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"We all have flaws and insecurities to some extent or another - how comfortable are you with your own? Are they something you consciously work on or just an inevitable part of who you are? Are you able to be open about those? For me, I think my overthinking is my biggest flaw and definitely the most grating one, for myself and others. I'm a work in progress and for the most part I do well but some days it kicks in again, the endless lockdown doesn't help in that concern. And yes, it's navel-gazing, I'm embracing that." Without your flaws you wouldn't be you, nobbly bits and all. And as many will say on the forums, we like ya just as you are x | |||
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"I am fully aware of my faults and hate them haha" Do you ever try and change them Lil? Or are they something you accept as being part of you so no point trying to? | |||
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" And yes, it's navel-gazing, I'm embracing that. Without your flaws you wouldn't be you, nobbly bits and all. And as many will say on the forums, we like ya just as you are x" Aaww thank you but that is because you get the far more tolerable Meli. The real me is even more insufferable than I am on here Besides, I wanted to hear how others view things their twuntery. It's a welcome distraction to things. | |||
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"We all have flaws and insecurities to some extent or another - how comfortable are you with your own? Are they something you consciously work on or just an inevitable part of who you are? Are you able to be open about those? For me, I think my overthinking is my biggest flaw and definitely the most grating one, for myself and others. I'm a work in progress and for the most part I do well but some days it kicks in again, the endless lockdown doesn't help in that concern. And yes, it's navel-gazing, I'm embracing that." Great thread - and definitely worth thinking about from time to time. I would like to add the perception of flaws is often based upon what others think or what we assume they think, whether it is about character traits or physical appearance. I have found that the older I become the less I worry about how I look or come across when I meet new people. I try to be respectful and kind to others. I guess I have grown to accept myself for who I am. Does not mean I will not question myself from time to time! After all, we are human. | |||
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"We all have flaws... Nah. " You're channelling the energy of Kravitz through that sexy nose ring, of course you wouldn't have flaws. | |||
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"I would say that overthinking is my fatal flaw as well, as it affects so many areas of my life and of my interactions. It's also the thing that adds to my insecurities, physical, emotional and mental. I do work on the negative thoughts, and these days try to hear the positive thoughts better, along with positive comments, but even that adds to the overthinking. So I'm just hoping that one day the overthinking becomes more positive a thing in my life I guess." The positives are definitely worth listening to. I sometimes stop myself when I'm about to start a daft line of thinking by reading something to the contrary, that can help a lot. I hope it does become a positive part of your life, x | |||
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"I don’t particularly work on them these days, When I become aware of something I usually engage in dialogue with my inner audience to find out what is going on from different perspectives and then see what I need to integrate. It doesn’t feel like work anymore, more play. However if I find something deeply repressed then a bit of cathartic work usually does the trick. I also have a few thought experiments I use as well to gain perspective quickly on emotional stuff." Isn't that psychologically and emotionally tiring? | |||
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"I never think about flaws. If someone asked me what mine were I would say I don't have any. I look at myself through my eyes, not someone else's." Be weird if you looked at you through another pair of eyes, dunno how that would work. | |||
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"Honestly it depends on what's going on in my life at the time... So yeah, I do overthink and sometimes it's really unhealthy. " I understand this - certain times I'm an utter 'mare and a simple sentence leads me down the overthinking path, it's not particularly healthy at all. The next time you find yourself starting on a negative stream of consciousness, you can always message me P P! And cook something nice instead. | |||
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"I never think about flaws. If someone asked me what mine were I would say I don't have any. I look at myself through my eyes, not someone else's." Yes, I do that too. It might account for my completely unrealistic impression of myself. | |||
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"I don’t particularly work on them these days, When I become aware of something I usually engage in dialogue with my inner audience to find out what is going on from different perspectives and then see what I need to integrate. It doesn’t feel like work anymore, more play. However if I find something deeply repressed then a bit of cathartic work usually does the trick. I also have a few thought experiments I use as well to gain perspective quickly on emotional stuff. Isn't that psychologically and emotionally tiring? " Nah. It was 26 years ago when I began, now it’s just part of a way of being. | |||
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"I would say that overthinking is my fatal flaw as well, as it affects so many areas of my life and of my interactions. It's also the thing that adds to my insecurities, physical, emotional and mental. I do work on the negative thoughts, and these days try to hear the positive thoughts better, along with positive comments, but even that adds to the overthinking. So I'm just hoping that one day the overthinking becomes more positive a thing in my life I guess." You will get there in your own time hopefully xxx | |||
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"Honestly it depends on what's going on in my life at the time... So yeah, I do overthink and sometimes it's really unhealthy. I understand this - certain times I'm an utter 'mare and a simple sentence leads me down the overthinking path, it's not particularly healthy at all. The next time you find yourself starting on a negative stream of consciousness, you can always message me P P! And cook something nice instead. " You can teach me about cheeses and foods I've never heard of. | |||
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"No one person is perfect. I have numerous flaws that I see in myself and I'm sure others could point out several others. Does it make me a bad person not really. I'm embracing being adequate at thd moment, and that's kind of enough. Doesn't mean I don't have bad days etc but if I take the average of me being me I'm adequate and that's good enough for me. Not entirely sure that makes sense? But it does to me " It makes perfect sense Frida. I've been trying to frame it in that way today. Most of the time I'm not too shabby. If I have a bad day every now and again, I'm going to stop beating myself up about it because the average me on the whole is pretty darn awesome and I'm certain the same is true for you. | |||
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"If anything I tend to underthink OP. I've not even really given this reply much thought. " Bollocks. You would have spent a good twenty minutes composing this ensuring it had just the right amount of nonchalance. P.S Good to see your avatar. | |||
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"If anything I tend to underthink OP. I've not even really given this reply much thought. Draft #247 " Very Nonchalant | |||
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"Can’t believe I haven’t got a reply and quote for my Voltaire quote, last time I read about history and stuff. " He was a paedophile. | |||
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"I think that my biggest flaw, if it can be counted as one and it probably can is not thinking enough about my possible flaws. I seem to coast through life imagining that I'll do." I don't know if that's a flaw, I think it's a fantastic attitude and one I need to foster. I might start doing memos with "you'll do" over my mirrors. | |||
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"I don’t view overthinking as a flaw. Uninformed decision making is, so acting on an assumption can be the wrong thing to do. Other than that, I am happy with who I am. I have done a lot of soul searching and self analysis so know most of my flaws and am fascinated when I learn or discover something new about how or why I behave in certain ways. The Johari Window is good for learning about yourself." I've never heard about the Johari Window! I'm very happy I have something new to learn about this evening, thank you. | |||
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"The Johari Window is good for learning about yourself." I can see Floella!* *niche reference for the over 40s | |||
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"We all have flaws and insecurities to some extent or another - how comfortable are you with your own? Are they something you consciously work on or just an inevitable part of who you are? Are you able to be open about those? For me, I think my overthinking is my biggest flaw and definitely the most grating one, for myself and others. I'm a work in progress and for the most part I do well but some days it kicks in again, the endless lockdown doesn't help in that concern. And yes, it's navel-gazing, I'm embracing that." I’m aware of my flaws, some I know cannot be changed and some I’ve actively tried to and believe progress has been made | |||
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"I’m a complete narcissist, no that can’t be right cause narcissist’s don’t recognise they’re own Narcissism, so I can’t be one, but wait, if I think I can’t be one then maybe I am. As Voltaire once said ‘Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one.’" Oh this is so funny. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Please stop City, my kegels aren't strong enough for this amazingness. P.S I am touched you went through the effort of Googling a Voltaire quote for my thread, thank you. | |||
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"I think that my biggest flaw, if it can be counted as one and it probably can is not thinking enough about my possible flaws. I seem to coast through life imagining that I'll do. I don't know if that's a flaw, I think it's a fantastic attitude and one I need to foster. I might start doing memos with "you'll do" over my mirrors." It doesn't half get on people's nerves | |||
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"I’m a complete narcissist, no that can’t be right cause narcissist’s don’t recognise they’re own Narcissism, so I can’t be one, but wait, if I think I can’t be one then maybe I am. As Voltaire once said ‘Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one.’ Oh this is so funny. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Please stop City, my kegels aren't strong enough for this amazingness. P.S I am touched you went through the effort of Googling a Voltaire quote for my thread, thank you." This sounds totally genuine, I will take this at face value and not presume there’s any ridicule or scoffing here whatsoever, because that would be a flaw she didn’t mention. | |||
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"My physical flaws I've long since accepted , no issue there . My main if you like , mental or emotional flaws are usually targeted at myself anyway so that nobody else gets hurt by them . But I've give my head a wobble and kicked myself up the arse and I know I'm better than the self inflicted crap I've bought upon myself . If that made sense good luck " It did make sense Slim, a lot of sense. You can't really wallow in self pity and there's this habit of making things a Big Thing. What if your flaws aren't actually that important and you get on with life without indulging in self pity? | |||
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"My physical flaws I've long since accepted , no issue there . My main if you like , mental or emotional flaws are usually targeted at myself anyway so that nobody else gets hurt by them . But I've give my head a wobble and kicked myself up the arse and I know I'm better than the self inflicted crap I've bought upon myself . If that made sense good luck It did make sense Slim, a lot of sense. You can't really wallow in self pity and there's this habit of making things a Big Thing. What if your flaws aren't actually that important and you get on with life without indulging in self pity?" Exactly, that is now my aim Meli , thankyou x | |||
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"I’m in a permanent state of transformation and growth, I journal, observe my thoughts and examine triggers/reactions. That sounds really boring, but part of my growth is to just be, and to just allow so, I do that too " Do you meditate H? | |||
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"I think that my biggest flaw, if it can be counted as one and it probably can is not thinking enough about my possible flaws. I seem to coast through life imagining that I'll do. I don't know if that's a flaw, I think it's a fantastic attitude and one I need to foster. I might start doing memos with "you'll do" over my mirrors. It doesn't half get on people's nerves " Sod it. You're never going to please everyone and removing that worry of trying to do so must be freeing. Not nitpicking at yourself because you're happy with who you are. I think it's a great attitude and yeah, I love myself most of the time but that should change to all the time. It's a good way to be Nicecouple. | |||
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"I’m in a permanent state of transformation and growth, I journal, observe my thoughts and examine triggers/reactions. That sounds really boring, but part of my growth is to just be, and to just allow so, I do that too Do you meditate H?" In my own special way, yes | |||
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"I’m in a permanent state of transformation and growth, I journal, observe my thoughts and examine triggers/reactions. That sounds really boring, but part of my growth is to just be, and to just allow so, I do that too Do you meditate H? In my own special way, yes " | |||
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"I never think about flaws. If someone asked me what mine were I would say I don't have any. I look at myself through my eyes, not someone else's. Be weird if you looked at you through another pair of eyes, dunno how that would work. " Do I have to womansplain it to you CJ? | |||
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"Just waiting for some people to turn up and say they haven’t got any flaws, then I can tick off my lists of things I predict will get said and by whom. " I've already said it | |||
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"Just waiting for some people to turn up and say they haven’t got any flaws, then I can tick off my lists of things I predict will get said and by whom. I've already said it " I didn’t predict you saying it, this has come as quite a shock. | |||
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"We all have flaws and insecurities to some extent or another - how comfortable are you with your own? Are they something you consciously work on or just an inevitable part of who you are? Are you able to be open about those? For me, I think my overthinking is my biggest flaw and definitely the most grating one, for myself and others. I'm a work in progress and for the most part I do well but some days it kicks in again, the endless lockdown doesn't help in that concern. And yes, it's navel-gazing, I'm embracing that." Most people aren’t strong enough even to be self aware of them so any form of awareness or working on them puts you in the minority. Someone asked me recently , but how do you know you’re aware of “all”your faults and weaknesses. Good question, only by reflecting/journaling and asking for 360 will you know. I work on flaws and manage weaknesses, it’s a normal part of life | |||
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"Yes I’m aware of my numerous flaws. I’m not really keen to do anything about them because they’re just like a mark on a clean piece of paper. They show I’ve been through life and I’ve not been left untouched by things that have happened to me. Whether that be depression, failed romances, death, etc. The experiences (and subsequent flaws) are what made me who I am today, which is generally a nice person, just with a few issues (trust issues mostly) and I am prone to navel gazing which I think is caused by anxiety - I over think everything and catastrophes. I also have control issues and have to micro manage everything but I think that is my way of dealing with my personal situation and home life. But other than that I’m fine " You are fine Luna. We don't need to be clean sheets of paper, there's nothing wrong with a bit of a smudge or a slightly crumpled edge (I'm on a roll with the paper analogy clearly). Overthinking does lead to catastrophizing, sometimes I do the And Then What game if I'm in an odd mood, where you repeatedly say and then what until you realise how absurd your being. It's like a quick self wobble. | |||
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"Just waiting for some people to turn up and say they haven’t got any flaws, then I can tick off my lists of things I predict will get said and by whom. I've already said it I didn’t predict you saying it, this has come as quite a shock. " You think you know someone eh... | |||
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"Just waiting for some people to turn up and say they haven’t got any flaws, then I can tick off my lists of things I predict will get said and by whom. " Well I was an easy guess to be fair so you only get half a star for that. | |||
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"I'm not sure my flaws matter as I live alone so there is no one around to disappoint. I love my own space and prefer not to feel judged or compromise. I keep time spent with others short so its fun and not enough time for personality differences and difficulties to affect anyone." This, I’m gone before I start getting on anyones tits or they start getting on mine. | |||
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" Most people aren’t strong enough even to be self aware of them so any form of awareness or working on them puts you in the minority. Someone asked me recently , but how do you know you’re aware of “all”your faults and weaknesses. Good question, only by reflecting/journaling and asking for 360 will you know. I work on flaws and manage weaknesses, it’s a normal part of life " Aww thanks! Sometimes you can be too aware of them though can't you? I don't view my friends as a composition of their flaws, I don't really register them. For me to work on them I should probably stop giving as much of a f*** about them and spend that energy on positive thoughts. No one else really cares about them as much as I do because I have boobs and a great voice. Does journaling work? | |||
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"My main flaw is I don’t share thoughts and feelings. Although I’m quite good at listening, talking and helping others through their issues I struggle with the reverse. I’ve always been of the mindset if someone can’t solve the problem, then there is no point sharing it. It is something I’m trying to work on and do share some stuff with a couple of people, but I know I hold back to.... I’m not sure if that will ever change. I’ve got a strong filing cabinet in my head, write it down, get it out and then lock it away - that’s my way " I could have written this! That’s me too. Plus stubborn so fucking stubborn! | |||
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"My main flaw is I don’t share thoughts and feelings. Although I’m quite good at listening, talking and helping others through their issues I struggle with the reverse. I’ve always been of the mindset if someone can’t solve the problem, then there is no point sharing it. It is something I’m trying to work on and do share some stuff with a couple of people, but I know I hold back to.... I’m not sure if that will ever change. I’ve got a strong filing cabinet in my head, write it down, get it out and then lock it away - that’s my way I could have written this! That’s me too. Plus stubborn so fucking stubborn!" I left out stubborn, one flaw sharing is enough | |||
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"I'm always overthinking and I have very low self esteem and I am very critical of myself. It's a constant battle and I do try to tackle my issues, but my flaws definitely stop me from living my life in ways. It has always been a work in progress and I am probably better now than I've ever been, but there is still such a long way to go. I thought once I became a mother none of this would matter anymore, but it's so much worse now. I have an extra person to worry about, more fears and I feel like I kind of lost myself somewhere along the way. Are these flaws? I'm not sure but they seem like it to me. I'm still amazing though." Love your honesty. You are amazing | |||
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" I’ve got a strong filing cabinet in my head, write it down, get it out and then lock it away - that’s my way " That’s a great way to describe it Spurs and very much the same here. Although mines a bit more of a heavy weight safe rather than a filing cabinet | |||
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" Most people aren’t strong enough even to be self aware of them so any form of awareness or working on them puts you in the minority. Someone asked me recently , but how do you know you’re aware of “all”your faults and weaknesses. Good question, only by reflecting/journaling and asking for 360 will you know. I work on flaws and manage weaknesses, it’s a normal part of life Aww thanks! Sometimes you can be too aware of them though can't you? I don't view my friends as a composition of their flaws, I don't really register them. For me to work on them I should probably stop giving as much of a f*** about them and spend that energy on positive thoughts. No one else really cares about them as much as I do because I have boobs and a great voice. Does journaling work? " Because you choose your friends on their great qualities and accept the flaws. Only work on what you want to work on for you, not anyone else. Journaling...yeah..even if you don’t write much, it’s active reflection. What went well , not so well , was I a cunt today etc | |||
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"For me its body insecurities. Weve been together a long time and know I turn him on and he loves my curves. But if chatting I always say I'm a bbw so if they're not into bigger girls they know. I'm much better in club settings as x" Body worries can be a bugger. I hope the clubs reopen soonish and you can work on your confidence, sometimes it's about getting out there. Also a good cocking works wonders. | |||
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"I'm always overthinking and I have very low self esteem and I am very critical of myself. It's a constant battle and I do try to tackle my issues, but my flaws definitely stop me from living my life in ways. It has always been a work in progress and I am probably better now than I've ever been, but there is still such a long way to go. I thought once I became a mother none of this would matter anymore, but it's so much worse now. I have an extra person to worry about, more fears and I feel like I kind of lost myself somewhere along the way. Are these flaws? I'm not sure but they seem like it to me. I'm still amazing though." You are amazing Lemmy. I have no doubt that one day you'll find yourself again and actually live life. Maybe overthinking isn't a flaw and coining it as such makes it seem far worse than it is, maybe if it was a quirk we'd be kinder to ourselves. Once lockdown is lifted I'm not going to allow doubt and overthinking to stop me doing what I want, it's a dull and pointless take on life. | |||
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"I don't overthink and rarely second guess." I'll pop you in the no flaws group Chilly. | |||
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"I'm always overthinking and I have very low self esteem and I am very critical of myself. It's a constant battle and I do try to tackle my issues, but my flaws definitely stop me from living my life in ways. It has always been a work in progress and I am probably better now than I've ever been, but there is still such a long way to go. I thought once I became a mother none of this would matter anymore, but it's so much worse now. I have an extra person to worry about, more fears and I feel like I kind of lost myself somewhere along the way. Are these flaws? I'm not sure but they seem like it to me. I'm still amazing though. You are amazing Lemmy. I have no doubt that one day you'll find yourself again and actually live life. Maybe overthinking isn't a flaw and coining it as such makes it seem far worse than it is, maybe if it was a quirk we'd be kinder to ourselves. Once lockdown is lifted I'm not going to allow doubt and overthinking to stop me doing what I want, it's a dull and pointless take on life." Oh Meli thank you for being so lovely. I know I'll get there again someday, but it feels so far away right now but I think so many relate to that right now because of Covid, it feels like we are all on hold. You're so right though, it is pointless and dull to let these things interfere with life. And if we were to die tomorrow we would think why did we let these worthless and often trivial flaws take from our lives? I need to be more fuck it in my approach, but man it's tough sometimes. | |||
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"Meli! You did a thread. I’m so proud. Yes. I am a human and so are you. I overthink just as much as the next human as you already know. Now can I see your quim please?" You're proud of me? Chuffed. So chuffed. All I want is your approval Samuel. We are both humans, very good point well made. Your overthinking helps me feel normal, if even a bearded Adonis like yourself can do so it can't be that bad. I would say yes to the quim but we both know lockdown is not over so I'll not give you false hope. You're welcome in advance associate. x | |||
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"Meli! You did a thread. I’m so proud. Yes. I am a human and so are you. I overthink just as much as the next human as you already know. Now can I see your quim please? You're proud of me? Chuffed. So chuffed. All I want is your approval Samuel. We are both humans, very good point well made. Your overthinking helps me feel normal, if even a bearded Adonis like yourself can do so it can't be that bad. I would say yes to the quim but we both know lockdown is not over so I'll not give you false hope. You're welcome in advance associate. x" Bearded Adonis... that’s almost a compliment I think. Are you alright? Did your armpit hair waft over the keyboard as you typed and the result was a typo for Anus. | |||
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"Meli! You did a thread. I’m so proud. Yes. I am a human and so are you. I overthink just as much as the next human as you already know. Now can I see your quim please? You're proud of me? Chuffed. So chuffed. All I want is your approval Samuel. We are both humans, very good point well made. Your overthinking helps me feel normal, if even a bearded Adonis like yourself can do so it can't be that bad. I would say yes to the quim but we both know lockdown is not over so I'll not give you false hope. You're welcome in advance associate. x Bearded Adonis... that’s almost a compliment I think. Are you alright? Did your armpit hair waft over the keyboard as you typed and the result was a typo for Anus." You're not a bearded anus to me Tender, you're an Adonis of a man with the overthinking of a champion. | |||
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"Dearest Meli I harbour lots of insecurities, some mental, some emotional, some physical Some days they get me down more than others I am not scared of them, I don't hide them or deny them, infact, some of them should be celebrated After all, they make me who I am I like who I am I am well rounded in more than one way I understand that some people want to work at themselves I have done, but not as a conscious decision, it has been more of a journey as opposed to a crusade I am happy to just 'be'; to accept 'me' and to like 'me' I think finding that inner peace is important, but some of that isn't found through working at it, it just becomes part of our personal evolution If anyone has the ability to be their best, it's you Don't sweat it Bussy x" Thank you Bussy for the candid honesty, it means a lot. And the lovely things you've said as well, they mean just as much. And thank you to everyone who took their time to reply to this thread, even if I didn't respond. It's been interesting, helpful, amusing and comforting to read the varied responses. For all the negatives cited about the forum, sometimes it's really not that bad a place to be. x | |||
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"Ahhhhh my biggest flaw currently is being a rubbish forum reader - I nearly missed the excitement of a thread by Meli! Late to the party, but I've been framing flaws in a more positive way recently - as just part of who I am. I think we can be much harder on ourselves than with others. Would I say to a friend "oh you have this flaw, and that flaw"? So why do we do it to ourselves? I have become more comfortable with myself the older I get, and also more self-aware (a lifelong work in progress!) I know how I can be and sometimes I annoy myself with falling into particular patterns of behaviour, but rather than fighting myself just being aware of it can help. This doesn't mean I act like a total arsewipe and justify it to myself. More that I'm kinder and more accepting of myself than previously. To quote a frequent forum phrase "I don't care what others think of me", I think that's rarely true. The way we view ourselves and the way others view us can often differ. I think both are valid in creating an honest picture of who we are. We all have our blind spots about ourselves that can be very hard to see. Mrs kf x " Your biggest flaw is you keep changing your username, you’ll always be Mrs Twist my Nipples to me, now change it back again cause it’s spinning me out! | |||
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"Ahhhhh my biggest flaw currently is being a rubbish forum reader - I nearly missed the excitement of a thread by Meli! Late to the party, but I've been framing flaws in a more positive way recently - as just part of who I am. I think we can be much harder on ourselves than with others. Would I say to a friend "oh you have this flaw, and that flaw"? So why do we do it to ourselves? I have become more comfortable with myself the older I get, and also more self-aware (a lifelong work in progress!) I know how I can be and sometimes I annoy myself with falling into particular patterns of behaviour, but rather than fighting myself just being aware of it can help. This doesn't mean I act like a total arsewipe and justify it to myself. More that I'm kinder and more accepting of myself than previously. To quote a frequent forum phrase "I don't care what others think of me", I think that's rarely true. The way we view ourselves and the way others view us can often differ. I think both are valid in creating an honest picture of who we are. We all have our blind spots about ourselves that can be very hard to see. Mrs kf x Your biggest flaw is you keep changing your username, you’ll always be Mrs Twist my Nipples to me, now change it back again cause it’s spinning me out! " Shan't. You're one to talk! | |||
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"Ahhhhh my biggest flaw currently is being a rubbish forum reader - I nearly missed the excitement of a thread by Meli! Late to the party, but I've been framing flaws in a more positive way recently - as just part of who I am. I think we can be much harder on ourselves than with others. Would I say to a friend "oh you have this flaw, and that flaw"? So why do we do it to ourselves? I have become more comfortable with myself the older I get, and also more self-aware (a lifelong work in progress!) I know how I can be and sometimes I annoy myself with falling into particular patterns of behaviour, but rather than fighting myself just being aware of it can help. This doesn't mean I act like a total arsewipe and justify it to myself. More that I'm kinder and more accepting of myself than previously. To quote a frequent forum phrase "I don't care what others think of me", I think that's rarely true. The way we view ourselves and the way others view us can often differ. I think both are valid in creating an honest picture of who we are. We all have our blind spots about ourselves that can be very hard to see. Mrs kf x " You posted on my thread! The urge to fangirl is strong. You should be far kinder and more accepting of yourself Mrs kf - you're a fantastic woman with an unmatched knowledge of specialist online bakeries. We are nicer to our friends aren't we? Today I've woken up feeling very positive, ebullient even and I'm stopping the negative framing. In a month there will be a repeat of this thread undoubtedly. | |||
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