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"Is it true true that Anne Boleyns’ brother was called tenpin????" Original comedy.. I salute you Sir | |||
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"Is it true true that Anne Boleyns’ brother was called tenpin????" one of you’re better ones   | |||
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"Who was the best actress for the part? Would a white actor be acceptable in the role of Kunte Kinte? " Kunta Kinte was a fictional character, so personally I would say that it would be acceptable for a white actor to play the role although I feel that in today's climate it would be career suicide for the casting director. Again, personally, if he were a factual person, I would feel that a white actor to play him would be inappropriate but not wrong. | |||
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"Old news. But on the back of the "deaf" thread, I'd assume all the people on there who had no issues with a hearing actor playing a deaf person will have no issue with a black actor playing a white person.... " I was also curious about the difference between a fictional character and a factual character. Should a white person play Muhammed Ali, or a black person play Emmeline Pankhurst, for example? | |||
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"When it comes to historical accuracy, or to make sense within the setting, I have to say that certain things should not be changed for the sake of diversity. If the part is historically known to be black/white/asian/whatever race or skin colour you can think of, Then it should be played by an actor of the same colour (same goes for sex/gender and personally age too should be limited to a degree). Django unchained, while not the most historically accurate movie (nor was it trying to be) no other race or skin colour would have made sense to play the part of Django. You couldn't put an Asian actor in the same part. It had to be a Black actor. Same goes for Calvin Candie, it had to be a white actor to fully make sense. And again for the role of Stephen, it had to be a black actor. Most of the time diversity has its place, sometimes it just needs to go away as it gets close to and often crosses the line in to pandering to a certain checklist. " Exactly what I was going to say (sort of). I was wondering if (for example) if Harrison Ford was cast as Nelson Mandela, would this be acceptable? Danish x | |||
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"On the back of the "deaf" actor thread, it seems that some people are "outraged" that a non-deaf actor would be chosen for a role as a fictional deaf person. A recent production of the story of Henry VIII has cast a black woman (Jodie Turner-Smith) to play the role of Anne Boleyn, a factually white historical character. I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person?" Anne Boleyn was not black so shouldn’t be portrayed by a black lady. Her colour is a fact, not racism | |||
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"Who was the best actress for the part? Would a white actor be acceptable in the role of Kunte Kinte? Kunta Kinte was a fictional character, so personally I would say that it would be acceptable for a white actor to play the role although I feel that in today's climate it would be career suicide for the casting director. Again, personally, if he were a factual person, I would feel that a white actor to play him would be inappropriate but not wrong. " He was based on one of Alex Hayley's ancestors. | |||
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"On the back of the "deaf" actor thread, it seems that some people are "outraged" that a non-deaf actor would be chosen for a role as a fictional deaf person. A recent production of the story of Henry VIII has cast a black woman (Jodie Turner-Smith) to play the role of Anne Boleyn, a factually white historical character. I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person?" If the shoe was on the other foot they'd scream "cultural appropriation"  | |||
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"As a history geek, all historical inaccuracies piss me off. Racism or any other 'ism' has nothing to do with it. " Wait until Samuel L Jackson gets cast as Lord Nelson | |||
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" I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person?" I think the issue is one of opportunity. It's been well documented that roles for black and disabled actors have not been plentiful, especially where being black or disabled is not relevant to the role being played. What I'm saying is historically directors have been reluctant to cast minorities or disabled actors in mainstream roles because who they are will take on more significance than the role they're playing..the outrage over the recent Sainsbury's advert demonstrates that fact as does the controversy when it was mooted Idris Elba might be considered for James Bond (a fictional character). To me it seems reasonable that minority and disabled actors should at least be given preference where their status is relevant to the role since they don't have the same opportunities as other actors for the mainstream jobs. | |||
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"On the back of the "deaf" actor thread, it seems that some people are "outraged" that a non-deaf actor would be chosen for a role as a fictional deaf person. A recent production of the story of Henry VIII has cast a black woman (Jodie Turner-Smith) to play the role of Anne Boleyn, a factually white historical character. I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person? If the shoe was on the other foot they'd scream "cultural appropriation" "It's only relatively recently that black actors have been routinely considered for the role of Othello, a black, 400 year old Shakespearean character. | |||
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" I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person? I think the issue is one of opportunity. It's been well documented that roles for black and disabled actors have not been plentiful, especially where being black or disabled is not relevant to the role being played. What I'm saying is historically directors have been reluctant to cast minorities or disabled actors in mainstream roles because who they are will take on more significance than the role they're playing..the outrage over the recent Sainsbury's advert demonstrates that fact as does the controversy when it was mooted Idris Elba might be considered for James Bond (a fictional character). To me it seems reasonable that minority and disabled actors should at least be given preference where their status is relevant to the role since they don't have the same opportunities as other actors for the mainstream jobs." It seems to me that you're saying in your last paragraph that actors of colour and disabled actors should be given preference just because of the colour of their skin, or that they are disabled even if many other actors' status is relevant to the role. Is that correct? | |||
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" I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person? I think the issue is one of opportunity. It's been well documented that roles for black and disabled actors have not been plentiful, especially where being black or disabled is not relevant to the role being played. What I'm saying is historically directors have been reluctant to cast minorities or disabled actors in mainstream roles because who they are will take on more significance than the role they're playing..the outrage over the recent Sainsbury's advert demonstrates that fact as does the controversy when it was mooted Idris Elba might be considered for James Bond (a fictional character). To me it seems reasonable that minority and disabled actors should at least be given preference where their status is relevant to the role since they don't have the same opportunities as other actors for the mainstream jobs. It seems to me that you're saying in your last paragraph that actors of colour and disabled actors should be given preference just because of the colour of their skin, or that they are disabled even if many other actors' status is relevant to the role. Is that correct?" You shouldn't consider that paragraph exclusively, whilst disregarding what preceded it. | |||
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"The other thing I'm curious about is, why does there always seem to be some "outrage" that Jesus is portrayed by a blond-haired, blue-eyed actor when it is possible he had both of those traits?" Given your earlier contributions why aren't you complaining that Jesus has been played by blond haired, blue eyed actors when the high probability is that he had neither of those traits (given the ethnic appearance of others from the area he's claimed to have come from)? | |||
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"The other thing I'm curious about is, why does there always seem to be some "outrage" that Jesus is portrayed by a blond-haired, blue-eyed actor when it is possible he had both of those traits? Given your earlier contributions why aren't you complaining that Jesus has been played by blond haired, blue eyed actors when the high probability is that he had neither of those traits (given the ethnic appearance of others from the area he's claimed to have come from)?" If he ever existed ! | |||
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"The other thing I'm curious about is, why does there always seem to be some "outrage" that Jesus is portrayed by a blond-haired, blue-eyed actor when it is possible he had both of those traits? Given your earlier contributions why aren't you complaining that Jesus has been played by blond haired, blue eyed actors when the high probability is that he had neither of those traits (given the ethnic appearance of others from the area he's claimed to have come from)? If he ever existed !" Indeed, but it appears the 'outrage' isn't confined to non-fictional characters! | |||
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"On the back of the "deaf" actor thread, it seems that some people are "outraged" that a non-deaf actor would be chosen for a role as a fictional deaf person. A recent production of the story of Henry VIII has cast a black woman (Jodie Turner-Smith) to play the role of Anne Boleyn, a factually white historical character. I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person?" It’s acting... matters not of the colour or race. Shakespeare is always being contextually played with. I’ve seen Richard 111 portrayed as a leather coated Nazi... I recall that Harvey Keitel had complained about a straight actor playing a gay role in a film, Harvey himself being gay. It’s acting, it can be contemporary.. look at all the rumours of a black James Bond? | |||
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"As a history geek, all historical inaccuracies piss me off. Racism or any other 'ism' has nothing to do with it. Wait until Samuel L Jackson gets cast as Lord Nelson "Way too tall | |||
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"The other thing I'm curious about is, why does there always seem to be some "outrage" that Jesus is portrayed by a blond-haired, blue-eyed actor when it is possible he had both of those traits? Given your earlier contributions why aren't you complaining that Jesus has been played by blond haired, blue eyed actors when the high probability is that he had neither of those traits (given the ethnic appearance of others from the area he's claimed to have come from)?" I didn't think I was complaining, I'm just discussing. Do people's physical looks come from the area they were born, or are they hereditary traits passed to them from their parents? Who was Jesus's father? | |||
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"The other thing I'm curious about is, why does there always seem to be some "outrage" that Jesus is portrayed by a blond-haired, blue-eyed actor when it is possible he had both of those traits? Given your earlier contributions why aren't you complaining that Jesus has been played by blond haired, blue eyed actors when the high probability is that he had neither of those traits (given the ethnic appearance of others from the area he's claimed to have come from)? I didn't think I was complaining, I'm just discussing. Do people's physical looks come from the area they were born, or are they hereditary traits passed to them from their parents? Who was Jesus's father?" God | |||
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"On the back of the "deaf" actor thread, it seems that some people are "outraged" that a non-deaf actor would be chosen for a role as a fictional deaf person. A recent production of the story of Henry VIII has cast a black woman (Jodie Turner-Smith) to play the role of Anne Boleyn, a factually white historical character. I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person? It’s acting... matters not of the colour or race. Shakespeare is always being contextually played with. I’ve seen Richard 111 portrayed as a leather coated Nazi... I recall that Harvey Keitel had complained about a straight actor playing a gay role in a film, Harvey himself being gay. It’s acting, it can be contemporary.. look at all the rumours of a black James Bond? " Harvey Kietel isn’t gay | |||
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"On the back of the "deaf" actor thread, it seems that some people are "outraged" that a non-deaf actor would be chosen for a role as a fictional deaf person. A recent production of the story of Henry VIII has cast a black woman (Jodie Turner-Smith) to play the role of Anne Boleyn, a factually white historical character. I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person? It’s acting... matters not of the colour or race. Shakespeare is always being contextually played with. I’ve seen Richard 111 portrayed as a leather coated Nazi... I recall that Harvey Keitel had complained about a straight actor playing a gay role in a film, Harvey himself being gay. It’s acting, it can be contemporary.. look at all the rumours of a black James Bond? " Ian must be turning in his grave | |||
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"And what about that dog in the Battle of Britain... " That was played by a black Labrador , I don’t think any golden labradors complained though | |||
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"On the back of the "deaf" actor thread, it seems that some people are "outraged" that a non-deaf actor would be chosen for a role as a fictional deaf person. A recent production of the story of Henry VIII has cast a black woman (Jodie Turner-Smith) to play the role of Anne Boleyn, a factually white historical character. I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person? It’s acting... matters not of the colour or race. Shakespeare is always being contextually played with. I’ve seen Richard 111 portrayed as a leather coated Nazi... I recall that Harvey Keitel had complained about a straight actor playing a gay role in a film, Harvey himself being gay. It’s acting, it can be contemporary.. look at all the rumours of a black James Bond? Ian must be turning in his grave " Why? | |||
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"On the back of the "deaf" actor thread, it seems that some people are "outraged" that a non-deaf actor would be chosen for a role as a fictional deaf person. A recent production of the story of Henry VIII has cast a black woman (Jodie Turner-Smith) to play the role of Anne Boleyn, a factually white historical character. I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person? It’s acting... matters not of the colour or race. Shakespeare is always being contextually played with. I’ve seen Richard 111 portrayed as a leather coated Nazi... I recall that Harvey Keitel had complained about a straight actor playing a gay role in a film, Harvey himself being gay. It’s acting, it can be contemporary.. look at all the rumours of a black James Bond? Ian must be turning in his grave Why? " I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes | |||
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"Black James Bond fine.. A female James Bond a step too far.." Either would kill the franchise off , let’s try & keep it to the author’s original theory | |||
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"On the back of the "deaf" actor thread, it seems that some people are "outraged" that a non-deaf actor would be chosen for a role as a fictional deaf person. A recent production of the story of Henry VIII has cast a black woman (Jodie Turner-Smith) to play the role of Anne Boleyn, a factually white historical character. I was curious to know if those "outraged" that a non-deaf actor could play the role of a fictional deaf person would be equally "outraged" that a black actor was chosen for the role of a factual white person? It’s acting... matters not of the colour or race. Shakespeare is always being contextually played with. I’ve seen Richard 111 portrayed as a leather coated Nazi... I recall that Harvey Keitel had complained about a straight actor playing a gay role in a film, Harvey himself being gay. It’s acting, it can be contemporary.. look at all the rumours of a black James Bond? Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes "Tell me more? Are you suggesting that Ian Fleming would be appalled if a black actor played James Bond? What are you basing this on? | |||
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"Black James Bond fine.. A female James Bond a step too far.. Either would kill the franchise off , let’s try & keep it to the author’s original theory " Why would it ‘kill the franchise off’ ? | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes "What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation. The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him. | |||
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"As a history geek, all historical inaccuracies piss me off. Racism or any other 'ism' has nothing to do with it. Wait until Samuel L Jackson gets cast as Lord Nelson ""Kiss me Hardy, mother fucker!" | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him."He also didn’t want Sean Connery to play the role as he was Scottish. Later agreed that the casting was perfect. | |||
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"As a history geek, all historical inaccuracies piss me off. Racism or any other 'ism' has nothing to do with it. Wait until Samuel L Jackson gets cast as Lord Nelson
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him."Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated | |||
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"Black James Bond fine.. A female James Bond a step too far.. Either would kill the franchise off , let’s try & keep it to the author’s original theory Why would it ‘kill the franchise off’ ? " It wouldn’t, there were complaints about a blonde actor playing the role, would kill the franchise off. Still making the films and will do when Daniel Craig leaves. | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated "My opinion & entitled chap | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated
My opinion & entitled chap "So is mine, I doubt you have the courage to explain your comment, old chap | |||
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"The other thing I'm curious about is, why does there always seem to be some "outrage" that Jesus is portrayed by a blond-haired, blue-eyed actor when it is possible he had both of those traits? Given your earlier contributions why aren't you complaining that Jesus has been played by blond haired, blue eyed actors when the high probability is that he had neither of those traits (given the ethnic appearance of others from the area he's claimed to have come from)? I didn't think I was complaining, I'm just discussing. Do people's physical looks come from the area they were born, or are they hereditary traits passed to them from their parents? Who was Jesus's father?" Joseph, presumably someone indigenous to their surroundings rather than Scandinavia.  | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated "..and it's also appending opinions to dead people which cannot be corroborated | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated
My opinion & entitled chap
So is mine, I doubt you have the courage to explain your comment, old chap "No goading , have a good Sunday afternoon | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated
My opinion & entitled chap
So is mine, I doubt you have the courage to explain your comment, old chap
No goading , have a good Sunday afternoon "Ah, thought not, have a good day | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated
My opinion & entitled chap
So is mine, I doubt you have the courage to explain your comment, old chap
No goading , have a good Sunday afternoon "To be fair...every town really needs an unelected sheriff.. | |||
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"Who was the best actress for the part? Would a white actor be acceptable in the role of Kunte Kinte? " the would get the coloured people scheming their heads off | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated
My opinion & entitled chap
So is mine, I doubt you have the courage to explain your comment, old chap
No goading , have a good Sunday afternoon
To be fair...every town really needs an unelected sheriff.."Thanks deputy | |||
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"Who was the best actress for the part? Would a white actor be acceptable in the role of Kunte Kinte? the would get the coloured people scheming their heads off " Scheming ? | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated
My opinion & entitled chap
So is mine, I doubt you have the courage to explain your comment, old chap
No goading , have a good Sunday afternoon
To be fair...every town really needs an unelected sheriff.."What, like in Blazing Saddles? E | |||
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated
My opinion & entitled chap
So is mine, I doubt you have the courage to explain your comment, old chap
No goading , have a good Sunday afternoon
To be fair...every town really needs an unelected sheriff..
What, like in Blazing Saddles?
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" Ian must be turning in his grave Why? I’ll leave it to you to work it out things get stretched just for pc purposes
What a bizarre statement, conflating your own indignation with how you think Bond's creator might view a contemporary depiction of his fictional creation.
The irony is Fleming lived the best years of his life in Jamaica, so may well have contemplated things outside the 'conventional' box, especially as he's well known for having been influenced by the people and environment around him.
Exactly, to say a black James Bond would make him ‘turn in his grave’ is ignorant and uneducated
My opinion & entitled chap
So is mine, I doubt you have the courage to explain your comment, old chap
No goading , have a good Sunday afternoon
To be fair...every town really needs an unelected sheriff..
What, like in Blazing Saddles?
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I believe your eye-rolling emoticon to be misplaced. Not all blond-haired, blue-eyed people come only from Scandinavia - many are from Germanic regions, the "Teutonic" traits. The bible (however historically accurate it may or may not be) states that Joseph was not Jesus's real father. Many scholars believe that the "virgin birth" part of the story was a cover to legitimise the birth after Mary was r*ped by a Roman legionary. This theory was first put forward by a 2nd century Greek philosopher called Celsus. The prevalent Roman legion in Judea surrounding the believed date of Jesus's birth was the Legio X Fretensis, a legion mainly made up of "auxiliaries". Auxiliaries were basically enemy warriors who had joined a Roman legion, as was Rome's policy, after being conquered in their homelands. These soldiers signed up to serve for 25 years, and after this time they were granted full Roman citizenship and land. Before be assigned to Judea, the Legio X Fretensis's last recorded location was Germania. The strong likelihood is that when they were re-deployed to Judea, they would have had many German Auxiliary legionaries on strength, some of who could have been blond-haired and blue-eyed. Given this evidence, the possibility does exist that Jesus could have been born with these traits. To deny this possibility without knowing these facts would suggest bigotry based purely on ignorance."Yes I'm aware of population movements and the impact this has on indigenous communities, my own husband has a rich and diverse ethnic make up due to this although superficially he's black. However without any evidence to support a theory that Mary & Joseph were offspring of Germanic military I think it's safe to say it's unlikely Jesus was fair of hair and blue of eye, especially as the genes which determine blue eye colour are recessive in Arabic communities. | |||
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I believe your eye-rolling emoticon to be misplaced. Not all blond-haired, blue-eyed people come only from Scandinavia - many are from Germanic regions, the "Teutonic" traits. The bible (however historically accurate it may or may not be) states that Joseph was not Jesus's real father. Many scholars believe that the "virgin birth" part of the story was a cover to legitimise the birth after Mary was r*ped by a Roman legionary. This theory was first put forward by a 2nd century Greek philosopher called Celsus. The prevalent Roman legion in Judea surrounding the believed date of Jesus's birth was the Legio X Fretensis, a legion mainly made up of "auxiliaries". Auxiliaries were basically enemy warriors who had joined a Roman legion, as was Rome's policy, after being conquered in their homelands. These soldiers signed up to serve for 25 years, and after this time they were granted full Roman citizenship and land. Before be assigned to Judea, the Legio X Fretensis's last recorded location was Germania. The strong likelihood is that when they were re-deployed to Judea, they would have had many German Auxiliary legionaries on strength, some of who could have been blond-haired and blue-eyed. Given this evidence, the possibility does exist that Jesus could have been born with these traits. To deny this possibility without knowing these facts would suggest bigotry based purely on ignorance.
Yes I'm aware of population movements and the impact this has on indigenous communities, my own husband has a rich and diverse ethnic make up due to this although superficially he's black.
However without any evidence to support a theory that Mary & Joseph were offspring of Germanic military I think it's safe to say it's unlikely Jesus was fair of hair and blue of eye, especially as the genes which determine blue eye colour are recessive in Arabic communities. "What??? No! Not Mary and Joseph, just Jesus. Did you not read a thing I wrote correctly? You may say that it is "unlikely" that Jesus was fair haired and blue eyed, but the possibility, however small, exists but you choose to ignore the evidence I have given. I think perhaps you may need to re-evaluate your understanding of bigotry. I'm sure your partner would also appreciate this. | |||
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It's only relatively recently that black actors have been routinely considered for the role of Othello, a black, 400 year old Shakespearean character."Its hink its complete ageism that they not having a 400 year old actor play a 400 year old Shakespeare charactor LOL | |||
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"As a history geek, all historical inaccuracies piss me off. Racism or any other 'ism' has nothing to do with it. Wait until Samuel L Jackson gets cast as Lord Nelson
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"By this reckoning, Anne Boleyn being French, should only be played by a French actor. Oui? Van Gogh by a Dutch actor and let’s forget the fabulous portrayal by Kirk Douglas. Russell Crowe as a gladiator (brilliant film and acting in my book) but going by this thread, completely unbelievable as he’s not Italian! Where was the outrage when Dev Patel starred as David Copperfield? I feel that he was rather good in it. Hamilton, THE most successful stage play in recent years, why no ahem ‘love’ for that? After all, ALL of the characters were white and non fictional but all are played by either black/brown or Asian actors, and guess what? It worked seriously well. I know, having seen it twice! Even the racist VP pence went to see it. It also makes me scream with laughter when people state ‘I hate rap’, then laud Hamilton, a play sang entirely in RAP; give me strength. " | |||
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"By this reckoning, Anne Boleyn being French, should only be played by a French actor. Oui? Van Gogh by a Dutch actor and let’s forget the fabulous portrayal by Kirk Douglas. Russell Crowe as a gladiator (brilliant film and acting in my book) but going by this thread, completely unbelievable as he’s not Italian! Where was the outrage when Dev Patel starred as David Copperfield? I feel that he was rather good in it. Hamilton, THE most successful stage play in recent years, why no ahem ‘love’ for that? After all, ALL of the characters were white and non fictional but all are played by either black/brown or Asian actors, and guess what? It worked seriously well. I know, having seen it twice! Even the racist VP pence went to see it. It also makes me scream with laughter when people state ‘I hate rap’, then laud Hamilton, a play sang entirely in RAP; give me strength. "Russell Crowd is an Ossie and played great in Gladiator. He also was great in that Master and Commander boat but in those days the potential Ossie's were more likely to be the cargo | |||
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It takes a bit of imagination and an open mind to accept diverse casting in a film. Sadly lacking with some on this thread that require all films to be ‘historically accurate’.
The recent David Copperfield you bring up, was a great watch and you soon forgot about the diverse cast. You just enjoyed how much they seem to inhabit their roles seamlessly.
For me, to see Directors willing to move outside of the traditional boxes and be more experimental with how they portray a story and the actors they choose, is a welcome relief to the usual Hollywood output. "It was a good film but the black mother turning up to see her white son threw me.. she played the part brilliant but strange casting if you ask me . | |||
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"The worlds gone to PC. How ridiculous to use a black actor to play Anne. It's not only about playing a role It's an autobiographical portrayal of someone who was white FFS. The world needs to get a bloody grip. And the debate re kinte played by a white man? Would and should never happen as Roots was about slavery ain't no white man ever been a slave so how would that work? Lol During WW2 over 6 million WHITE European Jews were enslaved and systematically murdered by the Nazis. Black people are not the only race who have been enslaved, so get over yourself. It's not all you you you." That number also included romonav gypsies and slavs who were considered racially inferior by the nazis. | |||
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"The worlds gone to PC. How ridiculous to use a black actor to play Anne. It's not only about playing a role It's an autobiographical portrayal of someone who was white FFS. The world needs to get a bloody grip. And the debate re kinte played by a white man? Would and should never happen as Roots was about slavery ain't no white man ever been a slave so how would that work? Lol During WW2 over 6 million WHITE European Jews were enslaved and systematically murdered by the Nazis. Black people are not the only race who have been enslaved, so get over yourself. It's not all you you you. That number also included romonav gypsies and slavs who were considered racially inferior by the nazis." Indeed. | |||
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"The worlds gone to PC. How ridiculous to use a black actor to play Anne. It's not only about playing a role It's an autobiographical portrayal of someone who was white FFS. The world needs to get a bloody grip. And the debate re kinte played by a white man? Would and should never happen as Roots was about slavery ain't no white man ever been a slave so how would that work? Lol During WW2 over 6 million WHITE European Jews were enslaved and systematically murdered by the Nazis. Black people are not the only race who have been enslaved, so get over yourself. It's not all you you you." And Slavs and the disabled | |||
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"When was the last time Jesus was played by somebody who looked like they were from the middle east? If somebody from a minority is played by somebody from a majority I don't find that shocking although it can be a bit odd. There are fewer parts for women and minorities. It would be bad if a majority person took a part from a minority person. The real fix for this is to have more diverse parts written in the first place. " Shhh, we can't be having common sense, people will get upset | |||
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"I,ll complain & I,m 25% mixed race. Am I racist too ? C5 trying to be edgy at the expense or people that want to watch a historically correct performance. Muppets! Will the drama have a "life of Brian" space ship? " ..and there we all were believing the over righteous claims that people see beyond skin colour, this thread proves that to be untrue. | |||
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" Whilst I agree to an extent, and there have been some blatant examples on this thread to prove your point, the problem you have here is the dichotomy between factually accurate and fictional portrayals - Ann Boleyn was undeniably white so having a black actress play her is "factually" problematic. Should it make a difference in the "fictional" setting of a play or dramatisation? Of course it shouldn't - but IF that play or dramatisation is presenting itself as a factually accurate piece then I can understand the dilemma presented by *some* posters. The more ridiculous comments designed to stir the pot more than anything though - couldn't agree with you more "Yes I understand the point others are making, however it's undeniable that Olivier's portrayal of Othello was excellent, even with the blackface, as was Don Warrington as King Lear (without any racially incorrect enhancement), neither actor detracted from the story Shakespeare was depicting. To illustrate the point, Keira Knightly played Georgiana Cavendish extremely well, despite having little in common physically with the quite plain, mousey haired Duchess, her casting probably having more to do with financial expediency than consideration of historical fact. | |||
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"By this reckoning, Anne Boleyn being French, should only be played by a French actor. Oui? Van Gogh by a Dutch actor and let’s forget the fabulous portrayal by Kirk Douglas. Russell Crowe as a gladiator (brilliant film and acting in my book) but going by this thread, completely unbelievable as he’s not Italian! Where was the outrage when Dev Patel starred as David Copperfield? I feel that he was rather good in it. Hamilton, THE most successful stage play in recent years, why no ahem ‘love’ for that? After all, ALL of the characters were white and non fictional but all are played by either black/brown or Asian actors, and guess what? It worked seriously well. I know, having seen it twice! Even the racist VP pence went to see it. It also makes me scream with laughter when people state ‘I hate rap’, then laud Hamilton, a play sang entirely in RAP; give me strength.
It takes a bit of imagination and an open mind to accept diverse casting in a film. Sadly lacking with some on this thread that require all films to be ‘historically accurate’.
The recent David Copperfield you bring up, was a great watch and you soon forgot about the diverse cast. You just enjoyed how much they seem to inhabit their roles seamlessly.
For me, to see Directors willing to move outside of the traditional boxes and be more experimental with how they portray a story and the actors they choose, is a welcome relief to the usual Hollywood output.
It was a good film but the black mother turning up to see her white son threw me.. she played the part brilliant but strange casting if you ask me . "Have to call you on that one as Genetics is a very strange thing and doesn’t always follow or go where people think it will. Really good friend of mine has 3 children, she is fully black; her partner is upper middle class white from Glos. Her eldest (40 year old) is blonde with green eyes! Looks white, even though she is most definitely mixed race. People are always shocked when she introduces her mother. Kindly explain that one away? My fully black neighbour from Ghana has bright blue eyes. Apparently not the uncommon! So they casting for me, wasn't that strange. | |||
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"The worlds gone to PC. How ridiculous to use a black actor to play Anne. It's not only about playing a role It's an autobiographical portrayal of someone who was white FFS. The world needs to get a bloody grip. And the debate re kinte played by a white man? Would and should never happen as Roots was about slavery ain't no white man ever been a slave so how would that work? Lol During WW2 over 6 million WHITE European Jews were enslaved and systematically murdered by the Nazis. Black people are not the only race who have been enslaved, so get over yourself. It's not all you you you. And Slavs and the disabled" And blacks too, something that history tends to forget, or at least trys to. There were blacks among the over 10 million people killed in total! | |||
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"With so many inaccurate films out there I dont see the point complaining. Many roles have been played by actors who aren’t native to the character, it is what it is luckily it’s called ACTING. Does skin tones define how well the actor plays said character? I understand and accept what you mean but I always like to look at things like this the other way around. Would people be happy for a white actor to play Martin Luther King or a white actress playing Rosa Parks, the incredibly brave black women who refused to move to the back of the bus in 1955 Montgomery, USA?" 1. There is a difference between a portrayal of a recent historical figure to a portrayal of Anne Boleyn. Shocked that something so basic really has to be said. I mean, honestly some of this thread beggars belief
2. The matter of identity politics and cultural representation isn't as simple as switching races. There's a whole lot of other baggage involved which can't be ignored. It's complicated, and often messy, but it's there and anyone who fails to see that has either just not thought about it enough, is a moron, or is wilfully ignorant.
3. One of the big things artists and cultural creatives do and have done throughout history is to subvert the normal. White protagonists and white actors are normal in our culture... Black protagonists and actors are not...
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"With so many inaccurate films out there I dont see the point complaining. Many roles have been played by actors who aren’t native to the character, it is what it is luckily it’s called ACTING. Does skin tones define how well the actor plays said character? I understand and accept what you mean but I always like to look at things like this the other way around. Would people be happy for a white actor to play Martin Luther King or a white actress playing Rosa Parks, the incredibly brave black women who refused to move to the back of the bus in 1955 Montgomery, USA? 1. There is a difference between a portrayal of a recent historical figure to a portrayal of Anne Boleyn. Shocked that something so basic really has to be said. I mean, honestly some of this thread beggars belief
2. The matter of identity politics and cultural representation isn't as simple as switching races. There's a whole lot of other baggage involved which can't be ignored. It's complicated, and often messy, but it's there and anyone who fails to see that has either just not thought about it enough, is a moron, or is wilfully ignorant.
3. One of the big things artists and cultural creatives do and have done throughout history is to subvert the normal. White protagonists and white actors are normal in our culture... Black protagonists and actors are not...
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"With so many inaccurate films out there I dont see the point complaining. Many roles have been played by actors who aren’t native to the character, it is what it is luckily it’s called ACTING. Does skin tones define how well the actor plays said character? I understand and accept what you mean but I always like to look at things like this the other way around. Would people be happy for a white actor to play Martin Luther King or a white actress playing Rosa Parks, the incredibly brave black women who refused to move to the back of the bus in 1955 Montgomery, USA? 1. There is a difference between a portrayal of a recent historical figure to a portrayal of Anne Boleyn. Shocked that something so basic really has to be said. I mean, honestly some of this thread beggars belief
2. The matter of identity politics and cultural representation isn't as simple as switching races. There's a whole lot of other baggage involved which can't be ignored. It's complicated, and often messy, but it's there and anyone who fails to see that has either just not thought about it enough, is a moron, or is wilfully ignorant.
3. One of the big things artists and cultural creatives do and have done throughout history is to subvert the normal. White protagonists and white actors are normal in our culture... Black protagonists and actors are not...
"I don't think this topic is anything other than another painfully overt dogwhistle which follow a by now preset formula. It's bloody tiresome but what can you do. Noel Gallagher thought it 'just wrong' that Jay-Z headlined saturday night at Glastonberry. Here we have some snowflakes threatened by a black actress. Just another round in the culture wars. | |||
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"With so many inaccurate films out there I dont see the point complaining. Many roles have been played by actors who aren’t native to the character, it is what it is luckily it’s called ACTING. Does skin tones define how well the actor plays said character? I understand and accept what you mean but I always like to look at things like this the other way around. Would people be happy for a white actor to play Martin Luther King or a white actress playing Rosa Parks, the incredibly brave black women who refused to move to the back of the bus in 1955 Montgomery, USA? 1. There is a difference between a portrayal of a recent historical figure to a portrayal of Anne Boleyn. Shocked that something so basic really has to be said. I mean, honestly some of this thread beggars belief
2. The matter of identity politics and cultural representation isn't as simple as switching races. There's a whole lot of other baggage involved which can't be ignored. It's complicated, and often messy, but it's there and anyone who fails to see that has either just not thought about it enough, is a moron, or is wilfully ignorant.
3. One of the big things artists and cultural creatives do and have done throughout history is to subvert the normal. White protagonists and white actors are normal in our culture... Black protagonists and actors are not...
I don't think this topic is anything other than another painfully overt dogwhistle which follow a by now preset formula. It's bloody tiresome but what can you do. Noel Gallagher thought it 'just wrong' that Jay-Z headlined saturday night at Glastonberry. Here we have some snowflakes threatened by a black actress. Just another round in the culture wars. "Yup. Offended snowflakes everywhere. It must be exhausting for them. | |||
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"With so many inaccurate films out there I dont see the point complaining. Many roles have been played by actors who aren’t native to the character, it is what it is luckily it’s called ACTING. Does skin tones define how well the actor plays said character? I understand and accept what you mean but I always like to look at things like this the other way around. Would people be happy for a white actor to play Martin Luther King or a white actress playing Rosa Parks, the incredibly brave black women who refused to move to the back of the bus in 1955 Montgomery, USA? White players have been depicting black people for centuries, crikey in the 70's the (fake) Black & White Minstrel show was Saturday night primetime viewing..there were few whites who objected then that it was an ethnically incorrect portrayal of black people and I'd say now that many of the detractors on this thread (not you btw) would still be apologists for it! Thank you, the "blacking up" in the past was wrong too." The point is it wasn't considered wrong, hence its prevalence in mainstream 'entertainment' at the time, there's a delicious irony that the newly enlightened detractors might be also be considered members of the 'woke' generation, a phenomenon they claim to detest! | |||
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"With so many inaccurate films out there I dont see the point complaining. Many roles have been played by actors who aren’t native to the character, it is what it is luckily it’s called ACTING. Does skin tones define how well the actor plays said character? I understand and accept what you mean but I always like to look at things like this the other way around. Would people be happy for a white actor to play Martin Luther King or a white actress playing Rosa Parks, the incredibly brave black women who refused to move to the back of the bus in 1955 Montgomery, USA? White players have been depicting black people for centuries, crikey in the 70's the (fake) Black & White Minstrel show was Saturday night primetime viewing..there were few whites who objected then that it was an ethnically incorrect portrayal of black people and I'd say now that many of the detractors on this thread (not you btw) would still be apologists for it!" I don't apologise but it was bloody good entertainment. The Strictly of its day.. | |||
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"With so many inaccurate films out there I dont see the point complaining. Many roles have been played by actors who aren’t native to the character, it is what it is luckily it’s called ACTING. Does skin tones define how well the actor plays said character? I understand and accept what you mean but I always like to look at things like this the other way around. Would people be happy for a white actor to play Martin Luther King or a white actress playing Rosa Parks, the incredibly brave black women who refused to move to the back of the bus in 1955 Montgomery, USA? White players have been depicting black people for centuries, crikey in the 70's the (fake) Black & White Minstrel show was Saturday night primetime viewing..there were few whites who objected then that it was an ethnically incorrect portrayal of black people and I'd say now that many of the detractors on this thread (not you btw) would still be apologists for it! I don't apologise but it was bloody good entertainment. The Strictly of its day.." But we aren't discussing the quality of the entertainment but whether it's appropriate black should portray whites and visa versa? | |||
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"With so many inaccurate films out there I dont see the point complaining. Many roles have been played by actors who aren’t native to the character, it is what it is luckily it’s called ACTING. Does skin tones define how well the actor plays said character? I understand and accept what you mean but I always like to look at things like this the other way around. Would people be happy for a white actor to play Martin Luther King or a white actress playing Rosa Parks, the incredibly brave black women who refused to move to the back of the bus in 1955 Montgomery, USA? White players have been depicting black people for centuries, crikey in the 70's the (fake) Black & White Minstrel show was Saturday night primetime viewing..there were few whites who objected then that it was an ethnically incorrect portrayal of black people and I'd say now that many of the detractors on this thread (not you btw) would still be apologists for it! I don't apologise but it was bloody good entertainment. The Strictly of its day.. But we aren't discussing the quality of the entertainment but whether it's appropriate black should portray whites and visa versa?" Sadly other than a few perspectives of interest, the majority of the thread has been less about any debate about the actually interesting subject of race and culture, and more about low-grade racist fuckery and ignorance... some unconscious, some not. | |||
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