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"Depends on context e.g. You: All men are bastards. Me: Not all men! Valid. "  | |||
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"Generalising any gender is not acceptable." I’d say that generalising any group of people using one characteristic is not acceptable | |||
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"It's kind of a non-argument which automatically applies to any statement
LvM"If it’s a non argument, then why is it necessary to use it? | |||
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"Generalising any gender is not acceptable. I’d say that generalising any group of people using one characteristic is not acceptable " Knob heads are just knob heads though right ?  | |||
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"Depends on context e.g. You: All men are bastards. Me: Not all men! Valid. " Agreed but in the relevance of gender politics or if talking about something that ‘men’ do, then is it valid?  | |||
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"Generalising any gender is not acceptable." People who make sweeping generalisations are all knobheads. | |||
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"Generalising any gender is not acceptable. I’d say that generalising any group of people using one characteristic is not acceptable Knob heads are just knob heads though right ? "#notallknobheads | |||
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"Why do women... ? Fuck off ya cunt, I'm not women I'm me. Why do men....? Coz they're cunts "And the word of the day is..... | |||
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"Why do women... ? Fuck off ya cunt, I'm not women I'm me. Why do men....? Coz they're cunts "This proper made me chuckle | |||
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"Not all men wanted or asked for this thread.  "Cool, is the back button on your phone broken then? | |||
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"Why do women... ? Fuck off ya cunt, I'm not women I'm me. Why do men....? Coz they're cunts " | |||
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"Why do women... ? Fuck off ya cunt, I'm not women I'm me. Why do men....? Coz they're cunts
And the word of the day is..... "I think I must be due on. I could rip a mofos throat out whilst sobbing into a keg of phish food ice cream | |||
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"It's kind of a non-argument which automatically applies to any statement
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If it’s a non argument, then why is it necessary to use it? "It isn't. It's more of a meme than anything at this point
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. " This ^ | |||
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"Not all men wanted or asked for this thread.
Cool, is the back button on your phone broken then? "Haha. | |||
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. " That’s some very good mansplaining | |||
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. " That’s the point that I was driving at. Is it necessary to feel the need to defend a gender? If the comments or accusations don’t apply to you, then isn’t that enough? | |||
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. That’s some very good mansplaining "If he'd been talking to a woman who was an expert on the subject maybe. | |||
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"Obviously. Because Hitler Trevor Mcdonald and Brad Pitt are all very much alike "One of them only had one ball | |||
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"Generalising any gender is not acceptable. I’d say that generalising any group of people using one characteristic is not acceptable " I've read on another that all Virgos are "nevrotic" , haven't googled it but it doesn't sound good ... Anyway isn't that a fact then ? | |||
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. That’s some very good mansplaining "I think that’s just called explaining | |||
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"Some just like to use hashtags rather than explain their position in a debate. " That’s cause you only get 140 characters | |||
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"Generalising any gender is not acceptable. I’d say that generalising any group of people using one characteristic is not acceptable I've read on another that all Virgos are "nevrotic" , haven't googled it but it doesn't sound good ... Anyway isn't that a fact then ? " I’d put it in the maybe pile | |||
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. That’s some very good mansplaining
I think that’s just called explaining"I’m messing. | |||
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"Depends on context e.g. You: All men are bastards. Me: Not all men! Valid. Agreed but in the relevance of gender politics or if talking about something that ‘men’ do, then is it valid? "If it is something that 'men' do then saying 'not all men' seems utterly butterly.... Give me an example of 'what men do' please..... | |||
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"Some just like to use hashtags rather than explain their position in a debate. That’s cause you only get 140 characters " Way more in here | |||
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. That’s some very good mansplaining
If he'd been talking to a woman who was an expert on the subject maybe."It’s a good explanation. I doubt it would be construed as such I’m only messing. | |||
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"Some just like to use hashtags rather than explain their position in a debate. " But if they actually explain their position, then they’d have to actually debate. Far easier to hashtag and run | |||
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"Depends on context e.g. You: All men are bastards. Me: Not all men! Valid. Agreed but in the relevance of gender politics or if talking about something that ‘men’ do, then is it valid?
If it is something that 'men' do then saying 'not all men' seems utterly butterly....
Give me an example of 'what men do' please..... "Leave the toilet seat up. | |||
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"Depends on context e.g. You: All men are bastards. Me: Not all men! Valid. Agreed but in the relevance of gender politics or if talking about something that ‘men’ do, then is it valid?
If it is something that 'men' do then saying 'not all men' seems utterly butterly....
Give me an example of 'what men do' please..... "Pee from their willy | |||
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. That’s some very good mansplaining
If he'd been talking to a woman who was an expert on the subject maybe.
It’s a good explanation. I doubt it would be construed as such I’m only messing. " | |||
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. " I always think it's valid. In serious discussion that is. Not if it's just about to get jiggy or we are all out having a drink or i'm in the company of seething man haters with short fuses and long sticks...... | |||
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"Some just like to use hashtags rather than explain their position in a debate. But if they actually explain their position, then they’d have to actually debate. Far easier to hashtag and run" Precisely! | |||
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"Depends on context e.g. You: All men are bastards. Me: Not all men! Valid. Agreed but in the relevance of gender politics or if talking about something that ‘men’ do, then is it valid?
If it is something that 'men' do then saying 'not all men' seems utterly butterly....
Give me an example of 'what men do' please.....
Pee from their willy "Good Girl P.P. In this case the person who says ...... not all men ........ would be a dickhead, if it's a serious discussion that is. If it's a joke and someone is trying to win a game etc....... it's permissible to regress for the fun of it. | |||
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"Depends on context e.g. You: All men are bastards. Me: Not all men! Valid. Agreed but in the relevance of gender politics or if talking about something that ‘men’ do, then is it valid?
If it is something that 'men' do then saying 'not all men' seems utterly butterly....
Give me an example of 'what men do' please..... "Put their arm behind the headrest when reversing, actually that’s not true, I’ve seen men reverse with their hands still at ten to two on the steering wheel. | |||
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"I can't be the only one reading #notallmen as no tall men or even no tall knobheads or am i ??" I think your badger keeps staring at me. | |||
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"It's valid if someone says something like 'literally all men are evil!' However, a lot of men seem incredibly thin skinned and will respond with 'not all men' when it's really not necessary. Say the topic is something like male violence towards women - no, it's not all men, but unless someone is specifically claiming that it *is* literally all men, bringing up that fact is just distracting from the actual topic. " Do you not think it is the way online "discussion" are formulated now? You see it all over these threads. Trying to position something in text which is often and sometimes deliberately clumsily stated, to a group of complete strangers and often only stated to elicit a response and some kind of recognition or connection. | |||
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"Depends on context e.g. You: All men are bastards. Me: Not all men! Valid. Agreed but in the relevance of gender politics or if talking about something that ‘men’ do, then is it valid?
If it is something that 'men' do then saying 'not all men' seems utterly butterly....
Give me an example of 'what men do' please..... "Ok, A generality being such as ‘men commit r#pe’ is the statement ‘not all men’ necessary or is it just shifting the conversation away from the discussion of sexual violence to one of semantics? If someone red | |||
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"I can't be the only one reading #notallmen as no tall men or even no tall knobheads or am i ??" You're reminding me of an institution that had a business leaders conference / networking event that used #entrepreneursexchange. I mean, who signed off on that? | |||
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"#notallmen " Is that # Not all men or # No tall men | |||
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"All men on here lie. All women on here are narcissists. Yes it applies." So potentially you could be lying. | |||
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"All men on here lie. All women on here are narcissists. Yes it applies. So potentially you could be lying." Or you are lying about him lying. | |||
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"Depends on context e.g. You: All men are bastards. Me: Not all men! Valid. Agreed but in the relevance of gender politics or if talking about something that ‘men’ do, then is it valid?
If it is something that 'men' do then saying 'not all men' seems utterly butterly....
Give me an example of 'what men do' please.....
Ok, A generality being such as ‘men commit r#pe’ is the statement ‘not all men’ necessary or is it just shifting the conversation away from the discussion of sexual violence to one of semantics?
If someone red"In a case such as the above the response is totally unnecessary , but it's not a response i'd deal with at that point. Probably someone immature or with an agenda. Men commit grape is a fact ( no group sex jokes pls ) | |||
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"All men on here lie. All women on here are narcissists. Yes it applies. So potentially you could be lying. Or you are lying about him lying. "Ikr. | |||
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"You know ....... If someone said 'Men are raypists, I'd HAVE to say , Not all men...... Moot point really. " Absolutely, but I doubt you'd stress that point if the group discussion was a bunch of r*pe victims talking out their trauma. Time and place right? Like the much used analogy of the hypothetical dead kid's funeral where the eulogy is why the kid was special and making the perfectly valid point that all kids are special. It's a fact, but it's in poor taste to say it right then. | |||
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"All men on here lie. All women on here are narcissists. Yes it applies. So potentially you could be lying." No potential about it.i do.especially on here. | |||
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"Excellent point Moon Cat...... perfect point..... Time, place and consequence." Ah consequence... a concept that has gone missing a lot lately. | |||
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"ooops ... I did a dead horse sitter joke but thought it might go way of the mark for the outragers and moamgrabers. " Did you flog it? | |||
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"ooops ... I did a dead horse sitter joke but thought it might go way of the mark for the outragers and moamgrabers. Did you flog it?" Time , place and consequences
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"ooops ... I did a dead horse sitter joke but thought it might go way of the mark for the outragers and moamgrabers. Did you flog it? Time , place and consequences
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"You know ....... If someone said 'Men are raypists, I'd HAVE to say , Not all men...... Moot point really. Absolutely, but I doubt you'd stress that point if the group discussion was a bunch of r*pe victims talking out their trauma. Time and place right? Like the much used analogy of the hypothetical dead kid's funeral where the eulogy is why the kid was special and making the perfectly valid point that all kids are special. It's a fact, but it's in poor taste to say it right then." Is it ever necessary to say that though? It’s not just a matter of time and place, it’s a case of understanding the nature of discourse. Would you ever say to someone (to extend the analogy), whilst they were talking about their child ‘all children are special’? Why is it necessary to say “not all men” when it’s clear that it’s not all? | |||
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"ooops ... I did a dead horse sitter joke but thought it might go way of the mark for the outragers and moamgrabers. Did you flog it? Time , place and consequences
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"Namalt is the standard response to sweeping mysandristic statements as is Nawalt the same for sweeping mysongonistic statements. If the world could stop the dividing sweeping statements, the argument would be null." Or we could accept that if the statement doesn’t apply, then it’s not about us. It’s unnecessary to grandstand a response regarding how a negative statement doesn’t apply, to people who don’t know you | |||
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"You know ....... If someone said 'Men are raypists, I'd HAVE to say , Not all men...... Moot point really. Absolutely, but I doubt you'd stress that point if the group discussion was a bunch of r*pe victims talking out their trauma. Time and place right? Like the much used analogy of the hypothetical dead kid's funeral where the eulogy is why the kid was special and making the perfectly valid point that all kids are special. It's a fact, but it's in poor taste to say it right then. Is it ever necessary to say that though? It’s not just a matter of time and place, it’s a case of understanding the nature of discourse. Would you ever say to someone (to extend the analogy), whilst they were talking about their child ‘all children are special’? Why is it necessary to say “not all men” when it’s clear that it’s not all? " I'm totally with you mate. The kid analogy is ridiculous in order to point out how ridiculous it is to say not all men or all lives matter, or whatever, when a torch is being lit to combat violence. Right? Like our friend here who says all men on fab are liars, I'd happily disagree with him unless the discussion was about how men telling lies on fab has caused trauma and the prevalence of it happening was being flagged up on a thread. | |||
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"I see your point. I think it’s used to call out the people making the generalisations." I think the problem is that whilst generalisations are bad, it’s being used as a way to circumvent the actual topic of discussion. Are generalisations worse than the topic at hand? Usually no | |||
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"All men on here lie. All women on here are narcissists. Yes it applies." No it doesn't. | |||
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