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"I’ve taken my boots off. It’s nearly 6pm. " Hi Steve!! Nice to see you again! Yup, my boots are off too. If I have to go any further than the bins, I’m not going to be happy! | |||
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"Was some baroness, saw it on twitter earlier. Addressing the house earlier " I didn’t actually click the article, the headline was enough | |||
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"I’ve taken my boots off. It’s nearly 6pm. Hi Steve!! Nice to see you again! Yup, my boots are off too. If I have to go any further than the bins, I’m not going to be happy! " Ah good. You have to do the bins as well. | |||
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"I’ve just seen on book of face that a 6pm curfew for all men has been put forwards. Admittedly it’s reported by the gutter press and is at best click bait but the idea got me thinking... In society currently, the emphasis is on women to be vigilant, this would be a start to curb a serious issue. Thoughts? " Brilliant, no more getting out of bed a 3am for a call out | |||
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"Stupid idea. Teach people to be decent instead." That’s a key point I feel. I’m a member of a few Dads groups and my stance is very much; teach boys to be better so the girls don’t need to be taught fear | |||
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"Stupid idea. Teach people to be decent instead." This. It’s just punishing the many for the actions of a few. It will build nothing but resentment. | |||
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"I’ve taken my boots off. It’s nearly 6pm. Hi Steve!! Nice to see you again! Yup, my boots are off too. If I have to go any further than the bins, I’m not going to be happy! Ah good. You have to do the bins as well. " With all of the gender equality, it’s still the men’s job around here. Mainly because the bin is the same size as my partner...but still! | |||
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"I’ve taken my boots off. It’s nearly 6pm. Hi Steve!! Nice to see you again! Yup, my boots are off too. If I have to go any further than the bins, I’m not going to be happy! Ah good. You have to do the bins as well. With all of the gender equality, it’s still the men’s job around here. Mainly because the bin is the same size as my partner...but still!" If it makes you feel any better I do the bins around here. | |||
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"Stupid idea. Teach people to be decent instead. This. It’s just punishing the many for the actions of a few. It will build nothing but resentment." I’m not sure that I agree with the idea that it’s ‘the few’. The sheer number of women that are assaulted isn’t the work of just a few | |||
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"Stupid idea. Teach people to be decent instead. That’s a key point I feel. I’m a member of a few Dads groups and my stance is very much; teach boys to be better so the girls don’t need to be taught fear" educate your sons | |||
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"Not a chance. Stop the contributing behaviours. It seems a bit crass to also say more Police on the streets considering the alleged offender. " What are the contributing behaviours? | |||
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"I’ve taken my boots off. It’s nearly 6pm. Hi Steve!! Nice to see you again! Yup, my boots are off too. If I have to go any further than the bins, I’m not going to be happy! Ah good. You have to do the bins as well. With all of the gender equality, it’s still the men’s job around here. Mainly because the bin is the same size as my partner...but still! If it makes you feel any better I do the bins around here." If you want to do mine too, that would make me feel better | |||
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"Not a chance. Stop the contributing behaviours. It seems a bit crass to also say more Police on the streets considering the alleged offender. What are the contributing behaviours? " Entitlement. Lack of respect, misogyny. Lack of boundaries. I could go on for a while. | |||
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"I’ve just seen on book of face that a 6pm curfew for all men has been put forwards. Admittedly it’s reported by the gutter press and is at best click bait but the idea got me thinking... In society currently, the emphasis is on women to be vigilant, this would be a start to curb a serious issue. Thoughts? " Dear god, what a load of utter tosh! | |||
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"I'm in the bath with loads of bubbles. Feel like I'm halfway there. " if that were me I’d hear “don’t forget the bins” through the door | |||
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"Stupid idea. Teach people to be decent instead. That’s a key point I feel. I’m a member of a few Dads groups and my stance is very much; teach boys to be better so the girls don’t need to be taught fear" | |||
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"Wasn’t there an implied curfew for women when sutcliffe was at large?? Considering men are STILL attacking, r**ing and killing women, maybe a curfew ain’t such a bad idea after all.... " Posted too soon! Of course a curfew would be unreasonable, but the context is worth thinking about in terms of how women are expected to *protect* themselves when what we really should be focusing on are the male predators, because even when a women does everything ‘right’ it still isn’t enough. | |||
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"Utter nonsense. That’ll mean I can’t work as I do nights,can’t walk my dog with my son,my friend can’t run his men’s mental health meetings.i stay clear of fb so hopefully it’s somwone on a wind up OP " A baroness from the Green Party brought it up in a discussion. It’s not a serious suggestion. | |||
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"I’ve just seen on book of face that a 6pm curfew for all men has been put forwards. Admittedly it’s reported by the gutter press and is at best click bait but the idea got me thinking... In society currently, the emphasis is on women to be vigilant, this would be a start to curb a serious issue. Thoughts? " In the world we live in lately, I wouldn't be surprised. | |||
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"Utter nonsense. That’ll mean I can’t work as I do nights,can’t walk my dog with my son,my friend can’t run his men’s mental health meetings.i stay clear of fb so hopefully it’s somwone on a wind up OP " What about women who work nights, or walk their dog in the evening, or want to walk home from a friends house at 9pm. We are often told to avoid, or not do these things alone. I agree a curfew wouldn’t work btw, but it’s worth looking at things from our perspective. Just the mere suggestion of a curfew on men and you’re already listing why it would be inconvenient and a hinderance for you when women have had to think about these things all of their lives just so we don’t end up assaulted or dead. Maybe instead of a curfew men should do things in pairs so to make sure one or the other doesn’t do something illegal to a passing women | |||
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"Stupid idea. Teach people to be decent instead. That’s a key point I feel. I’m a member of a few Dads groups and my stance is very much; teach boys to be better so the girls don’t need to be taught fear" This! Grateful for it & I do the same with my own son. They wouldn't need a court, if I heard of him behaving like what is being spoken of today on many platforms. I've went through him before for behaviors he thought were just him being protective but are actually more like controlling. This particular one was his 'mate' snogging with his aunt & he took his anger out on my horsebox, told very harshly she's a grown woman & can make her own choices be them bad or not, she is another, like myself who has suffered at the hands of men and more than by one male. and not overly pestering his gf when they broke up last time, have to wait sometimes and let it be what it is. | |||
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"Kneejerk bandwagoning nonsense. This murder is obviously a horrific act by a murdering bastard but we aren't going to stop murdering bastards by having curfews and reclaim the streets campaigns. Of course it's awful if women don't feel safe on the streets but bad things can happen to men aswell. Let's not tar all men as violent predators because of the murderous act of this perpetrator." When the vast majority of all violent crimes are perpetrated by men, it seems to be a way of solving a number of issues | |||
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"Utter nonsense. That’ll mean I can’t work as I do nights,can’t walk my dog with my son,my friend can’t run his men’s mental health meetings.i stay clear of fb so hopefully it’s somwone on a wind up OP " No, it’s a real article | |||
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"Utter nonsense. That’ll mean I can’t work as I do nights,can’t walk my dog with my son,my friend can’t run his men’s mental health meetings.i stay clear of fb so hopefully it’s somwone on a wind up OP What about women who work nights, or walk their dog in the evening, or want to walk home from a friends house at 9pm. We are often told to avoid, or not do these things alone. I agree a curfew wouldn’t work btw, but it’s worth looking at things from our perspective. Just the mere suggestion of a curfew on men and you’re already listing why it would be inconvenient and a hinderance for you when women have had to think about these things all of their lives just so we don’t end up assaulted or dead. Maybe instead of a curfew men should do things in pairs so to make sure one or the other doesn’t do something illegal to a passing women " I only listed these things as that’s how a curfew wouldn’t be a good idea. I totally agree that a woman has it much worse. It’s a sad state of affairs that it comes to this.im a peaceful person and hate the fact that we have to even think about this.im not very good with words,I just hate the fact that this is how we have to think these days.i being my son up to respect women and always look out for them. | |||
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"Wasn’t there an implied curfew for women when sutcliffe was at large?? Considering men are STILL attacking, r**ing and killing women, maybe a curfew ain’t such a bad idea after all.... Posted too soon! Of course a curfew would be unreasonable, but the context is worth thinking about in terms of how women are expected to *protect* themselves when what we really should be focusing on are the male predators, because even when a women does everything ‘right’ it still isn’t enough. " That’s very true | |||
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"I don't think curfews are the answer... How does the poster go: 1) If someone is d*unk, don't r*pe them. 2) When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone. 3) Use the Buddy System! If it is difficult for you to stop yourself from r*ping someone, ask a trusted friend to accompany you at all times. 4) Carry a r*pe whistle. If you find that you are about to r*pe someone, blow the whistle until someone comes to stop you. 5) Don't forget: honesty is the best policy. When asking someone out, don't pretend that you are interested in them as a person. Tell them straight up that you expect to be r*ping them later. If you don't communicate your intentions, they may take it as a sign that you do not plan to r*pe them." Haven't seen that poster. I'd think decent men would be shocked by it. The type of men it's aimed at wouldn't care. | |||
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"I’ve just seen on book of face that a 6pm curfew for all men has been put forwards. Admittedly it’s reported by the gutter press and is at best click bait but the idea got me thinking... In society currently, the emphasis is on women to be vigilant, this would be a start to curb a serious issue. Thoughts? " I fear there will always be vile, subhuman rogue elements in any society | |||
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"Kneejerk bandwagoning nonsense. This murder is obviously a horrific act by a murdering bastard but we aren't going to stop murdering bastards by having curfews and reclaim the streets campaigns. Of course it's awful if women don't feel safe on the streets but bad things can happen to men aswell. Let's not tar all men as violent predators because of the murderous act of this perpetrator. When the vast majority of all violent crimes are perpetrated by men, it seems to be a way of solving a number of issues" Is this the way we really want society to be though, individuals locked up of an evening? It is not a society I would wish to live in or for my son to grow up in just to control a minority of one group | |||
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"Stupid idea. Teach people to be decent instead. That’s a key point I feel. I’m a member of a few Dads groups and my stance is very much; teach boys to be better so the girls don’t need to be taught fear" This 100%!!! | |||
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"Kneejerk bandwagoning nonsense. This murder is obviously a horrific act by a murdering bastard but we aren't going to stop murdering bastards by having curfews and reclaim the streets campaigns. Of course it's awful if women don't feel safe on the streets but bad things can happen to men aswell. Let's not tar all men as violent predators because of the murderous act of this perpetrator. When the vast majority of all violent crimes are perpetrated by men, it seems to be a way of solving a number of issues" No disrespect but don't be ridiculous. You actually think having the male species under curfew from 6pm is a reasonable option? Good god. | |||
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"Utter nonsense. That’ll mean I can’t work as I do nights,can’t walk my dog with my son,my friend can’t run his men’s mental health meetings.i stay clear of fb so hopefully it’s somwone on a wind up OP What about women who work nights, or walk their dog in the evening, or want to walk home from a friends house at 9pm. We are often told to avoid, or not do these things alone. I agree a curfew wouldn’t work btw, but it’s worth looking at things from our perspective. Just the mere suggestion of a curfew on men and you’re already listing why it would be inconvenient and a hinderance for you when women have had to think about these things all of their lives just so we don’t end up assaulted or dead. Maybe instead of a curfew men should do things in pairs so to make sure one or the other doesn’t do something illegal to a passing women " Have you not seen, I spit or your grave or the Jodie foster classic the Accused. | |||
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"It may not be a curfew for women but they are advised not to go out alone or at certain times or in particular areas. Maybe they could make the same recommendation to men, particularly because men are the reason women are advised to stay in. Just saying ... " (copied from a different thread but the point is the same) We can take personal responsibility for actions that put us in harm's way. Not that anyone deserves anything to be done to them going about there daily business or whatever. But growing up in an around Bedford there was a fair bit of Gang related violence. I was told by a gang member I was at college with at the time that I would be a target, because of my size. Showing the others how hard they are by taking on someone bigger than them. So knowing that information I wouldn't go anywhere near the areas that i know Gangs operated. I also wouldnt go into certain parts of Bedford at night because of my skin colour also making me a target. Until one night I did when d*unk to get something and I was mugged. That was my fault for going somewhere i knew was possibly dangerous while alone and intoxicated. What happened should never of happened to that girl or anyone else. But we are responsible for our own safety, even in a relatively safe country like this | |||
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"It may not be a curfew for women but they are advised not to go out alone or at certain times or in particular areas. Maybe they could make the same recommendation to men, particularly because men are the reason women are advised to stay in. Just saying ... " It unfortunately is not just men committing violent crime. In 2019 the of number proportional arrests for violence against a person was 46% for women and 39% for men. Sexual offences was female 1% and men 5%. The only categories where females weren’t arrested more was for drug possession (F 8% / M 11%), possession of a weapon (F 2% / M 4%) and robbery (F 2% / M 3%). All other categories were either equal or women were arrested proportionally more. | |||
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"I haven't read through the contributions so forgive repetition. It's an interesting provocation, turning around the message to women to apply personal curfews, along with dressing modestly. I don't believe it's meant to be a serious suggestion of a curfew but a way of getting everyone to think about the ongoing narrative that 'she put herself in danger because...' It's proving harder to sell that line with the Sarah Everard case. Younger men are more likely to die on our streets so a curfew might help reduce those numbers, yet never suggested for that reason. " Probably because the same people that think this is a good idea couldn't care less about mens lives in reality Same type of people that would laugh at male suicide rates or working class boys failing at school. The same type people that would happily drink out of a mug with a "Male Tears" logo on it They are activists for their gender not for humanity as a whole | |||
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"It may not be a curfew for women but they are advised not to go out alone or at certain times or in particular areas. Maybe they could make the same recommendation to men, particularly because men are the reason women are advised to stay in. Just saying ... It unfortunately is not just men committing violent crime. In 2019 the of number proportional arrests for violence against a person was 46% for women and 39% for men. Sexual offences was female 1% and men 5%. The only categories where females weren’t arrested more was for drug possession (F 8% / M 11%), possession of a weapon (F 2% / M 4%) and robbery (F 2% / M 3%). All other categories were either equal or women were arrested proportionally more. " It was a tongue in cheek comment really. I’m sure that there are many crimes committed by women. We’re not all angels. Nonetheless, it is women who are advised against doing many things. | |||
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"Wasn’t there an implied curfew for women when sutcliffe was at large?? Considering men are STILL attacking, r**ing and killing women, maybe a curfew ain’t such a bad idea after all.... " thats like saying considering people are still attacking r*** snd murdering maybe we should put in a law against murder, attacks and r*** - oh wait those exist and are ignored by murderers attackers and rpists why would they pay any more attention to a curfew the only thing that is going to make a difference is a culture and education shift - teach men while they are still boys snd continually as they grow up that women are not there to be their property or their victims , rather than teaching women to protect themselves from men | |||
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"It may not be a curfew for women but they are advised not to go out alone or at certain times or in particular areas. Maybe they could make the same recommendation to men, particularly because men are the reason women are advised to stay in. Just saying ... It unfortunately is not just men committing violent crime. In 2019 the of number proportional arrests for violence against a person was 46% for women and 39% for men. Sexual offences was female 1% and men 5%. The only categories where females weren’t arrested more was for drug possession (F 8% / M 11%), possession of a weapon (F 2% / M 4%) and robbery (F 2% / M 3%). All other categories were either equal or women were arrested proportionally more. It was a tongue in cheek comment really. I’m sure that there are many crimes committed by women. We’re not all angels. Nonetheless, it is women who are advised against doing many things. " Totally agree. I've been very surprised by some of the attitudes and comments I have come across on threads like this today. | |||
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"It may not be a curfew for women but they are advised not to go out alone or at certain times or in particular areas. Maybe they could make the same recommendation to men, particularly because men are the reason women are advised to stay in. Just saying ... It unfortunately is not just men committing violent crime. In 2019 the of number proportional arrests for violence against a person was 46% for women and 39% for men. Sexual offences was female 1% and men 5%. The only categories where females weren’t arrested more was for drug possession (F 8% / M 11%), possession of a weapon (F 2% / M 4%) and robbery (F 2% / M 3%). All other categories were either equal or women were arrested proportionally more. " Those stats sound pretty surprising | |||
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"It’s almost always psycho men attacking women. I don’t know why. And that bloody police officer too " That's just it Steve, it isn't psycho men. It's ordinary every day men who think it's necessary to keep a woman in check ..... they far outweigh attacks by strangers | |||
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"It’s almost always psycho men attacking women. I don’t know why. And that bloody police officer too That's just it Steve, it isn't psycho men. It's ordinary every day men who think it's necessary to keep a woman in check ..... they far outweigh attacks by strangers" I know most domestic abuse etc is by men that women know but to follow through on such an act is psychopathic. I think. | |||
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"The whole idea of a 6pm curfew to stop women feeling unsafe is bewildering. Bad things don't/won't happen before 6pm? " I suppose it’s to do with light evenings and dark evenings or something. | |||
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"It wasn't a feasible suggestion but it is thought provoking. . " definitely a discussion worth having too | |||
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"It may not be a curfew for women but they are advised not to go out alone or at certain times or in particular areas. Maybe they could make the same recommendation to men, particularly because men are the reason women are advised to stay in. Just saying ... It unfortunately is not just men committing violent crime. In 2019 the of number proportional arrests for violence against a person was 46% for women and 39% for men. Sexual offences was female 1% and men 5%. The only categories where females weren’t arrested more was for drug possession (F 8% / M 11%), possession of a weapon (F 2% / M 4%) and robbery (F 2% / M 3%). All other categories were either equal or women were arrested proportionally more. It was a tongue in cheek comment really. I’m sure that there are many crimes committed by women. We’re not all angels. Nonetheless, it is women who are advised against doing many things. " No we are not angels, neither gender is. Maybe it is how we are advised those things that fear is instilled? Yes it’s good to know what could happen and how you could stop some of those things, have a healthy awareness of your surroundings. Unfortunately if someone really wants to attack you, no matter what you do they will, as it’s their mindset. | |||
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"It wasn't a feasible suggestion but it is thought provoking. . definitely a discussion worth having too " Don't think I have the energy this eve. Funny few days - news wise etc...... | |||
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"It wasn't a feasible suggestion but it is thought provoking. . definitely a discussion worth having too Don't think I have the energy this eve. Funny few days - news wise etc...... " Have a look at my cock, that will make you laugh. | |||
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"The whole idea of a 6pm curfew to stop women feeling unsafe is bewildering. Bad things don't/won't happen before 6pm? I suppose it’s to do with light evenings and dark evenings or something. " or light mornings and dark mornings | |||
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"It wasn't a feasible suggestion but it is thought provoking. . definitely a discussion worth having too Don't think I have the energy this eve. Funny few days - news wise etc...... Have a look at my cock, that will make you laugh. " Thanks Steve...... Going dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn | |||
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"Nope..... Made my vag wince.... it's green n spikey." I was told pineapple makes a mans cum taste nice! | |||
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"Nope..... Made my vag wince.... it's green n spikey. I was told pineapple makes a mans cum taste nice! " Depends how far you shove it up his pee hole. | |||
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"There will definitely be more crossdressers, transvestites and transsexual people about if this does happen. " Dont even need to do that tbh. Just say your Gender queer or something and say you shouldn't be assuming my Gender anyway. As I said I'm sure that would make some peoples head explode like scanners while they try and process that | |||
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"I’ve taken my boots off. It’s nearly 6pm. Hi Steve!! Nice to see you again! Yup, my boots are off too. If I have to go any further than the bins, I’m not going to be happy! Ah good. You have to do the bins as well. With all of the gender equality, it’s still the men’s job around here. Mainly because the bin is the same size as my partner...but still!" I've done the bin ... In my slippers | |||
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"Utter nonsense. That’ll mean I can’t work as I do nights,can’t walk my dog with my son,my friend can’t run his men’s mental health meetings.i stay clear of fb so hopefully it’s somwone on a wind up OP What about women who work nights, or walk their dog in the evening, or want to walk home from a friends house at 9pm. We are often told to avoid, or not do these things alone. I agree a curfew wouldn’t work btw, but it’s worth looking at things from our perspective. Just the mere suggestion of a curfew on men and you’re already listing why it would be inconvenient and a hinderance for you when women have had to think about these things all of their lives just so we don’t end up assaulted or dead. Maybe instead of a curfew men should do things in pairs so to make sure one or the other doesn’t do something illegal to a passing women " Finally someone who gets the actual point . Of course it would never be implemented but many here are proving the point so well. Its ludicrous to suggest imposing a curfew on men but very few batt an eyelid when people say women shouldn't go out alone after dark if they don't want to be r*ped. | |||
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"Utter nonsense. That’ll mean I can’t work as I do nights,can’t walk my dog with my son,my friend can’t run his men’s mental health meetings.i stay clear of fb so hopefully it’s somwone on a wind up OP What about women who work nights, or walk their dog in the evening, or want to walk home from a friends house at 9pm. We are often told to avoid, or not do these things alone. I agree a curfew wouldn’t work btw, but it’s worth looking at things from our perspective. Just the mere suggestion of a curfew on men and you’re already listing why it would be inconvenient and a hinderance for you when women have had to think about these things all of their lives just so we don’t end up assaulted or dead. Maybe instead of a curfew men should do things in pairs so to make sure one or the other doesn’t do something illegal to a passing women Finally someone who gets the actual point . Of course it would never be implemented but many here are proving the point so well. Its ludicrous to suggest imposing a curfew on men but very few batt an eyelid when people say women shouldn't go out alone after dark if they don't want to be r*ped." Men should also not to wear hoodies, anything with a camo pattern, stompy boots or similar because such items of clothing can render them threatening | |||
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"Another crass comment from an unelected Peer who clearly has lost touch with reality....or maybe is just looking to raise her profile. Its about as logical as banning police from going outdoors because one has been arrested for committing allegedly a horrendous crime....." And yet we tell women not to go out at night, to watch what they do or wear because of the actions of others. Rather than victim blaming and telling women to be afraid, when are we going to actually address the problem? | |||
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"Utter nonsense. That’ll mean I can’t work as I do nights,can’t walk my dog with my son,my friend can’t run his men’s mental health meetings.i stay clear of fb so hopefully it’s somwone on a wind up OP What about women who work nights, or walk their dog in the evening, or want to walk home from a friends house at 9pm. We are often told to avoid, or not do these things alone. I agree a curfew wouldn’t work btw, but it’s worth looking at things from our perspective. Just the mere suggestion of a curfew on men and you’re already listing why it would be inconvenient and a hinderance for you when women have had to think about these things all of their lives just so we don’t end up assaulted or dead. Maybe instead of a curfew men should do things in pairs so to make sure one or the other doesn’t do something illegal to a passing women Finally someone who gets the actual point . Of course it would never be implemented but many here are proving the point so well. Its ludicrous to suggest imposing a curfew on men but very few batt an eyelid when people say women shouldn't go out alone after dark if they don't want to be r*ped." | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with." But if it was the right would you say if is a good idea ? And as you are talking about equality...I haven't seen many men being r***** and killed by women | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with. But if it was the right would you say if is a good idea ? And as you are talking about equality...I haven't seen many men being r***** and killed by women" It wouldnt be good with them either, but ideas against men usually comes from the radical left tho. | |||
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"Utter nonsense. That’ll mean I can’t work as I do nights,can’t walk my dog with my son,my friend can’t run his men’s mental health meetings.i stay clear of fb so hopefully it’s somwone on a wind up OP What about women who work nights, or walk their dog in the evening, or want to walk home from a friends house at 9pm. We are often told to avoid, or not do these things alone. I agree a curfew wouldn’t work btw, but it’s worth looking at things from our perspective. Just the mere suggestion of a curfew on men and you’re already listing why it would be inconvenient and a hinderance for you when women have had to think about these things all of their lives just so we don’t end up assaulted or dead. Maybe instead of a curfew men should do things in pairs so to make sure one or the other doesn’t do something illegal to a passing women Finally someone who gets the actual point . Of course it would never be implemented but many here are proving the point so well. Its ludicrous to suggest imposing a curfew on men but very few batt an eyelid when people say women shouldn't go out alone after dark if they don't want to be r*ped." | |||
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"Another crass comment from an unelected Peer who clearly has lost touch with reality....or maybe is just looking to raise her profile. Its about as logical as banning police from going outdoors because one has been arrested for committing allegedly a horrendous crime....." I don’t believe for a second that anyone believes in a curfew for men but it has started a debate hasn’t it? Men being attacked and murdered for sexual reasons will not happen to men in the same way or numbers as it happens to women. It’s almost as though we have come to accept it. News reports stating “she was walking alone” well so was the perpetrator but their actions aren’t questioned. The narrative has to change. | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with." And your reply sounds like something like the "right" would say. So what have we learnt and discussed? | |||
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"Absolutely ridiculous. Especially when a man can identify as a woman. It seems the only way people can think of resolving problems is to divide people by race, gender or religion. Are the streets going to be policed by women only forces? Are women not capable of violence to men or each other? Walk down a high street on a Saturday night after the pubs shut and see the fights. I totally sympathise with anyone who has ever encountered violence or felt threatened, but locking huge groups of society away is not the answer. " A comment I finally agree with | |||
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"Obviously it is impractical. But it does highlight what we as women are brought up to do. How do we change it? I don't think it's all about teaching boys how to be respectful. It's also about teaching girls what is and isn't acceptable. And some of this is from parents. There shouldn't be a gender divide in small children. But yet boys are encouraged to wrestle but if I girl joins in oh don't hurt the girl. At the age of 5 I'd put money on my niece taking on any boy on eqyally. We've let her rough and tumble with my two older boys. They now see her as an equal when play fighting. It's a complex thing but I can't help but feel if boys at a young age saw girls as equal. Then they will carry that on in further on in life and see us women less as targets. " | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with." And what is the issue with the ‘left’? Let’s leave politics out of it and actually engage with the discussion, rather than dismissing it because you dislike the politics. Funnily enough, r*pe isn’t political | |||
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"Another crass comment from an unelected Peer who clearly has lost touch with reality....or maybe is just looking to raise her profile. Its about as logical as banning police from going outdoors because one has been arrested for committing allegedly a horrendous crime..... I don’t believe for a second that anyone believes in a curfew for men but it has started a debate hasn’t it? Men being attacked and murdered for sexual reasons will not happen to men in the same way or numbers as it happens to women. It’s almost as though we have come to accept it. News reports stating “she was walking alone” well so was the perpetrator but their actions aren’t questioned. The narrative has to change. " Exactly. That was my intent of posting this | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with." Shag Kin'ell bud I thought you were above a statement like that | |||
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"Is it time to arm all women.. So legally they can carry guns after dark.." Absolutely, in a nice little matching clutch bag | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with." Fucking hell..... yeah coz the right condone women being frightened to walk anywhere alone. What a stupid comment | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with. And what is the issue with the ‘left’? Let’s leave politics out of it and actually engage with the discussion, rather than dismissing it because you dislike the politics. Funnily enough, r*pe isn’t political " But the suggested resolutions do tend to be political, which is why often things don’t change. | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with. And what is the issue with the ‘left’? Let’s leave politics out of it and actually engage with the discussion, rather than dismissing it because you dislike the politics. Funnily enough, r*pe isn’t political But the suggested resolutions do tend to be political, which is why often things don’t change. " A male curfew is just fucking stupid anyway .... don’t think it was a serious suggestion was it surely? | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with. And what is the issue with the ‘left’? Let’s leave politics out of it and actually engage with the discussion, rather than dismissing it because you dislike the politics. Funnily enough, r*pe isn’t political But the suggested resolutions do tend to be political, which is why often things don’t change. A male curfew is just fucking stupid anyway .... don’t think it was a serious suggestion was it surely? " I think she wanted to get a debate going. | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with. And what is the issue with the ‘left’? Let’s leave politics out of it and actually engage with the discussion, rather than dismissing it because you dislike the politics. Funnily enough, r*pe isn’t political But the suggested resolutions do tend to be political, which is why often things don’t change. " Politicisation of social issues is a real problem. It’s not about left, right or centrist, it’s about people | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with. And what is the issue with the ‘left’? Let’s leave politics out of it and actually engage with the discussion, rather than dismissing it because you dislike the politics. Funnily enough, r*pe isn’t political But the suggested resolutions do tend to be political, which is why often things don’t change. A male curfew is just fucking stupid anyway .... don’t think it was a serious suggestion was it surely? " Yes, they do tend to be political. I also dont think it was a serious idea, but you never know. | |||
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"Its not a good idea as it is about equality, it sounds something like the "left" have come up with. And what is the issue with the ‘left’? Let’s leave politics out of it and actually engage with the discussion, rather than dismissing it because you dislike the politics. Funnily enough, r*pe isn’t political But the suggested resolutions do tend to be political, which is why often things don’t change. A male curfew is just fucking stupid anyway .... don’t think it was a serious suggestion was it surely? Yes, they do tend to be political. I also dont think it was a serious idea, but you never know." I think that if you’re concerned about a loss of personal freedoms, then you need to have a think about the reality of the situation for people right now. You don’t want to not be able to do something, yet it’s acceptable that we tell women what to wear or what time to go out in order to mitigate the actions of others... | |||
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"Men should also not to wear hoodies, anything with a camo pattern, stompy boots or similar because such items of clothing can render them threatening" I was with you right up until you mentioned the boots. Everyone knows it's the people who wear trainers when they're not actively engaged in sport who are the dangers. Of course, the *real* wrong 'uns are the ones in dress shoes and posh suits. More red flags than a May Day parade. | |||
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"Men should also not to wear hoodies, anything with a camo pattern, stompy boots or similar because such items of clothing can render them threatening I was with you right up until you mentioned the boots. Everyone knows it's the people who wear trainers when they're not actively engaged in sport who are the dangers. Of course, the *real* wrong 'uns are the ones in dress shoes and posh suits. More red flags than a May Day parade. " I was deliberately stereotyping. I wear stompy boots (Docs), not that I can stomp in them! I'm female, btw. | |||
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"How are men supposed to commit suicide at night by throwing themselves off bridges and in front of trains because there’s little to no help for men’s mental health?" Nothing like a bit of totally pointless "whatabouttery" to expose a mindset. | |||
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"How are men supposed to commit suicide at night by throwing themselves off bridges and in front of trains because there’s little to no help for men’s mental health? Nothing like a bit of totally pointless "whatabouttery" to expose a mindset. " | |||
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"How are men supposed to commit suicide at night by throwing themselves off bridges and in front of trains because there’s little to no help for men’s mental health?" There's more help than people realise. Sure waiting times for certain therapy are growing and growing. But it's out there. Problem is getting men to speak out due to people thinking feeling are a female thing and not a human thing.. | |||
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"To the men who say it's mental that someone suggested this. It was a conversation starter yes. But imagine in your home town there was a gang going around in a car looking for and assaulting lone males. You're telling me that wouldn't change how you went about your business? " Well they used to.. It was called gay bashing.. Or P bashing.. Hope those days are over.. | |||
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"How are men supposed to commit suicide at night by throwing themselves off bridges and in front of trains because there’s little to no help for men’s mental health? Oh Christ it’s ‘all lives matter’ all over again. " Indeed, it always crops up when someone feels they fit the targeted audience. They might as well say: "This is unfair for me as I won't be able to do what I want anymore" | |||
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"No. There needs to be better education of boys, both by their fathers and by society. Caging them after 6 would just move crimes earlier and would needlessly punish all the good men who don't cause any problems." What would be better in your mind? | |||
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"I’ve just seen on book of face that a 6pm curfew for all men has been put forwards. Admittedly it’s reported by the gutter press and is at best click bait but the idea got me thinking... In society currently, the emphasis is on women to be vigilant, this would be a start to curb a serious issue. Thoughts? " Just nonsense | |||
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"Interestingly the mp that brought it up also wants people to be allowed to self identify gender .... I see a loop hole " i think (or at least hope) they were not serious about the curfew they just want to have the debate that suggesting it brings up | |||
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"No. There needs to be better education of boys, both by their fathers and by society. Caging them after 6 would just move crimes earlier and would needlessly punish all the good men who don't cause any problems. What would be better in your mind?" I think a lot more education can done in schools about sexual assault, but honestly most men learn how to treat women by watching how their fathers treat their mothers during early childhood. So maybe better support for families struggling with domestic violence so that young children don't have to witness it. Just my opinion of course. I'm sure there's no one perfect solution, it will require a lot of things I'm sure. | |||
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"I think a lot more education can done in schools about sexual assault, but honestly most men learn how to treat women by watching how their fathers treat their mothers during early childhood. So maybe better support for families struggling with domestic violence so that young children don't have to witness it. Just my opinion of course. I'm sure there's no one perfect solution, it will require a lot of things I'm sure." A lot of boys grow up with weak of absent fathers. How do you think they will be affected by this education? | |||
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"Death penalty for murderers.. I'd suggest quite a few will think twice.. Obvs works wonders in America " Well to be fair...if I had family and some lowlife broke in...murdered my relatives .. I would not be content with the electric chair or injections.. I would pass a law so they were handed over for seven days and they would die the death of a thousand tickles.. | |||
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"Kneejerk bandwagoning nonsense. This murder is obviously a horrific act by a murdering bastard but we aren't going to stop murdering bastards by having curfews and reclaim the streets campaigns. Of course it's awful if women don't feel safe on the streets but bad things can happen to men aswell. Let's not tar all men as violent predators because of the murderous act of this perpetrator. When the vast majority of all violent crimes are perpetrated by men, it seems to be a way of solving a number of issues" But curfews won't help women suffering domestic abuse.... | |||
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"Kneejerk bandwagoning nonsense. This murder is obviously a horrific act by a murdering bastard but we aren't going to stop murdering bastards by having curfews and reclaim the streets campaigns. Of course it's awful if women don't feel safe on the streets but bad things can happen to men aswell. Let's not tar all men as violent predators because of the murderous act of this perpetrator. When the vast majority of all violent crimes are perpetrated by men, it seems to be a way of solving a number of issues But curfews won't help women suffering domestic abuse.... It's not about domestic abuse..it's about women feeling safe whilst walking on the streets Actually the opening post didn't specify that, violence against women whether it is in the house or outside of it is an issue Domestic violence has increased since Covid restrictions have been in place, so yes I believe it is an issue Yes.. men against women and women against men.. It's been happening for centuries... Blame Covid if you like " I never blamed Covid, just said it was an issue and on the increase | |||
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"Kneejerk bandwagoning nonsense. This murder is obviously a horrific act by a murdering bastard but we aren't going to stop murdering bastards by having curfews and reclaim the streets campaigns. Of course it's awful if women don't feel safe on the streets but bad things can happen to men aswell. Let's not tar all men as violent predators because of the murderous act of this perpetrator. When the vast majority of all violent crimes are perpetrated by men, it seems to be a way of solving a number of issues But curfews won't help women suffering domestic abuse.... It's not about domestic abuse..it's about women feeling safe whilst walking on the streets Actually the opening post didn't specify that, violence against women whether it is in the house or outside of it is an issue Domestic violence has increased since Covid restrictions have been in place, so yes I believe it is an issue Yes.. men against women and women against men.. It's been happening for centuries... Blame Covid if you like I never blamed Covid, just said it was an issue and on the increase How do you know this ? It's been in the news thomas If I had it through the news I wouldn't give it a 2nd thought This was information released by the government" Must be true then.. | |||
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"Domestic violence has increased since Covid restrictions have been in place, so yes I believe it is an issue Yes.. men against women and women against men.. It's been happening for centuries... Blame Covid if you like I never blamed Covid, just said it was an issue and on the increase How do you know this ? Information released by the government through the Office of National statistics. Information was sent out to me through my job." https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/domesticabuseduringthecoronaviruscovid19pandemicenglandandwales/november2020 For anyone interested | |||
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"Don't need to.. have people got more confidence to report it..? Is it easier to report now then ten years ago? It's a stat. No more no less " What has that got to do with it? It still doesn’t excuse violence people are receiving within their homes. | |||
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"Yes.. against women and against men" and children, no one is immune to the effects of it, so why do you appear so dismissive of it and the fact it has risen over the last year ? | |||
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"Yes.. against women and against men and children, no one is immune to the effects of it, so why do you appear so dismissive of it and the fact it has risen over the last year ? " Because violence only matters when it happens outside the home apparently | |||
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"Yes.. against women and against men and children, no one is immune to the effects of it, so why do you appear so dismissive of it and the fact it has risen over the last year ? " Can you prove it has risen | |||
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"I am not excusing the behaviour just challenging the stats " Challenge it to the people who released it then. I am sure you can email the Office of National Statistics and tell them why their stats are wrong | |||
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"Yes.. against women and against men and children, no one is immune to the effects of it, so why do you appear so dismissive of it and the fact it has risen over the last year ? " i took it as a veiled attempt at not all men and also some women | |||
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"Yes.. against women and against men and children, no one is immune to the effects of it, so why do you appear so dismissive of it and the fact it has risen over the last year ? Can you prove it has risen " Ne personally no as I haven’t suffered it, but ONS the CPS, to name name two say it has. Why don’t you research yourself and answer that question, it’s out there for you to find | |||
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