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"I think labels just conplicate it. If you like trans mtf or ftm and not guys then that what you like. Labels like gay imply other things that may not be true. Either w need a load of descriptive specific labels. Or we stop labeling people" I couldn't agree more. | |||
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"I think that a person doesn’t want to be a dirty secret and there are quite a few guys who will meet with trans women or cross dressers but not tell anyone and keep straight on their profile. No one enjoys being the shameful secret. As for labels? You do you. I’ve found that being honest about my sexuality has allowed myself to normalise it and for others to seek me out. Whilst I can kind of understand the ‘labels are for cans’ argument, if you’re searching for connections, people need to know what’s inside" Really well put, i guess its not something any of us can resolve but just curious on what peoples opinions were, I think there is a difference between generations, younger people don't seem to be as hung up on wether someone identifies as one thing or another but for my generation I think we were conditioned into choosing a side so to speak. | |||
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"For me it’s all about safety if the guys profile says bi I can be pretty shour I not going to fall victim to regret afterwards rage as when things get hot and sweety the glitz and glam start to come off Wigs ither end up crooked or completely off Make ups everywhere on me on the bed on the other person Once’s a guys nutted and come to and realty sets in they can turn pritty nasty and even turn vilint Never had it happen to me but I always careful and only meet people who are bi Maybe I was put off in my younger years by reading the forums on a tv/ts site quite well knowin obviously can’t say hear And tripped over meny story’s off such things happing " I get that, i guess there a lot of people who're uncomfortable that they enjoy a bit of cock and as you say once they've cum there is some shame, i guess this comes from society and the envitroment you grow up in. When i was at school gay was defiantly a slur and no one would have ever been "out" | |||
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"I think labels just conplicate it. If you like trans mtf or ftm and not guys then that what you like. Labels like gay imply other things that may not be true. Either w need a load of descriptive specific labels. Or we stop labeling people I couldn't agree more." I see your from a younger generation from me and I think what you say is indicative of how younger people approach this subject, although I also feel the younger generation have come up with a lot for "neo pronouns" and label that complicate, confuse and upset people, not that blaming you at all I think were heading to a world beyond labels hopefully as you suggest. | |||
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"People will say no labels but to me people (guys in particular) who say they’re straight but then will engage in some form of play with another guy, cd, trans, are not straight. Break down bi into bi-curious, orally-bi whatever you want but it’s not straight. I quite like what someone said the other day about being bi-playful. That sums it up for me! If you forget the labels it’s easier but the world will never leave labels alone. The stigma of liking cock as a guy is still there so many guys are “fab straight”. " "Biplayful", "fab straight"! love it, i guess a lot of us are dirty kinky fuckers! | |||
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"For me it’s all about safety if the guys profile says bi I can be pretty shour I not going to fall victim to regret afterwards rage as when things get hot and sweety the glitz and glam start to come off Wigs ither end up crooked or completely off Make ups everywhere on me on the bed on the other person Once’s a guys nutted and come to and realty sets in they can turn pritty nasty and even turn vilint Never had it happen to me but I always careful and only meet people who are bi Maybe I was put off in my younger years by reading the forums on a tv/ts site quite well knowin obviously can’t say hear And tripped over meny story’s off such things happing " Pretty much this is my main reasoning and why its at the top of my profile | |||
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"Its a tricky one, but ultimately a question that doesn't need an answer. As long as people are happy, horny and fulfilled we should all just be satisfied. But if you insist on having my answer from my perspective: As a guy that regularly meets trans girls and CDs, I feel about as close to being straight as I can call myself having had sex with what some would describe as: males. The real defining answer for me personally was when a friend who I had met dressed up as a girl convinced me to meet 'him' out of character. I gave it a go, and despite him being good looking and horny, I just couldn't get in the mood and ended up letting him down a bit (if you know what I mean). He was great about it and appreciated that I was experimenting, but it proved to me that I was effectively only attracted to the female form, hence straight. In the understood definition of the word anyway. For me my attraction in trans and CDs comes from: A) the naughtiness and sexiness of the 'make believe'. Difficult to explain that one though. B) CDs and trans are, to put it bluntly, hornier, sluttier and easier to arrange than women, who to be fair probably get bombarded with messages. My answer in short, is no I don't feel gay. I am, however still secret about my activities. " I want people to know and understand there’s more sexualities than “straight” and “gay”....sigh. Specific attraction to non-binary, gender non-conforming and/or trans people is called skoliosexuality. As for you being in the closet about your activities with trans/cd — well, some folks don’t like being dirty secrets and seems like you might be ashamed— that’s unfortunate. | |||
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"When having conversations with guys about this..i say...'if i had muscles, tattoos and a beard would you be interested in me?' They say no. Because they are straight. If I ask them..'if i answered the door and had a deep voice, walked like a guy and had mannerisms of a guy..would you be interested in me?'...many say no. Because they are straight. Some say they like willies, but not if they are attached to a guy. Maybe it is a safe way to experiment without actually meeting a guy. Most guys i see have no interest in me bonking them, and are happy that i am bottom only...and im sure they say..that its very much like meeting a girl to them. " It’s very much LIKE meeting a girl... or are they actually meeting a girl? It’s either the same or it’s not, no? | |||
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"Its a tricky one, but ultimately a question that doesn't need an answer. As long as people are happy, horny and fulfilled we should all just be satisfied. But if you insist on having my answer from my perspective: As a guy that regularly meets trans girls and CDs, I feel about as close to being straight as I can call myself having had sex with what some would describe as: males. The real defining answer for me personally was when a friend who I had met dressed up as a girl convinced me to meet 'him' out of character. I gave it a go, and despite him being good looking and horny, I just couldn't get in the mood and ended up letting him down a bit (if you know what I mean). He was great about it and appreciated that I was experimenting, but it proved to me that I was effectively only attracted to the female form, hence straight. In the understood definition of the word anyway. For me my attraction in trans and CDs comes from: A) the naughtiness and sexiness of the 'make believe'. Difficult to explain that one though. B) CDs and trans are, to put it bluntly, hornier, sluttier and easier to arrange than women, who to be fair probably get bombarded with messages. My answer in short, is no I don't feel gay. I am, however still secret about my activities. I want people to know and understand there’s more sexualities than “straight” and “gay”....sigh. Specific attraction to non-binary, gender non-conforming and/or trans people is called skoliosexuality. As for you being in the closet about your activities with trans/cd — well, some folks don’t like being dirty secrets and seems like you might be ashamed— that’s unfortunate. " Quite the opposite. The ones I've met are all secret too and enjoy the secrecy as much as I do. Yes, you're right, I'm not ready to show off my sexuality, nor do I think that doing so is necessary? I don't need judgement for that. | |||
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"Hi, Just something I wanted to ask opinion on here "in your opinion are men who like trans women gay?" Ive heard this question a lot, I'm clear in myself about it in that I like trans women as a man as well as women and in the right circumstances guys, I don't label myself as bi, gay, straight, pan, just my choice but respect others choices to their own definition of their sexuality. Ive noticed a lot of trans women consider the men who like them as straight which i agree with but a lot of trans people on here won't deal with guys unless it says bi on their profile, as I say for me I'm not bothered about labelling my sexuality but curious to how what others think. unfortunately I still think there is some stigma about being seen as gay or into trans but not feeling like your gay. Steph X" I can only speak for myself and not the rest of the male population, I have straight on my profile and that’s because I honestly don’t want the questions from anyone I may know who sees my profile, I’ve never actually opened up about my sexual side to a lot of people. I’ve already had a lot of stigma thrown my way in the past for unrelated things and I learnt to keep my life private and only open up about things when I choose, here I’ll be completely honest if I’m asked about things but in the outside world I’d prefer things to be kept quiet. | |||
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"Its a tricky one, but ultimately a question that doesn't need an answer. As long as people are happy, horny and fulfilled we should all just be satisfied. But if you insist on having my answer from my perspective: As a guy that regularly meets trans girls and CDs, I feel about as close to being straight as I can call myself having had sex with what some would describe as: males. The real defining answer for me personally was when a friend who I had met dressed up as a girl convinced me to meet 'him' out of character. I gave it a go, and despite him being good looking and horny, I just couldn't get in the mood and ended up letting him down a bit (if you know what I mean). He was great about it and appreciated that I was experimenting, but it proved to me that I was effectively only attracted to the female form, hence straight. In the understood definition of the word anyway. For me my attraction in trans and CDs comes from: A) the naughtiness and sexiness of the 'make believe'. Difficult to explain that one though. B) CDs and trans are, to put it bluntly, hornier, sluttier and easier to arrange than women, who to be fair probably get bombarded with messages. My answer in short, is no I don't feel gay. I am, however still secret about my activities. I want people to know and understand there’s more sexualities than “straight” and “gay”....sigh. Specific attraction to non-binary, gender non-conforming and/or trans people is called skoliosexuality. As for you being in the closet about your activities with trans/cd — well, some folks don’t like being dirty secrets and seems like you might be ashamed— that’s unfortunate. Quite the opposite. The ones I've met are all secret too and enjoy the secrecy as much as I do. Yes, you're right, I'm not ready to show off my sexuality, nor do I think that doing so is necessary? I don't need judgement for that." I did use the qualifier *some*, didn’t I? Good for you all then, if people are on the same page it’s always good. Saying the closet is unfortunate isn’t judgment upon you, or is it? If you feel it’s so, oh well then. But I have a funny feeling most men don’t have a problem exhibiting straight or heterosexual sexuality. It’s just when it gets into that queer stuff. All the queer sex, none of the queer struggles, eh?  | |||
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"Hi, Just something I wanted to ask opinion on here "in your opinion are men who like trans women gay?" Ive heard this question a lot, I'm clear in myself about it in that I like trans women as a man as well as women and in the right circumstances guys, I don't label myself as bi, gay, straight, pan, just my choice but respect others choices to their own definition of their sexuality. Ive noticed a lot of trans women consider the men who like them as straight which i agree with but a lot of trans people on here won't deal with guys unless it says bi on their profile, as I say for me I'm not bothered about labelling my sexuality but curious to how what others think. unfortunately I still think there is some stigma about being seen as gay or into trans but not feeling like your gay. Steph X I can only speak for myself and not the rest of the male population, I have straight on my profile and that’s because I honestly don’t want the questions from anyone I may know who sees my profile, I’ve never actually opened up about my sexual side to a lot of people. I’ve already had a lot of stigma thrown my way in the past for unrelated things and I learnt to keep my life private and only open up about things when I choose, here I’ll be completely honest if I’m asked about things but in the outside world I’d prefer things to be kept quiet." I’m sorry— you mean you never opened up about your sexual side to... the people who know you on this sexual swinger site? So those that KNOW you’re on a swing site (which is sexual) would think it’s a bridge too far if they note you are anything but straight, too? Crazy | |||
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"Hi, Just something I wanted to ask opinion on here "in your opinion are men who like trans women gay?" Ive heard this question a lot, I'm clear in myself about it in that I like trans women as a man as well as women and in the right circumstances guys, I don't label myself as bi, gay, straight, pan, just my choice but respect others choices to their own definition of their sexuality. Ive noticed a lot of trans women consider the men who like them as straight which i agree with but a lot of trans people on here won't deal with guys unless it says bi on their profile, as I say for me I'm not bothered about labelling my sexuality but curious to how what others think. unfortunately I still think there is some stigma about being seen as gay or into trans but not feeling like your gay. Steph X I can only speak for myself and not the rest of the male population, I have straight on my profile and that’s because I honestly don’t want the questions from anyone I may know who sees my profile, I’ve never actually opened up about my sexual side to a lot of people. I’ve already had a lot of stigma thrown my way in the past for unrelated things and I learnt to keep my life private and only open up about things when I choose, here I’ll be completely honest if I’m asked about things but in the outside world I’d prefer things to be kept quiet. I’m sorry— you mean you never opened up about your sexual side to... the people who know you on this sexual swinger site? So those that KNOW you’re on a swing site (which is sexual) would think it’s a bridge too far if they note you are anything but straight, too? Crazy "Sorry I probably explained that badly, to people on the outside of fab I’m straight, my profile says straight incase I’m recognised however to anyone else I may speak to on here I’ll be honest about my sexuality. I tried opening up years ago properly however that went really badly so I stopped talking about it as openly | |||
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"Hi, Just something I wanted to ask opinion on here "in your opinion are men who like trans women gay?" Ive heard this question a lot, I'm clear in myself about it in that I like trans women as a man as well as women and in the right circumstances guys, I don't label myself as bi, gay, straight, pan, just my choice but respect others choices to their own definition of their sexuality. Ive noticed a lot of trans women consider the men who like them as straight which i agree with but a lot of trans people on here won't deal with guys unless it says bi on their profile, as I say for me I'm not bothered about labelling my sexuality but curious to how what others think. unfortunately I still think there is some stigma about being seen as gay or into trans but not feeling like your gay. Steph X I can only speak for myself and not the rest of the male population, I have straight on my profile and that’s because I honestly don’t want the questions from anyone I may know who sees my profile, I’ve never actually opened up about my sexual side to a lot of people. I’ve already had a lot of stigma thrown my way in the past for unrelated things and I learnt to keep my life private and only open up about things when I choose, here I’ll be completely honest if I’m asked about things but in the outside world I’d prefer things to be kept quiet. I’m sorry— you mean you never opened up about your sexual side to... the people who know you on this sexual swinger site? So those that KNOW you’re on a swing site (which is sexual) would think it’s a bridge too far if they note you are anything but straight, too? Crazy
Sorry I probably explained that badly, to people on the outside of fab I’m straight, my profile says straight incase I’m recognised however to anyone else I may speak to on here I’ll be honest about my sexuality.
I tried opening up years ago properly however that went really badly so I stopped talking about it as openly"Okay... so anyone who knows or recognizes you on here-- they wouldn't be surprised or taken back or judgmental about you being on a swingers site... but just if you ain't straight. I'd throw that shit right back in their face if it were me... but, oh well. | |||
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"Hi, Just something I wanted to ask opinion on here "in your opinion are men who like trans women gay?" Ive heard this question a lot, I'm clear in myself about it in that I like trans women as a man as well as women and in the right circumstances guys, I don't label myself as bi, gay, straight, pan, just my choice but respect others choices to their own definition of their sexuality. Ive noticed a lot of trans women consider the men who like them as straight which i agree with but a lot of trans people on here won't deal with guys unless it says bi on their profile, as I say for me I'm not bothered about labelling my sexuality but curious to how what others think. unfortunately I still think there is some stigma about being seen as gay or into trans but not feeling like your gay. Steph X I can only speak for myself and not the rest of the male population, I have straight on my profile and that’s because I honestly don’t want the questions from anyone I may know who sees my profile, I’ve never actually opened up about my sexual side to a lot of people. I’ve already had a lot of stigma thrown my way in the past for unrelated things and I learnt to keep my life private and only open up about things when I choose, here I’ll be completely honest if I’m asked about things but in the outside world I’d prefer things to be kept quiet. I’m sorry— you mean you never opened up about your sexual side to... the people who know you on this sexual swinger site? So those that KNOW you’re on a swing site (which is sexual) would think it’s a bridge too far if they note you are anything but straight, too? Crazy
Sorry I probably explained that badly, to people on the outside of fab I’m straight, my profile says straight incase I’m recognised however to anyone else I may speak to on here I’ll be honest about my sexuality.
I tried opening up years ago properly however that went really badly so I stopped talking about it as openly"Dude don't feel it necessary to explain yourself. Some people just find an excuse to signal their superior virtues and find malice in what someone else says. Truth be told this thread has become just as poisonous as the homophibia that makes it difficult to admit who we really are. Someone having a go at others because they HAVNT come out, really?! All my trans friends (a lot) are just as secret as me, and I don't need to be chastised for being discreet on a fabswingers forum??! Lol | |||
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"When having conversations with guys about this..i say...'if i had muscles, tattoos and a beard would you be interested in me?' They say no. Because they are straight. If I ask them..'if i answered the door and had a deep voice, walked like a guy and had mannerisms of a guy..would you be interested in me?'...many say no. Because they are straight. Some say they like willies, but not if they are attached to a guy. Maybe it is a safe way to experiment without actually meeting a guy. Most guys i see have no interest in me bonking them, and are happy that i am bottom only...and im sure they say..that its very much like meeting a girl to them. It’s very much LIKE meeting a girl... or are they actually meeting a girl? It’s either the same or it’s not, no? " Its very clear what I meant. Its the same...thats what the sentence means. | |||
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"When having conversations with guys about this..i say...'if i had muscles, tattoos and a beard would you be interested in me?' They say no. Because they are straight. If I ask them..'if i answered the door and had a deep voice, walked like a guy and had mannerisms of a guy..would you be interested in me?'...many say no. Because they are straight. Some say they like willies, but not if they are attached to a guy. Maybe it is a safe way to experiment without actually meeting a guy. Most guys i see have no interest in me bonking them, and are happy that i am bottom only...and im sure they say..that its very much like meeting a girl to them. It’s very much LIKE meeting a girl... or are they actually meeting a girl? It’s either the same or it’s not, no? Its very clear what I meant. Its the same...thats what the sentence means. " Actually it wasn't-- hence why I asked. | |||
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"Its a tricky one, but ultimately a question that doesn't need an answer. As long as people are happy, horny and fulfilled we should all just be satisfied. But if you insist on having my answer from my perspective: As a guy that regularly meets trans girls and CDs, I feel about as close to being straight as I can call myself having had sex with what some would describe as: males. The real defining answer for me personally was when a friend who I had met dressed up as a girl convinced me to meet 'him' out of character. I gave it a go, and despite him being good looking and horny, I just couldn't get in the mood and ended up letting him down a bit (if you know what I mean). He was great about it and appreciated that I was experimenting, but it proved to me that I was effectively only attracted to the female form, hence straight. In the understood definition of the word anyway. For me my attraction in trans and CDs comes from: A) the naughtiness and sexiness of the 'make believe'. Difficult to explain that one though. B) CDs and trans are, to put it bluntly, hornier, sluttier and easier to arrange than women, who to be fair probably get bombarded with messages. My answer in short, is no I don't feel gay. I am, however still secret about my activities. " I think you explained it very well and I think a lot of guys who end up with either trans/tv/cd will see themselves or give a similar explaination Also not to offend anyone, but I think the more a trans can pass, then the more the lines start to really blur. | |||
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