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"You’re quite probably correct, and if a single m has photos of him a woman on his profile I tend to avoid " It just fills me with anxiety, like we don’t even know the premises of how they’ve come about etc. Like I’ve had ex partners etc, which in the past we’ve taken photos together.. But always thought out of respect, to delete them once you guys aren’t a thing??? | |||
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"Yep, More so if they’ve no verifications or none from females anyway. Feel the same about all categories though. Couples with pics of another female in a home setting yet only verified by single males. Same thing, did they know he was taking the pic? More so if their back is to the camera etc. S" True, it’s not just single males. Your aren’t wrong about couple profiles either, like you could have a genuine couple but the girlfriend/wife not knowing the pictures are on the site? :/ | |||
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"It's a good filter. They won't be coming anywhere near my wife as I wouldn't want her photo used on their profile in the future. " Honestly couldn’t blame you mate | |||
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"You’re quite probably correct, and if a single m has photos of him a woman on his profile I tend to avoid " Yes it's something that doesn't sit well with me, mostly due to consent concerns. I use it as a filter and avoid. | |||
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" Really shocks me to hear people are using photos of others without concent on here. I'm surprised its allowed actually " How would you police it though in reality? | |||
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"I agree you shouldn’t use photos without consent. However it seems people automatically assume they don’t have consent? They may have permission to use them. Personally I don’t like those pictures in single profiles with or without consent" The OP stated he is doing it without permission | |||
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"Single M, with pictures of their cock & and a woman. Am I right in thinking I feel somewhat uncomfortable that some of these woman won’t be aware of these pictures being public?? :| " I thought the same. I find it weird that couples profiles where it’s like 10 Of the fat guys small cock and then one of the woman on the beach - she probably doesn’t know re profile has been created | |||
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"So what is the solution, only allow couples photos on couples profiles and completely single ones on single profiles - no hands /toes /dics /bits of bodies etc? No multiple play on any profile ? Let's say we implemented a double verification step.. You'd still have people circumventing it by getting someone else to say it was them? I don't know how to solve? " This is true, from a simple development point of view you couldn’t get real proof of the other party in the picture as you are still relying on the honesty and discretion of the person uploading the picture. If they say this is Sarah and here is her consent they can’t check it is her and she did indeed consent. | |||
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"Single M, with pictures of their cock & and a woman. Am I right in thinking I feel somewhat uncomfortable that some of these woman won’t be aware of these pictures being public?? :| " I would only ever allow use of MY camera so that I am in control of how the pics are used | |||
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"I agree you shouldn’t use photos without consent. However it seems people automatically assume they don’t have consent? They may have permission to use them. Personally I don’t like those pictures in single profiles with or without consent The OP stated he is doing it without permission " Yes and I’m saying how do we know someone is doing it without permission? I for example feature in some pictures on a single woman’s profile. I gave permission. But on lookers don’t know that | |||
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"I think it depends on the image. If it's just something like a closeup of a cock up her bum and that's all you can see it's probably alright. People with BJ pics and ones where you can see faces is not unless she's agreed xx" If it's a single profile and the face of the person that's not the profile owner is clearly visible then I'd report it as it's against pic rules regardless of whether consent has been given. | |||
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"I think what we are learning most on this forum is about honesty. Some are blatantly honest and respectful, whereas others think this is non existent or falls under a grey area. Other examples are married people claiming to be single. Couples profiles with only 1 person behind it. Stating safe sex and asking for bb. We all know people are guilty of these and its a main worry. Maybe I am naive to think (wishful thinking) that people would be honest on a swinging site but this simply isn't true. Its a shame too for those genuine people here who don't play games. " Absolutely honesty and trust are the key things here - sadly it's too easy to get caught up in the excitement of a "meet" and lose sight of some of those things, especially when all you really have to go on is words on a screen. It's one reason that anyone I've met I've spent time getting to know them a little and building a level of trust before actually meeting, for their protection as much as my own. | |||
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"Single M, with pictures of their cock & and a woman. Am I right in thinking I feel somewhat uncomfortable that some of these woman won’t be aware of these pictures being public?? :| I would only ever allow use of MY camera so that I am in control of how the pics are used " But then what if someone stole your photo, you didn't know.. Said it was them and their mate and they had approval to show? | |||
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"OP, some of us make a point of getting the consent of the people in our photos, but it makes no difference (even if you mention it. I used to have a couple of photos of me on here with women, but for some reason us single men are considered weird for it. Whereas women can have photos of themselves sucking 5 dicks and everyone thinks that's hot. The double/triple standards on here surrounding gender are staggering." | |||
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"OP, some of us make a point of getting the consent of the people in our photos, but it makes no difference (even if you mention it. I used to have a couple of photos of me on here with women, but for some reason us single men are considered weird for it. Whereas women can have photos of themselves sucking 5 dicks and everyone thinks that's hot. The double/triple standards on here surrounding gender are staggering. " Maybe just me but I have never uploaded a pic with someone else in it. I have no plans to do this in future either but if I did, it would be with their full concent or it simply wouldn't happen. I give respect and expect the same respect in turn. There may be women out there who do this but I'm not one of them | |||
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"OP, some of us make a point of getting the consent of the people in our photos, but it makes no difference (even if you mention it. I used to have a couple of photos of me on here with women, but for some reason us single men are considered weird for it. Whereas women can have photos of themselves sucking 5 dicks and everyone thinks that's hot. The double/triple standards on here surrounding gender are staggering. Maybe just me but I have never uploaded a pic with someone else in it. I have no plans to do this in future either but if I did, it would be with their full concent or it simply wouldn't happen. I give respect and expect the same respect in turn. There may be women out there who do this but I'm not one of them" No it isn't just you, and no there's nothing right or wrong about posting photos of yourself with someone else. Everyone has the right to do so, regardless of what anyone else thinks. This is one of the main problems on this site - bigotry and judgement of others. For a site that should be all about inclusivity, the so called 'community' on here, does literally nothing to support it's members. | |||
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"I've been the victim of revenge porn, with pics being sent to my neighbours, my business associates and family, to ruin my reputation. I had him arrested ut i make sure the pics are now mine, there are no copies and i ask permission before uploading" What a cunt! God is slow but sure he will Have no luck x | |||
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"We simply agree to disagree on this matter. I see it as an invasion of privacy to have photos being used by people without my knowledge. I choose to put photos up here for people to see. I choose not to engage in photos during meets to prevent people using them and displaying them. " I think we're talking at cross purposes - I of course agree with you on revenge porn and whether or not you choose to have or show photos of you with others. I'm talking about a slightly different point - to be clear, I mean it's OK to have photos of yourself with others with their consent. | |||
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"Ah, apologies. I thought you were advocating for using photos without consent. I must have read you comment wrong. " I was in part talking about the concept of photos with others - this is OK. The issue of consent exists, but I was talking about them as separate issues. Photos with others (as a concept) = OK Photos with others with consent = OK Photos of others without consent = not OK. There | |||
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"I've been the victim of revenge porn, with pics being sent to my neighbours, my business associates and family, to ruin my reputation. I had him arrested ut i make sure the pics are now mine, there are no copies and i ask permission before uploading" Jees that is disgusting | |||
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"Ah, apologies. I thought you were advocating for using photos without consent. I must have read you comment wrong. I was in part talking about the concept of photos with others - this is OK. The issue of consent exists, but I was talking about them as separate issues. Photos with others (as a concept) = OK Photos with others with consent = OK Photos of others without consent = not OK. There " But even with this.. How do you 'prove' it to the rest of fab? So i show photos with consent of other party .. But how does anyone else know that i have consent? | |||
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"Ah, apologies. I thought you were advocating for using photos without consent. I must have read you comment wrong. I was in part talking about the concept of photos with others - this is OK. The issue of consent exists, but I was talking about them as separate issues. Photos with others (as a concept) = OK Photos with others with consent = OK Photos of others without consent = not OK. There But even with this.. How do you 'prove' it to the rest of fab? So i show photos with consent of other party .. But how does anyone else know that i have consent? " I said exactly that in a previous post on this very thread. You can't prove anything even if you talk about it on your profile. Everyone on here thinks everyone who owns a penis is a liar, a thief and an Internet-wank-twat anyway. | |||
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"Herein lies the problem. In an ideal world, only photos of others would be used on this site with concent. That would make things nice and simple but clearly not everyone agrees with this opinion. Hence the problem. Woukd make things so much easier if people were honest and considerate but oh well" Most of us ARE honest and considerate on here - sadly it's the photo collectors, abusive messages, time wasters, and fake profiles that mean everyone is basically awful to each other a lot of the time. Fabswingers needs a good clean-up, but it'll never happen. | |||
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"Herein lies the problem. In an ideal world, only photos of others would be used on this site with concent. That would make things nice and simple but clearly not everyone agrees with this opinion. Hence the problem. Woukd make things so much easier if people were honest and considerate but oh well" I think we are in loud agreement lol, but perhaps talking past each other... that is what we are saying... How would you establish consent and police it and let others know you had consent ? | |||
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"Ah, apologies. I thought you were advocating for using photos without consent. I must have read you comment wrong. I was in part talking about the concept of photos with others - this is OK. The issue of consent exists, but I was talking about them as separate issues. Photos with others (as a concept) = OK Photos with others with consent = OK Photos of others without consent = not OK. There But even with this.. How do you 'prove' it to the rest of fab? So i show photos with consent of other party .. But how does anyone else know that i have consent? I said exactly that in a previous post on this very thread. You can't prove anything even if you talk about it on your profile. Everyone on here thinks everyone who owns a penis is a liar, a thief and an Internet-wank-twat anyway. " Awwe i don't think you are an Internet-wank-twat | |||
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"You’re quite probably correct, and if a single m has photos of him a woman on his profile I tend to avoid " Same hear it shows the man with them on lacks any discretion or respect for others and best avoided. | |||
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"You’re quite probably correct, and if a single m has photos of him a woman on his profile I tend to avoid Same hear it shows the man with them on lacks any discretion or respect for others and best avoided." but how do you know he doesn't have permission?? Its blowing my mind this generalisation | |||
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"Single M, with pictures of their cock & and a woman. Am I right in thinking I feel somewhat uncomfortable that some of these woman won’t be aware of these pictures being public?? :| " | |||
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"Yep, More so if they’ve no verifications or none from females anyway. Feel the same about all categories though. Couples with pics of another female in a home setting yet only verified by single males. Same thing, did they know he was taking the pic? More so if their back is to the camera etc. S True, it’s not just single males. Your aren’t wrong about couple profiles either, like you could have a genuine couple but the girlfriend/wife not knowing the pictures are on the site? :/ " I would think there would be some questions why you taking so many photos of us in bed, | |||
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"It doesn't matter if the general population on here knows if you have consent - what matters is that you have consent. The essence of consent, is the consent, not the proof of consent. You're mixing these things up." Yeah yeah i get that... But my play partner has permission to show our photo on his profile.. However comments here from others are implying because his profile is single male he is wrong to show it and likely doesn't have permission (even tho he does) .. So how would he prove he does.. ... Or you are saying, he doesn't need to prove it to anyone... Just let those who decide to block because they see a female on his profile get on with it and not worry about them being clueless? | |||
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"It doesn't matter if the general population on here knows if you have consent - what matters is that you have consent. The essence of consent, is the consent, not the proof of consent. You're mixing these things up. Yeah yeah i get that... But my play partner has permission to show our photo on his profile.. However comments here from others are implying because his profile is single male he is wrong to show it and likely doesn't have permission (even tho he does) .. So how would he prove he does.. ... Or you are saying, he doesn't need to prove it to anyone... Just let those who decide to block because they see a female on his profile get on with it and not worry about them being clueless? " Very much the latter. Public opinion also brought us Brexit, remember. | |||
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"It doesn't matter if the general population on here knows if you have consent - what matters is that you have consent. The essence of consent, is the consent, not the proof of consent. You're mixing these things up. Yeah yeah i get that... But my play partner has permission to show our photo on his profile.. However comments here from others are implying because his profile is single male he is wrong to show it and likely doesn't have permission (even tho he does) .. So how would he prove he does.. ... Or you are saying, he doesn't need to prove it to anyone... Just let those who decide to block because they see a female on his profile get on with it and not worry about them being clueless? Very much the latter. Public opinion also brought us Brexit, remember." 'kk gotcha | |||
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"Single M, with pictures of their cock & and a woman. Am I right in thinking I feel somewhat uncomfortable that some of these woman won’t be aware of these pictures being public?? :| I thought the same. I find it weird that couples profiles where it’s like 10 Of the fat guys small cock and then one of the woman on the beach - she probably doesn’t know re profile has been created" There’s also the couples profiles that have dozens of photos of the woman, and none of the man. If I’m interested in a couple, I’d like to see what both look like! | |||
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"Based on a lot of what goes on in here, the reality is that many women probably won't believe a guy on here when he says he has consent to show almost identifiable pics of a woman on his profile " Actually if it is somebody i start to chat to, then i take my time getting to know the person... You can easily figure out the players, chancers and sort the wheat from the chaff that way. Once you know the person it is much easier to use your judgement regarding whether they are trying to deceive you. Fortunately I've not been in a situation where I've been burned Although i have discovered two men who stole my photos and put them on their profiles, but Admin were amazing at sorting that issue out | |||
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"Yep, More so if they’ve no verifications or none from females anyway. Feel the same about all categories though. Couples with pics of another female in a home setting yet only verified by single males. Same thing, did they know he was taking the pic? More so if their back is to the camera etc. Only thing I want to comment on about verified single males, it's a catch 22 with this as if we cant get a meet because not been verified by a woman and meet then how are we supposed to get verified? S" | |||
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"Based on a lot of what goes on in here, the reality is that many women probably won't believe a guy on here when he says he has consent to show almost identifiable pics of a woman on his profile Actually if it is somebody i start to chat to, then i take my time getting to know the person... You can easily figure out the players, chancers and sort the wheat from the chaff that way. Once you know the person it is much easier to use your judgement regarding whether they are trying to deceive you. Fortunately I've not been in a situation where I've been burned Although i have discovered two men who stole my photos and put them on their profiles, but Admin were amazing at sorting that issue out " You're still only going to have their word though | |||
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"We only take photos during play with explicit permission from the people involved. We have some from other fabbers that we haven’t and will not post or share as that was the condition that was agreed. If they ask us to delete the copies we have, we will. The photos we post are to give an indication of what we do, which is less about vanilla sex amd more about our interests. " Great post | |||
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"What I feel uncomfortable is how some here assume, prejudge and execute without being 100% sure about the profile? Why don’t you ask if you are interested in that person ? And if you are not, why bother? It fuel more and more doubts and negativity on profile days after days on this forum. " Who's being executed? Personally, it makes me uncomfortable, and I'm inclined to avoid (although I say orange rather than red flag). That's my absolute prerogative for any or no reason. | |||
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"Single M, with pictures of their cock & and a woman. Am I right in thinking I feel somewhat uncomfortable that some of these woman won’t be aware of these pictures being public?? :| " There was something in another forum post about this a week or so ago. I strongly disagree with single profiles having pics up of other people as well as couples with pics etc of parties. We’ve had pics disapproved like spanking and light bdsm, but a single male profile can put pics up of a woman for example. | |||
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"Based on a lot of what goes on in here, the reality is that many women probably won't believe a guy on here when he says he has consent to show almost identifiable pics of a woman on his profile Actually if it is somebody i start to chat to, then i take my time getting to know the person... You can easily figure out the players, chancers and sort the wheat from the chaff that way. Once you know the person it is much easier to use your judgement regarding whether they are trying to deceive you. Fortunately I've not been in a situation where I've been burned Although i have discovered two men who stole my photos and put them on their profiles, but Admin were amazing at sorting that issue out You're still only going to have their word though " Yes.. There comes an element of trust at some point? It's like me telling you I have a degree.. I could print something off the internet or show you a real one I'd nicked off someone else. .. How would you know? You'd have to trust me? Ok, lets spin it.. You have men in several of your pics ... Do you have their consent and how do you prove it if people ask? Lets play devils advocate and go even further.... How do you prove your photos are really you? At some point there has to be an element of trust? Which comes after getting to know someone... Ultimately if its a scammer , they'll tell you whatever you want to hear regardless | |||
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"Single M, with pictures of their cock & and a woman. Am I right in thinking I feel somewhat uncomfortable that some of these woman won’t be aware of these pictures being public?? :| There was something in another forum post about this a week or so ago. I strongly disagree with single profiles having pics up of other people as well as couples with pics etc of parties. We’ve had pics disapproved like spanking and light bdsm, but a single male profile can put pics up of a woman for example. " But spanking is against the Gov rules of decency.. Along with several other things that it is not legal to depict... Female ejaculation being one of those! | |||
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"Single M, with pictures of their cock & and a woman. Am I right in thinking I feel somewhat uncomfortable that some of these woman won’t be aware of these pictures being public?? :| There was something in another forum post about this a week or so ago. I strongly disagree with single profiles having pics up of other people as well as couples with pics etc of parties. We’ve had pics disapproved like spanking and light bdsm, but a single male profile can put pics up of a woman for example. But spanking is against the Gov rules of decency.. Along with several other things that it is not legal to depict... Female ejaculation being one of those! " Wasn’t actual spanking, just a very red bum in the pic. | |||
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"Single M, with pictures of their cock & and a woman. Am I right in thinking I feel somewhat uncomfortable that some of these woman won’t be aware of these pictures being public?? :| There was something in another forum post about this a week or so ago. I strongly disagree with single profiles having pics up of other people as well as couples with pics etc of parties. We’ve had pics disapproved like spanking and light bdsm, but a single male profile can put pics up of a woman for example. But spanking is against the Gov rules of decency.. Along with several other things that it is not legal to depict... Female ejaculation being one of those! " That ruling was overturned a year or so ago - although does leave a grey area as a lot of what is allowed now is reliant on, and here comes that word again (!!) consent, so Fab errs on the side of caution by not allowing that type of pic | |||
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"Yep, More so if they’ve no verifications or none from females anyway. Feel the same about all categories though. Couples with pics of another female in a home setting yet only verified by single males. Same thing, did they know he was taking the pic? More so if their back is to the camera etc. Only thing I want to comment on about verified single males, it's a catch 22 with this as if we cant get a meet because not been verified by a woman and meet then how are we supposed to get verified? S" This one is old news & four odd years ago as an unverified newbie couple we were in the same boat, couldn’t get anyone local to meet, not even for a social after months. So we went to a club, in one night I think we got three or four social veries. No good now obviously but unless you have something outstanding about you chances are a cam or club/large social veri is where you need to look. Going back to the photo thing there’s not a lot we can do apart from as with anything else due diligence. As I said earlier a profile with others in pics, no veries or ones from the wrong sex & we’d automatically avoid them. As someone else said there are so many things to look out for, the couple with holiday type snaps of her or obvious selfies taken interspersed with pictures of his dick is pretty standard now. S | |||
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