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Elgin Marbles

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Should they be returned to Greece ?

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

No

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Should they be returned to Greece ?"

Not my big Onk ...... they can have the rest

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Send them back..

Or they frightened the floodgates will open ?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"Send them back..

Or they frightened the floodgates will open ?"

They’ll have to send all the other loot back if they start that!

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"Send them back..

Or they frightened the floodgates will open ?"

The Koh-i-noor Diamond.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The scandinavians might want the sutton hoo helmet. The Italians will want all that Roman stuff. The germans might want their royal family returned .

We'd be left with eff all, worried that someone might want Stonehenge flint arrow heads and deer antler digging tools.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yup. Return them to their rightful place.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Yes.

Also the beard of the sphinx. We have it in storage. It isn't even on display.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"The scandinavians might want the sutton hoo helmet. The Italians will want all that Roman stuff."

It was all left here. We didn't steal it from another country like we did the Elgin marbles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The scandinavians might want the sutton hoo helmet. The Italians will want all that Roman stuff.

It was all left here. We didn't steal it from another country like we did the Elgin marbles"

I suppose so, but I thought it was stolen from them by the Vikings when they conquered.

We would have to return a great deal to the world. Still it would be nice to have a loft apartment in the natural history museum.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

My opinion if things in museums have been purchased or donated properly then we should keep them. The Elgin Marbles were part of the Greek Parthenon and were stolen. They should be returned.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

We should refer to them as the Parthenon Marbles, rather than giving credit to Lord Elgin who pillaged them and damaged a building of huge historic significance

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

I thought Greece was under the rule of the Ottermans at this time, they gave Elgin permission to do what he did , he then removed the marbles and subsequently sold them to the British.

When countries fall under control of invading forces things like this were common , how far back in history do you go, where do you draw a line under it.

Over the centuries many countries riches have been plundered in this way.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I thought Greece was under the rule of the Ottermans at this time, they gave Elgin permission to do what he did , he then removed the marbles and subsequently sold them to the British.

When countries fall under control of invading forces things like this were common , how far back in history do you go, where do you draw a line under it.

Over the centuries many countries riches have been plundered in this way. "

Sure.. And while we are at it... Rewrite and sanitise the rest of history to make it acceptable to today's values...

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Give them back. It’s a reasonable thing to do.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"I thought Greece was under the rule of the Ottermans at this time, they gave Elgin permission to do what he did , he then removed the marbles and subsequently sold them to the British.

When countries fall under control of invading forces things like this were common , how far back in history do you go, where do you draw a line under it.

Over the centuries many countries riches have been plundered in this way.

Sure.. And while we are at it... Rewrite and sanitise the rest of history to make it acceptable to today's values... "

Returning artefacts to their rightful countries isn’t about rewriting history, it’s about returning items we stole over our history. There is nothing British about the British museum except it is full of these items, with the odd item that was found in this land.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax


"I thought Greece was under the rule of the Ottermans at this time, they gave Elgin permission to do what he did , he then removed the marbles and subsequently sold them to the British.

When countries fall under control of invading forces things like this were common , how far back in history do you go, where do you draw a line under it.

Over the centuries many countries riches have been plundered in this way.

Sure.. And while we are at it... Rewrite and sanitise the rest of history to make it acceptable to today's values... "

Stealing is fine by today's values then? Interesting..

Fair enough. Can I have yer ows please?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"I thought Greece was under the rule of the Ottermans at this time, they gave Elgin permission to do what he did , he then removed the marbles and subsequently sold them to the British.

When countries fall under control of invading forces things like this were common , how far back in history do you go, where do you draw a line under it.

Over the centuries many countries riches have been plundered in this way. "

Wiki disagrees - it’s says they had no record of an agreement - called a ‘firman’. Lord Elgin was a perp and nicked them.

We was robbed, guv!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I thought Greece was under the rule of the Ottermans at this time, they gave Elgin permission to do what he did , he then removed the marbles and subsequently sold them to the British.

When countries fall under control of invading forces things like this were common , how far back in history do you go, where do you draw a line under it.

Over the centuries many countries riches have been plundered in this way.

Sure.. And while we are at it... Rewrite and sanitise the rest of history to make it acceptable to today's values...

Stealing is fine by today's values then? Interesting..

Fair enough. Can I have yer ows please? "

Where did I say stealing is fine? Of course it's not... (not sure what ows is but if I ask nicely I'll share it with you). But we can use history... And artefacts from history to teach lessons of what went well and what we need to change in our Co temporary world. I think too often we warn this blood letting of the bad things from people's histories.. There is plenty of good stuff to celebrate too. "what have the Romans ever done for us?"

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"I thought Greece was under the rule of the Ottermans at this time, they gave Elgin permission to do what he did , he then removed the marbles and subsequently sold them to the British.

When countries fall under control of invading forces things like this were common , how far back in history do you go, where do you draw a line under it.

Over the centuries many countries riches have been plundered in this way.

Wiki disagrees - it’s says they had no record of an agreement - called a ‘firman’. Lord Elgin was a perp and nicked them.

We was robbed, guv! "

This is the whole conundrum isn’t it. Most of these situations are disputed vigorously by the interested parties.

Do we maintain the status quo and all the countries who have acquired artefacts and wealth over the centuries remain in possession of them, or , does everyone return everything that has been acquired to the place of its origin, which, in some cases, may be a matter of dispute between more parties.

Should Spain have to return all the gold it took from the Inca to the people who now populate that part of the world?

It’s not as black and white as we would like , for an easy yes/ no answer.

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"I thought Greece was under the rule of the Ottermans at this time, they gave Elgin permission to do what he did , he then removed the marbles and subsequently sold them to the British.

When countries fall under control of invading forces things like this were common , how far back in history do you go, where do you draw a line under it.

Over the centuries many countries riches have been plundered in this way.

Wiki disagrees - it’s says they had no record of an agreement - called a ‘firman’. Lord Elgin was a perp and nicked them.

We was robbed, guv!

This is the whole conundrum isn’t it. Most of these situations are disputed vigorously by the interested parties.

Do we maintain the status quo and all the countries who have acquired artefacts and wealth over the centuries remain in possession of them, or , does everyone return everything that has been acquired to the place of its origin, which, in some cases, may be a matter of dispute between more parties.

Should Spain have to return all the gold it took from the Inca to the people who now populate that part of the world?

It’s not as black and white as we would like , for an easy yes/ no answer. "

It's definitely a complex issue, but I wouldn't equate wealth with historically significant artefacts. Two separate issues.

I don't think you can make blanket statements, and each claim for the return of an artefact should be looked at individually. As for the marbles, the circumstance of their removal from Greece looks pretty dubious. I think there's a strong case for their return.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Yes. They aren't ours. It's not difficult in itself.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

MK

No. They can buy them if they really want

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"No. They can buy them if they really want"

How could you put a price on them ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s a difficult question for some artefacts as the country of origin may not have the facilities and trained professionals to maintain them in an appropriate manner, so returning the artefacts could put them at risk.

Elgin marbles is a bit different as Greece do have the facilities, but as has been said on this thread, it seems to depend on who you believe on whether Britain acquired them correctly or not.

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By *atietvsheffTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield

Is it just artifacts that should go back to their original country..... what about islands and countries being returned to their original inhabitants?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it just artifacts that should go back to their original country..... what about islands and countries being returned to their original inhabitants? "

How would that work? How far back would you go?

Should all Australians leave their country to the aborigines? Should most British leave this island and should the US be returned to the native Indians???

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By *atietvsheffTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Is it just artifacts that should go back to their original country..... what about islands and countries being returned to their original inhabitants?

How would that work? How far back would you go?

Should all Australians leave their country to the aborigines? Should most British leave this island and should the US be returned to the native Indians???"

Who knows it’s just a discussion, but I was thinking what about the Falklands?, Gibraltar, Northern Ireland...... just a discussion not any form of colonialism or sectarianism

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Is it just artifacts that should go back to their original country..... what about islands and countries being returned to their original inhabitants?

How would that work? How far back would you go?

Should all Australians leave their country to the aborigines? Should most British leave this island and should the US be returned to the native Indians???"

Why not... And uninvent the wheel and electricity while we are at it

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I saw them once ..

Not the most inspiring...

Send the buggers back

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"The scandinavians might want the sutton hoo helmet. The Italians will want all that Roman stuff. The germans might want their royal family returned .

We'd be left with eff all, worried that someone might want Stonehenge flint arrow heads and deer antler digging tools."

Royal family eh,?

So it's all not bad?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Lionel Lionel Lionel...

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

Greece should be thanking us for rescuing the marbles in the first place.

The Turkish were using the place as a fort for Gods sake and three quarters of the Parthenon had been destroyed in a wartime explosion by the time Elgin stepped in.

The sculptures that remained at the Parthenon after Elgin, if they weren’t taken for building materials were pretty much destroyed by local air pollution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who makes the decision ? if its Boris then no chance , they are probably the only marbles he has

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I give up

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham


"Greece should be thanking us for rescuing the marbles in the first place.

The Turkish were using the place as a fort for Gods sake and three quarters of the Parthenon had been destroyed in a wartime explosion by the time Elgin stepped in.

The sculptures that remained at the Parthenon after Elgin, if they weren’t taken for building materials were pretty much destroyed by local air pollution."

This

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay


"The scandinavians might want the sutton hoo helmet. The Italians will want all that Roman stuff. The germans might want their royal family returned .

We'd be left with eff all, worried that someone might want Stonehenge flint arrow heads and deer antler digging tools."

Blimey good point, send it back to Wales and after all that effort to bring it to Wiltshire DMAX will make a documentary about some heavy haulage truckers taking it back

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