FabSwingers.com forum: 737 Max

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d rather stay at home and look at stuff on Google maps.

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea... "

Surely the air would be the happiest place for you..no sharks or snakes..

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

I think air transport will be back in the next year .. but passengers will probably have to prove they've been vaccinated

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

Surely the air would be the happiest place for you..no sharks or snakes.. "

Best ask Samuel L Jackson about the snakes thing

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By *otFun1976Man
over a year ago

Hove

Not sure I’d have a lot of faith in the 737 Max ever again

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

Surely the air would be the happiest place for you..no sharks or snakes.. "

Yeah, but if it's a night flight there's those nasty bats...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea... "

Ryanair are by far the single worst robbing buggers going lol £20 for a flight anywhere you like

Oh you want to take a bag with you? £100

Use the toilet? That's another £10

Have a late flight that throws you around and gives you ptsd? That sir is guaranteed for free

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By *ilfCrumpet9Man
over a year ago

Wirral

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

Ryanair are by far the single worst robbing buggers going lol £20 for a flight anywhere you like

Oh you want to take a bag with you? £100

Use the toilet? That's another £10

Have a late flight that throws you around and gives you ptsd? That sir is guaranteed for free

Don't forget the £50 to have a seat

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By *actilemale4uMan
over a year ago

London

I won't be flying on it until its been in service for a couple years with no accidents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't be flying on it until its been in service for a couple years with no accidents"

Even though statistically it's the safest mode of transportation?

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I can’t afford a holiday until 2067 so hopefully the virus will have dissipated by then.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

I'm guessing the faulty sensor had been replaced and the pilots have actually had training this time.

If so I see no problem with it. All planes can be deadly if the pilots don't know what they are doing in them.

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

You're more likely to die from eating a strawberry and in fact more do die of exactly that each year than they do in a plane crash.

If the risks of everything were put into perspective, you wouldn't even get out of bed each day and even staying in bed comes with its own set of risks.

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By *enuine MikeMan
over a year ago

Guildford

From what I've heard its been totally revamed and redesigned at a cost of $100s of Millions

New wiring loom, new fuselage, and new aero design aswell i think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't be flying on it until its been in service for a couple years with no accidents

Even though statistically it's the safest mode of transportation?"

Statistically youve more likelihood of dying crossing the street....unless you look both ways and stop being a mutant hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can’t afford a holiday until 2067 so hopefully the virus will have dissipated by then."

Dont worry either the Icelandic volcano will burp again or there'll be some other form of world ending and life changing cataclysm.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"You're more likely to die from eating a strawberry and in fact more do die of exactly that each year than they do in a plane crash.

If the risks of everything were put into perspective, you wouldn't even get out of bed each day and even staying in bed comes with its own set of risks."

People are really, really bad at understanding relative risk.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Air travel may be the safest form of transport although I guess that some planes are safer than others..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't be flying on it until its been in service for a couple years with no accidents

Even though statistically it's the safest mode of transportation?"

Safest mode of transport is walking to the fridge and back to the sofa

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"You're more likely to die from eating a strawberry and in fact more do die of exactly that each year than they do in a plane crash.

If the risks of everything were put into perspective, you wouldn't even get out of bed each day and even staying in bed comes with its own set of risks.

People are really, really bad at understanding relative risk."

Some are ...

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'm happy to have my own personal magical flying carpet. Albeit grounded at the moment, because I've got a doggy having a nap on it.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Everyone has choices.. not mine..

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I won't be flying on it until its been in service for a couple years with no accidents

Even though statistically it's the safest mode of transportation?

Safest mode of transport is walking to the fridge and back to the sofa "

Jeans you may have something..

If you have both a fridge and a sofa you are not doing badly..

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"I won't be flying on it until its been in service for a couple years with no accidents

Even though statistically it's the safest mode of transportation?"

Boeing 737 Max ???

I'm with the OP here, I will try to avoid flying 737-Max when we are allowed to air travel again.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"I think air transport will be back in the next year .. but passengers will probably have to prove they've been vaccinated"

Holiday booked to India for 27 Feb but can't get a visa so don't think that will be happening.

As for the air Max they where orderd and agreed befor problems so I guess if you wanted it and it's made and tested you have to pay for it wether you want it or not.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Air travel may be the safest form of transport although I guess that some planes are safer than others.. "

So would you Fly on the new The Boeing 777X is the latest series of the long-range, wide-body, twin-engine Boeing 777 family from Boeing Commercial Airplanes. The 777X features new GE9X engines, new composite wings with folding wingtips, greater cabin width and seating capacity, and technologies from the Boeing 787.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

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By *omerset tvTV/TS
over a year ago

Weston-super-Mare

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea... "

The Ryanair order have been called 737-8200 series instead of 737 max so it doesnt put passengers off flying on them

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"[Boarding pass misplaced by poster at 29/12/20 23:58:48]"

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

The Ryanair order have been called 737-8200 series instead of 737 max so it doesnt put passengers off flying on them "

Yes.. changing the name suggests there is a confidence issue.. in a free market world we all have choices.. not for me personally

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

Surely the air would be the happiest place for you..no sharks or snakes.. "

What about the seagulls

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

Surely the air would be the happiest place for you..no sharks or snakes..

What about the seagulls

The gulls? I have always enjoyed feeding them...

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

The Ryanair order have been called 737-8200 series instead of 737 max so it doesnt put passengers off flying on them

Yes.. changing the name suggests there is a confidence issue.. in a free market world we all have choices.. not for me personally"

But when you book would you even know what the plain will be

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

The Ryanair order have been called 737-8200 series instead of 737 max so it doesnt put passengers off flying on them

Yes.. changing the name suggests there is a confidence issue.. in a free market world we all have choices.. not for me personally

But when you book would you even know what the plain will be

Well you can research which airlines have them in their fleet.. no more Ryanair for me

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

737 max is an evil bugger...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

The Ryanair order have been called 737-8200 series instead of 737 max so it doesnt put passengers off flying on them

Yes.. changing the name suggests there is a confidence issue.. in a free market world we all have choices.. not for me personally

But when you book would you even know what the plain will be

Ryanair only operate 737's

All bar 1 with the same seating configuration

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55372499

Something still doesn't sit right with me about this aircraft

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

The Ryanair order have been called 737-8200 series instead of 737 max so it doesnt put passengers off flying on them

Yes.. changing the name suggests there is a confidence issue.. in a free market world we all have choices.. not for me personally

But when you book would you even know what the plain will be

Ryanair only operate 737's

All bar 1 with the same seating configuration "

Yet...

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

Ryanair are by far the single worst robbing buggers going lol £20 for a flight anywhere you like

Oh you want to take a bag with you? £100

Use the toilet? That's another £10

Have a late flight that throws you around and gives you ptsd? That sir is guaranteed for free

Best not mention this then.

https://youtu.be/YfQmiucLZvQ

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

As I currently stroll down the road, reading the posts about all of these unsubstantiated statistics, I definitely feel safer watching the traffic roll past me than

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"I won't be flying on it until its been in service for a couple years with no accidents

Even though statistically it's the safest mode of transportation?

Safest mode of transport is walking to the fridge and back to the sofa "

I rather expect that you will find a surprising number of deaths associated with fridges, a larger number of people who die on the sofa, and the walking in between bit only marginally safer than being lost in a minefield...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

Ryanair are by far the single worst robbing buggers going lol £20 for a flight anywhere you like

Oh you want to take a bag with you? £100

Use the toilet? That's another £10

Have a late flight that throws you around and gives you ptsd? That sir is guaranteed for free

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£10 to use the toilet £100 just to take a bag thank god I dont fly with them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ryanair got 737 max not sure how passnegers would feel about flying on them when the 737 max had 2 bad crashes in 5 months of each other lots of people died and Ryanair wants to fly them again

Sorry I wont be flying on it

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

Which? asked Ryanair whether it would allow customers to amend fee-free to an alternate flight or route to avoid the aircraft, in the instance of the customer having already booked tickets on a route where the Boeing 737 Max is subsequently introduced. It said it wouldn’t. Nor would it alert customers making future bookings with Ryanair if the flight might be operated by a 737 Max. It said: ‘It will be impossible for Ryanair to make clear to customers (who book on average 10 weeks in advance of travel) which flights any individual aircraft will operate given that – like all airlines – aircraft allocation decisions are only made the day before a flight departure.’ What Tui says about the return of the 737 Max Tui also said it will only fly the 737 Max after EASA has approved it and when it ‘believes it is safe to do so’. It said that this wouldn’t happen this winter season. It was positive about helping passengers avoid the 737 Max who are worried about flying on it. It told Which? that if a customer is due to fly on a 737 and would like to change ‘they will be allowed to move without an amendment fee’. It said it was also taking steps to indicate to customers making future bookings if the flight may be operated by the 737 Max, saying: ‘Before we reintroduce the 737 MAX into our fleet we will be looking at the best way to inform customers and is our intention to do so.’

Read more: https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/11/when-will-the-boeing-737-max-fly-in-the-uk-what-tui-and-ryanair-say-if-you-dont-want-to-fly-on-it/ - Which?

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

Worst of both worlds it seems:

737Max: If I had the choice no I wouldn't fly in one.

Ryanair: I would rather walk.....barefoot.

Michael O'Leary is the 'Trump', imho, of the aviation business.

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By *hieldsblokeMan
over a year ago

South Tyneside

Easy way to prove it is safe.

Put the entire Executive Board of Boeing on one, and send it out for a flight.

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

"Easy way to prove it is safe.

Put the entire Executive Board of Boeing on one, and send it out for a flight."

That will never happen for business reasons and not because the plane is unsafe.

Does anyone really think that with the spotlight on this plane right now as it is that its going to be certified as safe for flight when it isn't?

The future of Boeing right now depends entirely on getting this sorted out successfully and if there is another problem of this scale with any plane they manufacture for the next 10 years the company will simply cease to exist.

Unless you're inside the industry and know what is really going on you simply cannot make any assumptions on what has been done to sort this situation out.

And as for how safe it is, if you think getting on one of these planes is too big of a risk, dont get up off your sofa and walk to the fridge for your next beer as statistically that's more dangerous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hate flying.

Coming back from Tenerife once I was absolutely mortal and as we got off the shuttle bus thing and I saw the plane I thought "fuck that, no chance I'm getting on it"

So I started running away down the runway with a mob of cabin crew chasing me

They eventually caught up to me, calmed me down and it me on the plane.

I spewed up and went to sleep

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By *ollbiMan
over a year ago

newcastle

Statistically?!! Not this one.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Not for me.. but good we can choose airlines..

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Another one down.

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"Another one down. "

You referring to the Sriwijaya Air?

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

"Another one down. "

Are you certain its a 737-MAX?

Now I'm not going to slate the airline for their maintenance regimes or schedule nor the age of the airframe but maybe you need to look into Sriwijaya Airways who owned the plane before you make any judgements on the subject.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Another one down.

Are you certain its a 737-MAX?

BBC news says it was NOT a 737 Max.

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

"Another one down.

Are you certain its a 737-MAX?

BBC news says it was NOT a 737 Max."

Exactly....I asked that way of Magneto as he had clearly not taken the time to find out the facts for himself.

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

It's an old 737 but I will still try my best not to be on 737 Max (once we are allowed to air travel).

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

"It's an old 737 but I will still try my best not to be on 737 Max (once we are allowed to air travel)."

I'd be more than happy to get on one every day.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"It's an old 737 but I will still try my best not to be on 737 Max (once we are allowed to air travel)."

With all eyes on the Max and the work that has been done to them, they will probably be the safest type of plane out there.

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

Beginning to think that this is pilot suicide: 10,000 ft drop in 1 minute and they are fairly certain, plane was intact before it hit the water.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The plane that crashed on Saturday was a 737-500 model

This is one of the family of planes based on the original 737 design, referred to as a 'classic'

The later model's - 600, -700, -800 & -900 had an upgraded design and were referred to as the 'next gen' models

The two fatal Max crashes were the next development of the 737 range

The -500 is the shortest of the classic models and is the nearest in size to the original design

As it is shorter, it has less seats and, as such, has a higher cost per seat than other variants

Whilst still operated by some major airlines, because of the above, many found their way onto the second hand market pretty quickly, many going to smaller airlines in countries not renowned for their aviation safety record, Indonesia included

It is also of note that of all the variants, if you look at the amount of hull losses (total loss of aircraft) as a % of each model built, the - 500, has the highest % loss rate of any 737

That, of course, could be a factor of the environments in which they fly, the operators that have them and the pilots that fly them

I rarely speculate on crash causes

We need to put faith in the black box and the CVR being found and being readable and a full & thorough investigation being carried out

This can take years

Before then, anything else is pretty much conjecture

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

In my experience with that airline, if my choice is Ryanair, I would rather not go on holiday.

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

"In my experience with that airline, if my choice is Ryanair, I would rather not go on holiday. "

Same here. Imho, Michael O'Leary is the Gerald Ratner of the aviation world.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

If this had been entitled Max737, then I'd have assumed it was about a member of Fab.

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By *rive u crazyMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

Easy to be picky but Ryanair disrupted the market and forced everyone to lower the tickets. Now they are often a scam but it's often cheaper to flight anywhere in Europe than cross London. The service is awful but BA or Lufthansa aren't that great too.

Boeing should shut down for the shame of 737Max. They may do it. But now that plane should be pretty safe. At the first minor incident they would be in the news again

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By *rive u crazyMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

"The plane that crashed on Saturday was a 737-500 model

This is one of the family of planes based on the original 737 design, referred to as a 'classic'

The later model's - 600, -700, -800 & -900 had an upgraded design and were referred to as the 'next gen' models

The two fatal Max crashes were the next development of the 737 range

The -500 is the shortest of the classic models and is the nearest in size to the original design

As it is shorter, it has less seats and, as such, has a higher cost per seat than other variants

It is also of note that of all the variants, if you look at the amount of hull losses (total loss of aircraft) as a % of each model built, the - 500, has the highest % loss rate of any 737

That, of course, could be a factor of the environments in which they fly, the operators that have them and the pilots that fly them

I rarely speculate on crash causes

We need to put faith in the black box and the CVR being found and being readable and a full & thorough investigation being carried out

This can take years

Before then, anything else is pretty much conjecture"

The 737 line is the most popular out there. Ryanair has only 737s, is the company carrying most passengers in Europe and has never had a crash (so far). I don't know the stats but the classic 737 was pretty safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst everyone is quick to jump on Ryanair (sometimes with good reason, sometimes without), let us not forget that other airlines in Europe operate the Max too

So, if you are worried about flying on the Max in Europe, you also need to check your aircraft if you are flying with:

TUI (15 delivered, 57 on order)

Norwegian (18 delivered)

Icelandair (3 delivered, 2 on order)

Turkish Airlines (12 delivered, 63 on order)

Fly Dubai (14 delivered, 237 on order)

Air Europa (20 on order)

Enter Air (2 on order)

TAROM (5 on order)

Blue Air (6 on order)

Smartwings (1 delivered, 2 on order)

Air Canada also operate across the Atlantic

They have 24 delivered and another 26 on order

So, like it or not, they will be part of air travel in Europe going forward... and not just with the O'Leary crew

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

They are safer than driving apparently, mind you I’ve never had my car fall out of the sky into the sea and end up eaten by evil sharks...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The plane that crashed on Saturday was a 737-500 model

This is one of the family of planes based on the original 737 design, referred to as a 'classic'

The later model's - 600, -700, -800 & -900 had an upgraded design and were referred to as the 'next gen' models

The two fatal Max crashes were the next development of the 737 range

The -500 is the shortest of the classic models and is the nearest in size to the original design

As it is shorter, it has less seats and, as such, has a higher cost per seat than other variants

It is also of note that of all the variants, if you look at the amount of hull losses (total loss of aircraft) as a % of each model built, the - 500, has the highest % loss rate of any 737

That, of course, could be a factor of the environments in which they fly, the operators that have them and the pilots that fly them

I rarely speculate on crash causes

We need to put faith in the black box and the CVR being found and being readable and a full & thorough investigation being carried out

This can take years

Before then, anything else is pretty much conjecture

It was - and still is

Of all the variants though, as a % of the numbers of each variant built, the -500 has had the most aircraft losses

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Easy to be picky but Ryanair disrupted the market and forced everyone to lower the tickets. Now they are often a scam but it's often cheaper to flight anywhere in Europe than cross London. The service is awful but BA or Lufthansa aren't that great too.

Boeing should shut down for the shame of 737Max. They may do it. But now that plane should be pretty safe. At the first minor incident they would be in the news again"

I’ve flew both BA & Ryanair. They are like chalk and cheese. I don’t fly with Ryanair if I can help it. They are dire!

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By *konCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

I felt so sorry for Air Ethiopia and the poor buggers on it of course . Without being patronizing for a sub Saharan country they were trying so hard with such consequences outside their control

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By *konCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

Oh and I wouldn’t fly Ryanair if it was free on a private jet with hunky nude cabin crew

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By *rive u crazyMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Oh and I wouldn’t fly Ryanair if it was free on a private jet with hunky nude cabin crew "

Such a shame. I'm forced to fly often with them and I won't meet you

I wouldn't be surprised if they would start to have naked crew to save on clothes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The A320 family (A318, A319, A320 & A321) has, apparently, now overtaken the 737 as the most sold airliner in the world

Now they are selling the Neo versions with improved engines & range and reduced operating costs, this gap may very well widen, especially due to the current lack of confidence in the max coupled with a drop in passenger numbers

Gone are the days of the 747 crossing the pond, we are looking to a future, certainly on 'thinner' routes where 8 or 9 hours on a single aisle plane is the new normal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't be flying on it until its been in service for a couple years with no accidents"

How would you choose? You don't get to decide what aircraft your carrier uses on any given flight. An example, I was to take a short flight on a turbo prop commuter plane one time. Got to the desk to be told the flight was cancelled, and instead I was taking a multi hop flight via another city on a different flight, but because it was a jet we'd arrive at the destination at the same time. Amazing how quickly you get from Birmingham to Manchester in a 737!

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"The A320 family (A318, A319, A320 & A321) has, apparently, now overtaken the 737 as the most sold airliner in the world

Gone are the days of the 747 crossing the pond, we are looking to a future, certainly on 'thinner' routes where 8 or 9 hours on a single aisle plane is the new normal"

However, I truly miss the A380 for my 13hours direct flight from KUL to LHR.

I know A380 is not that economical compared to the new A350, but I miss the space.

Better exercise your legs frequently or wear special sock if to fly longer than 3 hours on single aisle plane

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"They are safer than driving apparently, mind you I’ve never had my car fall out of the sky into the sea and end up eaten by evil sharks...

Those evil buggers...

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

Ryanair are by far the single worst robbing buggers going lol £20 for a flight anywhere you like

Oh you want to take a bag with you? £100

Use the toilet? That's another £10

Have a late flight that throws you around and gives you ptsd? That sir is guaranteed for free

Don't forget the £50 to have a seat

And £10 for a snack/drink

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The 737 Max is back in service. Ryanair have placed an order apparently..

Not for me.. I would rather walk or go by boat.. and I am no can of the sea...

Ryanair are by far the single worst robbing buggers going lol £20 for a flight anywhere you like

Oh you want to take a bag with you? £100

Use the toilet? That's another £10

Have a late flight that throws you around and gives you ptsd? That sir is guaranteed for free

Don't forget the £50 to have a seat

And £10 for a snack/drink "

You can afford it Cougs

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"The A320 family (A318, A319, A320 & A321) has, apparently, now overtaken the 737 as the most sold airliner in the world

Gone are the days of the 747 crossing the pond, we are looking to a future, certainly on 'thinner' routes where 8 or 9 hours on a single aisle plane is the new normal"

777 are great transatlantic planes IMO.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Canada asking for more work to be done before it flies out of there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Canada asking for more work to be done before it flies out of there "

The Canadians are on top with their safety investigations

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By *arah_tv999TV/TS
over a year ago

Oxford

The basic problem with the 737MAX is there isn't enough safe under the wings for the engines they need to use to be fuel efficient. This means they have had to adopt the military fighter jet approach of using computers to keep the plane in the air. Mil pilots can eject when things go badly wrong. On an airliner you're stuck!

Boeing should have built a completely new aircraft, but that was too expensive and would take too long, hence the fudge that is the 737MAX.

And No, I won't be flying on one anytime soon, Covid or no-Covid

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Well you won't get me on one anytime soon...

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By *.R.MMan
over a year ago

Norfolk

They’re likely to be the safest aircraft around now.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"They’re likely to be the safest aircraft around now.

Well they are when they are parked on the ground in Canada

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By *iveralandssklpMan
over a year ago

Turkey

"I won't be flying on it until its been in service for a couple years with no accidents

Even though statistically it's the safest mode of transportation?

Safest mode of transport is walking to the fridge and back to the sofa "

As long as you don't trip up and smash your head

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By *.R.MMan
over a year ago

Norfolk

Don’t go out in your car, you might crash

Don’t walk down the road, you might get run over

Don’t eat certain foods, you might get fat and die

Don’t drink alcohol it might kill you

Don’t get out of bed you might trip and fall

Don’t stay in bed you might never get up and die

Some times life is about taking a risk

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And sometimes it's about making informed choices...

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By *.R.MMan
over a year ago

Norfolk

What’s to say the boat you take doesn’t sink or capsize ?

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By *aturesub60Man
over a year ago

Peterborough

"The basic problem with the 737MAX is there isn't enough safe under the wings for the engines they need to use to be fuel efficient. This means they have had to adopt the military fighter jet approach of using computers to keep the plane in the air. Mil pilots can eject when things go badly wrong. On an airliner you're stuck!

Boeing should have built a completely new aircraft, but that was too expensive and would take too long, hence the fudge that is the 737MAX.

And No, I won't be flying on one anytime soon, Covid or no-Covid"

Correct and agree on all points.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poisoned chalice... I've been following this very closely and it WILL happen again

Sad that shareholders and profits come before any thing else

The 737 was never designed to carry large engines so it will never be aerodynamically stable now and no software in the world will be enough

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"I'm guessing the faulty sensor had been replaced and the pilots have actually had training this time.

If so I see no problem with it. All planes can be deadly if the pilots don't know what they are doing in them. "
wasnt a faulty sensor, it was faulty software that controls the aircraft

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

"It was faulty software that controls the aircraft"

It was because they only gave the 737Max only two pico sensors. Most aircraft have 3. Because if one goes screwy, the computers can compare the readings from the other two, to figure out which sensor has gone kaput.

It's these sensors that feed the airspeed. into the planes computers. If the computers detect anything wrong such as low airspeed. The software kicks in, and overides the pilots actions and points the nose down, to stop the plane stalling.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Whatever the explanation..

It's a cut and shut..

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They took a perfectly good aircraft.. extended the body to take more passengers..

It did not go well

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

"They took a perfectly good aircraft.. extended the body to take more passengers..

It did not go well"

In order to compete with Airbus, on fuel consumption apparently.

Though I've heard, if Boeing commercial goes belly up over this. Then Blackpool pleasure beach, wants their expertise, on a new rollercoaster ride.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

So how will try the new 777 with folding wing tips a longer twin engine plane clener then the A380

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They took a perfectly good aircraft.. extended the body to take more passengers..

It did not go well

In order to compete with Airbus, on fuel consumption apparently.

Though I've heard, if Boeing commercial goes belly up over this. Then Blackpool pleasure beach, wants their expertise, on a new rollercoaster ride.

The issue Boeing have is now more complex than had they taken some time out and redesigned another aircraft, the 757, which is dynamically better suited to low slung, bigger engines

It is a larger plane than the Max yet many operators were seeking to replace their 757's with the Max because of the differences in operating costs

Most 757's are now 20-30 years old and many have left airline service and been re-configured into freighters, but there are still plenty out there

Boeing rushed things / pushed things through, because Airbus was ahead of the curve with their Neo range, which has sold like hotcakes

Overall, Airbus now has a far better product range than Boeing

They offer everything from 40 seat commuter props through to 300+ seat long haul jets

Buying the rights to the CS range and opening a plant in the US was a kick in the teeth to Boeing as that has opened up even more of the internal US regional market, which is immense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So how will try the new 777 with folding wing tips a longer twin engine plane clener then the A380 "

Standard triple please or a380

Those wing tips will fall off for fun

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

More delays in some countries.. sealent issue with fuel tanks

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"More delays in some countries.. sealent issue with fuel tanks"

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

According to an online article

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"According to an online article"

FAA whoever they are

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