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"Independent reporting that life in England is so shite that many asylum seekers are risking their lives to go back to Europe.. " They actually said "shite".?. | |||
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"Independent reporting that life in England is so shite that many asylum seekers are risking their lives to go back to Europe.. They actually said "shite".?." I believe the quote was (verbatim): "Eeee by gum! Has tha seen how shite it is owwer there? A'hm buggerin' reet back from whence I came wi' my old pal Fred 'ere" True story. | |||
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"Independent reporting that life in England is so shite that many asylum seekers are risking their lives to go back to Europe.. They actually said "shite".?. I believe the quote was (verbatim): "Eeee by gum! Has tha seen how shite it is owwer there? A'hm buggerin' reet back from whence I came wi' my old pal Fred 'ere" True story. " 'Appen it did, chook | |||
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"Independent reporting that life in England is so shite that many asylum seekers are risking their lives to go back to Europe.. They actually said "shite".?. I believe the quote was (verbatim): "Eeee by gum! Has tha seen how shite it is owwer there? A'hm buggerin' reet back from whence I came wi' my old pal Fred 'ere" True story. "  | |||
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"Independent reporting that life in England is so shite that many asylum seekers are risking their lives to go back to Europe.. " Bit of detail wouldn't go amiss before you post your mad shite https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylum-seekers-europe-barracks-home-office-uk-b1797553.html | |||
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"How do you say "shite" in farsi? Google translate is unclear. " Just pull a suitable face 
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"How do you say "shite" in farsi? Google translate is unclear. Just pull a suitable face
Universal language "It'd save a lot of money on IELTS tests. We all speak mime  No need for immigrants to learn English | |||
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"How do you say "shite" in farsi? Google translate is unclear. Just pull a suitable face
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It'd save a lot of money on IELTS tests. We all speak mime No need for immigrants to learn English"Ahhhhhhhh IELTS. My favourite little green bits of paper | |||
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Oh I dunno. I heard blowing a raspberry in Syria is wholly and deeply offensive. I wouldn't trust body language. "Does blowing a raspberry make it's styles stand on end? | |||
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It'd save a lot of money on IELTS tests. We all speak mime No need for immigrants to learn English
Ahhhhhhhh IELTS. My favourite little green bits of paper " I wouldn't know. Exemption  | |||
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Ahhhhhhhh IELTS. My favourite little green bits of paper
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"Independent reporting that life in England is so shite that many asylum seekers are risking their lives to go back to Europe.. " No bed of roses in Scotland either. | |||
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"OP, I’ve noticed you are rather despondent about Britain in your posts. A few years living in most parts of the world would make you rather more appreciative of it and to see that it really is rather admired still. That has been my experience. There is no one as harsh on Britain as a Brit. I am talking about generally, of course, not specific micro cases of a few people’s opinions." That's you told Tom! | |||
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"OP, I’ve noticed you are rather despondent about Britain in your posts. A few years living in most parts of the world would make you rather more appreciative of it and to see that it really is rather admired still. That has been my experience. There is no one as harsh on Britain as a Brit. I am talking about generally, of course, not specific micro cases of a few people’s opinions. That's you told Tom! "I don’t mean to lecture. He is entitled to his opinion, of course. I’m simply saying that Britain isn’t anywhere near as bad as certain newspapers portray it to be here. It’s not perfect and no nation is but in general, the foreigners I know who are living here, albeit temporarily, love it here and are in awe of the advantages we have here, like free healthcare for a start, amongst many many other things. These are people who are here for the sole purpose of putting their children through our well known boarding schools, which is an enormous ‘export’ as it contributes billions in terms of the fees, tuition, housing, insurance, etc that these families pay into the economy without taking a penny from it. If the UK is ‘shit’, why is half the world still competing fiercely to get into our world renowned schools and universities? This is my own personal experience of this issue alone, here, now. | |||
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"OP, I’ve noticed you are rather despondent about Britain in your posts. A few years living in most parts of the world would make you rather more appreciative of it and to see that it really is rather admired still. That has been my experience. There is no one as harsh on Britain as a Brit. I am talking about generally, of course, not specific micro cases of a few people’s opinions. That's you told Tom!
I don’t mean to lecture. He is entitled to his opinion, of course. I’m simply saying that Britain isn’t anywhere near as bad as certain newspapers portray it to be here. It’s not perfect and no nation is but in general, the foreigners I know who are living here, albeit temporarily, love it here and are in awe of the advantages we have here, like free healthcare for a start, amongst many many other things. These are people who are here for the sole purpose of putting their children through our well known boarding schools, which is an enormous ‘export’ as it contributes billions in terms of the fees, tuition, housing, insurance, etc that these families pay into the economy without taking a penny from it.
If the UK is ‘shit’, why is half the world still competing fiercely to get into our world renowned schools and universities? This is my own personal experience of this issue alone, here, now."That's me told too
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"OP, I’ve noticed you are rather despondent about Britain in your posts. A few years living in most parts of the world would make you rather more appreciative of it and to see that it really is rather admired still. That has been my experience. There is no one as harsh on Britain as a Brit. I am talking about generally, of course, not specific micro cases of a few people’s opinions. That's you told Tom!
I don’t mean to lecture. He is entitled to his opinion, of course. I’m simply saying that Britain isn’t anywhere near as bad as certain newspapers portray it to be here. It’s not perfect and no nation is but in general, the foreigners I know who are living here, albeit temporarily, love it here and are in awe of the advantages we have here, like free healthcare for a start, amongst many many other things. These are people who are here for the sole purpose of putting their children through our well known boarding schools, which is an enormous ‘export’ as it contributes billions in terms of the fees, tuition, housing, insurance, etc that these families pay into the economy without taking a penny from it.
If the UK is ‘shit’, why is half the world still competing fiercely to get into our world renowned schools and universities? This is my own personal experience of this issue alone, here, now.
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Does every discussion really need to be so black and white? I love a bit of grey myself - like a silver fox of a conversation. True flexible open discussion and learning as opposed to conflicting "opinions" based in our limited personal worldly experience "You may have misunderstood me. I am not telling you nor the OP anything in the way that you mean it. I am giving my observation of life in England as being not quite as bad as the article might suggest. It is neither black or white, simply an opinion amongst others and my own experience and observation living abroad and now in the UK. I was merely citing an example of my observation. It is simply to offer a balanced view. Perhaps I have misunderstood Forum etiquette. Are we supposed to go along with the OP’s opinions if we want to post in a thread? I’m not quite sure what you mean by ‘black and white’. | |||
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" You may have misunderstood me. I am not telling you nor the OP anything in the way that you mean it. I am giving my observation of life in England as being not quite as bad as the article might suggest. It is neither black or white, simply an opinion amongst others and my own experience and observation living abroad and now in the UK. I was merely citing an example of my observation. It is simply to offer a balanced view. Perhaps I have misunderstood Forum etiquette. Are we supposed to go along with the OP’s opinions if we want to post in a thread? I’m not quite sure what you mean by ‘black and white’." You've misunderstood nothing, friend. Welcome to the madhouse. | |||
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"Well in my own clumbsy way I was paraphrasing an article that I read in the Independent. Of course I am not as eloquent as many on here. The story for me is one of dashed dreams. Economic migrants risking life to get here then finding that the English garden of Roses is more a English hedge of thorns. Life in an army camp riddled with Covid and time to try your luck elsewhere. Do I think that England is shite? No. Do I think there are better places to live in England than others? Hell yes.. Whitby for one. Harrogate another, York etc. Some other places less desirable for me such as London... can't stand the place... But those who risk all get here then risk all to get back.. an interesting story even if it's only one or two leaving but as we know.. you can't keep everyone happy... " I agree that in their circumstance, it is awful. Their expectations of what they would receive here is not what they had been led to believe. It is a matter of dashed hopes and dreams and very sad. | |||
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"Well in my own clumbsy way I was paraphrasing an article that I read in the Independent. Of course I am not as eloquent as many on here. The story for me is one of dashed dreams. Economic migrants risking life to get here then finding that the English garden of Roses is more a English hedge of thorns. Life in an army camp riddled with Covid and time to try your luck elsewhere. Do I think that England is shite? No. Do I think there are better places to live in England than others? Hell yes.. Whitby for one. Harrogate another, York etc. Some other places less desirable for me such as London... can't stand the place... But those who risk all get here then risk all to get back.. an interesting story even if it's only one or two leaving but as we know.. you can't keep everyone happy... " It's sad but often the grass is greener..... There are lovely places in England and others not so great.  | |||
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"I think that some migrants fall for the old “streets paved with gold” myth and when the reality of working in some illegal sweat shop or for an illegal gang master. Then to top it all, living 5 to a room in some dodgy converted HMO or similar hits home then maybe they do wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze. " Quite so. It would be the same has they stayed behind perhaps but they believed that could ‘make it’. It’s awful when you see a family risking their lives to get across the Channel and you can only hope that they can ‘make it’. I am a firm believer in immigration. A nation stagnates and stifles when it remains insular. I have seen this in Asia where they have had exclusion policies only to be desperately reversing them now in order to become more competitive on a global platform. I have seen children of Vietnamese ‘boat prople’ who are politicians, bankers, lawyers, doctors, etc in Australia now. | |||
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" I am a firm believer in immigration. A nation stagnates and stifles when it remains insular. I have seen this in Asia where they have had exclusion policies only to be desperately reversing them now in order to become more competitive on a global platform. I have seen children of Vietnamese ‘boat prople’ who are politicians, bankers, lawyers, doctors, etc in Australia now." Quite so. If we (and of course, other nations anywhere) did not have immigration, we would miss out culturally and biologically in the long term. A gene pool that remains static, becomes weaker over time and our species’ history has been punctuated by many episodes of migration and genetic exchange. | |||
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"Exactly.. where would the English be without the Welsh.." says he just before the Rugby starts | |||
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"Exactly.. where would the English be without the Welsh.. says he just before the Rugby starts "Well England need at least one team to beat.. that's were we come in.. apart from World Cup group games of course | |||
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"I think that some migrants fall for the old “streets paved with gold” myth and when the reality of working in some illegal sweat shop or for an illegal gang master. Then to top it all, living 5 to a room in some dodgy converted HMO or similar hits home then maybe they do wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze. Quite so. It would be the same has they stayed behind perhaps but they believed that could ‘make it’. It’s awful when you see a family risking their lives to get across the Channel and you can only hope that they can ‘make it’. I am a firm believer in immigration. A nation stagnates and stifles when it remains insular. I have seen this in Asia where they have had exclusion policies only to be desperately reversing them now in order to become more competitive on a global platform. I have seen children of Vietnamese ‘boat prople’ who are politicians, bankers, lawyers, doctors, etc in Australia now." My job involves educating many such young people. It is extremely rewarding. | |||
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"My job involves educating many such young people. It is extremely rewarding. " Well done! | |||
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"OP, I’ve noticed you are rather despondent about Britain in your posts. A few years living in most parts of the world would make you rather more appreciative of it and to see that it really is rather admired still. That has been my experience. There is no one as harsh on Britain as a Brit. I am talking about generally, of course, not specific micro cases of a few people’s opinions. That's you told Tom!
I don’t mean to lecture. He is entitled to his opinion, of course. I’m simply saying that Britain isn’t anywhere near as bad as certain newspapers portray it to be here. It’s not perfect and no nation is but in general, the foreigners I know who are living here, albeit temporarily, love it here and are in awe of the advantages we have here, like free healthcare for a start, amongst many many other things. These are people who are here for the sole purpose of putting their children through our well known boarding schools, which is an enormous ‘export’ as it contributes billions in terms of the fees, tuition, housing, insurance, etc that these families pay into the economy without taking a penny from it.
If the UK is ‘shit’, why is half the world still competing fiercely to get into our world renowned schools and universities? This is my own personal experience of this issue alone, here, now.
That's me told too
Does every discussion really need to be so black and white? I love a bit of grey myself - like a silver fox of a conversation. True flexible open discussion and learning as opposed to conflicting "opinions" based in our limited personal worldly experience
You may have misunderstood me. I am not telling you nor the OP anything in the way that you mean it. I am giving my observation of life in England as being not quite as bad as the article might suggest. It is neither black or white, simply an opinion amongst others and my own experience and observation living abroad and now in the UK. I was merely citing an example of my observation. It is simply to offer a balanced view.
Perhaps I have misunderstood Forum etiquette. Are we supposed to go along with the OP’s opinions if we want to post in a thread? I’m not quite sure what you mean by ‘black and white’."Crossed wires I guess fella. As far as I'm concerned there is no forum etiquette although some folk will no doubt hold differing views on that subject. I honestly believe people will judge others on the etiquette, approach and motivation they display as individuals rather those imposed invisibly by the fab cooperative. Welcome to fab though and enjoy the forum | |||
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it’s not oz it’s a real place with difficult situations going on. We are very lucky to be born here. I’ve never known a Scottish man getting on a boat for asylum in Syria | |||
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"So asylum seekers put life’s there own life’s at risk to come here then they decide it’s not as good as they thought it’s not oz it’s a real place with difficult situations going on. We are very lucky to be born here. I’ve never known a Scottish man getting on a boat for asylum in Syria "Why is it that the poor Scots & Welsh don’t migrate to England? | |||
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"So asylum seekers put life’s there own life’s at risk to come here then they decide it’s not as good as they thought it’s not oz it’s a real place with difficult situations going on. We are very lucky to be born here. I’ve never known a Scottish man getting on a boat for asylum in Syria
Why is it that the poor Scots & Welsh don’t migrate to England?"Some do buy driving down a motorway and some English go the other way dependant on jobs, love, running away from Walsall  | |||
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"Well it's interesting that the union of England Scotland and Northern Ireland may fall.. and perhaps we will see Scotland join the EU and England remain out. I imagine that being an economic migrant fleeing war torn France may find a more desirable life in Scotland. Jungle camps form south of Hadrian's wall.. Cumbrian Police turning a blind eye to those crossing the wall into Scotland and a pop star apologising to those in the camp on behalf of Scotland.. 2084... Mark my Words" 2084? We’ll all be eaten by sharks or whatever other doom-laden picture you painted for us long before that. If I make it to 3 o’clock I’ll be amazed | |||
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"And when they realise that it's cold, wet and full of midges they will risk cutting their knees to cross Hadrian's wall once again.." I’m happy with that. I heard wee Nicola has already started a wall. At least you guys won’t need a dingy to get home | |||
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"And when they realise that it's cold, wet and full of midges they will risk cutting their knees to cross Hadrian's wall once again.. I’m happy with that. I heard wee Nicola has already started a wall. At least you guys won’t need a dingy to get home " Scotland will build a wall and the English will pay for it.. | |||
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"And when they realise that it's cold, wet and full of midges they will risk cutting their knees to cross Hadrian's wall once again.. I’m happy with that. I heard wee Nicola has already started a wall. At least you guys won’t need a dingy to get home Scotland will build a wall and the English will pay for it.." Even better | |||
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"And when they realise that it's cold, wet and full of midges they will risk cutting their knees to cross Hadrian's wall once again.. I’m happy with that. I heard wee Nicola has already started a wall. At least you guys won’t need a dingy to get home Scotland will build a wall and the English will pay for it.." Why not. We pay for everything else up there........ | |||
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"And when they realise that it's cold, wet and full of midges they will risk cutting their knees to cross Hadrian's wall once again.. I’m happy with that. I heard wee Nicola has already started a wall. At least you guys won’t need a dingy to get home Scotland will build a wall and the English will pay for it.. Why not. We pay for everything else up there........" Lol so the people who live in Scotland don’t pay taxes? We have 5 million people England have 60 million. I don’t go down the route of generalising nations of people as through experience you meet nice and not so nice people wherever you go. I didn’t even vote for wee Nicola although she has done well through corona virus | |||
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"And when they realise that it's cold, wet and full of midges they will risk cutting their knees to cross Hadrian's wall once again.. I’m happy with that. I heard wee Nicola has already started a wall. At least you guys won’t need a dingy to get home Scotland will build a wall and the English will pay for it.. Why not. We pay for everything else up there........ Lol so the people who live in Scotland don’t pay taxes? We have 5 million people England have 60 million. I don’t go down the route of generalising nations of people as through experience you meet nice and not so nice people wherever you go. I didn’t even vote for wee Nicola although she has done well through corona virus " It was kinda tongue in cheek chap | |||
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"And when they realise that it's cold, wet and full of midges they will risk cutting their knees to cross Hadrian's wall once again.. I’m happy with that. I heard wee Nicola has already started a wall. At least you guys won’t need a dingy to get home Scotland will build a wall and the English will pay for it.. Why not. We pay for everything else up there........ Lol so the people who live in Scotland don’t pay taxes? We have 5 million people England have 60 million. I don’t go down the route of generalising nations of people as through experience you meet nice and not so nice people wherever you go. I didn’t even vote for wee Nicola although she has done well through corona virus It was kinda tongue in cheek chap "I know mate | |||
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"Independent reporting that life in England is so shite that many asylum seekers are risking their lives to go back to Europe.. Bit of detail wouldn't go amiss before you post your mad shite https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylum-seekers-europe-barracks-home-office-uk-b1797553.html" You would think a humane gmnt would actually be appalled by that. | |||
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"Did the independent mention their source? How many asylum seekers?" I'm guessing they probably didnt want to be named. | |||
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"And when they realise that it's cold, wet and full of midges they will risk cutting their knees to cross Hadrian's wall once again.. I’m happy with that. I heard wee Nicola has already started a wall. At least you guys won’t need a dingy to get home Scotland will build a wall and the English will pay for it.. Why not. We pay for everything else up there........ Lol so the people who live in Scotland don’t pay taxes? We have 5 million people England have 60 million. I don’t go down the route of generalising nations of people as through experience you meet nice and not so nice people wherever you go. I didn’t even vote for wee Nicola although she has done well through corona virus It was kinda tongue in cheek chap
I know mate "I can never work out what is worse. Having one of the Krankies in charge or one of the chuckle brother, makes no odds, as Robin Williams said Politics: “Poli” a Latin word meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures". | |||
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"And when they realise that it's cold, wet and full of midges they will risk cutting their knees to cross Hadrian's wall once again.. I’m happy with that. I heard wee Nicola has already started a wall. At least you guys won’t need a dingy to get home Scotland will build a wall and the English will pay for it.. Why not. We pay for everything else up there........ Lol so the people who live in Scotland don’t pay taxes? We have 5 million people England have 60 million. I don’t go down the route of generalising nations of people as through experience you meet nice and not so nice people wherever you go. I didn’t even vote for wee Nicola although she has done well through corona virus It was kinda tongue in cheek chap
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I can never work out what is worse. Having one of the Krankies in charge or one of the chuckle brother, makes no odds, as Robin Williams said
Politics: “Poli” a Latin word meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures"."Although I wouldn’t want to do there job. A worldwide pandemic hits and everyone expects them to just know what to do. Even if you do something well it’s never going to suit everyone | |||
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"Did the independent mention their source? How many asylum seekers? I'm guessing they probably didnt want to be named." I am guessing that it was probably just person and the papers exaggerated as usual... | |||
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"Did the independent mention their source? How many asylum seekers? I'm guessing they probably didnt want to be named. I am guessing that it was probably just person and the papers exaggerated as usual... " Course they did Thomas The independent is renowned for its sensationalist and inaccurate reporting. | |||
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"1.2 million workers from overseas have gone back home in the pandemic, 700,000 from the greater London area alone.. Mostly down to no work as hospitality, retail etc has closed down.. They'll be back.. "It’s the same in mainland europe so where are they going to? Isle of Man | |||
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"1.2 million workers from overseas have gone back home in the pandemic, 700,000 from the greater London area alone.. Mostly down to no work as hospitality, retail etc has closed down.. They'll be back..
It’s the same in mainland europe so where are they going to? Isle of Man "Home to families, bit of a global thing.. Some Aussies are still waiting to get home.. | |||
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"1.2 million workers from overseas have gone back home in the pandemic, 700,000 from the greater London area alone.. Mostly down to no work as hospitality, retail etc has closed down.. They'll be back..
It’s the same in mainland europe so where are they going to? Isle of Man
Home to families, bit of a global thing..
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" Politics: “Poli” a Latin word meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures"." Politika is the origin of the word "politics = "affairs of the city" | |||
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"OP, I’ve noticed you are rather despondent about Britain in your posts. A few years living in most parts of the world would make you rather more appreciative of it and to see that it really is rather admired still. That has been my experience. There is no one as harsh on Britain as a Brit. I am talking about generally, of course, not specific micro cases of a few people’s opinions. That's you told Tom!
I don’t mean to lecture. He is entitled to his opinion, of course. I’m simply saying that Britain isn’t anywhere near as bad as certain newspapers portray it to be here. It’s not perfect and no nation is but in general, the foreigners I know who are living here, albeit temporarily, love it here and are in awe of the advantages we have here, like free healthcare for a start, amongst many many other things. These are people who are here for the sole purpose of putting their children through our well known boarding schools, which is an enormous ‘export’ as it contributes billions in terms of the fees, tuition, housing, insurance, etc that these families pay into the economy without taking a penny from it.
If the UK is ‘shit’, why is half the world still competing fiercely to get into our world renowned schools and universities? This is my own personal experience of this issue alone, here, now.
That's me told too
Does every discussion really need to be so black and white? I love a bit of grey myself - like a silver fox of a conversation. True flexible open discussion and learning as opposed to conflicting "opinions" based in our limited personal worldly experience
You may have misunderstood me. I am not telling you nor the OP anything in the way that you mean it. I am giving my observation of life in England as being not quite as bad as the article might suggest. It is neither black or white, simply an opinion amongst others and my own experience and observation living abroad and now in the UK. I was merely citing an example of my observation. It is simply to offer a balanced view.
Perhaps I have misunderstood Forum etiquette. Are we supposed to go along with the OP’s opinions if we want to post in a thread? I’m not quite sure what you mean by ‘black and white’.
Crossed wires I guess fella. As far as I'm concerned there is no forum etiquette although some folk will no doubt hold differing views on that subject. I honestly believe people will judge others on the etiquette, approach and motivation they display as individuals rather those imposed invisibly by the fab cooperative.
Welcome to fab though and enjoy the forum " . Seriously, you’re starting to make me nervous (I say with a little nervous chuckle) Fab cooperative? Some folk? (Gulp)
Not to worry, there is always some form of ‘etiquette’ when groups gather. It’s natural. How we let it manifest is something we need be mindful of, I suppose. I’ll get the hang of it in time. Thanks for the welcome. | |||
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"OP, I’ve noticed you are rather despondent about Britain in your posts. A few years living in most parts of the world would make you rather more appreciative of it and to see that it really is rather admired still. That has been my experience. There is no one as harsh on Britain as a Brit. I am talking about generally, of course, not specific micro cases of a few people’s opinions." I have to agree with you there. | |||
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"So asylum seekers put life’s there own life’s at risk to come here then they decide it’s not as good as they thought it’s not oz it’s a real place with difficult situations going on. We are very lucky to be born here. I’ve never known a Scottish man getting on a boat for asylum in Syria
Why is it that the poor Scots & Welsh don’t migrate to England?"James VI of Scotland invaded England in 1603. Why Nicola Sturgeon and her cohorts are fighting to ‘leave’, I have no idea? | |||
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"Did the independent mention their source? How many asylum seekers? I'm guessing they probably didnt want to be named. I am guessing that it was probably just person and the papers exaggerated as usual... " I have personal experience of how journalists make up facts when they can’t get a source. I was questioned about a personal matter relating to a prominent family at a wake, no less!! Journalists pretending to be family friends to attend and asking questions but being turned away. When no one talked to them, most reported what they knew but one national broadsheet included completely nonsensical facts with diagrams showing ‘what happened’!!! ?????? it was all from the reporters’ imagination and utter fantasy. It wasn’t even logical. | |||
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