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"For me angry sex isn’t violent. It’s that post argument, tension smashing sex where it’s just a bit more frantic, urgent - a ‘I might claw his back a bit harder cos I need it now’ thing. What was described in the op wouldn’t be at all welcome for me. " This is what I have always called 'Makeup hate fuck'. Raw, passionate, harder, faster and blows the memories of an argument well away. | |||
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"I'm worried that folk do not know the difference between bdsm, abuse, anger, hate, frustration, etc etc" Absolutely this. It's fucking terrifying. The widespread inability to distinguish between consensual BDSM play and abuse scares the shit out of me. Look at the success of Fifty Shades of Shite – textbook abusive, manipulative, controlling relationship marketed as idealised, romantic BDSM. Properly horrifying. | |||
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"I often wonder if it's because the role of men in society is becoming less clear cut and many men cant be the alpha male type anywhere else." | |||
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"A combination of porn influences and the sad fact some people actually don't like or respect the opposite sex. In my opinion." The amount of people on here looking for sex with people they openly hate is unbelievable. It's quite worrying what they will do if they get a meet. | |||
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"Are sex acts or the intention behind the sex getting more violent and aggressive? Ive never noticed it on fab before but seems everywhere now. I dont want to kink shame or disrespect anyones enjoyment but the concept makes me rather uncomfortable blow jobs until vomiting or impact activity that seems more like an mma match than sex i’d like to hear others thoughts and opinions please " On the thread about Jesy Nelson the other day... the thread about the young woman who is suffering mental health issues due to people treating her badly and fuck knows what else... At least 2 men stated they would "throat fuck" her. | |||
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"For me angry sex isn’t violent. It’s that post argument, tension smashing sex where it’s just a bit more frantic, urgent - a ‘I might claw his back a bit harder cos I need it now’ thing. What was described in the op wouldn’t be at all welcome for me. This is what I have always called 'Makeup hate fuck'. Raw, passionate, harder, faster and blows the memories of an argument well away." This is my interpretation of angry sex too. "I love you but I'm mad at you, you sexy fucking cunt" sex | |||
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"I find people on this site have little understanding of BDSM and its nuances. They use vanilla language to describe BDSM acts which may be safe and consensual. But because they are vanilla they cannot distinguish between safe (as possible) fully informed consensual acts and abuse which is (non consensual acts, non consent includes withholding information. There is also the position that someone wants a particular scene but find they are out of depths and feel unable to voice this at the time. So let's take "angry sex" what is meant by this? Is it role-playing or rough sex with consent or someone abusing a person, when I say abuse I mean non consensual play? I think we need to get our terms right. I would just mention the porn argument. There is a load of very bad kink orientated porn. But because it is porn it is orientated around sex, and can give a false idea that kink is all about sex. But there are elements in some of that porn that replicate what adults consensually want (for some sex is an important part of their scene). I have seen what some would call porn orientated scenes in real life play in dungeons and private parties. I will touch on the fact that some see BDSM as a lifestyle, and manage successfully. It is no different than those that adopt a cuckold lifestyle or a hot wife lifestyle or even swinging. Everyone lives their lives in a way to suit themselves. If you were to ask a non swinger about "greedy girls" they may not believe that this is done by women who are not damaged. Or wives that swing, the non swinger may think the wives only do it to make their husbands happy. The whole issue in this is consent and agency. This is not to say that BDSM is all sweetness and light. I have heard from too many submissives that they were nearly put off BDSM due to very bad first time experiences. But that is not only a BDSM issue more that in every level society there are terrible people or ill educated people. I know many good people are trying to stop this abuse in their kink communities. It underlines the need for people to take their time with BDSM and understand what they are getting involved in, and the nature of the person with whom they they want to try BDSM. " Get out of my brain! Stealing my ideas, and then wording them even better. Man makes a great point and explains it so well. Before you can understand something, you need to ask those that take part in it why, have them explain and educate you. Often times things make a lot more sense. Quite often there will be many varied reasons why somebody likes something that may seem strange and horrifying to you. Why the fuck do people find enjoyment in watching Love Island!? For example that I find much more horrifying and a breakdown of civilization than any form of fully consensual sex act, violent or not. | |||
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"I find people on this site have little understanding of BDSM and its nuances. They use vanilla language to describe BDSM acts which may be safe and consensual. But because they are vanilla they cannot distinguish between safe (as possible) fully informed consensual acts and abuse which is (non consensual acts, non consent includes withholding information. There is also the position that someone wants a particular scene but find they are out of depths and feel unable to voice this at the time. So let's take "angry sex" what is meant by this? Is it role-playing or rough sex with consent or someone abusing a person, when I say abuse I mean non consensual play? I think we need to get our terms right. I would just mention the porn argument. There is a load of very bad kink orientated porn. But because it is porn it is orientated around sex, and can give a false idea that kink is all about sex. But there are elements in some of that porn that replicate what adults consensually want (for some sex is an important part of their scene). I have seen what some would call porn orientated scenes in real life play in dungeons and private parties. I will touch on the fact that some see BDSM as a lifestyle, and manage successfully. It is no different than those that adopt a cuckold lifestyle or a hot wife lifestyle or even swinging. Everyone lives their lives in a way to suit themselves. If you were to ask a non swinger about "greedy girls" they may not believe that this is done by women who are not damaged. Or wives that swing, the non swinger may think the wives only do it to make their husbands happy. The whole issue in this is consent and agency. This is not to say that BDSM is all sweetness and light. I have heard from too many submissives that they were nearly put off BDSM due to very bad first time experiences. But that is not only a BDSM issue more that in every level society there are terrible people or ill educated people. I know many good people are trying to stop this abuse in their kink communities. It underlines the need for people to take their time with BDSM and understand what they are getting involved in, and the nature of the person with whom they they want to try BDSM. " I don’t think the op was actually talking about bdsm scene, but the discussion shifted that way. Best to start another thread on sex in bdsm scene. It’s far too complex to generalise a life style that involve too many practices. | |||
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"its well documented that easy access to (increasingly extreme) porn is desensitising, leading users down the rabbit hole inorder to feel a thrill. Where will it end?" It's like the lyric from a Pulp song 'what exactly do you do for an encore?' I remember stealing a glimpse at topshelf magazines as a teen. The glossy lipstick, hint of a nipple and seductive smile of the beautiful girls gracing the covers. Immediate tightness in the trousers. Nowadays, I barely raise an eyebrow as a result of your statement. I'm going back to the classic European porn cica 1988-00 passionate sexy and importantly, with a level dynamic of respect between the sexes. I'm not against a bit of kink, but aggressive, nah. I don't want to use a woman's body as a stress ball. Hate those gonzo style films where gym rats covered in ink squeeze and grip a women around the throat. Some must enjoy it though. All women love a bastard I was told once. Perhaps they like violent ones too? | |||
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"its well documented that easy access to (increasingly extreme) porn is desensitising, leading users down the rabbit hole inorder to feel a thrill. Where will it end? It's like the lyric from a Pulp song 'what exactly do you do for an encore?' I remember stealing a glimpse at topshelf magazines as a teen. The glossy lipstick, hint of a nipple and seductive smile of the beautiful girls gracing the covers. Immediate tightness in the trousers. Nowadays, I barely raise an eyebrow as a result of your statement. I'm going back to the classic European porn cica 1988-00 passionate sexy and importantly, with a level dynamic of respect between the sexes. I'm not against a bit of kink, but aggressive, nah. I don't want to use a woman's body as a stress ball. Hate those gonzo style films where gym rats covered in ink squeeze and grip a women around the throat. Some must enjoy it though. All women love a bastard I was told once. Perhaps they like violent ones too?" Porn now is available on every kids phones. In your days you couldn’t access to it only in sex shop or movies xxx theatre, so not until you were 21. I worked on a sex shop in Paris and anything out of norm was sold under the counter, most stuff came from Germany, hard core. It was “violent” but set in scene. So now kids started with soft porn and gradually want to see more violent just like they love violent games. It’s a new culture. Who created that demand not sure. I remember Jacobs on iPhone stating it’s not about the product but consumer self creating demand product that’s important. So I guess porn site using data analytics upload more violent agressive sex scene. | |||
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" I don’t think the op was actually talking about bdsm scene, but the discussion shifted that way. Best to start another thread on sex in bdsm scene. It’s far too complex to generalise a life style that involve too many practices. " Very correct. Bdsm is a separate entity. I do get ppl twist bdsm to be something more nefarious and there is work being done to set bdsm apart from abuse. Where 2 adults are FULLY consenting that is their business. But The expectation that everyone likes to or wants to be bashed about during sex is where I take umbrage, Personally. Primary contact comments, to a complete stranger, such as, ‘you’d look great on you knees with my cock in your mouth’ or ‘i want to fcuk you up the arse’ to me stem from a negative place. | |||
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"I get it inside the bedroom but it really worries me when people 'live the lifestyle' and get dominated in day to day life too. I know some people claim to enjoy it but I still can't get my head around it. " Why does it worry you only outside the bedroom? I would say that giving up control in the bedroom was far more risky than outside. | |||
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"A combination of porn influences and the sad fact some people actually don't like or respect the opposite sex. In my opinion." Personally I've received a far higher level of respect from men within the BDSM scene than outside of it. | |||
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"A combination of porn influences and the sad fact some people actually don't like or respect the opposite sex. In my opinion. Personally I've received a far higher level of respect from men within the BDSM scene than outside of it. " Just to qualify what I said, I didn't mean in a consensual relationship/encounter. What I meant was how some people seem to think fairly extreme sexual behaviour is the norm or can be used as an opener to a sexual conversation. A random messaging me and asking me if I want to be "throat fucked til I vomit" isn't any kind of sexy to me. | |||
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"A combination of porn influences and the sad fact some people actually don't like or respect the opposite sex. In my opinion. Personally I've received a far higher level of respect from men within the BDSM scene than outside of it. Just to qualify what I said, I didn't mean in a consensual relationship/encounter. What I meant was how some people seem to think fairly extreme sexual behaviour is the norm or can be used as an opener to a sexual conversation. A random messaging me and asking me if I want to be "throat fucked til I vomit" isn't any kind of sexy to me. " I see what you mean. That anyone thinks those of us into this will jump into it with just anyone is baffling. | |||
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"A combination of porn influences and the sad fact some people actually don't like or respect the opposite sex. In my opinion. Personally I've received a far higher level of respect from men within the BDSM scene than outside of it. Just to qualify what I said, I didn't mean in a consensual relationship/encounter. What I meant was how some people seem to think fairly extreme sexual behaviour is the norm or can be used as an opener to a sexual conversation. A random messaging me and asking me if I want to be "throat fucked til I vomit" isn't any kind of sexy to me. I see what you mean. That anyone thinks those of us into this will jump into it with just anyone is baffling. " Part of the ongoing wider assumption that just because someone is into something sometimes, they're into it all the time. Absolute plague. | |||
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"Anyone engaging in SM activities such as impact play, ultra violence, or restrained/CNC type sexual activity that is not in a clear frame of mind is a danger to themselves and others. Anyone engaging in that type of play where it is not consensual on both sides, such as your lady friend doing it to keep the man interested, is again not following the tenants of SSC RACK or PRICK and is likely to end up a victim of abuse or in am abusive situation. " Well said, 100% Agree. CNC and impact play is something we enjoy between us, not as a staple but when our heads are 'in that place'. It's something that's always been there in the background from day one but took years of communication, respect and trust before taking those steps. Not something we'd want from fab meets, ever. Would never cross that road with strangers from here. | |||
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"A combination of porn influences and the sad fact some people actually don't like or respect the opposite sex. In my opinion. Personally I've received a far higher level of respect from men within the BDSM scene than outside of it. Just to qualify what I said, I didn't mean in a consensual relationship/encounter. What I meant was how some people seem to think fairly extreme sexual behaviour is the norm or can be used as an opener to a sexual conversation. A random messaging me and asking me if I want to be "throat fucked til I vomit" isn't any kind of sexy to me. I see what you mean. That anyone thinks those of us into this will jump into it with just anyone is baffling. Part of the ongoing wider assumption that just because someone is into something sometimes, they're into it all the time. Absolute plague. " Yep. I had a guy not meet me because he decided he wasn't what I was looking for because of my BDSM interests. I like sex too though. It doesn't always involve whips and chains . | |||
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"A combination of porn influences and the sad fact some people actually don't like or respect the opposite sex. In my opinion. Personally I've received a far higher level of respect from men within the BDSM scene than outside of it. Just to qualify what I said, I didn't mean in a consensual relationship/encounter. What I meant was how some people seem to think fairly extreme sexual behaviour is the norm or can be used as an opener to a sexual conversation. A random messaging me and asking me if I want to be "throat fucked til I vomit" isn't any kind of sexy to me. I see what you mean. That anyone thinks those of us into this will jump into it with just anyone is baffling. Part of the ongoing wider assumption that just because someone is into something sometimes, they're into it all the time. Absolute plague. Yep. I had a guy not meet me because he decided he wasn't what I was looking for because of my BDSM interests. I like sex too though. It doesn't always involve whips and chains ." That guy must be mad to turn a sexy lady like you!! Unless it was you holding the whip | |||
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"A combination of porn influences and the sad fact some people actually don't like or respect the opposite sex. In my opinion. Personally I've received a far higher level of respect from men within the BDSM scene than outside of it. Just to qualify what I said, I didn't mean in a consensual relationship/encounter. What I meant was how some people seem to think fairly extreme sexual behaviour is the norm or can be used as an opener to a sexual conversation. A random messaging me and asking me if I want to be "throat fucked til I vomit" isn't any kind of sexy to me. I see what you mean. That anyone thinks those of us into this will jump into it with just anyone is baffling. Part of the ongoing wider assumption that just because someone is into something sometimes, they're into it all the time. Absolute plague. Yep. I had a guy not meet me because he decided he wasn't what I was looking for because of my BDSM interests. I like sex too though. It doesn't always involve whips and chains ." That's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Yes, I do have various BDSM interests, but I'm reluctant to bring them up in the context of vanilla swinging because it makes people backpedal hard away from me because... they think kink is a prerequisite rather than an optional extra? That I'm going to sneakily lure them in and trick them into doing a thing they're not into? I don't know. Ugh. Humans. Who understands them? | |||
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"A combination of porn influences and the sad fact some people actually don't like or respect the opposite sex. In my opinion. Personally I've received a far higher level of respect from men within the BDSM scene than outside of it. Just to qualify what I said, I didn't mean in a consensual relationship/encounter. What I meant was how some people seem to think fairly extreme sexual behaviour is the norm or can be used as an opener to a sexual conversation. A random messaging me and asking me if I want to be "throat fucked til I vomit" isn't any kind of sexy to me. I see what you mean. That anyone thinks those of us into this will jump into it with just anyone is baffling. Part of the ongoing wider assumption that just because someone is into something sometimes, they're into it all the time. Absolute plague. Yep. I had a guy not meet me because he decided he wasn't what I was looking for because of my BDSM interests. I like sex too though. It doesn't always involve whips and chains . That's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Yes, I do have various BDSM interests, but I'm reluctant to bring them up in the context of vanilla swinging because it makes people backpedal hard away from me because... they think kink is a prerequisite rather than an optional extra? That I'm going to sneakily lure them in and trick them into doing a thing they're not into? I don't know. Ugh. Humans. Who understands them? " Certainly not me | |||
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" But The expectation that everyone likes to or wants to be bashed about during sex is where I take umbrage, Personally. Primary contact comments, to a complete stranger, such as, ‘you’d look great on you knees with my cock in your mouth’ or ‘i want to fcuk you up the arse’ to me stem from a negative place. " Agreed. And it's not about BDSM. It's objectfying women as a container to cum in. I think it comes more from Incel culture than any consensual practices. Incel culture feels that women owe them sex, and if they withhold it its about power not desire. So if I say no I'm not acting on the fact I don't fancy them (why wouldn't I fancy them? They are virile and attractive! In their eyes) I must, instead, be demonstrating my power over them. Fall far enough down the Incel rabbit hole and sex stops being a mutually pleasurable experience and becomes an act of war. I will reclaim my power! I will face fuck you till you vomit. I will take you up the arse. You will submit your agency to prop up my fragile ego! Angry sex isn't about having sex. It's about having power. And, from what I know of BDSM, the aren't equivalents. | |||
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" A random messaging me and asking me if I want to be "throat fucked til I vomit" isn't any kind of sexy to me. " So, to drag this back onto the op's point... How many here would find vomiting from a blow job a satisfactory end to a meet? How many men here would punch the air, yelling, "Achievement unlocked!" if they made someone vomit with their penis? | |||
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"Are sex acts or the intention behind the sex getting more violent and aggressive? Ive never noticed it on fab before but seems everywhere now. I dont want to kink shame or disrespect anyones enjoyment but the concept makes me rather uncomfortable blow jobs until vomiting or impact activity that seems more like an mma match than sex i’d like to hear others thoughts and opinions please " I know some women who've had sexual trauma that have a hard time enjoying normal or vanilla sex and seek the violent things you described It's very sad to see those situations. We need to emphasize the importance of sexual consent. But if two individuals are consenting adults - who am I to judge | |||
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"Are sex acts or the intention behind the sex getting more violent and aggressive? Ive never noticed it on fab before but seems everywhere now. I dont want to kink shame or disrespect anyones enjoyment but the concept makes me rather uncomfortable blow jobs until vomiting or impact activity that seems more like an mma match than sex i’d like to hear others thoughts and opinions please " Damaged | |||
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" But The expectation that everyone likes to or wants to be bashed about during sex is where I take umbrage, Personally. Primary contact comments, to a complete stranger, such as, ‘you’d look great on you knees with my cock in your mouth’ or ‘i want to fcuk you up the arse’ to me stem from a negative place. Agreed. And it's not about BDSM. It's objectfying women as a container to cum in. I think it comes more from Incel culture than any consensual practices. Incel culture feels that women owe them sex, and if they withhold it its about power not desire. So if I say no I'm not acting on the fact I don't fancy them (why wouldn't I fancy them? They are virile and attractive! In their eyes) I must, instead, be demonstrating my power over them. Fall far enough down the Incel rabbit hole and sex stops being a mutually pleasurable experience and becomes an act of war. I will reclaim my power! I will face fuck you till you vomit. I will take you up the arse. You will submit your agency to prop up my fragile ego! Angry sex isn't about having sex. It's about having power. And, from what I know of BDSM, the aren't equivalents. " Bdsm is totally different to this new angry sex culture thats has cropped up. Even in bdsm the boundries are defined, discussed and consented to prior to any play. Yes you push her boundries pleasure pain wise,but you do not act on anything that has not been consented to. I love my woman and she is my world. Pleasuring her is the goal and not abusing her. Angry sex is not for me. Each to their own though. John | |||
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" A random messaging me and asking me if I want to be "throat fucked til I vomit" isn't any kind of sexy to me. So, to drag this back onto the op's point... How many here would find vomiting from a blow job a satisfactory end to a meet? How many men here would punch the air, yelling, "Achievement unlocked!" if they made someone vomit with their penis? " what? Is that a thing | |||
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"Are sex acts or the intention behind the sex getting more violent and aggressive? Ive never noticed it on fab before but seems everywhere now. I dont want to kink shame or disrespect anyones enjoyment but the concept makes me rather uncomfortable blow jobs until vomiting or impact activity that seems more like an mma match than sex i’d like to hear others thoughts and opinions please " Violent and aggressive "angry sex" is wrong... unless all participants give informed and enthusiastic consent, in which case it's fine. "Blow jobs until vomiting" are wrong... unless all participants give informed and enthusiastic consent, in which case they're fine. "Activity that seems more like an MMA match than sex" is wrong... unless all participants give informed and enthusiasic consent, in which case it's fine. Any non-consensual sexual activity is wrong... unless all participants give informed and enthusiastic consent, in which case it's fine. Informed. Enthusiastic. Consent. That's the difference between healthy BDSM activity and abuse. It's that simple. Humans have a real problem with saying "Such-and-such a thing is WRONG!" when what they *should* be saying is "Nah, not for me, thanks. You have fun, though." | |||
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"For me angry sex isn’t violent. It’s that post argument, tension smashing sex where it’s just a bit more frantic, urgent - a ‘I might claw his back a bit harder cos I need it now’ thing. What was described in the op wouldn’t be at all welcome for me. This is what I have always called 'Makeup hate fuck'. Raw, passionate, harder, faster and blows the memories of an argument well away." This is my take on it too. For me it's intense and the emotions that fuel it are different. It's never violent or forced in anyway. If anyone fucked my mouth so hard I was sick I would leave and never see them again. It's not really about domination but I do get off on having the power over a man at those points. | |||
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