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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thread got to big on my end carry on some of you are passionate I respect that.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It turned into a lot of ‘holier than thou’ rhetoric in the end. It’s a shame really. Interesting topic

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion."

That is a automatic weapon. Do you know the difference? You do realize a shotgun is 10 times more devestating at the average range of a school shooter ?

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"It turned into a lot of ‘holier than thou’ rhetoric in the end. It’s a shame really. Interesting topic "

Because I don't agree with guns being legal it's holier than thou?

I'm fine with that, honestly I am happy to sit and discuss guns all day long but nothing anyone can say will change my opinion.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

That is a automatic weapon. Do you know the difference? You do realize a shotgun is 10 times more devestating at the average range of a school shooter ?

Doesn't make a single difference, the end result is the same.. innocent people dead!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It turned into a lot of ‘holier than thou’ rhetoric in the end. It’s a shame really. Interesting topic

Because I don't agree with guns being legal it's holier than thou?

I'm fine with that, honestly I am happy to sit and discuss guns all day long but nothing anyone can say will change my opinion.

It wasn’t aimed specifically at you, the thread in general. Lots of poorly informed people proudly beating their chests to let us all know what good people they are. I found it tiresome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion."

Are you talking about Columbine?

Again they where illegal firearms including the Tek 9 which you maybe thinking of

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!"

I am just trying to educate my point of things. There is alot of misconception. I do not blame people that have no understanding of different weapons. But I am statng facts about them. We are a gun culture I just trying to give people a clearer picture that the majority are not gun toting school shooters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thread got to big on my end carry on some of you are passionate I respect that."

These topics will always be a heated debate. So is religion and politics. It's what pretty much divides the U.S. and any other country for that matter.

You can't start a heavy topic and not anticipate people to get emotional.

We all have our own believes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Are you talking about Columbine?

Again they where illegal firearms including the Tek 9 which you maybe thinking of

Nevermind the Tek 9 was semi auto

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

That is a automatic weapon. Do you know the difference? You do realize a shotgun is 10 times more devestating at the average range of a school shooter ?

No I'm not a gun nerd.

All I know that having a weapon that turn a school into a war zone ismt a great idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It turned into a lot of ‘holier than thou’ rhetoric in the end. It’s a shame really. Interesting topic "

It always does, mostly from people who have no idea what they are talking about.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Are you talking about Columbine?

Again they where illegal firearms including the Tek 9 which you maybe thinking of

It wasnt colimbine I think it was about 2 years ago

I just remember the police fella saying it was utterly horrific.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aren’t there laws about ammunition types available to the public in the states OP? I didn’t think you could get hollow points without a license now or have I misremembered that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion."

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!

The minority is bad enough.

Guns are still a relatively minor issue here,compared to the states anyway.

Its more a gang/drug issue here.

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

Its not so much a distaste for guns. Its that we do not glorify and politicise them in the same manner that Americans do.

I think we recognise their legitimate uses in sporting and game hunting - the hunting I find distasteful - but better a clean kill than torn apart by dogs which is fucking barbaric.

I have friends who shoot and fish. I have friends in the TA. They wouldn't dream of politicising the matter, and regard the guns they use in the same manner as they would regard a chainsaw.

That is to say - extremely dangerous and not appropriate for a trip to Tesco.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Are you talking about Columbine?

Again they where illegal firearms including the Tek 9 which you maybe thinking of

It wasnt colimbine I think it was about 2 years ago

I just remember the police fella saying it was utterly horrific."

Sandy Hook probably?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aren’t there laws about ammunition types available to the public in the states OP? I didn’t think you could get hollow points without a license now or have I misremembered that? "

I'm pretty sure you can generally. you might be thinking of New York. I seem to remember something about "cop killer" round which are HP

I know you can get everything upto like Raufoss, AP incendiary ect

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks "

Sorry what is bollocks?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Aren’t there laws about ammunition types available to the public in the states OP? I didn’t think you could get hollow points without a license now or have I misremembered that? "

Depends on state laws.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Are you talking about Columbine?

Again they where illegal firearms including the Tek 9 which you maybe thinking of

It wasnt colimbine I think it was about 2 years ago

I just remember the police fella saying it was utterly horrific.

Sandy Hook probably?"

Sandy Hook was a Bushmaster rifle which is pretty much an AR15 platform which is semi automatic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aren’t there laws about ammunition types available to the public in the states OP? I didn’t think you could get hollow points without a license now or have I misremembered that?

Depends on state laws."

I take it California is fairly stringent with its regulations?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!

The minority is bad enough.

Guns are still a relatively minor issue here,compared to the states anyway.

Its more a gang/drug issue here."

Unlawfully held guns are a major issue here. As was touched on in the other thread, you don't hear about it so much because it's usually gang on gang, until some poor member of the public gets caught in the crossfire. The .gov/police problem is that they are pretty impotent at doing anything about it.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Are you talking about Columbine?

Again they where illegal firearms including the Tek 9 which you maybe thinking of

It wasnt colimbine I think it was about 2 years ago

I just remember the police fella saying it was utterly horrific.

Sandy Hook probably?

Sandy Hook was a Bushmaster rifle which is pretty much an AR15 platform which is semi automatic "

Right..so the story is bollocks because it was a semi automatic and not a automatic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks

Sorry what is bollocks?"

The use of a particular automatic rifle. No mass shootings have used an automatic rifle

The last crime involving one was in 1997 like I have said

Do you know the difference between full auto, semi and select fire?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks

Sorry what is bollocks?

The use of a particular automatic rifle. No mass shootings have used an automatic rifle

The last crime involving one was in 1997 like I have said

Do you know the difference between full auto, semi and select fire? "

No and tbh I couldnt give a toss

A weapon was used to devestating affect so your accusation of being billocks is quite ironic.

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By *elethWoman
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!

I'd say that the majority of us are aware of that. The very fact that you have a gun culture though, means that you have school shooters. For me the statistics speak for themselves, and I'm incredibly grateful to be living in a relatively gun free place and have no need or desire to be educated about guns.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!

Spot on

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few."

Oh yes they can it happens all the time in the UK

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few."

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks

Sorry what is bollocks?

The use of a particular automatic rifle. No mass shootings have used an automatic rifle

The last crime involving one was in 1997 like I have said

Do you know the difference between full auto, semi and select fire?

No and tbh I couldnt give a toss

A weapon was used to devestating affect so your accusation of being billocks is quite ironic."

So you are speaking for a posistion of ignorance then therfore your input and opinion is functionally meaningless

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?"

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks

Sorry what is bollocks?

The use of a particular automatic rifle. No mass shootings have used an automatic rifle

The last crime involving one was in 1997 like I have said

Do you know the difference between full auto, semi and select fire?

No and tbh I couldnt give a toss

A weapon was used to devestating affect so your accusation of being billocks is quite ironic.

So you are speaking for a posistion of ignorance then therfore your input and opinion is functionally meaningless"

And ignore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?"

She hasn’t said she owns guns for self defence tho?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?"

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

She hasn’t said she owns guns for self defence tho? "

In the past when they have talked about guns it's been the right to protect your property and yourself.

Ismt it one of the ammemdmtnts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth."

But I have already told you not everyone in the US is legally allowed to own firearms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!

You might be surprised, living in a rural county...

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth."

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

She hasn’t said she owns guns for self defence tho?

In the past when they have talked about guns it's been the right to protect your property and yourself.

Ismt it one of the ammemdmtnts?"

It's the right to protect yourself if the government was to go rogue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland "

Yeah cans till own a pistol for self defence can you not? I think IOM might be similar

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland "

I thought that was the big thing in America.. the right to.bear arms to protect yourself?

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few."

I think we can condemn your gun lobby though... or at least I can. Co-opting the Constitution (which is a fine document btw - one you should be proud of) as a means to promote and sell guns is beyond appalling.

Owning a gun for shooting/sport - not my thing - but its fine. Owning a gun cos it makes a person a good Republican - thoroughly illegitemate in my view.

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

IOM you can still own pistols but self defence is not a good reason

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

Yeah cans till own a pistol for self defence can you not? I think IOM might be similar"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

I thought that was the big thing in America.. the right to.bear arms to protect yourself?

2nd ammendment

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Its more to do with protection against the state

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

She hasn’t said she owns guns for self defence tho?

In the past when they have talked about guns it's been the right to protect your property and yourself.

Ismt it one of the ammemdmtnts?"

Ah yes, I thought you were talking about the OP specifically sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Owning a gun for shooting/sport - not my thing - but its fine. Owning a gun cos it makes a person a good Republican - thoroughly illegitemate in my view."

Probably why gun buying Democrats are redressing the balance, but we are drifting into a whole bunch of different threads now!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?"

I didn't say you need a gun to defend yourself. You are condemning me for owning said weapons the general public had 0 knowledge of and I do not expect you to understand unless you actually have trained and used those weapon systems. It is a fear of unknown don't you think ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

She hasn’t said she owns guns for self defence tho?

In the past when they have talked about guns it's been the right to protect your property and yourself.

Ismt it one of the ammemdmtnts?

Ah yes, I thought you were talking about the OP specifically sorry "

Then of course the influence of the pro gun lobby

Its almost political suicide to even try and limit gun control.

Trump certainly played on that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Owning a gun for shooting/sport - not my thing - but its fine. Owning a gun cos it makes a person a good Republican - thoroughly illegitemate in my view.

Probably why gun buying Democrats are redressing the balance, but we are drifting into a whole bunch of different threads now!"

Yeah gun ownership is ddefinetly not a right wing

Theres a Socialist Rifle Association

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

I'm fairly sure you have said before you have the right to bear a gun to defend yourself?

I'm not condemning you..Thats the culture you seem to have over there.

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By *imbobaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

I thought that was the big thing in America.. the right to.bear arms to protect yourself?

2nd ammendment

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Its more to do with protection against the state"

The regulated militia mentioned is a state organised armed force for protection of the state and its people. Not individuals or private citizens. Written at a time of huge civil unrest in the US. But the US already had a social leaning to gun ownership that only increased over time.

Hence the overlooked intentions of the amendment.

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By *acDreamyMan
over a year ago

Wirral

I have to confess that I have not read all of both of your threads but I have a question....

If you could get rid of guns from the USA, would you?

By that, I mean that most people have guns to protect themselves against people who have other weapons. If they don't have guns would you need one?

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By *imbobaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Clarify - “ Not individuals or private citizens to carry arms”

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks

Sorry what is bollocks?"

Whatever you read apparently

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks

Sorry what is bollocks?

Whatever you read apparently"

Its because I said automatic when it should have been semi automatic (or the other way round)

Apparently that was the salient point in a school massacre.

My bad.

To coin a phrase from our transatlantic cousins.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

I thought that was the big thing in America.. the right to.bear arms to protect yourself?

2nd ammendment

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Its more to do with protection against the state

Hence the overlooked intentions of the amendment. "

It's not state organised, it's the people:

The purpose of the militia as defined by the Constitution is to: 1. Enforce the laws of the Union (The Constitution) 2. Suppress insurrections 3. Repel invasions These provisions affirm the right of the people to defend themselves and their republican form of government from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

It is to protect the people from a tyrannical state, originally us evil Brits..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

I thought that was the big thing in America.. the right to.bear arms to protect yourself?

2nd ammendment

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Its more to do with protection against the state

Hence the overlooked intentions of the amendment. "

At that time Militias where made up of private individuals whose responibility was to arm themselves, the state wouldn't arm them

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

I thought that was the big thing in America.. the right to.bear arms to protect yourself?

2nd ammendment

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Its more to do with protection against the state

Hence the overlooked intentions of the amendment.

It's not state organised, it's the people:

It is to protect the people from a tyrannical state, originally us evil Brits..

Dont they have a right to shoot people if they enter their property?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

I thought that was the big thing in America.. the right to.bear arms to protect yourself?

2nd ammendment

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Its more to do with protection against the state

Hence the overlooked intentions of the amendment.

It's not state organised, it's the people:

It is to protect the people from a tyrannical state, originally us evil Brits..

Dont they have a right to shoot people if they enter their property?"

That is the Castle Doctrine

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

I thought that was the big thing in America.. the right to.bear arms to protect yourself?

2nd ammendment

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Its more to do with protection against the state

Hence the overlooked intentions of the amendment.

It's not state organised, it's the people:

It is to protect the people from a tyrannical state, originally us evil Brits..

That was back in the 60s right?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have to confess that I have not read all of both of your threads but I have a question....

If you could get rid of guns from the USA, would you?

By that, I mean that most people have guns to protect themselves against people who have other weapons. If they don't have guns would you need one? "

Well my 5'2 frame surely not going to fend off a bear with a knife now am I.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I agree on red flag laws and phycological evaluation for the use of purchasing and owning one. But you cannot condemn us law abiding ones because of the actions of a few.

Can you not see the inherent flaw in the argument that I need a gun to defend myself?

The fact you would probably shoot your elf in the foot?

More so the fact that everyone would be walking around armed to the teeth.

Owning a gun for defence is not a good reason to possess one, except in Northern Ireland

I thought that was the big thing in America.. the right to.bear arms to protect yourself?

2nd ammendment

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Its more to do with protection against the state

Hence the overlooked intentions of the amendment.

It's not state organised, it's the people:

It is to protect the people from a tyrannical state, originally us evil Brits..

Dont they have a right to shoot people if they enter their property?"

I do it's called castle doctrine.

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

"I have to confess that I have not read all of both of your threads but I have a question....

If you could get rid of guns from the USA, would you?

By that, I mean that most people have guns to protect themselves against people who have other weapons. If they don't have guns would you need one?

Well my 5'2 frame surely not going to fend off a bear with a knife now am I."

You could ask it nicely not to eat your face!! Lol

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion."

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By *acDreamyMan
over a year ago

Wirral

"I have to confess that I have not read all of both of your threads but I have a question....

If you could get rid of guns from the USA, would you?

By that, I mean that most people have guns to protect themselves against people who have other weapons. If they don't have guns would you need one?

Well my 5'2 frame surely not going to fend off a bear with a knife now am I."

OK, bears in the woods etc is fine but that's not why most in the city carry a gun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

"I have to confess that I have not read all of both of your threads but I have a question....

If you could get rid of guns from the USA, would you?

By that, I mean that most people have guns to protect themselves against people who have other weapons. If they don't have guns would you need one?

Well my 5'2 frame surely not going to fend off a bear with a knife now am I.

OK, bears in the woods etc is fine but that's not why most in the city carry a gun. "

I do believe in most states you need either a concealed carry or open carry permit

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have to confess that I have not read all of both of your threads but I have a question....

If you could get rid of guns from the USA, would you?

By that, I mean that most people have guns to protect themselves against people who have other weapons. If they don't have guns would you need one?

Well my 5'2 frame surely not going to fend off a bear with a knife now am I.

OK, bears in the woods etc is fine but that's not why most in the city carry a gun. "

Exactly if you look at the statistics it's handguns doing the killings. Kind of hard to conceal a longgun in the city. But the AR being banned and handguns are not.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Just for interest....

The ten countries with the highest civilian gun ownership (number of firearms per 100 people) are:

United States (120.5)

Falkland Islands (62.1)

Yemen (52.8)

New Caledonia (42.5)

Serbia (39.1)

Montenegro (39.1)

Uruguay (34.7)

Canada (34.7)

Cyprus (34)

Finland (32.4)

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands"

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have to confess that I have not read all of both of your threads but I have a question....

If you could get rid of guns from the USA, would you?

By that, I mean that most people have guns to protect themselves against people who have other weapons. If they don't have guns would you need one?

Well my 5'2 frame surely not going to fend off a bear with a knife now am I.

OK, bears in the woods etc is fine but that's not why most in the city carry a gun.

I do believe in most states you need either a concealed carry or open carry permit "

I have a concealed I carry a G19 glock everyday. I had to go for background checks and all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks

Sorry what is bollocks?

Whatever you read apparently"

More the part that a fully automatic weapon was used

Plus the statement that large part of the population are able to own fully automatic weapons.

Which is completely untrue

Fully automatic weapons havnt been sold in the US since like the sixties. The only way to own one is to have an extended license and to pay a tax

Then you have to rich enough to own such aweapon in the first place as they are actually very rare so are extremely expensive, like im talking 10's of thousands of dollars

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though"

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though"
yea obviously but what I'm saying is people can own guns without being absute metal cases. Anyone remember the Hungerford massacre? Guy killed 16 people with ak47 late 80s I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember in one of the high school massacres, one of the kids used a particular automatic gun and the bullets used literally ripped you apart when it hit you.

The police said the aftermath was one of the most shocking things they had ever seen.

Why anyone would want a big chunk of the population to have access to such a horrific machine is beyond comprehenshion.

Quick check also shows there has never been a mass shooting using fully automatic weapons.

I know the last shooting that involved them was the Hollywood shootout in 1997, but no one died other than the 2 armed robbers. Agin they're weapons where illegally modified to be fully automatic

So what ever you read is bollocks

Sorry what is bollocks?

Whatever you read apparently

More the part that a fully automatic weapon was used

Plus the statement that large part of the population are able to own fully automatic weapons.

Which is completely untrue

Fully automatic weapons havnt been sold in the US since like the sixties. The only way to own one is to have an extended license and to pay a tax

Then you have to rich enough to own such aweapon in the first place as they are actually very rare so are extremely expensive, like im talking 10's of thousands of dollars

1986 sorry not the 60's

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By *ixey and CopperCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon."

The same year over 38,000 people were killed by guns in the US.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon."

How many people were killed by guns in America that year?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon.

The same year over 38,000 people were killed by guns in the US."

Just answered my question

So a slight difference.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car thoughyea obviously but what I'm saying is people can own guns without being absute metal cases. Anyone remember the Hungerford massacre? Guy killed 16 people with ak47 late 80s I think"

And dunblane aswell.

Thankfully they are relatively rare hear.

Watch that bowling for colimbine

Its superb

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon."

Yes it was a terrible terrible tragedy and it was a terrorist incident.

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon.

The same year over 38,000 people were killed by guns in the US."

27000 of these were suicides!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon.

How many people were killed by guns in America that year?"

Let's break this down lionel. Google cities with strictest gun control in us murder rates compared to rual murder rates. Better yet handgun mass shootings compared to shotgun and rifle. I am not trying to embarrass you I just trying to give my point of view. Understanding is everything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though"

That's more a European thing..although not schools..yet

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Yes I'm late to this debate. I'm not an advocate,for the reason that you can do a lot of harm very easily and quickly with them... As evidenced by the number of people killed each year by them. If people don't have them, then when they have their insanity moment they aren't able to kill someone with it.....ia my reasoning. I'm quite surprised how many seem to be in the pro lobby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So not a thread full of men with big arms then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

He had a few different guns, including handguns. He was a nutjob and concerns had been raised. It was a failing of the system. So was Dublane. Not so much Whitehaven..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states. "

You not going to drop a charging bear with a shotgun. They will laugh as they eat your face. You will just piss them off. AR is a platform design for ergonomic and quick reaction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states. "

An Assault weapon is fully automatic, AR15's are not

The whole term "Assault Weapons" is pointless tbh when you are talking about civilian weapons in reality. Its a media buzzword to scare people who don't understand fire arms

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So not a thread full of men with big arms then?

Nope I a woman sorry to burst your bubble.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon.

The same year over 38,000 people were killed by guns in the US.

27000 of these were suicides!!"

Suicides don't count then?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon.

How many people were killed by guns in America that year?

According to wiki there were nearly 14,000 homicides relating to guns in 2018.

I thought we were talking about america in general?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon.

The same year over 38,000 people were killed by guns in the US.

27000 of these were suicides!!

Suicides don't count then? "

If people wanted suicide does it matter the method or does better phycological help more effective. Pretty sure to hose poor souls would have found another way .

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states.

You not going to drop a charging bear with a shotgun. They will laugh as they eat your face. You will just piss them off. AR is a platform design for ergonomic and quick reaction. "

Out of interest how many bears have you had to shoot which were attacking you or yours?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

UK deaths by firearm (all causes, ie crime , accident and suicide) averages @0.2 per 100,000 of the population. Now dead is dead and always tragic, often unnecessary, but it's not a lot. By comparison the US is @12.2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So not a thread full of men with big arms then?

Nope I a woman sorry to burst your bubble."

In that case I’ll leave you all to discuss guns: one of the main reasons I won’t be visiting America.

The other reason lost an election so isn’t such a problem now.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So not a thread full of men with big arms then?

Nope I a woman sorry to burst your bubble.

In that case I’ll leave you all to discuss guns: one of the main reasons I won’t be visiting America.

The other reason lost an election so isn’t such a problem now.

It's ok I respect your decision it's not for you and that is how life should be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes your right Chloe I was using the Assault weapon in the buzzword context, I’m was referring to any weapon that can place a large number of bullets down range in a short period of time

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states.

You not going to drop a charging bear with a shotgun. They will laugh as they eat your face. You will just piss them off. AR is a platform design for ergonomic and quick reaction.

Out of interest how many bears have you had to shoot which were attacking you or yours? "

Jellystone park can be quite dangerous thf

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states. "

Semi auto are section5 firearms in the uk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes your right Chloe I was using the Assault weapon in the buzzword context, I’m was referring to any weapon that can place a large number of bullets down range in a short period of time"

So any semi automatic firearm then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states.

Semi auto are section5 firearms in the uk"

You can have semi-auto shotguns and .22 rimfires under S.1. Loads of them around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find the term ‘assault weapon’ utterly ridiculous. Anything that looks vaguely military then the media pisses itself in a panic.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"A car is as dangerous as a gun in the wrong hands

Don't hear of too many school mass slaughters with a car though

No but in france 2016 86 People died from a truck used as a weapon.

The same year over 38,000 people were killed by guns in the US.

27000 of these were suicides!!

Suicides don't count then?

If people wanted suicide does it matter the method or does better phycological help more effective. Pretty sure to hose poor souls would have found another way ."

Thing is... You don't know.. And they are a gun death.. if they didn't have a gun in their hand then they would not have been able to kill themselves with it.. Maybe a bear would have killed them instead.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states.

You not going to drop a charging bear with a shotgun. They will laugh as they eat your face. You will just piss them off. AR is a platform design for ergonomic and quick reaction.

Out of interest how many bears have you had to shoot which were attacking you or yours? "

None yet but a AR shooting in the air scares them off. I do not shoot innocent animals. Mother's are super protective of their cubs. Takes multiple rounds in the air to set that fear in them. Rather scare them with multiple rounds then to kill.

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over a year ago

Well yes I can’t really see the point in the average person owning a gun

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over a year ago

"I find the term ‘assault weapon’ utterly ridiculous. Anything that looks vaguely military then the media pisses itself in a panic. "

It's a phrase that msm, and the anti-gun lobby have leapt upon to create fear. Many guns are derived from military firearms and the uber scary AR15 was originally a sporting rifle that was adopted by the military and developed into the M16. A bullet is a bullet and doesn't care what gun it came from.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Well yes I can’t really see the point in the average person owning a gun"

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states.

You not going to drop a charging bear with a shotgun. They will laugh as they eat your face. You will just piss them off. AR is a platform design for ergonomic and quick reaction.

Out of interest how many bears have you had to shoot which were attacking you or yours?

Yes of course I understand that. And we don't have bears to worry about here... So not familiar with the issue. How often do you have to fire an AR over their heads to keep you safe?

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By *aughtynottsCouple
over a year ago

Outside Nottingham

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states.

Semi auto are section5 firearms in the uk

You can have semi-auto shotguns and .22 rimfires under S.1. Loads of them around."

My bad I was directing my reply to the ar15 “assault rifle” quote above, I have semi autos in shotgun and 22lr on S1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well yes I can’t really see the point in the average person owning a gun"

Pest Control

Land management

Humane dispatch (vets, stockman)

Clays

Target shooting

I don't know what an average person is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find the term ‘assault weapon’ utterly ridiculous. Anything that looks vaguely military then the media pisses itself in a panic. "

I agree

An ar15 is no different to a Ruger Mini 14 for example. Just one looks scary.

An assault rifle is a specific thing, not just anything that looks vaguly military or because it has a Picatinny rail lol

Fires an intermediate cartridge and is select fire

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Well yes I can’t really see the point in the average person owning a gun

Pest Control

Land management

Humane dispatch (vets, stockman)

Clays

Target shooting

I don't know what an average person is?"

I had mice once.. I called pest control rather than buying an ak-47.

Why would you need to buy bullets that explode on impact and do as much damage as possible?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states.

You not going to drop a charging bear with a shotgun. They will laugh as they eat your face. You will just piss them off. AR is a platform design for ergonomic and quick reaction.

Out of interest how many bears have you had to shoot which were attacking you or yours?

Yes of course I understand that. And we don't have bears to worry about here... So not familiar with the issue. How often do you have to fire an AR over their heads to keep you safe? "

Atleast once a year. We have 3 dogs momma bears are worse the bruins. My daschund unfortunately is a asshole and wants to chase the cubs on our property. They come around at all times it is hard to predict. My point is in a rual setting it is a effective tool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally if someone was shooting at me I’d rather take my chances with one bullet then say twenty

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I find the term ‘assault weapon’ utterly ridiculous. Anything that looks vaguely military then the media pisses itself in a panic.

I agree

An ar15 is no different to a Ruger Mini 14 for example. Just one looks scary.

An assault rifle is a specific thing, not just anything that looks vaguly military or because it has a Picatinny rail lol

Fires an intermediate cartridge and is select fire

Good point ban AR and AK but mini

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

It's an interesting debate to understand why people think it's OK or a good thing. Clearly a massive cultural difference. All I'll say is can you imagine if we had the same gun culture here? What with how aggressive we've become... Neighbour disputes... Blam Blam..

Not wearing a mask... Blam.. Road rage... What a scary thought.

You need a license to own that...dont you infringe my freedoms. Enjoy the rest of the debate

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

This is going to sound like a silly question.. but if guns are primarily used for clay pigeon shooting etc

How come nearly 14,000 people a year are getting killed?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I find the term ‘assault weapon’ utterly ridiculous. Anything that looks vaguely military then the media pisses itself in a panic.

I agree

An ar15 is no different to a Ruger Mini 14 for example. Just one looks scary.

An assault rifle is a specific thing, not just anything that looks vaguly military or because it has a Picatinny rail lol

Fires an intermediate cartridge and is select fire

Good point ban AR and AK but mini "

Oops cooking mini 14 is fine.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Target shooting and people like farmers using shotguns for pest control ok but absolutely no reason everyday people should own AR15 assault type weapons like you see in the states.

You not going to drop a charging bear with a shotgun. They will laugh as they eat your face. You will just piss them off. AR is a platform design for ergonomic and quick reaction.

Out of interest how many bears have you had to shoot which were attacking you or yours?

Yes of course I understand that. And we don't have bears to worry about here... So not familiar with the issue. How often do you have to fire an AR over their heads to keep you safe?

Ah OK.. Yes that makes sense.. Helpful to understand.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I find the term ‘assault weapon’ utterly ridiculous. Anything that looks vaguely military then the media pisses itself in a panic.

I agree

An ar15 is no different to a Ruger Mini 14 for example. Just one looks scary.

An assault rifle is a specific thing, not just anything that looks vaguly military or because it has a Picatinny rail lol

Fires an intermediate cartridge and is select fire

Good point ban AR and AK but mini

Oops cooking mini 14 is fine."

I run a VR 80 shotgun it's in a AR configuration for competition but it won't be banned because of its looks. Because it's a shotgun.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"This is going to sound like a silly question.. but if guns are primarily used for clay pigeon shooting etc

How come nearly 14,000 people a year are getting killed?"

Handguns mostly. You can't shoot clays with a pistol. If you can I would say you sir are the next instructor zero.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyway I play airsoft I prefer shooting something that can shoot back.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

I wonder how many shootings in the uk were committed with legally held firearms? I’d imagine very few, and if that is the case I’ve would suggest that uk gun laws are working. Those that have a legitimate use for them can have them. Criminals will get them weather legal or not.

Our biggest problem is teenagers stabbing each other to death with kitchen knives.

They cannot be banned.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyway I play airsoft I prefer shooting something that can shoot back. "

Lol that's fine that is fun

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyway I play airsoft I prefer shooting something that can shoot back.

Lol that's fine that is fun "

I am x military so is hubby it's really not that fun when someone shooting back with a PKM. Live fire sucks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder how many shootings in the uk were committed with legally held firearms? I’d imagine very few, and if that is the case I’ve would suggest that uk gun laws are working. Those that have a legitimate use for them can have them. Criminals will get them weather legal or not.

Our biggest problem is teenagers stabbing each other to death with kitchen knives.

They cannot be banned.

Think the last wast probably the Tony Martin case. I dont think it was Raul Moat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyway I play airsoft I prefer shooting something that can shoot back.

Lol that's fine that is fun

I am x military so is hubby it's really not that fun when someone shooting back with a PKM. Live fire sucks."

Yeah i really wouldnt fanncy getting hit with a 54R thats going to be a bad day

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Our biggest problem is teenagers stabbing each other to death with kitchen knives.

They cannot be banned.

Think the last wast probably the Tony Martin case. I dont think it was Raul Moat"

Neither firearms were legally held in both cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our biggest problem is teenagers stabbing each other to death with kitchen knives.

They cannot be banned.

Think the last wast probably the Tony Martin case. I dont think it was Raul Moat

Neither firearms were legally held in both cases."

Yeah i didnt think the moat one was as he had just been let out prison. I couldnt remember with Martin one because i was quite young when that happened

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are relatively few crimes committed in the UK with legally held guns. Of course, Hungerford, Dunblane and Whitehaven were, metaphorically speaking, plane crashes. Tragically the first two could have been prevented, imho. There have been the occasional isolated incidents, usually domestic disputes and suicides by gun owners. Many suicides are preventable too, and often the people close to the victims knew they were struggling mentally, knew they had access to guns, but did not inform the authorities. That said, the victims are just as likely to find other means.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I understand the need for gun control and I agree that we have it, it saddens me that I am not allowed to own some of the beautiful pieces of kit that is out there.

Nothing too fancy, a full bore rifle, possible .50 cal hunting rifle, a decent home defence weapon, the pump action shotgun.

I can apply for a license, but don't have the space to store them safely, nor the land to shoot them.

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By * AND R 777Couple
over a year ago

Teesside

Because silly little boys need too carry them to make them feel like a man

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

As a soldier I'm trained on various weapons like the .50 cal HMG, GPMG, L85A2 and Glock, yes they're fun to shoot but it's in a very controlled environment and we're all professionals. I wouldn't trust the vast majority of civvies to own guns privately. I grew up on a farm and had air rifles as a teenager and was taught by my dad to use them safely, but of course I had lads from school calling round wanting to shoot who would then start pointing the guns loaded at me or others thinking it was funny or shooting at neighbours houses/pets etc (at that age I was scared of the "bigger boys" so daren't stand up to them) so other than farmers and gamekeepers having access to firearms it's a no from me.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Guns dont kill people. People kill people.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I understand the need for gun control and I agree that we have it, it saddens me that I am not allowed to own some of the beautiful pieces of kit that is out there.

Nothing too fancy, a full bore rifle, possible .50 cal hunting rifle, a decent home defence weapon, the pump action shotgun.

I can apply for a license, but don't have the space to store them safely, nor the land to shoot them."

It must be pretty brutal where you live

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By *uke OzadeMan
over a year ago

Ho Chi Minge City

"Guns dont kill people. People kill people. "

Guns don’t kill people, rappers do...

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Guns dont kill people. People kill people. "

but it's a damn sight easier with a machine gun than a block of cheese.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I understand the need for gun control and I agree that we have it, it saddens me that I am not allowed to own some of the beautiful pieces of kit that is out there.

Nothing too fancy, a full bore rifle, possible .50 cal hunting rifle, a decent home defence weapon, the pump action shotgun.

I can apply for a license, but don't have the space to store them safely, nor the land to shoot them.

It must be pretty brutal where you live"

Not at all, just those are the guns I always liked growing up.

Things like a nice Barret model 82, frenchi spas, a L1A1 battle rifle. I shot the rifle in the cadets, I fell in love with how it felt in ny hands, the feeling of the kick as it fired. Plus it helped focus your mind, as I got quite good at target shooting. I got my marksman badge on the first time I shot a .22 rifle, this was at HMS Royal Arthur with the sea cadets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m all for gun ownership but I really can’t get my head around ‘liking’ guns. Maybe I’m just too pragmatic and practical minded but for me guns are tools or a piece of sporting equipment. Never understood the concept of keeping guns just because you can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its like a lot of things people like to collect items, whether it is cars, bikes, teapots, etc.

I do a bit of airsoft, I have a Kriss Vector. SMG, a sniper rifle, 2 pistols and now I am looking to get an SLR.

I also have quite a few paintball guns as well, most of them are worthless but sentimental to me. I have my first splatmaster, a razorback and phantom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its like a lot of things people like to collect items, whether it is cars, bikes, teapots, etc.

I do a bit of airsoft, I have a Kriss Vector. SMG, a sniper rifle, 2 pistols and now I am looking to get an SLR.

I also have quite a few paintball guns as well, most of them are worthless but sentimental to me. I have my first splatmaster, a razorback and phantom."

I suppose it’s just one of them things I’m not into. I just collect dead animal bits

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Guns dont kill people. People kill people.

but it's a damn sight easier with a machine gun than a block of cheese. "

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By *r PhotographerMan
over a year ago

Bridgwater

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!"
well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve got shotguns and .22 rifles at home was gutted when I had to hand over my 9mm pistols, luckily no criminals have any guns to use on the streets anymore!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I fired live ammunition in the cadets a Belgian SLR. A couple of shot guns. I still have two weirauch 177 and 22 air rifle. That's enough to keep up the shooting skills.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!well said"

Serious question.

Where do "outlaws" (like josie wales presumably) obtain guns from?

If guns are monitored and accounted for and in possession of sane and assessed safe and licenced people... The only place outlaws can obtain guns is....?

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!well said

Serious question.

Where do "outlaws" (like josie wales presumably) obtain guns from?

If guns are monitored and accounted for and in possession of sane and assessed safe and licenced people... The only place outlaws can obtain guns is....? "

Former IRA guns of which there were a lot have found their way into the hands of the criminals that want them, and those that have been cleverly smuggled past customs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!well said

Serious question.

Where do "outlaws" (like josie wales presumably) obtain guns from?

If guns are monitored and accounted for and in possession of sane and assessed safe and licenced people... The only place outlaws can obtain guns is....? "

You’ll never control all guns to start with. Baddies will get their guns whenever and wherever they can. They’ll use blank firing pistols and drill out the barrels or they’ll even use old world war 2 trophies if they can.

Did you watch Hometown on BBC three? Scary some of the weapons dedicated shitheads can get their hands on. They pass them round like they’re lending each other a DVD

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And if cars were as dangerous as guns why dont they give the army a load of Ford fiestas.?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Surely the bottom line is thet america has more problems with guns than us,because they are more easily available?

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

People kill each other over comments made on Facebook enough as it is these days, just imagine how common it would be if guns were as common here as they are in the states?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Surely the bottom line is thet america has more problems with guns than us,because they are more easily available?"

Of course we do but it is the majority of cities where guns are banned that have the highest murder rates. Not rual areas.

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

I only like Guns&Roses

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"And if cars were as dangerous as guns why dont they give the army a load of Ford fiestas.?"

Ford? It would be bmws surely...

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!well said

Serious question.

Where do "outlaws" (like josie wales presumably) obtain guns from?

If guns are monitored and accounted for and in possession of sane and assessed safe and licenced people... The only place outlaws can obtain guns is....?

Did you watch Hometown on BBC three? Scary some of the weapons dedicated shitheads can get their hands on. They pass them round like they’re lending each other a DVD

So is the answer to just let more and more guns into circulation then? Make no effort to control deadly weapons?

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By *elsh_naturist_coupleCouple
over a year ago

Newport

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!"

Spot on!

When the government at the time band hand guns. There own report stated there were more illegally own hand guns than legal!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!

Spot on!

When the government at the time band hand guns. There own report stated there were more illegally own hand guns than legal!"

Your not going to get guns out of the hands of criminals no matter how many laws you pass. It will only apply to legal gun ownership.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One sad fact is:

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws own guns!!well said

Serious question.

Where do "outlaws" (like josie wales presumably) obtain guns from?

If guns are monitored and accounted for and in possession of sane and assessed safe and licenced people... The only place outlaws can obtain guns is....?

Did you watch Hometown on BBC three? Scary some of the weapons dedicated shitheads can get their hands on. They pass them round like they’re lending each other a DVD

So is the answer to just let more and more guns into circulation then? Make no effort to control deadly weapons? "

I didn’t say that. The point is criminals will always get hold of illegal weapons no matter how much legislation and regulations are passed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a concealed I carry a G19 glock everyday. I had to go for background checks and all."

So this is for the bears right? You don't want the bears to know you're packing.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have a concealed I carry a G19 glock everyday. I had to go for background checks and all.

So this is for the bears right? You don't want the bears to know you're packing."

No that is for stupid humans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guns dont kill people. People kill people. "

True that brother

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So is the answer to just let more and more guns into circulation then? Make no effort to control deadly weapons?

I didn’t say that. The point is criminals will always get hold of illegal weapons no matter how much legislation and regulations are passed "

This is the sad postscript to the Dunblane massacre. In response the government spent £50 million taking legal handguns out of circulation to little effect what so ever on gun deaths.

Still today over 50% of gun crimes in the UK are committed with illegal handguns. That £50 million could have been used to much better effect.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

My kids are back at School, I worry over their grades, bullying and their enthusiasm for learning. I don’t worry that some pissed off person (generally Male, can’t think of a case of a woman shooting up a school) decides that they make great target practice.

Before anyone accuses me of being some leftist snowflake, I served in the Army used plenty of weapons from a General Purpose Machine Gun to a Browning 9mm. As we were informed they are a tool for killing that’s all, that’s their purpose and always will be.

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"My kids are back at School, I worry over their grades, bullying and their enthusiasm for learning. I don’t worry that some pissed off person (generally Male, can’t think of a case of a woman shooting up a school) decides that they make great target practice.

I’m with you on this... ex army myself and fired plenty of rounds through plenty of barrels....

There is absolutely no need for any civilian to have access to a semi automatic weapon of any type, especially if they’re magazine fed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a concealed I carry a G19 glock everyday. I had to go for background checks and all.

So this is for the bears right? You don't want the bears to know you're packing.

No that is for stupid humans."

Given your love of guns I'd put you in that category.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I have a concealed I carry a G19 glock everyday. I had to go for background checks and all.

So this is for the bears right? You don't want the bears to know you're packing.

No that is for stupid humans.

Given your love of guns I'd put you in that category. "

Isn't their good evidence that Australia introduced gun controls and reduced gun crime significantly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a concealed I carry a G19 glock everyday. I had to go for background checks and all.

So this is for the bears right? You don't want the bears to know you're packing.

No that is for stupid humans.

Given your love of guns I'd put you in that category. "

No need to get personal is there

Would you put people that enjoy historic re enactment into the same catagory? Who own swoords and other tools?

firearms are tools and machines, you can appreciate them for the engineering that goes into them, same way some one may appreciate a welll made knife or any other tool

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I have a concealed I carry a G19 glock everyday. I had to go for background checks and all.

So this is for the bears right? You don't want the bears to know you're packing.

No that is for stupid humans.

Given your love of guns I'd put you in that category.

No need to get personal is there

Would you put people that enjoy historic re enactment into the same catagory? Who own swoords and other tools?

firearms are tools and machines, you can appreciate them for the engineering that goes into them, same way some one may appreciate a welll made knife or any other tool"

Guns are tools? Tools to do what?

Guns are weapons surely.? I mean it's clear some people here are passionately pro owning and using them, and some are not... But let's not pretend guns are tools.

The definition of a gun is a weapon with a metal tube that fires bullets or other explosives, or a device with a tube that shoots objects at a target. An example of a gun is a rifle.

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