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By *ex-a-frolics OP   Couple
over a year ago

Brizzle

If you change the Cambelt I understand you should change the water pump at the same time, Is that true in reverse?

Our car is making a noise & told it’s the water pump, my garage says when you do that you should do the cam belt kit, is that correct?

I believe the water pump & cambelt are somewhat connected.

In simple layman’s terms is my garage doing what’s needed?

Many thanks.

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By *heelsmanMan
over a year ago

Wokingham

Need the specifics of the car, make model engine year, as each one can be different.

Its normally called 'while you are in there', as in while you have bits off the car, you might as well change other bit associated with them, saves on costs later.

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By *ohnny2006Man
over a year ago

worcester


"If you change the Cambelt I understand you should change the water pump at the same time, Is that true in reverse?

Our car is making a noise & told it’s the water pump, my garage says when you do that you should do the cam belt kit, is that correct?

I believe the water pump & cambelt are somewhat connected.

In simple layman’s terms is my garage doing what’s needed?

Many thanks.

"

You don't do the water pump because you are doing the cam belt but you DO change the cam belt if you're doing the water pump if that makes sense?

Its because you are paying for lots of labour so you might as well do the cam belt while you are in there. A cam belt costs virtually nothing but the labour is a lot. As you're paying for the labour anyway you'd be mad not to do the cam belt too.

FYI if the cam belt breaks your car might as well be scrapped.

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By *heelsmanMan
over a year ago

Wokingham

P.S. product knowledge e.g. make model etc. is needed to give good advice, which I can't give as I don't do general servicing, but hopefully someone who does will chip in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All depends on what car and engine it is if the water pump is run off the cam belt then you change them together

If the pump is run off the drive belt you don’t need to change the cam belt

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By *heelsmanMan
over a year ago

Wokingham


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You don't do the water pump because you are doing the cam belt but you DO change the cam belt if you're doing the water pump if that makes sense?

Its because you are paying for lots of labour so you might as well do the cam belt while you are in there. A cam belt costs virtually nothing but the labour is a lot. As you're paying for the labour anyway you'd be mad not to do the cam belt too.

FYI if the cam belt breaks your car might as well be scrapped."

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Thats not completely true, as on some cars the work/hours involved in changing a cam belt makes it viable to also change the water pump at the same time, I know, as I own such a car, hence the specific make model etc knowledge needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Cambelt kits can be expensive. The majority of Renault belt kits are about the 150 pound range.

If you’d like to give details about the vehicle I can find out for you.

People are right in the concept that they are in the same area and labour costs mean it may be advantageous to change the timing (cam) belt at the same time, but it’s not always necessary.

If you were to go that route if I’m there so may as well get that done too then odds are you’ll want to change the auxiliary drive belt too.

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By *iscreet-is-paramountMan
over a year ago

travel around a lot.

Ok, some cars use the water pump for either belt tension or it's driven from it. If you need a new pump, then matey is correct in that you change everything associated with it. Belt, pump, idlers and pensioners etc. It's a ballache on most cars now, so yes, swap it all "while your in there ". 150 to 200 is nothing, if an idler or belt goes, engines usually fucked.

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By *iscreet-is-paramountMan
over a year ago

travel around a lot.

Mistake, pensioners arnt easily obtained and I'm not sure if there's VAT on them......but tensioners, well, that's different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"If you change the Cambelt I understand you should change the water pump at the same time, Is that true in reverse?

Our car is making a noise & told it’s the water pump, my garage says when you do that you should do the cam belt kit, is that correct?

I believe the water pump & cambelt are somewhat connected.

In simple layman’s terms is my garage doing what’s needed?

Many thanks.

"

i think you are asking if you are being 'ripped off' by the garage undertaking extra work. in my opinion, you are not being ripped off. it is entirely usual to replace the belt, water pump and any belt tensioner pulleys as a kit.

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Again, at face value it sounds as though you might as well do the cam belt at the same time.

Unless it's been done recently, and can be proven to have been changed, it's probably a false economy not to do it now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Usually its the waterpump or tensioner that fails not the belt itself. May aswell do the lot.

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By *iveralandssklpMan
over a year ago

Turkey

Never changed the cambelt when I changed the water pump on my MK 1 Escort.

But always changed the condeser with the points

On a serious note it makes economic sense to chang ebelt and tensioner while the water pump is changed

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Hope you’ve gone to a good independent garage? Not the dealer or ‘stealer’ or indeed the likes of Halfords.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the WP is cambelt driven then you’d be changing it whilst doing said cambelt.

Otherwise it’s a bit like changing your socks without removing your shoes

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By *heelsmanMan
over a year ago

Wokingham


"If the WP is cambelt driven then you’d be changing it whilst doing said cambelt.

Otherwise it’s a bit like changing your socks without removing your shoes "

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Come on, keep up at the back, its the waterpump thats being changed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the WP is cambelt driven then you’d be changing it whilst doing said cambelt.

Otherwise it’s a bit like changing your socks without removing your shoes

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Come on, keep up at the back, its the waterpump thats being changed!"

Soo your point is ? Depends whether it’s alt or cambelt driven ?

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By *ex-a-frolics OP   Couple
over a year ago

Brizzle


"If the WP is cambelt driven then you’d be changing it whilst doing said cambelt.

Otherwise it’s a bit like changing your socks without removing your shoes

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Come on, keep up at the back, its the waterpump thats being changed!"

Ok might be a change of plan hopefully, having had a conversation with my garage.

Anybody who says that doing the cam belt at the same time as the water pump is correct, my garage says while you’re they’re it’s a no brainier not to do it.

What’s changed is he’s heard the noise that I thought was water pump & reckons it’s the clutch bearing, so they will do the clutch first (I know it needs doing as it’s not working right) & then go from there.

If the noise stops then then the water pumps okay. The cars is a Citroen C3 Picasso & has a FSH so will check it’s had a cambelt, it had done 75000 when we bought it so imagine it’s been done, if so we’ve only done 20000 so it won’t need replacing.

Lastly would the clutch bearing make a noise even when idling?

Many thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now days yeah it's recommend older cars and I mean pre 80 not a problem.I always change belt and tensioner when doing water pump and vice versa so for once a garage is trying to help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the WP is cambelt driven then you’d be changing it whilst doing said cambelt.

Otherwise it’s a bit like changing your socks without removing your shoes

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Come on, keep up at the back, its the waterpump thats being changed!

Ok might be a change of plan hopefully, having had a conversation with my garage.

Anybody who says that doing the cam belt at the same time as the water pump is correct, my garage says while you’re they’re it’s a no brainier not to do it.

What’s changed is he’s heard the noise that I thought was water pump & reckons it’s the clutch bearing, so they will do the clutch first (I know it needs doing as it’s not working right) & then go from there.

If the noise stops then then the water pumps okay. The cars is a Citroen C3 Picasso & has a FSH so will check it’s had a cambelt, it had done 75000 when we bought it so imagine it’s been done, if so we’ve only done 20000 so it won’t need replacing.

Lastly would the clutch bearing make a noise even when idling?

Many thanks. "
again not sure on manufacturers advise some go 10 yrs 120000 before they need a change I'd say with the milage your close.

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By *ex-a-frolics OP   Couple
over a year ago

Brizzle

Thanks again for all your suggestions, if we were keeping the car I wouldn’t mind so much but planning to part ex for a van so it’s dead money for us. Having said that with loads of issues we’d get next to nothing for it, although I doubt our selling price would reflect the money spent.

Lastly would the clutch bearing make an awful noise when idling???

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By *tIckXXXMan
over a year ago

Basildon


"Thanks again for all your suggestions, if we were keeping the car I wouldn’t mind so much but planning to part ex for a van so it’s dead money for us. Having said that with loads of issues we’d get next to nothing for it, although I doubt our selling price would reflect the money spent.

Lastly would the clutch bearing make an awful noise when idling???"

The thrust bearing on the clutch can make a constant noise when idling, yes. The noise usually gets worse when the clutch pedal is put to the floor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thanks again for all your suggestions, if we were keeping the car I wouldn’t mind so much but planning to part ex for a van so it’s dead money for us. Having said that with loads of issues we’d get next to nothing for it, although I doubt our selling price would reflect the money spent.

Lastly would the clutch bearing make an awful noise when idling???

The thrust bearing on the clutch can make a constant noise when idling, yes. The noise usually gets worse when the clutch pedal is put to the floor"
usually gets quieter you mean

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By *ex-a-frolics OP   Couple
over a year ago

Brizzle


"Thanks again for all your suggestions, if we were keeping the car I wouldn’t mind so much but planning to part ex for a van so it’s dead money for us. Having said that with loads of issues we’d get next to nothing for it, although I doubt our selling price would reflect the money spent.

Lastly would the clutch bearing make an awful noise when idling???

The thrust bearing on the clutch can make a constant noise when idling, yes. The noise usually gets worse when the clutch pedal is put to the floor"

Thanks very much that’s good news in a way, if they replace the clutch & the noise disappears then the water pump should be ok & then the cambelt won’t need doing, unless the service record says otherwise??

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