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Fucking scum.
Just half hour with em... that's all I'd want.
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" Ahhh I hope your parents are ok, there are some dirty scum bags out there that will have people over either over the phone or on the door step...shocking disgusting people.  | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" Ahh man that sucks. Similar to people who post abusive things online, would they still say these things to the persons face? I think not. As long as there's distance or some screen/barrier, they'll try anything. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" I'm sorry to hear this, it seems the world is not progressing as it is built on a constant of someone somewhere gaining from anothers loss. May I ask what the issues have involved? | |||
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Just half hour with em... that's all I'd want.
There's a royal mail one going round at the mo."Trust me, after five minutes with me they'd be begging for half an hour with you as an alternative. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? Ahhh I hope your parents are ok, there are some dirty scum bags out there that will have people over either over the phone or on the door step...shocking disgusting people. "Truth | |||
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"I dont know, its despicable. I care for an elderly lady and she got scammed before Christmas. Its a bit like being robbed, a feeling of violation of their privacy, as well. It makes me angry. The only consolation was that it doesnt jyst happen to the elderly and vulnerable. Not much of a consolation though, really x" It is being robbed, there's just no physical contact. I hope it got resolved for your lady. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? Ahh man that sucks. Similar to people who post abusive things online, would they still say these things to the persons face? I think not. As long as there's distance or some screen/barrier, they'll try anything. " I doubt these people would actually break into someone's house. So much safer to do it all remotely. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? I'm sorry to hear this, it seems the world is not progressing as it is built on a constant of someone somewhere gaining from anothers loss. May I ask what the issues have involved? "Debit card details and spyware. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" I was targeted about 7 years ago but straight away, I called in the Police, who had officers from Thames Valley fraud squad with me two hours later when the scammers called again. From there, the matter was taken over by Action Fraud in conjunction with Thames Valley & about 6 months later, the gang was busted in a series of raids all over London, Glasgow and Birmingham. But the facts I learnt were staggering. It's usually all Organised Crime gangs, netting at least £1m PER WEEK, without any qualms of the misery they inflict on their victims. Some people targeted, ended up moving home. Some had to totally change their lifestyle, change bank accounts, credit cards and financial accounts. Some older people even couldn't contemplate the shame in their family or communities and were so traumatised, they committed suicide! When this gang were caught, Police found over 500,000 names and personal details of present and future targets. The worrying fact was that even with that gang locked up till their trial, a 'replacement' gang would be operating within a month, doing exactly the same all over again. | |||
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"I hope your parents are ok.these dirty disgusting scammers what the book throwing at them.it's time this government got tough and put a warning out there on tv radio newspapers the lot anybody gets caught scamming anybody gets 15 years in prison no parole no excuses no exceptions.might make these scumbags think twice." The problem is a lot of these phone call Scam gangs tend to work outside of the jurisdiction of both the UK and European legal systems, so cannot be easily traced, or even be cracked down on and closed. | |||
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"I hope your parents are ok.these dirty disgusting scammers what the book throwing at them.it's time this government got tough and put a warning out there on tv radio newspapers the lot anybody gets caught scamming anybody gets 15 years in prison no parole no excuses no exceptions.might make these scumbags think twice." The problem is that it's almost impossible to catch them. | |||
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"A lot of the callers are abroad and have limited perception of what the people here may be like. It's akin to a job for them. I get very angry and upset by how they are hurting people. " I think a lot of them believe that the people they scam can afford to lose money. | |||
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"My dad got a letter from the AA - someone has tried to use his identity to open a car insurance policy for a random Ford Fiesta. That's one I know about, I'm convinced he's been scammed before but it's difficult to get to the bottom of his finances, especially right now. " Do you find that he gets evasive if you ask him questions, almost like a teenager reluctant to admit to something? | |||
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"As a poster above has said, there must be a random number generator that will ask you to click on this particular link... I got a couple last year, one from HSBC,and Halifax, I've never had an account with eitherof them "Ace. Look at the Truecaller App as it can filter out scam or "iffy" calls. My Samsung Phone also has a built in Phone I.D. safeguard which alerts me to Potential Scam or Fraud incoming calls. | |||
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"My mum has vascular dementia but she will ask about things sometimes and question if it is the "fishy people"? This is because I have tried to explain that there are people who operate phishing scams. Having said that though it took ages to explain the text she had last week from HSBC. She doesn't bank with them. I hate watching her bottom lip wobble when she gets confused. " isn't it awful!
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"I will have to ask my mother the name of it. But there is a phone system that will only allow known numbers (pre programmed) to get through the line, any other caller has to give an announcement/introduction or reason for calling, that then plays before you decide to accept the call or not. It has cut nuisance calls dramatically for my mother and other family members. Most hang up rather than hang on to see it the call would be accepted or not. It may not completely stop all scammers trying their luck, but it may help a little. I'm sorry they've had to go though this. " Thank you. This was a pop up on their computer. | |||
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"A lot of the callers are abroad and have limited perception of what the people here may be like. It's akin to a job for them. I get very angry and upset by how they are hurting people. I think a lot of them believe that the people they scam can afford to lose money." The gang who targeted me, did so when I was working in Ascot, and living there too (but they did not know I was living in work supplied accommodation). Police said I was almost certainly selected due to my age (late 50's) and with an affluent address area. The gang wanted £25,000 out of me. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? I was targeted about 7 years ago but straight away, I called in the Police, who had officers from Thames Valley fraud squad with me two hours later when the scammers called again. From there, the matter was taken over by Action Fraud in conjunction with Thames Valley & about 6 months later, the gang was busted in a series of raids all over London, Glasgow and Birmingham. But the facts I learnt were staggering. It's usually all Organised Crime gangs, netting at least £1m PER WEEK, without any qualms of the misery they inflict on their victims. Some people targeted, ended up moving home. Some had to totally change their lifestyle, change bank accounts, credit cards and financial accounts. Some older people even couldn't contemplate the shame in their family or communities and were so traumatised, they committed suicide! When this gang were caught, Police found over 500,000 names and personal details of present and future targets. The worrying fact was that even with that gang locked up till their trial, a 'replacement' gang would be operating within a month, doing exactly the same all over again." I think a lot of people are unaware of his widespread this is | |||
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"Some of online scams are are very sly, but also believable, to people who are generally trusting. I mistrust most random emails and phone call. I ignore them as they're likely to be spam or a scam attempt. Opened an honest enough looking email from my bank not too long ago. Something about it looked amiss. The bank header logo was not in line with page. It looked bolstered over the top. I scrolled to the bottom of the page and clicked the contact us and help link. Yep, it was a picture tab only, it didn't open the link advertised and locate my banks help page. The whole front page was fabricated. Very clever though in a nasty way. They even used my name in the message header rather than the usual email name. Scumbags. Sorry to hear about this op. " Thanks | |||
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"As a poster above has said, there must be a random number generator that will ask you to click on this particular link... I got a couple last year, one from HSBC,and Halifax, I've never had an account with eitherof them "I keep being called by someone saying there's a warrant out for my arrest. I hope they send a good looking policeman  | |||
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"So sorry to hear that. My Dad has had so many scam emails, texts and calls over lockdown. Paypal... Royal Mail... various banks... HRMC... benefits... vaccine bookings. He checked with me first and I reported the emails. He somehow got charged £5 for answering some phonecall from a number he didn't recognise. Thankfully that was all. So many people are taking advantage during these tough times. It's beyond shitty "It certainly is. | |||
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"I will have to ask my mother the name of it. But there is a phone system that will only allow known numbers (pre programmed) to get through the line, any other caller has to give an announcement/introduction or reason for calling, that then plays before you decide to accept the call or not. It has cut nuisance calls dramatically for my mother and other family members. Most hang up rather than hang on to see it the call would be accepted or not. It may not completely stop all scammers trying their luck, but it may help a little. I'm sorry they've had to go though this. Thank you. This was a pop up on their computer." BT do one called callminder, other phone companies do they're own version too | |||
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"As a poster above has said, there must be a random number generator that will ask you to click on this particular link... I got a couple last year, one from HSBC,and Halifax, I've never had an account with eitherof them
I keep being called by someone saying there's a warrant out for my arrest. I hope they send a good looking policeman "Four weeks ago, I'd 6 calls in one week, all enquiring after the car accident I'd never had! I get rid of them by asking when they can organise one but have Police, Ambulance & Fire services there at the same time? Strange, I never hear from them again!  | |||
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"As a poster above has said, there must be a random number generator that will ask you to click on this particular link... I got a couple last year, one from HSBC,and Halifax, I've never had an account with eitherof them
Ace. Look at the Truecaller App as it can filter out scam or "iffy" calls.
My Samsung Phone also has a built in Phone I.D. safeguard which alerts me to Potential Scam or Fraud incoming calls."Cheers Iain, I'm wise to the word now and mostly avoid all of this bollocks, but can understand that some people are not so clued up  | |||
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"I will have to ask my mother the name of it. But there is a phone system that will only allow known numbers (pre programmed) to get through the line, any other caller has to give an announcement/introduction or reason for calling, that then plays before you decide to accept the call or not. It has cut nuisance calls dramatically for my mother and other family members. Most hang up rather than hang on to see it the call would be accepted or not. It may not completely stop all scammers trying their luck, but it may help a little. I'm sorry they've had to go though this. Thank you. This was a pop up on their computer. BT do one called callminder, other phone companies do they're own version too " Thank you | |||
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"As a poster above has said, there must be a random number generator that will ask you to click on this particular link... I got a couple last year, one from HSBC,and Halifax, I've never had an account with eitherof them
I keep being called by someone saying there's a warrant out for my arrest. I hope they send a good looking policeman
Four weeks ago, I'd 6 calls in one week, all enquiring after the car accident I'd never had!
I get rid of them by asking when they can organise one but have Police, Ambulance & Fire services there at the same time? Strange, I never hear from them again! "I just put the phone down | |||
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"As a poster above has said, there must be a random number generator that will ask you to click on this particular link... I got a couple last year, one from HSBC,and Halifax, I've never had an account with eitherof them
I keep being called by someone saying there's a warrant out for my arrest. I hope they send a good looking policeman
Four weeks ago, I'd 6 calls in one week, all enquiring after the car accident I'd never had!
I get rid of them by asking when they can organise one but have Police, Ambulance & Fire services there at the same time? Strange, I never hear from them again!
I just put the phone down"Are you aware though, they'll log their call for a return attempt, in say 3 or 6 months. They'll not give you any rest, unless you give them clear instructions, like I suggested above. | |||
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"As a poster above has said, there must be a random number generator that will ask you to click on this particular link... I got a couple last year, one from HSBC,and Halifax, I've never had an account with eitherof them
I keep being called by someone saying there's a warrant out for my arrest. I hope they send a good looking policeman
Four weeks ago, I'd 6 calls in one week, all enquiring after the car accident I'd never had!
I get rid of them by asking when they can organise one but have Police, Ambulance & Fire services there at the same time? Strange, I never hear from them again!
I just put the phone down
Are you aware though, they'll log their call for a return attempt, in say 3 or 6 months. They'll not give you any rest, unless you give them clear instructions, like I suggested above. "It's not a huge problem for me | |||
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"As a poster above has said, there must be a random number generator that will ask you to click on this particular link... I got a couple last year, one from HSBC,and Halifax, I've never had an account with eitherof them
I keep being called by someone saying there's a warrant out for my arrest. I hope they send a good looking policeman "Would you like to inspect my helmet? 
Seriously though, I had a call off an 02 number, it went to voicemail, something about my National Insurance Number  | |||
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. There is a website where you can find out what if your details are on a hacked and shared database. Don't think I can post here tho. | |||
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"Alot of the times they already have alot of information about you. Recently a crypto currency wallet user data base was shared on the dark Web, unfortunately my personal details were on this list. Name, address, telephone number, mobile no. I've never had a problem with scam calls until recently. Fortunately I was aware of the data breach and was able to string them along with my tale of losing all my money on chicken racing . There is a website where you can find out what if your details are on a hacked and shared database. Don't think I can post here tho. "Google Have I been pwned. That gives sites that can help. Not sure if that's what you're thinking of. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" Same as how people dissociate themselves from the actual person on here. It's just a profile. It says no, move onto the next one. They don't like it, they reject it in a nasty way. It's not a real person. 'It' is just sex meat. Same as 'it' is just scam meat. Hope your parents are ok and you can find a way to make them feel better. It's not their fault. Maybe child guard type internet software would help. Not because they are kids, I just mean the net nanny type software might help as it's supposed to lock stuff down. | |||
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"My dad got a letter from the AA - someone has tried to use his identity to open a car insurance policy for a random Ford Fiesta. That's one I know about, I'm convinced he's been scammed before but it's difficult to get to the bottom of his finances, especially right now. Do you find that he gets evasive if you ask him questions, almost like a teenager reluctant to admit to something?" Yes. He says he'll deal with it himself but I don't think he knows how to anymore. I'm going next weekend to look through his accounts with him. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? Same as how people dissociate themselves from the actual person on here. It's just a profile. It says no, move onto the next one. They don't like it, they reject it in a nasty way. It's not a real person. 'It' is just sex meat. Same as 'it' is just scam meat. Hope your parents are ok and you can find a way to make them feel better. It's not their fault. Maybe child guard type internet software would help. Not because they are kids, I just mean the net nanny type software might help as it's supposed to lock stuff down. "
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Just half hour with em... that's all I'd want.
There's a royal mail one going round at the mo."yea I almost got caught out by that one myself | |||
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"Meant to say that by opportunism , I meant they follow current trends and change job..... from dealing to stealing to scamming to marketing shoddy goods....... pirating...... They go where the money is. " They have no guilt, no shame, no empathy, no conscience. | |||
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"Have I told you about my poor old rich uncle that I didn’t know I had that owned a diamond mine in Africa ! " I hope you were good and sent him wonga | |||
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"Have I told you about my poor old rich uncle that I didn’t know I had that owned a diamond mine in Africa ! I hope you were good and sent him wonga" could wait to hand over my money ! Lol am still waiting though x | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" whats their address and phone number I'll make sure they don't get scammed again oh and I need your bank details just to verify  | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? I'm sorry to hear this, it seems the world is not progressing as it is built on a constant of someone somewhere gaining from anothers loss. May I ask what the issues have involved?
Debit card details and spyware."There needs to be better care for people unable to protect their details better, modern banking has been forced on people born into a different world. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" I’m so sorry this happened. Some people are just vile | |||
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"As a poster above has said, there must be a random number generator that will ask you to click on this particular link... I got a couple last year, one from HSBC,and Halifax, I've never had an account with eitherof them
I keep being called by someone saying there's a warrant out for my arrest. I hope they send a good looking policeman
Would you like to inspect my helmet?
Seriously though, I had a call off an 02 number, it went to voicemail, something about my National Insurance Number " . As long as you take down my particulars first | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? Same as how people dissociate themselves from the actual person on here. It's just a profile. It says no, move onto the next one. They don't like it, they reject it in a nasty way. It's not a real person. 'It' is just sex meat. Same as 'it' is just scam meat. Hope your parents are ok and you can find a way to make them feel better. It's not their fault. Maybe child guard type internet software would help. Not because they are kids, I just mean the net nanny type software might help as it's supposed to lock stuff down. " I agree and thank you x | |||
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"My dad got a letter from the AA - someone has tried to use his identity to open a car insurance policy for a random Ford Fiesta. That's one I know about, I'm convinced he's been scammed before but it's difficult to get to the bottom of his finances, especially right now. Do you find that he gets evasive if you ask him questions, almost like a teenager reluctant to admit to something? Yes. He says he'll deal with it himself but I don't think he knows how to anymore. I'm going next weekend to look through his accounts with him." It's very difficult because as a friend from here said to me "they're adults". Hope you can sort it out | |||
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"They are the same type of opportunist that are currently seizing pedigree dogs from their owners. The very same that that badly tarmac pensioners drives for thousands of pounds. The very same that take a sharp intake of breath when you ask how much for the dry rot to be cured. They don't give a fuck about anyone else. If you are trusting enough to not be able to see through them they consider you fair game. " True. I think with the types of scam my parents have been victims of (once by phone, once on line) it's the remote nature of the interaction that makes it easier for them to justify to themselves | |||
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"This type of scum are the personal pet hate of every police officer. Despise them. Hope the folks are ok "Yeah, they are thank you. We've sorted it all out for them | |||
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"Have I told you about my poor old rich uncle that I didn’t know I had that owned a diamond mine in Africa ! " No! Do you need money to get access to it? What's in it for me?  | |||
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"It's bloody disgusting, I'd love to have 10 minutes with them. If you haven't already get lpas done. It allows you to monitor activity on their accounts and anything suspicious you can report to the bank. As they've been robbed twice I would suspect their details have been passed around in the scum community, so may be worth informing their banks too " I'm getting lpas for my mum but my dad doesn't want to do that and that's his choice. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? whats their address and phone number I'll make sure they don't get scammed again oh and I need your bank details just to verify "I'll have them biked over along with my card and pin number | |||
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"It’s awful behaviour, however people are motivated by greed and laziness in these cases. They just can’t see a problem with taking. If they put as much effort into being honest they’d probably do very well." | |||
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"I always think I'm really clued up but I clicked a fake link on and email from "DPD" recently because I was actually expecting several parcels now that I do so much shopping online
I guess armed bank robbery is hard work."That's it in a nutshell really. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? I'm sorry to hear this, it seems the world is not progressing as it is built on a constant of someone somewhere gaining from anothers loss. May I ask what the issues have involved?
Debit card details and spyware.
There needs to be better care for people unable to protect their details better, modern banking has been forced on people born into a different world. "I'm not sure how you do protect people against this type of thing. I genuinely thought I'd warned my parents adequately | |||
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"We have had more and more of these too of late. Would say at least 6 in the past month both online , via text and on the phone. Some are quite convincing. Best policy is to hang up and do some homework. If they are genuine then they will be back in touch. If its an automated call that you aren't expecting just hang up and do not press any buttons. Always listen for dual tone when you pick up after these calls too as they often hold the line open." This wasn't a phone call but I agree there's a lot of it about | |||
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"This gets me so angry...I really hope those people get whats coming to them. I hope your parents are OK. I really feel for older folk who have no one to look out for them. It's heartbreaking to hear about. I just don't know how people can live with themselves doing shit like this." They are able to somehow dehumanise the victims think | |||
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"It's bloody disgusting, I'd love to have 10 minutes with them. If you haven't already get lpas done. It allows you to monitor activity on their accounts and anything suspicious you can report to the bank. As they've been robbed twice I would suspect their details have been passed around in the scum community, so may be worth informing their banks too I'm getting lpas for my mum but my dad doesn't want to do that and that's his choice. " Absolutely his choice. It's what I do. I would ask him to sit and listen to a professional who would happily sit down and explain the process to him without pressure. | |||
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"It's bloody disgusting, I'd love to have 10 minutes with them. If you haven't already get lpas done. It allows you to monitor activity on their accounts and anything suspicious you can report to the bank. As they've been robbed twice I would suspect their details have been passed around in the scum community, so may be worth informing their banks too I'm getting lpas for my mum but my dad doesn't want to do that and that's his choice. Absolutely his choice. It's what I do. I would ask him to sit and listen to a professional who would happily sit down and explain the process to him without pressure. " | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" Am sorry to hear that I'd be fkin demented if someone ripped mine off I've asked and asked them to get rid of the landline, but Mum won't cos she said Dad can't operate a mobile so she wants to keep it in case a 999 call is needed I come round and spend 5 or 6 hours with them every day at the minute They must get 3 or 4 'tester' phone calls every day | |||
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"There are some very good on-line resources as to how to spot scams - maybe get them to read some of those, which I know may confuse them further but may help them be more aware. This one from Which? covers the main points in fairly jargon free language: https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-to-spot-a-scam Some little tips for email scams that are worth bearing in mind: They're often addressed either generically (Dear Sir etc) or using your email address (Dear fred. bloggs@scam target.com) If you hover your mouse over any links in the email the actual web address behind the link will appear and be different from the one it purports to be (e.g. link says "HSBC Bank" but when you hover over it the URL shows as "scam-company .com") Similarly if you look at the email address it has come from (you sometimes have to click on it to see it) the "actual" email address may be different (e.g. address says "HSBC Customer Service" but the "actual" address shows as scam.merchant @ scammer .com) You also have to watch out for email addresses that at first glance appear to be ok but are slightly different - have seen addresses where a word has been inserted to the domain name part (the bit after the @) so e.g. HSBC .com might appear as cs.HSBC .com" Thanks. They're very suspicious of phone calls and emails. This was a pop up that asked them to call "Microsoft" . They aren't stupid but my mum has suffered a head injury and my dad just doesn't understand technology (and why should he). Neither of them would understand. I honestly thought I'd got it covered by telling them never to do anything concerned with the computer or someone asking for money without asking one of us. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? Am sorry to hear that I'd be fkin demented if someone ripped mine off I've asked and asked them to get rid of the landline, but Mum won't cos she said Dad can't operate a mobile so she wants to keep it in case a 999 call is needed I come round and spend 5 or 6 hours with them every day at the minute They must get 3 or 4 'tester' phone calls every day" Yep. I've finally convinced my parents that it's ok to put the phone down on these people and its not rude. | |||
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"My friend worked for almost 2 years on a fraud helpline He was absolutely amazed at what people fall for - and not just the elderly " I bet. I admit that when my mum called me I was shaking my head and silently mouthing "for fucks sake". | |||
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" Debit card details and spyware. This was a pop up on their computer. There needs to be better care for people unable to protect their details better, modern banking has been forced on people born into a different world.
I'm not sure how you do protect people against this type of thing. I genuinely thought I'd warned my parents adequately"sorry if this isnt helpful but theres no way id allow my older mother near a pc anyway age is the thing and really there not computer friendly a pop up you say well that tells me either they went onto a webpage that poped it up in the first place or your firewall is so crap its dangerous no offense here but firefox has its own pop up blocker so not a computer lets say tablet same thing really your browser is the issue if you say apple then it really shouldnt happen. the only other alternative is to use blockers on the net via your modem or use a child lock system via a pc so only those sites can be visited that means only authorised sites via there ip address you can do that with facebook, hotmail, and many other sites in the allow list. if you dont want to do this sorry its a child protecting a parent issue I presume that you helped them to get onto the net or someone connected them to it ? its really all you can do to protect them from the dangers of the internet. I would need more info before i could say any more or i could put my foot in it and right with my comments. | |||
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"I've asked and asked them to get rid of the landline, but Mum won't cos she said Dad can't operate a mobile so she wants to keep it in case a 999 call is needed I come round and spend 5 or 6 hours with them every day at the minute They must get 3 or 4 'tester' phone calls every day" Mine gets none anymore usually as ive ripped into the phone callers as I tend to be nasty dont like them and dont want them. they get nothing from me ive had the fall outs and ive ripped chunks out until its sunk in never to give details out for incoming phonecalls or press buttons on any incoming phonecalls sometimes you have to be nasty for them to remember what youve said in the first place being nice they dont tend to remember it but showing how sickened you are about what they are doing they do remember. nowadays she gives no details out so my jobs done and if she gets an odd one she puts the phone down | |||
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" Debit card details and spyware. This was a pop up on their computer. There needs to be better care for people unable to protect their details better, modern banking has been forced on people born into a different world.
I'm not sure how you do protect people against this type of thing. I genuinely thought I'd warned my parents adequately
sorry if this isnt helpful but theres no way id allow my older mother near a pc anyway
age is the thing and really there not computer friendly
a pop up you say well that tells me either they went onto a webpage that poped it up in the first place or your firewall is so crap its dangerous
no offense here but firefox has its own pop up blocker
so not a computer lets say tablet same thing really your browser is the issue if you say apple then it really shouldnt happen.
the only other alternative is to use blockers on the net via your modem or use a child lock system via a pc so only those sites can be visited
that means only authorised sites via there ip address you can do that with facebook, hotmail, and many other sites in the allow list.
if you dont want to do this sorry its a child protecting a parent issue
I presume that you helped them to get onto the net or someone connected them to it ?
its really all you can do to protect them from the dangers of the internet.
I would need more info before i could say any more or i could put my foot in it and right with my comments."Thanks for your input. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" My parents have been today. I feel sick over it. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? My parents have been today. I feel sick over it. " What happened? | |||
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"My Dad (81) has been using computers ever since they entered the banking world. He had a mobile phone at the beginning of them being a "thing". He adopted the internet immediately upon it being available in the home. That's a long time. So, he at least WAS perfectly capable of operating a computer. The problem is a) he has early dementia, b) he lives alone and c) we're in a situation where NOT being online is essentially life impacting. We live an hour away and cannot visit him often. Without his Internet enabled phone/computer, he'd be all alone at home, unable to shop for himself (no online deliveries), he'd be unable to video chat his girlfriend in Spain. He'd be unable to bank indepently because so much now relies on internet banking (which he's also had for as long as it has existed). The older generation developed the technology we rely on today. Just because they're old does not mean they cannot operate it. My Dad being a victim of identity theft (a scam) is probably because he was broken into and his bag/wallet/passport etc stolen. We helped him sort it. When a parent starts to decline mentally, physically or both, you can't simply impose yourself and tell them what to do. They're still adults and entitled to as much independence as they want/can manage." | |||
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" I can't emphasise enough that old does not equal stupid or incapable it is also no excuse to take someone's independence. Not can I emphasise enough that the victims in this are my parents, it isn't their fault or mine that criminals will take advantage of people." Exactly this - I confess to having done the eye roll on the occasions Mum would call me and ask for the "technical helpline" but I was also glad that she did rather than blindly accept anything and everything that she was sent, and knew she could come to me for advice. You just have to remember that parents of anyone over 40ish grew up in an age that was pre-computers, never mind the internet and so to an extent it is new and "different" to them. That said age isn't necessarily the factor but knowledge, anyone of any age can be caught out by a scam (whether on-line or elsewhere) which is why educating people (parents, children etc) about the dangers is key and yes being prepared to take that call that starts "I don't know what I did but..." | |||
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"The scammers are getting so good now. Devil received an email recently from one of the mobile providers. Not strictly who she is with, but her provider uses the other provider's network. That email looked so real, but because a) it was not exactly from her current mobile provider and b) she is trained in basic internet safety, she looked closer into the email before clicking on any links. On close inspection, the email address it came from was "cstomerservice", and that made her think twice. As no legitimate business would make such a spelling mistake. Everything else looked very real. " They're very sophisticated in many respects but then so many criminals are. | |||
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" I can't emphasise enough that old does not equal stupid or incapable it is also no excuse to take someone's independence. Not can I emphasise enough that the victims in this are my parents, it isn't their fault or mine that criminals will take advantage of people. Exactly this - I confess to having done the eye roll on the occasions Mum would call me and ask for the "technical helpline" but I was also glad that she did rather than blindly accept anything and everything that she was sent, and knew she could come to me for advice. You just have to remember that parents of anyone over 40ish grew up in an age that was pre-computers, never mind the internet and so to an extent it is new and "different" to them. That said age isn't necessarily the factor but knowledge, anyone of any age can be caught out by a scam (whether on-line or elsewhere) which is why educating people (parents, children etc) about the dangers is key and yes being prepared to take that call that starts "I don't know what I did but..." " Oh my eyes rolled to the back of my head and often do but the day will come when our kids will be standing in their kitchens doing exactly the same about us. Nobody should be complacent. | |||
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"OP I really know how you feel. My 83 year old mum was robbed for the third time a while ago, this time it was 'professional' landscape gardeners cold calling at her door on an old people's mobile home site (would you believe!). My mum is an old fashioned, too nice, would help anyone type of person. She believes everything everyone says. This time they made off with £1700 while they distracted her by asking for a cup of tea. I would gladly pull the trigger. " The poor thing. | |||
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"My dad got a letter from the AA - someone has tried to use his identity to open a car insurance policy for a random Ford Fiesta. That's one I know about, I'm convinced he's been scammed before but it's difficult to get to the bottom of his finances, especially right now. Do you find that he gets evasive if you ask him questions, almost like a teenager reluctant to admit to something?" I think a lot of people would be like that if they were scammed. We have the same issue with the MIL where I think because of her age group ( not far from your Mum and Dad ) they trusted people more, so always like to believe what people are saying. Trying to get through to her that not everyone who knocks on her door or rings her up are actually nice people is very hard In answer to your question though, we watched a programme once on the scammers, they actually said they don't actually care that they are scamming peoples money, they don't think of it as a person on the end of the phone and would just accept it if someone scammed one of their own....cold hard people they were. | |||
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"My dad got a letter from the AA - someone has tried to use his identity to open a car insurance policy for a random Ford Fiesta. That's one I know about, I'm convinced he's been scammed before but it's difficult to get to the bottom of his finances, especially right now. Do you find that he gets evasive if you ask him questions, almost like a teenager reluctant to admit to something? I think a lot of people would be like that if they were scammed. We have the same issue with the MIL where I think because of her age group ( not far from your Mum and Dad ) they trusted people more, so always like to believe what people are saying. Trying to get through to her that not everyone who knocks on her door or rings her up are actually nice people is very hard In answer to your question though, we watched a programme once on the scammers, they actually said they don't actually care that they are scamming peoples money, they don't think of it as a person on the end of the phone and would just accept it if someone scammed one of their own....cold hard people they were." Yeah it is difficult to get them to understand that not everyone is trustworthy. We've just accepted that we're never going to get to the bottom of it but the bank want certain details in order to get their money back and them evading questions just isn't helping. But, they're adults and we can only advise. Scammers or any criminal really just don't care. I saw a program about burglars once, they interviewed a guy who used to leave a massive poo on the floor. When they asked him why he basically shrugged his shoulders and said he needed to go so he went. He just didn't care. | |||
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"They're currently suspended for obvious reasons, but a lot of community organisations run computer skills courses for older people, and otherwise try to warn people against known scams. It might be worth seeing if relatives are interested in such groups, for these and other reasons." My dad has done several courses in the community and run by the bank. I have spent hours with them both and they each have a little note book with detailed step by step instructions in them. The thing is that courses are all well and good but like everything unless you practice it constantly you forget and if you only know the basics you can't deal with anything out of the ordinary. They're both now in the position of having no local branch of their bank, no internet access and a forty minute wait to speak to someone on the phone. It really is impossible | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person?" If they are getting scammed by calls to a BT home phone, I would recommend getting a "BT premium call blocking" handset. They have BT call screening option.They can be set so that anyone calling who is not on your contact lists, must press hash and give their name in order to be connected. You can then choose whether to take the call or not I was getting about 4 scam calls a day before I got mine last Saturday. I haven't had a single one since then. They can Bluetooth connect to a mobile to synchronise contacts and can also block up to 1000 numbers. | |||
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"My parents were scammed last Friday, for the second time. They're old, there are a lot of things about the modern world they don't understand and this makes them vulnerable. I think one of the worst things about it is how unsafe it makes them feel. I was going to ask why people do it but I know it's greed. How do these people look at themselves in the mirror? Is it because it's usually by phone and they aren't actually looking their victim in the eye, so they find it easy to dissociate themselves from the actual person? If they are getting scammed by calls to a BT home phone, I would recommend getting a "BT premium call blocking" handset. They have BT call screening option.They can be set so that anyone calling who is not on your contact lists, must press hash and give their name in order to be connected. You can then choose whether to take the call or not I was getting about 4 scam calls a day before I got mine last Saturday. I haven't had a single one since then. They can Bluetooth connect to a mobile to synchronise contacts and can also block up to 1000 numbers. " Thank you. | |||
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