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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble

Coming from the big smoke but Now Living in rural wales I have found the welsh friendly but do notice they will converse in English and welsh between each other in shops etc when I’m in their company often wonder if they do it when I’m not there and if their saying something they don’t want me to know ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't take it personally, a lot of smaller communities in Wales speak Welsh predominantly and are also very proud of it. People seem to think Welsh is a dying language, it really isn't

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

Learn it and then you'll know for sure. I had to learn it when I went to school in Cardiff... Have forgotten it all now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Coming from the big smoke but Now Living in rural wales I have found the welsh friendly but do notice they will converse in English and welsh between each other in shops etc when I’m in their company often wonder if they do it when I’m not there and if their saying something they don’t want me to know ? "

I thought this the first time Wolf took me to his family’s village. Have to remember that Welsh is the first language for a lot of welsh people (especially in the north). His step auntie barely speaks a word of English so she’ll always talk in Welsh even if I’m not in the room. Please don’t think they’re doing it to exclude you

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I lived on Anglesey for a year or so some years back and absolutely loved the sound of Welsh. I never felt excluded even when they spoke amongst each other - if I looked quizzical (like a lot of the time) they translated. Loved my time with the Welsh people - it was real fun!

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By *irty PrettyWoman
over a year ago

Cardiff

Would you think the same if you lived in France and heard people speaking in French?

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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble


"Don't take it personally, a lot of smaller communities in Wales speak Welsh predominantly and are also very proud of it. People seem to think Welsh is a dying language, it really isn't

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Yes respect that just wonders if they use the language all the time or do they slip into English now and again between themselves. I do speak fluent French actually and can see a lot of similarities I might actually take some classes when corona permits

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales

Definitely even more so in North and West wales... it’s not always being rude it’s often that welsh is their first language and you get a combination of both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't take it personally, a lot of smaller communities in Wales speak Welsh predominantly and are also very proud of it. People seem to think Welsh is a dying language, it really isn't

Yes respect that just wonders if they use the language all the time or do they slip into English now and again between themselves. I do speak fluent French actually and can see a lot of similarities I might actually take some classes when corona permits"

There are also words that don't have a Welsh equivalent so the English word is all that can be used so it can be a mixture sometimes

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

The others already said it, but Welsh is the first language of many people in rural North Wales and yes, people speak it in the shops etc. Welsh borrows quite a few words from English, so you will also hear bits you might understand within the Welsh.

Why not learn the language? It's not that hard, pretty well phonetic once you know the alphabet and pronunciation rules and you can learn online etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a Welsh speaker I will always start a conversation in Welsh however there is a phenomenon known as wenglish where I will have a conversation with a fellow Welsh speaker and easily and with out thinking about it turn to English and back again! Even mid sentence

Weird I know lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't take it personally, a lot of smaller communities in Wales speak Welsh predominantly and are also very proud of it. People seem to think Welsh is a dying language, it really isn't

Yes respect that just wonders if they use the language all the time or do they slip into English now and again between themselves. I do speak fluent French actually and can see a lot of similarities I might actually take some classes when corona permits"

Not when conversing between themselves no. My Mum was first language Welsh and spoke to me in Welsh the majority of the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s the same here in Devon, if you go to local shops in small villages here you often find they still speak in fluent Devonian, although it’s slowly dying out, I’m not fluent but I can pick up the gist of what they’re saying. To the untrained ear it sounds like total jibberish.

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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble


"Would you think the same if you lived in France and heard people speaking in French?"

To be honest I visit France a lot and English is slowly becoming their second language you would be surprised how many french are now fluent in English especially the younger generation but they don’t slip in and out of English and french like the Welsh do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The others already said it, but Welsh is the first language of many people in rural North Wales and yes, people speak it in the shops etc. Welsh borrows quite a few words from English, so you will also hear bits you might understand within the Welsh.

Why not learn the language? It's not that hard, pretty well phonetic once you know the alphabet and pronunciation rules and you can learn online etc."

The hard bit for me is the pronunciation, but the OP speaks French so shouldn’t have a problem with the phonetics of it. I really struggled with it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I might actually take some classes when corona permits"

Download Duolingo - they have a Welsh course on there

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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble


"It’s the same here in Devon, if you go to local shops in small villages here you often find they still speak in fluent Devonian, although it’s slowly dying out, I’m not fluent but I can pick up the gist of what they’re saying. To the untrained ear it sounds like total jibberish.

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Well I learned something new today I never knew Devon had its own language x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you played the Welsh version of scrabble, I scored 9,000,000,000 points

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s the same here in Devon, if you go to local shops in small villages here you often find they still speak in fluent Devonian, although it’s slowly dying out, I’m not fluent but I can pick up the gist of what they’re saying. To the untrained ear it sounds like total jibberish.

Well I learned something new today I never knew Devon had its own language x"

Very much so, so does Cornwall, but I have no idea what them are saying, probably still banging on about scones, jam and cream.

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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble


"The others already said it, but Welsh is the first language of many people in rural North Wales and yes, people speak it in the shops etc. Welsh borrows quite a few words from English, so you will also hear bits you might understand within the Welsh.

Why not learn the language? It's not that hard, pretty well phonetic once you know the alphabet and pronunciation rules and you can learn online etc.

The hard bit for me is the pronunciation, but the OP speaks French so shouldn’t have a problem with the phonetics of it. I really struggled with it! "

I do pronounce places In wales much differently now I live here So yes the phonetics would be easy to grasp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s the same here in Devon, if you go to local shops in small villages here you often find they still speak in fluent Devonian, although it’s slowly dying out, I’m not fluent but I can pick up the gist of what they’re saying. To the untrained ear it sounds like total jibberish.

Well I learned something new today I never knew Devon had its own language x

Very much so, so does Cornwall, but I have no idea what them are saying, probably still banging on about scones, jam and cream. "

Not sure if it’s technically a language but Stoke has what’s called ‘potteries dialect’ and it’s absolutely fascinating!

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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble


"It’s the same here in Devon, if you go to local shops in small villages here you often find they still speak in fluent Devonian, although it’s slowly dying out, I’m not fluent but I can pick up the gist of what they’re saying. To the untrained ear it sounds like total jibberish.

Well I learned something new today I never knew Devon had its own language x

Very much so, so does Cornwall, but I have no idea what them are saying, probably still banging on about scones, jam and cream.

Not sure if it’s technically a language but Stoke has what’s called ‘potteries dialect’ and it’s absolutely fascinating! "

Like “hey up duck”?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a Welsh speaker I will always start a conversation in Welsh however there is a phenomenon known as wenglish where I will have a conversation with a fellow Welsh speaker and easily and with out thinking about it turn to English and back again! Even mid sentence

Weird I know lol"

Yup, and I can speak in English yet think in Welsh.

If I'm emotional or angry then Welsh overrides English

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By *isAdventure69Woman
over a year ago

Hampshire


"Coming from the big smoke but Now Living in rural wales I have found the welsh friendly but do notice they will converse in English and welsh between each other in shops etc when I’m in their company often wonder if they do it when I’m not there and if their saying something they don’t want me to know ? "

As a foreigner but here for over 30 years and despite my accent I think of English as my first language ( I think and dream in Englaish but still count in my native language ) .

Anyway whenever I bump into a compatriot they can't help switching to our native tongue, it's just more natural to them , they don't mean to be rude to whoever else is around and we're not gossiping . It's just instinct I guess .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s the same here in Devon, if you go to local shops in small villages here you often find they still speak in fluent Devonian, although it’s slowly dying out, I’m not fluent but I can pick up the gist of what they’re saying. To the untrained ear it sounds like total jibberish.

Well I learned something new today I never knew Devon had its own language x

Very much so, so does Cornwall, but I have no idea what them are saying, probably still banging on about scones, jam and cream.

Not sure if it’s technically a language but Stoke has what’s called ‘potteries dialect’ and it’s absolutely fascinating!

Like “hey up duck”? "

Ha that’s where I’m from! Pure Notts that

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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble


"I might actually take some classes when corona permits

Download Duolingo - they have a Welsh course on there "

Thanks will give it a google x

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Blimey they are Welsh it’s their first language and yes I live and work in Wales and work colleagues speak it ... wouldn’t worry about it

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I am still trying to learn as I spend half my life there

But damn its difficult

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a few friends who's first language is Welsh, and they often slip between Welsh and English mid conversation between each other. I do have to remind them sometimes that there aren't many Welsh speakers in South Wales!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I am still trying to learn as I spend half my life there

But damn its difficult "

I'm thinking the solution is a Welsh speaking gf

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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble


"I am still trying to learn as I spend half my life there

But damn its difficult "

Now im searching for work I find many jobs are asking for it here

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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble


"I am still trying to learn as I spend half my life there

But damn its difficult

I'm thinking the solution is a Welsh speaking gf "

Bora da

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Would you think the same if you lived in France and heard people speaking in French?

To be honest I visit France a lot and English is slowly becoming their second language you would be surprised how many french are now fluent in English especially the younger generation but they don’t slip in and out of English and french like the Welsh do"

Welsh and English are a bit different to French and English though. Apart from proximity, you have to remember the Welsh language was suppressed by the Westminster Government for a long time. Children were punished for speaking Welsh at school back in the day, so English became embedded. Other than Castilian Spanish and Catalán in Cataluña, I can't think of anywhere else where two languages have co-existed quite so closely.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

most of my circle speak wenglish. it's basically flip flopping between the two languages seamlessly. it's tuly bi-lingual and makes for some fantastic 'play on words'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a few friends who's first language is Welsh, and they often slip between Welsh and English mid conversation between each other. I do have to remind them sometimes that there aren't many Welsh speakers in South Wales! "

All the more reason for them to keep speaking Welsh.

My friend is from Cardiff and she wasn't even taught it in Schools yet in my locality it is taught as part of the curriculum and pupils are either in Welsh or English stream depending on whether they are first language Welsh or not.

I was raised as a Welsh speaker, my kids can speak it too but don't use it.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I am still trying to learn as I spend half my life there

But damn its difficult

I'm thinking the solution is a Welsh speaking gf

Bora da "

Sut wyt ti

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Try to learn a little of the language, use what you learn where you can and you’ll find people willing to help. It’s like any foreign language; if you try and use it people will always help as they will respect the fact your trying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Try to learn a little of the language, use what you learn where you can and you’ll find people willing to help. It’s like any foreign language; if you try and use it people will always help as they will respect the fact your trying"

This ^

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Try to learn a little of the language, use what you learn where you can and you’ll find people willing to help. It’s like any foreign language; if you try and use it people will always help as they will respect the fact your trying"

So very, very true. Even if you can only say things like greetings and "how are you" and "please" and "thank you" - opens doors quite literally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a few friends who's first language is Welsh, and they often slip between Welsh and English mid conversation between each other. I do have to remind them sometimes that there aren't many Welsh speakers in South Wales!

All the more reason for them to keep speaking Welsh.

My friend is from Cardiff and she wasn't even taught it in Schools yet in my locality it is taught as part of the curriculum and pupils are either in Welsh or English stream depending on whether they are first language Welsh or not.

I was raised as a Welsh speaker, my kids can speak it too but don't use it. "

I was never taught it in school, my kids were taught in primary but it never carried on in secondary. Pity really.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

there's more oppotunities for welsh speakers than english speakers these days, which i think is fantastic compared to how it was. i remember through the 80's standing in the rain in front of the welsh office undertaking 'non violent direct action' to highlight the disparities of i'r iath cymraeg ac i'r iath saesneg.

the cerddoriath Gymraeg scene has helped immensely.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"Would you think the same if you lived in France and heard people speaking in French?"

Yes I would especially if they were speaking English and then changed to French when I walked in.

I'd assume that they were secretly planning to steal our fish

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By *reatformeat OP   Woman
over a year ago

my own bubble


"Would you think the same if you lived in France and heard people speaking in French?

Yes I would especially if they were speaking English and then changed to French when I walked in.

I'd assume that they were secretly planning to steal our fish "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Well I learned something new today I never knew Devon had its own language x"

Devon does not have its own language, it has a distinct regional dialect like many other places in Britain. Cornwall on the other hand does have its own language.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


" Well I learned something new today I never knew Devon had its own language x

Devon does not have its own language, it has a distinct regional dialect like many other places in Britain. Cornwall on the other hand does have its own language."

you know, it's funny you should mention that. here's a link to an album by gwenno. it's called le Kov and it's all in cornish.

both Gwenno and her sister Ani Glass (who's also a pop singer) are fluently tri-lingual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksG8PnMCVF8&list=PLVkmqrOYZ_WsW6PiFAw0jlxehNOMizPdn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't take it personally, a lot of smaller communities in Wales speak Welsh predominantly and are also very proud of it. People seem to think Welsh is a dying language, it really isn't

Yes respect that just wonders if they use the language all the time or do they slip into English now and again between themselves. I do speak fluent French actually and can see a lot of similarities I might actually take some classes when corona permits"

Sometimes you can be speaking welsh and slip into English simply because there is no Welsh word for the word you’re saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't take it personally, a lot of smaller communities in Wales speak Welsh predominantly and are also very proud of it. People seem to think Welsh is a dying language, it really isn't

Yes respect that just wonders if they use the language all the time or do they slip into English now and again between themselves. I do speak fluent French actually and can see a lot of similarities I might actually take some classes when corona permits

Sometimes you can be speaking welsh and slip into English simply because there is no Welsh word for the word you’re saying. "

That doesn't make sense,what if 2 Welsh people can't speak English, how do they communicate to each other?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will be my pleasure to introduce you to the wonderful world of Welsh .

It is the most beautiful language , quite descriptive and has a sing song lilt .

Try duolingo they have a basic fun online corse . Its a hoot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ps

annibyniaeth

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Don't take it personally, a lot of smaller communities in Wales speak Welsh predominantly and are also very proud of it. People seem to think Welsh is a dying language, it really isn't

Yes respect that just wonders if they use the language all the time or do they slip into English now and again between themselves. I do speak fluent French actually and can see a lot of similarities I might actually take some classes when corona permits

Sometimes you can be speaking welsh and slip into English simply because there is no Welsh word for the word you’re saying.

That doesn't make sense,what if 2 Welsh people can't speak English, how do they communicate to each other? "

You know how English is full of words cadged from other languages? Like cul-de-sac and faux pas and cliché etc.? Well, Welsh borrows a lot of words from English. That's because in the 19th century especially, Welsh was all but banned and the language suppressed, so it didn't evolve it's own set of words for "modern" things, like car, microwave and other wonderful words.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't take it personally, a lot of smaller communities in Wales speak Welsh predominantly and are also very proud of it. People seem to think Welsh is a dying language, it really isn't

Yes respect that just wonders if they use the language all the time or do they slip into English now and again between themselves. I do speak fluent French actually and can see a lot of similarities I might actually take some classes when corona permits

Sometimes you can be speaking welsh and slip into English simply because there is no Welsh word for the word you’re saying.

That doesn't make sense,what if 2 Welsh people can't speak English, how do they communicate to each other? "

It’s normally modern words or items and it’s Wenglish they’d use. Take a radiator for example, you know what the item is known as so might call it a radiator.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

My mother tongue is Welsh to speak English to my family or my oldest friends without reason feels wrong. It's like the language is a big massive hug, it's more comforting than speaking English to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't take it personally, a lot of smaller communities in Wales speak Welsh predominantly and are also very proud of it. People seem to think Welsh is a dying language, it really isn't

Yes respect that just wonders if they use the language all the time or do they slip into English now and again between themselves. I do speak fluent French actually and can see a lot of similarities I might actually take some classes when corona permits

Sometimes you can be speaking welsh and slip into English simply because there is no Welsh word for the word you’re saying.

That doesn't make sense,what if 2 Welsh people can't speak English, how do they communicate to each other?

It’s normally modern words or items and it’s Wenglish they’d use. Take a radiator for example, you know what the item is known as so might call it a radiator. "

I work with lots of Asians and when they speak they do the same, mix with English and urdu, it's easier apparently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm making it my goal this year to learn another language, so if anybody knows of any good podcasts, apps, websites (preferably free) I'd much obliged

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm making it my goal this year to learn another language, so if anybody knows of any good podcasts, apps, websites (preferably free) I'd much obliged "

Duolingo is a good app

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Welsh accent is so hot...

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By *inkfluffyunicornWoman
over a year ago

newport


"I have a few friends who's first language is Welsh, and they often slip between Welsh and English mid conversation between each other. I do have to remind them sometimes that there aren't many Welsh speakers in South Wales! "

There are loads of welsh speakers in South Wales! My 2 kids being 2 of them! Newport has 4 welsh medium primary schools and 1 welsh high school!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I'm making it my goal this year to learn another language, so if anybody knows of any good podcasts, apps, websites (preferably free) I'd much obliged

Duolingo is a good app"

I'm enjoying

"Say something in welsh"

!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our nan was welsh taught us as kids but obviously living in bolton it faded out, still think land of my fathers is one of the nicest national anthems in the world xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would you think the same if you lived in France and heard people speaking in French?

To be honest I visit France a lot and English is slowly becoming their second language you would be surprised how many french are now fluent in English especially the younger generation but they don’t slip in and out of English and french like the Welsh do

Welsh and English are a bit different to French and English though. Apart from proximity, you have to remember the Welsh language was suppressed by the Westminster Government for a long time. Children were punished for speaking Welsh at school back in the day, so English became embedded. Other than Castilian Spanish and Catalán in Cataluña, I can't think of anywhere else where two languages have co-existed quite so closely. "

Oh I can fix that for you! Simply look west across the little old channel and you’ll find Irish and English mixed quote extensively, particularly in the Gaeltacht (gale-tocked) areas. You’re welcome

As for people slipping between Welsh and English. I don’t think you need to be concerned that you would be so significant to them or their lives. It’s simply natural to them. As, you know, they’re actually from a country with a different first language

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The last portion of the comment wasn’t for you specifically but the OP

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