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"I don't see the point in curbing the player's speech on the field when it's impossible to halt the torrent of swearing and abuse one hears from the stands. As for John Terry - well he walks on fookin water doesn't he, and he's going to be more smug than ever before this coming season now he believes he can get away with anything. Oh well, Ferdinand was no innocent party in this either as he'd been having a dig at Terry for shagging Wayne Bridge's missus. Must be great fun being a footballer! "unless you are wayne bridge or ryan giggs brother..  | |||
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"I don't see the point in curbing the player's speech on the field when it's impossible to halt the torrent of swearing and abuse one hears from the stands. As for John Terry - well he walks on fookin water doesn't he, and he's going to be more smug than ever before this coming season now he believes he can get away with anything. Oh well, Ferdinand was no innocent party in this either as he'd been having a dig at Terry for shagging Wayne Bridge's missus. Must be great fun being a footballer! ""objection your Honour, it was Wayne Bridge's ex missus" | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! " I agree, and Terry is no better  | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! I agree, and Terry is no better " | |||
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"Should never have gone to court in my opinion...... "i would love to know how much it has cost the taxpayer | |||
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"It will be interesting to see how the FA now react. Can a player be red carded for swearing at another player? Also, have you noticed how sportsman are now covering their mouths when talking to each other!" They have always been able to red card for abusive language and I have seen it happen over the years | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! " Which football would be a role model though? Rooney Fuck geriatric hookers, giggs bangs his SIL, gerrard smacks people around in nightclubs... list of human fralities goes on and on | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! Which football would be a role model though? Rooney Fuck geriatric hookers, giggs bangs his SIL, gerrard smacks people around in nightclubs... list of human fralities goes on and on" Rooney as he was just making love not war | |||
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"never please everyone in this case. those that are convinced wrong was done will always consider tery guilty. those that supported terry, will now be even more convinced ferdinand is a liar and has a chip on his shoulder. however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. as for curbing peoples language, sorry, but unless you lipread, which we all seem to be experts at, then stadia are way to noisey for anyone to actually hear whats said. sledging happens in all sports. its part of the psychology." well said | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! Which football would be a role model though? Rooney Fuck geriatric hookers, giggs bangs his SIL, gerrard smacks people around in nightclubs... list of human fralities goes on and on" and, personally, i think that is the best role model i would want for my kids. no one is any better than any one else. no matter your status in life, you are falable. you are just human! | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! Which football would be a role model though? Rooney Fuck geriatric hookers, giggs bangs his SIL, gerrard smacks people around in nightclubs... list of human fralities goes on and on and, personally, i think that is the best role model i would want for my kids. no one is any better than any one else. no matter your status in life, you are falable. you are just human!" I just wish the England players were less falable when they are actually playing.  | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! Which football would be a role model though? Rooney Fuck geriatric hookers, giggs bangs his SIL, gerrard smacks people around in nightclubs... list of human fralities goes on and on and, personally, i think that is the best role model i would want for my kids. no one is any better than any one else. no matter your status in life, you are falable. you are just human!" Realy? You would like your kids going round shaging their mates wives and calling ppl black b******s glad my parents did not think like that. And before you say he has been found not guilty we all saw iton telly no matter what shit excuse he put up for it. | |||
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"No other sport would let competitors get away with how footballers conduct themselves on the pitch. " You think so??? have you ever heard cricketers sledging each other.. makes me cringe and i am broad minded. its only the advent of stump mikes that has seen it decline in the top game, but in lower levels of the game its common place. | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! " Totally agree - the guy is a disgrace | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! Which football would be a role model though? Rooney Fuck geriatric hookers, giggs bangs his SIL, gerrard smacks people around in nightclubs... list of human fralities goes on and on and, personally, i think that is the best role model i would want for my kids. no one is any better than any one else. no matter your status in life, you are falable. you are just human! Realy? You would like your kids going round shaging their mates wives and calling ppl black b******s glad my parents did not think like that. And before you say he has been found not guilty we all saw iton telly no matter what shit excuse he put up for it. " i will say this once! as role models, in a football sense, i would want my kids to look up to them for the commitment to training and the dedication to being the best in their job. for role models in life i would much rather they looked at me, my father and family members. why would i want my kids to look at a stranger and see thats the way they should act? role models have to be put into context. why would you want YOUR children looking up to strangers on a personal level? | |||
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"No other sport would let competitors get away with how footballers conduct themselves on the pitch. " not all footballers get away with this sort of thing. john terry and steven gerrard, however, both seem able to do as they please with no fear of recriminations. | |||
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"It will be interesting to see how the FA now react. Can a player be red carded for swearing at another player? Also, have you noticed how sportsman are now covering their mouths when talking to each other! They have always been able to red card for abusive language and I have seen it happen over the years" See Wayne Rooney, n look what a shitstorm that provoked...... | |||
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"AS A MAN he is NOT a role model. thats why YOU have to be who YOUR kids look up to. AS A FOOTBALLER he makes the best of what he has (ie fitness and reads the game, but no pace, same as beckham) thats what you have to admire. purely on a skill level, he is average, but everything together, he has risen to captain his country. why would i not want my child to look at that and think 'you know what? i may not be 'the best' but if HE can do it, then why cant i', in whatever he chose to do." He was lucky enough to be blessed with a talent that few have but one thing we can all have that he doesnt appear to have is a good nature and tolerance. | |||
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"No other sport would let competitors get away with how footballers conduct themselves on the pitch. not all footballers get away with this sort of thing. john terry and steven gerrard, however, both seem able to do as they please with no fear of recriminations." thats bullshit.... what makes you think they can get away with what they want??? they have both been tried in a court of law under due process, and found to be innocent. That is why we have a justice system.. are you trying to imply that because of who they are they get a soft touch in court?? If anything they are more likely to get thrown to the lions because of who they are. We wernt in court, we didnt hear all the evidence, only what the media reported. The magistrates were there, they did hear all the evidence , they did see the people involved face to face and made their decision based on ALL the facts not just the titbits the press throw at us and want us to hear. | |||
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"AS A MAN he is NOT a role model. thats why YOU have to be who YOUR kids look up to. AS A FOOTBALLER he makes the best of what he has (ie fitness and reads the game, but no pace, same as beckham) thats what you have to admire. purely on a skill level, he is average, but everything together, he has risen to captain his country. why would i not want my child to look at that and think 'you know what? i may not be 'the best' but if HE can do it, then why cant i', in whatever he chose to do. He was lucky enough to be blessed with a talent that few have but one thing we can all have that he doesnt appear to have is a good nature and tolerance." you said it yourself. we CAN all have, but a lot dont. are you really telling me you dont know anyone that ISNT a footballer, that you dont think 'fuck me, i hope he never has kids!' everyone in the world has the prepensity to be a dick. tbf his dad is a drug dealer so he was never going to be a decent human being once he became rich. money tends to escalate someones bad attributes. | |||
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"No other sport would let competitors get away with how footballers conduct themselves on the pitch. not all footballers get away with this sort of thing. john terry and steven gerrard, however, both seem able to do as they please with no fear of recriminations. thats bullshit.... what makes you think they can get away with what they want??? they have both been tried in a court of law under due process, and found to be innocent. That is why we have a justice system.. are you trying to imply that because of who they are they get a soft touch in court?? If anything they are more likely to get thrown to the lions because of who they are. We wernt in court, we didnt hear all the evidence, only what the media reported. The magistrates were there, they did hear all the evidence , they did see the people involved face to face and made their decision based on ALL the facts not just the titbits the press throw at us and want us to hear." And we all know the courts reach the right verdict every time yeah right be lucky if the courts get it right 50% of the time. | |||
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" are you trying to imply that because of who they are they get a soft touch in court?? " yes. | |||
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"No other sport would let competitors get away with how footballers conduct themselves on the pitch. not all footballers get away with this sort of thing. john terry and steven gerrard, however, both seem able to do as they please with no fear of recriminations. thats bullshit.... what makes you think they can get away with what they want??? they have both been tried in a court of law under due process, and found to be innocent. That is why we have a justice system.. are you trying to imply that because of who they are they get a soft touch in court?? If anything they are more likely to get thrown to the lions because of who they are. We wernt in court, we didnt hear all the evidence, only what the media reported. The magistrates were there, they did hear all the evidence , they did see the people involved face to face and made their decision based on ALL the facts not just the titbits the press throw at us and want us to hear. And we all know the courts reach the right verdict every time yeah right be lucky if the courts get it right 50% of the time." lucky the scottish justice system is so robust then. al magrahi is evidence of this. | |||
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" are you trying to imply that because of who they are they get a soft touch in court?? yes." disagree. totally. with all the press hype over this it would have been easier to go with a guilty verdict. They heard the evidence in full and made a judgement. were you there? were you at the Gerrard trial? NO. you make your judgment based on what fleet street, the internet and youtube tell you. which is usually only half the story. | |||
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"No other sport would let competitors get away with how footballers conduct themselves on the pitch. not all footballers get away with this sort of thing. john terry and steven gerrard, however, both seem able to do as they please with no fear of recriminations. thats bullshit.... what makes you think they can get away with what they want??? they have both been tried in a court of law under due process, and found to be innocent. That is why we have a justice system.. are you trying to imply that because of who they are they get a soft touch in court?? If anything they are more likely to get thrown to the lions because of who they are. We wernt in court, we didnt hear all the evidence, only what the media reported. The magistrates were there, they did hear all the evidence , they did see the people involved face to face and made their decision based on ALL the facts not just the titbits the press throw at us and want us to hear. And we all know the courts reach the right verdict every time yeah right be lucky if the courts get it right 50% of the time. lucky the scottish justice system is so robust then. al magrahi is evidence of this. "The Scottish justice system is anything but, time and again ppl walk that should not and no doubt ppl are jailed that should not be. Regarding Al Magrahi Igoing by the evidence he should not have been convicted but then again someone had to be to get closure but in saying that once he was then he should not have been let go but that was a political decision and once again was over oil. | |||
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"No other sport would let competitors get away with how footballers conduct themselves on the pitch. not all footballers get away with this sort of thing. john terry and steven gerrard, however, both seem able to do as they please with no fear of recriminations. thats bullshit.... what makes you think they can get away with what they want??? they have both been tried in a court of law under due process, and found to be innocent. That is why we have a justice system.. are you trying to imply that because of who they are they get a soft touch in court?? If anything they are more likely to get thrown to the lions because of who they are. We wernt in court, we didnt hear all the evidence, only what the media reported. The magistrates were there, they did hear all the evidence , they did see the people involved face to face and made their decision based on ALL the facts not just the titbits the press throw at us and want us to hear. And we all know the courts reach the right verdict every time yeah right be lucky if the courts get it right 50% of the time. lucky the scottish justice system is so robust then. al magrahi is evidence of this.
The Scottish justice system is anything but, time and again ppl walk that should not and no doubt ppl are jailed that should not be.
Regarding Al Magrahi Igoing by the evidence he should not have been convicted but then again someone had to be to get closure but in saying that once he was then he should not have been let go but that was a political decision and once again was over oil."didnt realise he owned that much. i have some castrol if the scottish government are that hard pressed lol | |||
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"No other sport would let competitors get away with how footballers conduct themselves on the pitch. not all footballers get away with this sort of thing. john terry and steven gerrard, however, both seem able to do as they please with no fear of recriminations. thats bullshit.... what makes you think they can get away with what they want??? they have both been tried in a court of law under due process, and found to be innocent. That is why we have a justice system.. are you trying to imply that because of who they are they get a soft touch in court?? If anything they are more likely to get thrown to the lions because of who they are. We wernt in court, we didnt hear all the evidence, only what the media reported. The magistrates were there, they did hear all the evidence , they did see the people involved face to face and made their decision based on ALL the facts not just the titbits the press throw at us and want us to hear. And we all know the courts reach the right verdict every time yeah right be lucky if the courts get it right 50% of the time. lucky the scottish justice system is so robust then. al magrahi is evidence of this.
The Scottish justice system is anything but, time and again ppl walk that should not and no doubt ppl are jailed that should not be.
Regarding Al Magrahi Igoing by the evidence he should not have been convicted but then again someone had to be to get closure but in saying that once he was then he should not have been let go but that was a political decision and once again was over oil.
didnt realise he owned that much.
i have some castrol if the scottish government are that hard pressed lol"It was a stumbling block in allowing British oil companies into Libya and that was the real reason he was released. The pressure actualy came from the British government and not the waste of time and money that is the Scottish government. | |||
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"No other sport would let competitors get away with how footballers conduct themselves on the pitch. " sorry pal but that is not true | |||
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"So John Terry has been found innocent. No doubt there is a huge sigh of relief from both Terry and the FA A question now arises about the conduct of players on the field. Terry and Ferdinand have both testified to the type of ‘industrial’ language used on the pitch and that it is a regular occurrence. If this is true, then what has the FA’s ‘RESPECT’ campaign achieved? Why doesn’t the ref do something if he hears the sort of ‘sledging’ that goes on? I have also heard arguments about ‘what is said on the field, stays on the field’, can that be right? " I see that another 'celeb' has bought himself some justice | |||
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"So John Terry has been found innocent. No doubt there is a huge sigh of relief from both Terry and the FA A question now arises about the conduct of players on the field. Terry and Ferdinand have both testified to the type of ‘industrial’ language used on the pitch and that it is a regular occurrence. If this is true, then what has the FA’s ‘RESPECT’ campaign achieved? Why doesn’t the ref do something if he hears the sort of ‘sledging’ that goes on? I have also heard arguments about ‘what is said on the field, stays on the field’, can that be right? I see that another 'celeb' has bought himself some justice "are you saying that John Terry has paid off the Magistrates?????? | |||
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"never please everyone in this case. those that are convinced wrong was done will always consider tery guilty. those that supported terry, will now be even more convinced ferdinand is a liar and has a chip on his shoulder. however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. as for curbing peoples language, sorry, but unless you lipread, which we all seem to be experts at, then stadia are way to noisey for anyone to actually hear whats said. sledging happens in all sports. its part of the psychology."
Personally I have no time for football because of all the c**p that surrounds it on and off the field.
Rugby players manage to get very physical and are just as determined but there seems to be better discipline and more mutual respect. And the Ref is in absolute control and talks WITH the players to keep it so.
As for sledging cricket is the best IMHO. The action is far enough away from the crowds to be heard by the people its aimed at and there is time and space to make it very barbed:
Aussie fielder: "Has your wife had my child yet?"
English Batsman: "Yes and its as ugly and stupid as its father ..."
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"never please everyone in this case. those that are convinced wrong was done will always consider tery guilty. those that supported terry, will now be even more convinced ferdinand is a liar and has a chip on his shoulder. however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. as for curbing peoples language, sorry, but unless you lipread, which we all seem to be experts at, then stadia are way to noisey for anyone to actually hear whats said. sledging happens in all sports. its part of the psychology.
Personally I have no time for football because of all the c**p that surrounds it on and off the field.
Rugby players manage to get very physical and are just as determined but there seems to be better discipline and more mutual respect. And the Ref is in absolute control and talks WITH the players to keep it so.
As for sledging cricket is the best IMHO. The action is far enough away from the crowds to be heard by the people its aimed at and there is time and space to make it very barbed:
Aussie fielder: "Has your wife had my child yet?"
English Batsman: "Yes and its as ugly and stupid as its father ..."
...without a break in play.... "brilliant... i played cricket to minor counties level for many years and some of the sledging was hilarious. even the umpires used to piss themselves laughing sometimes. | |||
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" As for sledging cricket is the best IMHO. The action is far enough away from the crowds to be heard by the people its aimed at and there is time and space to make it very barbed: Aussie fielder: "Has your wife had my child yet?" English Batsman: "Yes and its as ugly and stupid as its father ..." ...without a break in play....
brilliant... i played cricket to minor counties level for many years and some of the sledging was hilarious. even the umpires used to piss themselves laughing sometimes."And there is the key. Players respect Umpires (as Rugby players respect the Refs) and that makes the game more enjoyable. Footballers respect no one but their own bank account IMHO. | |||
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"never please everyone in this case. those that are convinced wrong was done will always consider tery guilty. those that supported terry, will now be even more convinced ferdinand is a liar and has a chip on his shoulder. however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. as for curbing peoples language, sorry, but unless you lipread, which we all seem to be experts at, then stadia are way to noisey for anyone to actually hear whats said. sledging happens in all sports. its part of the psychology.
Personally I have no time for football because of all the c**p that surrounds it on and off the field.
Rugby players manage to get very physical and are just as determined but there seems to be better discipline and more mutual respect. And the Ref is in absolute control and talks WITH the players to keep it so.
As for sledging cricket is the best IMHO. The action is far enough away from the crowds to be heard by the people its aimed at and there is time and space to make it very barbed:
Aussie fielder: "Has your wife had my child yet?"
English Batsman: "Yes and its as ugly and stupid as its father ..."
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brilliant... i played cricket to minor counties level for many years and some of the sledging was hilarious. even the umpires used to piss themselves laughing sometimes."the greatest i heard aussie cricketer: why are you so fat? england cricketer: cuz everytime i fuck your wife, she gives me a biscuit. btw, dont hold rugby up as anything but just as dirty as football, it just doesnt get as much coverage as football does. just as many dodgy practice and bad behaviour goes on in that than football. | |||
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"never please everyone in this case. those that are convinced wrong was done will always consider tery guilty. those that supported terry, will now be even more convinced ferdinand is a liar and has a chip on his shoulder. however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. as for curbing peoples language, sorry, but unless you lipread, which we all seem to be experts at, then stadia are way to noisey for anyone to actually hear whats said. sledging happens in all sports. its part of the psychology.
Personally I have no time for football because of all the c**p that surrounds it on and off the field.
Rugby players manage to get very physical and are just as determined but there seems to be better discipline and more mutual respect. And the Ref is in absolute control and talks WITH the players to keep it so.
As for sledging cricket is the best IMHO. The action is far enough away from the crowds to be heard by the people its aimed at and there is time and space to make it very barbed:
Aussie fielder: "Has your wife had my child yet?"
English Batsman: "Yes and its as ugly and stupid as its father ..."
...without a break in play....
brilliant... i played cricket to minor counties level for many years and some of the sledging was hilarious. even the umpires used to piss themselves laughing sometimes.
the greatest i heard
aussie cricketer: why are you so fat?
england cricketer: cuz everytime i fuck your wife, she gives me a biscuit.
btw, dont hold rugby up as anything but just as dirty as football, it just doesnt get as much coverage as football does.
just as many dodgy practice and bad behaviour goes on in that than football."thats right too. punching in the scrum, grabbing bollocks in the ruck... oh i do miss those big hands .... | |||
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"People kid themselves saying Rugby players are decent. I have known of a lot of rugby guys and they're anything but decent once a chance to get the blood running ensues. There is a big reason why the womens rugby team avoids the mens team at university. I know this personally. Also, I am better at lip reading than most due to my partial deafness. Learned it years ago and what a joy it is to spook people about what they say across the room. "whats the reason? whats the reason?? | |||
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"I will get to this later... At work at the moment and don't have time to write fully what I want to .... It was interesting reading the judges verdict (all 15 pages of it) I think we need to make the distinction between "innocent" and "not guilty for lack of evidence" which the judges actually says... But will get to this later..." interesting. i didnt know that. but there also has to be a distinction between 'not guily for lack of evidence' and 'guilty' if you listen to the press and the 'evidence' presented on the internet, some quarters had him guilty before the trial. if this 'evidence' was so compelling then why was there a 'not guilty' verdict of any kind.?? it means that the CPS havent the evidence to convict.. I wasnt there so i dont know whether he is guilty or not, and most people will make their mind up based on personality alone and whether they like him or not. | |||
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"I was called a white bastard once...little did they know my father was still alive." Can you explain please? | |||
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"I was called a white bastard once...little did they know my father was still alive. Can you explain please?" Well i'm white...but i'm not a bastard | |||
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"Howcome John Terry had to go to court, yet Luis Suarez's case was heard by the FA and punished within weeks of his incident?" good point.. dont know, but it may be because a complaint was made by a member of the public so the police were duty bound to investigate it. not sure if thats right but i thought i saw it somewhere. | |||
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"Howcome John Terry had to go to court, yet Luis Suarez's case was heard by the FA and punished within weeks of his incident? good point.. dont know, but it may be because a complaint was made by a member of the public so the police were duty bound to investigate it. not sure if thats right but i thought i saw it somewhere." That's true and their was no evidence against Suarez so it wouldn't have even made court. | |||
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"Howcome John Terry had to go to court, yet Luis Suarez's case was heard by the FA and punished within weeks of his incident? good point.. dont know, but it may be because a complaint was made by a member of the public so the police were duty bound to investigate it. not sure if thats right but i thought i saw it somewhere. That's true and their was no evidence against Suarez so it wouldn't have even made court." thats why it didnt go to court lol | |||
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"I was called a white bastard once...little did they know my father was still alive. Can you explain please? Well i'm white...but i'm not a bastard" Being a bastard has nothing to do with whether your father is a live or not, it's to do with whether you were born out of wedlock. Or rather, that's what it used to mean, now it's used as a derogatory term. I have on occasion bee referred to as "A Colonial bastard" and a racist bastard on the basis I am a white South African. I think I should be upset by this, I just don't have the inclination or the time. Water off a ducks back. | |||
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" thats right too. punching in the scrum, grabbing bollocks in the ruck... oh i do miss those big hands .... ..thats called silent sledging ... Speaking as an ex 2nd row forward
too cheap to buy front row tickets, huh?
yeah, me too lol"That and the fact I'd rather me mates grabbed my bollokcs than have them kicked (purely accidentally Ref) by the opposing Prop ...  | |||
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"People kid themselves saying Rugby players are decent. I have known of a lot of rugby guys and they're anything but decent once a chance to get the blood running ensues. There is a big reason why the womens rugby team avoids the mens team at university. I know this personally. Also, I am better at lip reading than most due to my partial deafness. Learned it years ago and what a joy it is to spook people about what they say across the room.
whats the reason?
whats the reason??"Reasons for avoiding rugby guys? They're obnoxious and treat women like shit. They are just as bad out on the town like every other 'am 'ard aint I?' type. They think they're special for playing rugby or as they put it, a mans game. Read up on rugby clubs where they hire strippers for the special 'event'. | |||
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"People kid themselves saying Rugby players are decent. I have known of a lot of rugby guys and they're anything but decent once a chance to get the blood running ensues. There is a big reason why the womens rugby team avoids the mens team at university. I know this personally. Also, I am better at lip reading than most due to my partial deafness. Learned it years ago and what a joy it is to spook people about what they say across the room.
whats the reason?
whats the reason??
Reasons for avoiding rugby guys?
They're obnoxious and treat women like shit.
They are just as bad out on the town like every other 'am 'ard aint I?' type.
They think they're special for playing rugby or as they put it, a mans game.
Read up on rugby clubs where they hire strippers for the special 'event'."oh, i thought it was gonna be summat good, like they always have 'willy size' competitions, and the ladies win lol | |||
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" however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. " How is it the most compelling? The court decided that Anton hadn't been abuses | |||
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" Two things i don't understand : 1. What race is Anton Ferdinand, and 2. Which part of the insult was racist? Narrowing it down to "black" and "cunt", i don't see AF as being either. Is a (made-up) user on here, for example BlackBigCock20102, self abusing? " Thank god someone else thinks the same as me on this case. | |||
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" however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. How is it the most compelling? The court decided that Anton hadn't been abuses" no, the court didnt decide anything. HIS evidence was that HE didnt believe he was racially abused UNTIL his girlfriend showed him youtube footage after the game. now, if i was to say something insulting to you, im certain you would know about it immediately, not a couple of hours later when someone showed me shakey phone footage. | |||
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" Two things i don't understand : 1. What race is Anton Ferdinand, and 2. Which part of the insult was racist? Narrowing it down to "black" and "cunt", i don't see AF as being either. Is a (made-up) user on here, for example BlackBigCock20102, self abusing? Thank god someone else thinks the same as me on this case." And dares to voice it, which is part of the overall problem. After all, did Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for London not have better things,cases, to do? | |||
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"Paddy...that is undersandable...but we are talking about a guy that thousands of kids look up to...this was not his finest hours...and he has had some bad ones already...and to be supported by Cole...this saga has been a bad one... This is something that needs to be stamped out...and for good." Think you need to go to grass roots and just watch how parents behave and the things they say to other children on the field when their little ones are playing football.....that is a disgrace! | |||
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" however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. How is it the most compelling? The court decided that Anton hadn't been abuses no, the court didnt decide anything. HIS evidence was that HE didnt believe he was racially abused UNTIL his girlfriend showed him youtube footage after the game. now, if i was to say something insulting to you, im certain you would know about it immediately, not a couple of hours later when someone showed me shakey phone footage." only if i was in earshot not 26 yards away. i wouldn't have heard it from there | |||
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" however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. How is it the most compelling? The court decided that Anton hadn't been abuses no, the court didnt decide anything. HIS evidence was that HE didnt believe he was racially abused UNTIL his girlfriend showed him youtube footage after the game. now, if i was to say something insulting to you, im certain you would know about it immediately, not a couple of hours later when someone showed me shakey phone footage. only if i was in earshot not 26 yards away. i wouldn't have heard it from there "so an insult is still an insult if no one hears it? so if you walk away from somone muttering to yourself, and someone tells the other person you called them a cunt (or worse) that would be proof enough for a conviction? | |||
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" Two things i don't understand : 1. What race is Anton Ferdinand, and 2. Which part of the insult was racist? Narrowing it down to "black" and "cunt", i don't see AF as being either. Is a (made-up) user on here, for example BlackBigCock20102, self abusing? Thank god someone else thinks the same as me on this case. And dares to voice it, which is part of the overall problem. After all, did Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for London not have better things,cases, to do? " the 'racism' comes from using someones colour, race etc to add to the 'abuse'.. had Mr A said to Mr B 'your a cunt' then thats just abuse from one to another.. if Mr A includes Mr B's colour or race or whatever else comes within the relevant statute etc... then thats where the law eg, racially aggravated abuse or assault or whatever comes in.. probably find your answert on the justice.gov site.. would imagine anton ferdinand would be 'classed' census wise as black british.. as to the CPS, why not email her? | |||
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" however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. How is it the most compelling? The court decided that Anton hadn't been abuses no, the court didnt decide anything. HIS evidence was that HE didnt believe he was racially abused UNTIL his girlfriend showed him youtube footage after the game. now, if i was to say something insulting to you, im certain you would know about it immediately, not a couple of hours later when someone showed me shakey phone footage. only if i was in earshot not 26 yards away. i wouldn't have heard it from there
so an insult is still an insult if no one hears it?
so if you walk away from somone muttering to yourself, and someone tells the other person you called them a cunt (or worse) that would be proof enough for a conviction?"i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it. the point i was making was IF anton was abused (which he wasn't) the fact that he was 26 yards away would mean he may not have heard it anyway. It wasn't AF who made the complaint to the police but a tv _iewer | |||
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" however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. How is it the most compelling? The court decided that Anton hadn't been abuses no, the court didnt decide anything. HIS evidence was that HE didnt believe he was racially abused UNTIL his girlfriend showed him youtube footage after the game. now, if i was to say something insulting to you, im certain you would know about it immediately, not a couple of hours later when someone showed me shakey phone footage. only if i was in earshot not 26 yards away. i wouldn't have heard it from there
so an insult is still an insult if no one hears it?
so if you walk away from somone muttering to yourself, and someone tells the other person you called them a cunt (or worse) that would be proof enough for a conviction?
i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it.
the point i was making was IF anton was abused (which he wasn't) the fact that he was 26 yards away would mean he may not have heard it anyway. It wasn't AF who made the complaint to the police but a tv _iewer"so, what we are saying is we are arguing the same thing? lol | |||
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" however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. How is it the most compelling? The court decided that Anton hadn't been abuses no, the court didnt decide anything. HIS evidence was that HE didnt believe he was racially abused UNTIL his girlfriend showed him youtube footage after the game. now, if i was to say something insulting to you, im certain you would know about it immediately, not a couple of hours later when someone showed me shakey phone footage. only if i was in earshot not 26 yards away. i wouldn't have heard it from there
so an insult is still an insult if no one hears it?
so if you walk away from somone muttering to yourself, and someone tells the other person you called them a cunt (or worse) that would be proof enough for a conviction?
i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it.
the point i was making was IF anton was abused (which he wasn't) the fact that he was 26 yards away would mean he may not have heard it anyway. It wasn't AF who made the complaint to the police but a tv _iewer
so, what we are saying is we are arguing the same thing? lol"it would seem so
and to answer surreysensual..I've been called a white cunt on more than a few occasions and its made me very irate. but my anger was always caused by the use of the word cunt. never the word white.
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" however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. How is it the most compelling? The court decided that Anton hadn't been abuses no, the court didnt decide anything. HIS evidence was that HE didnt believe he was racially abused UNTIL his girlfriend showed him youtube footage after the game. now, if i was to say something insulting to you, im certain you would know about it immediately, not a couple of hours later when someone showed me shakey phone footage. only if i was in earshot not 26 yards away. i wouldn't have heard it from there
so an insult is still an insult if no one hears it?
so if you walk away from somone muttering to yourself, and someone tells the other person you called them a cunt (or worse) that would be proof enough for a conviction?
i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it.
the point i was making was IF anton was abused (which he wasn't) the fact that he was 26 yards away would mean he may not have heard it anyway. It wasn't AF who made the complaint to the police but a tv _iewer
so, what we are saying is we are arguing the same thing? lol
it would seem so
and to answer surreysensual..I've been called a white cunt on more than a few occasions and its made me very irate. but my anger was always caused by the use of the word cunt. never the word white.
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" Two things i don't understand : 1. What race is Anton Ferdinand, and 2. Which part of the insult was racist? Narrowing it down to "black" and "cunt", i don't see AF as being either. Is a (made-up) user on here, for example BlackBigCock20102, self abusing? Thank god someone else thinks the same as me on this case. And dares to voice it, which is part of the overall problem. After all, did Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for London not have better things,cases, to do? the 'racism' comes from using someones colour, race etc to add to the 'abuse'.. had Mr A said to Mr B 'your a cunt' then thats just abuse from one to another.. if Mr A includes Mr B's colour or race or whatever else comes within the relevant statute etc... then thats where the law eg, racially aggravated abuse or assault or whatever comes in.. probably find your answert on the justice.gov site.. would imagine anton ferdinand would be 'classed' census wise as black british.. as to the CPS, why not email her? " Interesting. The key point is are you defining "black" as the key element of racism? Have you not done exactly what John terry is alleged to have done, to include an irrelevant "black" to your argument. As far as i recall, the 2011 census NEVER asked for colour or race. Nationality yes, multiple nationalities yes. From following multiple sports and sportspeople it is invariably the sportspeople themselves who use the descriptive word "black" on themselves. I agree that being called a "cunt" is not nice. Even when deserved. | |||
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" i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it." The court didn't conclude that Terry didn't racially abuse Ferdinand though, the magistrate said that their was a lack of clear evidence and their was a doubt. He even said Terry's excuse was unlikely. | |||
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" i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it. The court didn't conclude that Terry didn't racially abuse Ferdinand though, the magistrate said that their was a lack of clear evidence and their was a doubt. He even said Terry's excuse was unlikely." So no one was proven to have been racially abused and no one was proven to be guilty of it semantics..if there was no clear evidence and a doubt the case should never have been proceeded with | |||
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"Should never have gone to court in my opinion...... "Completely agree. He shouldn't have used the words he used but if that goes to court then shouldn't Roy Keane's foul (assault) on Haaland (I'm sure it was him) years ago gone to court? | |||
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" i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it. The court didn't conclude that Terry didn't racially abuse Ferdinand though, the magistrate said that their was a lack of clear evidence and their was a doubt. He even said Terry's excuse was unlikely. So no one was proven to have been racially abused and no one was proven to be guilty of it semantics..if there was no clear evidence and a doubt the case should never have been proceeded with" I wondered that too. If two lip readers both agreed he said "you fucking black cunt" and the judge claimed Terry's excuse was unlikely...yet this is deemed insufficient evidence, then why bother with the trial at all  | |||
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"Should never have gone to court in my opinion......
Completely agree. He shouldn't have used the words he used but if that goes to court then shouldn't Roy Keane's foul (assault) on Haaland (I'm sure it was him) years ago gone to court? "What a bizzare comment? So according to you Ryan Shawcross and Peter Schmicael should be arrested for assault? Get a grip woman. John Terry if tried by a jury may have had a different verdict returned. In my opinion just using those words is an offence and deeply offensive. The Stipendary Magistrate said in his summing up that it was clear that he uttered those words but didnt mean them in a racial context. Terry was wrong and the system has let him get away with it. Roy Keane................I did smile! | |||
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" i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it. The court didn't conclude that Terry didn't racially abuse Ferdinand though, the magistrate said that their was a lack of clear evidence and their was a doubt. He even said Terry's excuse was unlikely. So no one was proven to have been racially abused and no one was proven to be guilty of it semantics..if there was no clear evidence and a doubt the case should never have been proceeded with I wondered that too. If two lip readers both agreed he said "you fucking black cunt" and the judge claimed Terry's excuse was unlikely...yet this is deemed insufficient evidence, then why bother with the trial at all "Maybe "you fucking black cunt" was a question? Hard to tell the intonation from a distance away and/or via electronic media. | |||
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"Should never have gone to court in my opinion......
Completely agree. He shouldn't have used the words he used but if that goes to court then shouldn't Roy Keane's foul (assault) on Haaland (I'm sure it was him) years ago gone to court? What a bizzare comment? So according to you Ryan Shawcross and Peter Schmicael should be arrested for assault? Get a grip woman. John Terry if tried by a jury may have had a different verdict returned. In my opinion just using those words is an offence and deeply offensive. The Stipendary Magistrate said in his summing up that it was clear that he uttered those words but didnt mean them in a racial context. Terry was wrong and the system has let him get away with it. Roy Keane................I did smile!"I completely agree that what he said was wrong and highly offensive. But my comment about Roy Keane was because he put in his autobiography that he went into that tackle wanting to cause harm. Now surely that in a court of law is wounding with intent. That was my point... | |||
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"Dear oh dear. Just wondering when the phrase 'a telling ball' will pop up in all this after march analysis. The OP was technically wrong in saying the court found Terry innocent. He was already innocent and remained so throughout. The court could only have found him guilty. A total waste of public money and another example if common sense being slaughtered on the altar of Political Correctness. " This is not Political Correctness to use those words intentionally is morally wrong and contray to common law. It is people like you who see change as some form of madness. It is simply wrong to say what Terry said. He is a (supposedly) role model and has captained England what does this say to the youth of the country? Get a grip and grow up. | |||
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"Should never have gone to court in my opinion......
Completely agree. He shouldn't have used the words he used but if that goes to court then shouldn't Roy Keane's foul (assault) on Haaland (I'm sure it was him) years ago gone to court? What a bizzare comment? So according to you Ryan Shawcross and Peter Schmicael should be arrested for assault? Get a grip woman. John Terry if tried by a jury may have had a different verdict returned. In my opinion just using those words is an offence and deeply offensive. The Stipendary Magistrate said in his summing up that it was clear that he uttered those words but didnt mean them in a racial context. Terry was wrong and the system has let him get away with it. Roy Keane................I did smile!"What about the german goalie Schumachers assault on Batiston in 1984 World Cup semi. If anything desreved a few years in clink, that did. | |||
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" however, the MOST compelling thing to me is that anton didnt know he had been abused until his missus told him he had been. How is it the most compelling? The court decided that Anton hadn't been abuses no, the court didnt decide anything. HIS evidence was that HE didnt believe he was racially abused UNTIL his girlfriend showed him youtube footage after the game. now, if i was to say something insulting to you, im certain you would know about it immediately, not a couple of hours later when someone showed me shakey phone footage. only if i was in earshot not 26 yards away. i wouldn't have heard it from there
so an insult is still an insult if no one hears it?
so if you walk away from somone muttering to yourself, and someone tells the other person you called them a cunt (or worse) that would be proof enough for a conviction?
i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it.
the point i was making was IF anton was abused (which he wasn't) the fact that he was 26 yards away would mean he may not have heard it anyway. It wasn't AF who made the complaint to the police but a tv _iewer
so, what we are saying is we are arguing the same thing? lol
it would seem so
and to answer surreysensual..I've been called a white cunt on more than a few occasions and its made me very irate. but my anger was always caused by the use of the word cunt. never the word white.
So what? I am white..whether i'm a cunt or not isn't really up for debate with me"tra mar m8, your not actually 'answering' me .. i never asked the question, i just gave what i believe is what the law is on the issue.. | |||
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" i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it. The court didn't conclude that Terry didn't racially abuse Ferdinand though, the magistrate said that their was a lack of clear evidence and their was a doubt. He even said Terry's excuse was unlikely. So no one was proven to have been racially abused and no one was proven to be guilty of it semantics..if there was no clear evidence and a doubt the case should never have been proceeded with I wondered that too. If two lip readers both agreed he said "you fucking black cunt" and the judge claimed Terry's excuse was unlikely...yet this is deemed insufficient evidence, then why bother with the trial at all "Terry never denied he used those 3 words. What's the point of having two lip readers to confirm what terry has already admitted when they can't identify tone or context. the CPS seem to have placed most of their chips on the lip readers and it neither proved or disproved anything. They could have paid me to tell them that JT said fucking black cunt but no lip reader in the world could tell you the 3 or 4 words he says when Ashley Cole obscures him. Or Obi Jon Mikel from the other angle. So in a nutshell not enough evidence = no case to answer = guilty of nothing =- innocent of any provable wrongdoing | |||
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"Should never have gone to court in my opinion......
Completely agree. He shouldn't have used the words he used but if that goes to court then shouldn't Roy Keane's foul (assault) on Haaland (I'm sure it was him) years ago gone to court? What a bizzare comment? So according to you Ryan Shawcross and Peter Schmicael should be arrested for assault? Get a grip woman. John Terry if tried by a jury may have had a different verdict returned. In my opinion just using those words is an offence and deeply offensive. The Stipendary Magistrate said in his summing up that it was clear that he uttered those words but didnt mean them in a racial context. Terry was wrong and the system has let him get away with it. Roy Keane................I did smile!
I completely agree that what he said was wrong and highly offensive. But my comment about Roy Keane was because he put in his autobiography that he went into that tackle wanting to cause harm. Now surely that in a court of law is wounding with intent. That was my point... "If you want to be technically correct it would be occassioning actual bodily harm. The proof of intent as we have seen today is difficult to prove. When I played rugby (a long time ago!) I intentionally wanted to hurt my opposing front row and intended to do so! You are confusing the intent issue. Terry is racist and he got away with it. By comparing the action with another you seek to minimise the effect. The law can be an ass. | |||
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" Two things i don't understand : 1. What race is Anton Ferdinand, and 2. Which part of the insult was racist? Narrowing it down to "black" and "cunt", i don't see AF as being either. Is a (made-up) user on here, for example BlackBigCock20102, self abusing? Thank god someone else thinks the same as me on this case. And dares to voice it, which is part of the overall problem. After all, did Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for London not have better things,cases, to do? the 'racism' comes from using someones colour, race etc to add to the 'abuse'.. had Mr A said to Mr B 'your a cunt' then thats just abuse from one to another.. if Mr A includes Mr B's colour or race or whatever else comes within the relevant statute etc... then thats where the law eg, racially aggravated abuse or assault or whatever comes in.. probably find your answert on the justice.gov site.. would imagine anton ferdinand would be 'classed' census wise as black british.. as to the CPS, why not email her? Interesting. The key point is are you defining "black" as the key element of racism? Have you not done exactly what John terry is alleged to have done, to include an irrelevant "black" to your argument. As far as i recall, the 2011 census NEVER asked for colour or race. Nationality yes, multiple nationalities yes. From following multiple sports and sportspeople it is invariably the sportspeople themselves who use the descriptive word "black" on themselves. I agree that being called a "cunt" is not nice. Even when deserved. " 'I' am not defining black at all, you asked a question which i tried to answer.. stop twisting things up with semantics about the specifics of whatever census said what, you knew fine well that anton ferdinand is a black person before you aked the question.. | |||
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"Should never have gone to court in my opinion......
Completely agree. He shouldn't have used the words he used but if that goes to court then shouldn't Roy Keane's foul (assault) on Haaland (I'm sure it was him) years ago gone to court? What a bizzare comment? So according to you Ryan Shawcross and Peter Schmicael should be arrested for assault? Get a grip woman. John Terry if tried by a jury may have had a different verdict returned. In my opinion just using those words is an offence and deeply offensive. The Stipendary Magistrate said in his summing up that it was clear that he uttered those words but didnt mean them in a racial context. Terry was wrong and the system has let him get away with it. Roy Keane................I did smile!
I completely agree that what he said was wrong and highly offensive. But my comment about Roy Keane was because he put in his autobiography that he went into that tackle wanting to cause harm. Now surely that in a court of law is wounding with intent. That was my point... If you want to be technically correct it would be occassioning actual bodily harm. The proof of intent as we have seen today is difficult to prove. When I played rugby (a long time ago!) I intentionally wanted to hurt my opposing front row and intended to do so! You are confusing the intent issue. Terry is racist and he got away with it. By comparing the action with another you seek to minimise the effect. The law can be an ass."No you can't say he's racist - he got found not guilty in a court of law. I'm not minimising what he said, I'm using other incidents on a football pitch in comparison. Wow its a good job we didn't have this conversation in cupids this afternoon isn't it!  | |||
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"Dear oh dear. Just wondering when the phrase 'a telling ball' will pop up in all this after march analysis. The OP was technically wrong in saying the court found Terry innocent. He was already innocent and remained so throughout. The court could only have found him guilty. A total waste of public money and another example if common sense being slaughtered on the altar of Political Correctness. This is not Political Correctness to use those words intentionally is morally wrong and contray to common law. It is people like you who see change as some form of madness. It is simply wrong to say what Terry said. He is a (supposedly) role model and has captained England what does this say to the youth of the country? Get a grip and grow up." so, what YOU believe is, if i was to say to someone 'do you think i called you a black cunt?' is as bad as actually calling someone such? if thats what you are saying, and as such was terrys defence, then you really are PC to the extreme. | |||
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" i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it. The court didn't conclude that Terry didn't racially abuse Ferdinand though, the magistrate said that their was a lack of clear evidence and their was a doubt. He even said Terry's excuse was unlikely. So no one was proven to have been racially abused and no one was proven to be guilty of it semantics..if there was no clear evidence and a doubt the case should never have been proceeded with I wondered that too. If two lip readers both agreed he said "you fucking black cunt" and the judge claimed Terry's excuse was unlikely...yet this is deemed insufficient evidence, then why bother with the trial at all
Terry never denied he used those 3 words. What's the point of having two lip readers to confirm what terry has already admitted when they can't identify tone or context. the CPS seem to have placed most of their chips on the lip readers and it neither proved or disproved anything. They could have paid me to tell them that JT said fucking black cunt but no lip reader in the world could tell you the 3 or 4 words he says when Ashley Cole obscures him. Or Obi Jon Mikel from the other angle.
So in a nutshell not enough evidence = no case to answer = guilty of nothing =- innocent of any provable wrongdoing"Dear God..........I dispair! If you say something akin to abusing a person and admit you said them then what is the arguement. Terry was found not guilty because it was politically convenient. | |||
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" Dear God..........I dispair! If you say something akin to abusing a person and admit you said them then what is the arguement. Terry was found not guilty because it was politically convenient. read the post above yours. context context context" We all know he said it and meant it! Its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. | |||
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"Should never have gone to court in my opinion......
Completely agree. He shouldn't have used the words he used but if that goes to court then shouldn't Roy Keane's foul (assault) on Haaland (I'm sure it was him) years ago gone to court? What a bizzare comment? So according to you Ryan Shawcross and Peter Schmicael should be arrested for assault? Get a grip woman. John Terry if tried by a jury may have had a different verdict returned. In my opinion just using those words is an offence and deeply offensive. The Stipendary Magistrate said in his summing up that it was clear that he uttered those words but didnt mean them in a racial context. Terry was wrong and the system has let him get away with it. Roy Keane................I did smile!
I completely agree that what he said was wrong and highly offensive. But my comment about Roy Keane was because he put in his autobiography that he went into that tackle wanting to cause harm. Now surely that in a court of law is wounding with intent. That was my point... If you want to be technically correct it would be occassioning actual bodily harm. The proof of intent as we have seen today is difficult to prove. When I played rugby (a long time ago!) I intentionally wanted to hurt my opposing front row and intended to do so! You are confusing the intent issue. Terry is racist and he got away with it. By comparing the action with another you seek to minimise the effect. The law can be an ass.
No you can't say he's racist - he got found not guilty in a court of law. I'm not minimising what he said, I'm using other incidents on a football pitch in comparison. Wow its a good job we didn't have this conversation in cupids this afternoon isn't it! "I was on the phone! | |||
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"Right then me and a couple of others better Fuck off, grow up and get a grip because we clearly have no right of opinion, haven't moved on from the dark ages, no knowledge of Common Law and fail to understand that apparently in these modern changing times a man is now guilty unless proved innocent. Sorted! "many a truer word spoken in jest, unfortunately. terry was tried, sentenced and hung by the media months ago. which makes me wonder which will eat humble pie in the morning. | |||
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" Dear God..........I dispair! If you say something akin to abusing a person and admit you said them then what is the arguement. Terry was found not guilty because it was politically convenient. read the post above yours. context context context We all know he said it and meant it! Its ridiculous to suggest otherwise." How do we know he meant it? Were we in his head at the time? No... So unless we are mind readers, we don't know he said it. All we know about John Terry is what the press allow us to know... | |||
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" Dear God..........I dispair! If you say something akin to abusing a person and admit you said them then what is the arguement. Terry was found not guilty because it was politically convenient. read the post above yours. context context context We all know he said it and meant it! Its ridiculous to suggest otherwise." ahem! so, what YOU believe is, if i was to say to someone 'do you think i called you a black cunt?' is as bad as actually calling someone such? if thats what you are saying, and as such was terrys defence, then you really are PC to the extreme. | |||
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" Dear God..........I dispair! If you say something akin to abusing a person and admit you said them then what is the arguement. Terry was found not guilty because it was politically convenient. read the post above yours. context context context We all know he said it and meant it! Its ridiculous to suggest otherwise." do we all know it?do you?are you sure? to suggest either scenario is equally ridiculous. because we don't know. And no one else is admitting to knowing either. However if you have some previously unknown evidence,then please enlighten us. until you can you're just as ignorant to the actual truth as i am. and that doesn't make for successful prosecutions. not yet anyway | |||
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" Dear God..........I dispair! If you say something akin to abusing a person and admit you said them then what is the arguement. Terry was found not guilty because it was politically convenient. read the post above yours. context context context We all know he said it and meant it! Its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. ahem! so, what YOU believe is, if i was to say to someone 'do you think i called you a black cunt?' is as bad as actually calling someone such? if thats what you are saying, and as such was terrys defence, then you really are PC to the extreme." What I believe is that Terry racially abused Ferdinand and inteneted to do so. I do not believe all I read in the press and have no other gripe with Terry, as far as I am concerned he can have an affair with whom he choses it matters nothing. A paid Magistrate found Terry not guilty not his peers. I will read the law report on the trail and the summing up when its published but it seems Terry admitted to using the words whilst looking at Ferdinand. Two independent experts concurred he said them and nothing to prerequiste the context. Similarly Terrys defence costs are estimated at £100k which seems excessive but his QC (in a Mags court) cast doubt on the charecter of Ferdinand for what reason its not clear! It was not in the interest of English football to find him guilty. I have said my peace or PC | |||
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" Dear God..........I dispair! If you say something akin to abusing a person and admit you said them then what is the arguement. Terry was found not guilty because it was politically convenient. read the post above yours. context context context We all know he said it and meant it! Its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. do we all know it?do you?are you sure? to suggest either scenario is equally ridiculous. because we don't know. And no one else is admitting to knowing either. However if you have some previously unknown evidence,then please enlighten us. until you can you're just as ignorant to the actual truth as i am. and that doesn't make for successful prosecutions. not yet anyway" I suggest you explain that hypothesis to Mr and Mrs Lawerence | |||
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"I think he's a disgrace and a poor role model for aspiring young footballers! Which football would be a role model though? Rooney Fuck geriatric hookers, giggs bangs his SIL, gerrard smacks people around in nightclubs... list of human fralities goes on and on and, personally, i think that is the best role model i would want for my kids. no one is any better than any one else. no matter your status in life, you are falable. you are just human! Realy? You would like your kids going round shaging their mates wives and calling ppl black b******s glad my parents did not think like that. And before you say he has been found not guilty we all saw iton telly no matter what shit excuse he put up for it. i will say this once! as role models, in a football sense, i would want my kids to look up to them for the commitment to training and the dedication to being the best in their job. for role models in life i would much rather they looked at me, my father and family members. why would i want my kids to look at a stranger and see thats the way they should act? role models have to be put into context. why would you want YOUR children looking up to strangers on a personal level?" you took the words right out of my mouth | |||
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"Right then me and a couple of others better Fuck off, grow up and get a grip because we clearly have no right of opinion, haven't moved on from the dark ages, no knowledge of Common Law and fail to understand that apparently in these modern changing times a man is now guilty unless proved innocent. Sorted!
many a truer word spoken in jest, unfortunately.
terry was tried, sentenced and hung by the media months ago.
which makes me wonder which will eat humble pie in the morning."Clearly I better get down to Greenham common with all the other do gooders and PC exponents. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. | |||
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" Dear God..........I dispair! If you say something akin to abusing a person and admit you said them then what is the arguement. Terry was found not guilty because it was politically convenient. read the post above yours. context context context We all know he said it and meant it! Its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. do we all know it?do you?are you sure? to suggest either scenario is equally ridiculous. because we don't know. And no one else is admitting to knowing either. However if you have some previously unknown evidence,then please enlighten us. until you can you're just as ignorant to the actual truth as i am. and that doesn't make for successful prosecutions. not yet anywayI suggest you explain that hypothesis to Mr and Mrs Lawerence " or kate and jerry mccann not that either case have fuck all to do with what i said | |||
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" Dear God..........I dispair! If you say something akin to abusing a person and admit you said them then what is the arguement. Terry was found not guilty because it was politically convenient. read the post above yours. context context context We all know he said it and meant it! Its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. do we all know it?do you?are you sure? to suggest either scenario is equally ridiculous. because we don't know. And no one else is admitting to knowing either. However if you have some previously unknown evidence,then please enlighten us. until you can you're just as ignorant to the actual truth as i am. and that doesn't make for successful prosecutions. not yet anywayI suggest you explain that hypothesis to Mr and Mrs Lawerence or kate and jerry mccann not that either case have fuck all to do with what i said" In the Lawerence murder (first trial) we had four youths using similar language and caugth on surviellence film actually delighting in the stabbing of black people. According to you saying it and not doing it is perfectly acceptable as they did not do it.......ooops they were later found guilty. I do not see you correlation to the McGann disaperence but then again I could be a liberal wuss looking through politically correct spectacles. | |||
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" i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it. The court didn't conclude that Terry didn't racially abuse Ferdinand though, the magistrate said that their was a lack of clear evidence and their was a doubt. He even said Terry's excuse was unlikely. So no one was proven to have been racially abused and no one was proven to be guilty of it semantics..if there was no clear evidence and a doubt the case should never have been proceeded with I wondered that too. If two lip readers both agreed he said "you fucking black cunt" and the judge claimed Terry's excuse was unlikely...yet this is deemed insufficient evidence, then why bother with the trial at all
Terry never denied he used those 3 words. What's the point of having two lip readers to confirm what terry has already admitted when they can't identify tone or context. the CPS seem to have placed most of their chips on the lip readers and it neither proved or disproved anything. They could have paid me to tell them that JT said fucking black cunt but no lip reader in the world could tell you the 3 or 4 words he says when Ashley Cole obscures him. Or Obi Jon Mikel from the other angle.
So in a nutshell not enough evidence = no case to answer = guilty of nothing =- innocent of any provable wrongdoing"No, the lip readers were used to determine if he said 'you' or 'a' and not whether the words "fucking black cunt" were used as he admitted they were himself. Terry's defence was that he was asking if AF thought he had called him 'a' black cunt. If he said "you" then Terry's defence was obviously a load of shite. The lip readers both confirmed they thought he said "you" but this still wasn't enough. | |||
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" i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it. The court didn't conclude that Terry didn't racially abuse Ferdinand though, the magistrate said that their was a lack of clear evidence and their was a doubt. He even said Terry's excuse was unlikely. So no one was proven to have been racially abused and no one was proven to be guilty of it semantics..if there was no clear evidence and a doubt the case should never have been proceeded with I wondered that too. If two lip readers both agreed he said "you fucking black cunt" and the judge claimed Terry's excuse was unlikely...yet this is deemed insufficient evidence, then why bother with the trial at all
Terry never denied he used those 3 words. What's the point of having two lip readers to confirm what terry has already admitted when they can't identify tone or context. the CPS seem to have placed most of their chips on the lip readers and it neither proved or disproved anything. They could have paid me to tell them that JT said fucking black cunt but no lip reader in the world could tell you the 3 or 4 words he says when Ashley Cole obscures him. Or Obi Jon Mikel from the other angle.
So in a nutshell not enough evidence = no case to answer = guilty of nothing =- innocent of any provable wrongdoing
No, the lip readers were used to determine if he said 'you' or 'a' and not whether the words "fucking black cunt" were used as he admitted they were himself. Terry's defence was that he was asking if AF thought he had called him 'a' black cunt. If he said "you" then Terry's defence was obviously a load of shite. The lip readers both confirmed they thought he said "you" but this still wasn't enough."Expert witnesses! Huh....... | |||
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" i never said that at all. My first post stated that no one was racially abused according to the court. I've no idea why your'e trying to twist it. The court didn't conclude that Terry didn't racially abuse Ferdinand though, the magistrate said that their was a lack of clear evidence and their was a doubt. He even said Terry's excuse was unlikely. So no one was proven to have been racially abused and no one was proven to be guilty of it semantics..if there was no clear evidence and a doubt the case should never have been proceeded with I wondered that too. If two lip readers both agreed he said "you fucking black cunt" and the judge claimed Terry's excuse was unlikely...yet this is deemed insufficient evidence, then why bother with the trial at all
Terry never denied he used those 3 words. What's the point of having two lip readers to confirm what terry has already admitted when they can't identify tone or context. the CPS seem to have placed most of their chips on the lip readers and it neither proved or disproved anything. They could have paid me to tell them that JT said fucking black cunt but no lip reader in the world could tell you the 3 or 4 words he says when Ashley Cole obscures him. Or Obi Jon Mikel from the other angle.
So in a nutshell not enough evidence = no case to answer = guilty of nothing =- innocent of any provable wrongdoing
No, the lip readers were used to determine if he said 'you' or 'a' and not whether the words "fucking black cunt" were used as he admitted they were himself. Terry's defence was that he was asking if AF thought he had called him 'a' black cunt. If he said "you" then Terry's defence was obviously a load of shite. The lip readers both confirmed they thought he said "you" but this still wasn't enough. Expert witnesses! Huh....... "It isn't as though the Courts have found expert witnesses to be infallible is it? Quite the opposite. Discredited even. | |||
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"right... the john terry situation... warning..... this is going to contain strong language... so when is a "black cunt" not a "black cunt"..... apparently when it isn't meant as an insult..... the only time I ever got sent off playing football was when I got called a "black cunt" by an opposite player... when I thought he said it I said excuse me... to which he said it again.... he proceeded to then get "kicked up in the air" at every oppotunity by me.... the final straw for the ref was when he "ran into" my elbow...... so lets get a few things straight.... john terry was found not guilty.... but at no point was has he found innocent, Magistrate says it is impossible to be sure what the Chelsea captain said and whether it was intended as an insult nobody is saying that he didn't say it.... "Weighing all the evidence together, I think it is highly unlikely that Mr Ferdinand accused Mr Terry on the pitch of calling him a black cunt. However I accept that it is possible that Mr Terry believed at the time, and believes now, that such an accusation was made. "It is therefore possible that what he said was not intended as an insult, but rather as a challenge to what he believed had been said to him. In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty." under a court of law I accept that... but in the eyes of the FA... whats now the difference between what terry said and what luis suarez said..... for those saying the CPS shouldn't have brought the case in the first place... well the magistrate actually believed differently and says so in his judgement I am glad someone finally brought up the lawrence case...because as soon as I heard the words from the magistrate is was the first thing I thought of...... as for the people who bring up playing up the "black" thing on here... this is where I am going to be consistant... I hate it with a passion.... those who play it up with one hand and then complain about this I have no sympathy for.... you reap what you sow, and this is a consequence of this for the rest of us.... I think this does sent a dangerous example of what some people in society will think they can get away with.....I note what you say but when the full transcript of the Judgement is released I would be interested to read what the Mag has to say on the expert witness testimony. I fear we will never learn from previous tragic events. " | |||
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"according to me? i never said any such fucking thing.I lived near eltham at the time,i know what went on and i don't need a fucking lecture from you on what you think i think " You need to re_iew your posts mate | |||
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"I know the entire judgement is on the guardian's website as well... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2012/jul/13/john-terry-trial-full-judgment have a read because there a lot of interesting bits in it...... " Entire? You don't reckon the Crown have slipped the BBC a wonky version do you? | |||
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"I know the entire judgement is on the guardian's website as well... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2012/jul/13/john-terry-trial-full-judgment have a read because there a lot of interesting bits in it...... Entire? You don't reckon the Crown have slipped the BBC a wonky version do you?" Its the court release version. Very interesting reading although I doubt if many will bother! | |||
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" There we have it, British Justice, allegedly the world's finest, in a nuts hell. " Glad we do not have Albert Pirrepoint still employed! I do really despair! | |||
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"I know the entire judgement is on the guardian's website as well... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2012/jul/13/john-terry-trial-full-judgment have a read because there a lot of interesting bits in it...... " I read it...our whole legal department did. We read judgements every day. Were we surprised at the ruling? Of course not. When you have a system that can find, prosecute and jail a lad for making racist remarks against Fabrice in days, but delays a hearing for "football reasons" even though Terry admits calling Ferdinand a fucking black cunt amongst other things, there was only ever going to be one outcome. Two-tiered judiciary: no winners in this. | |||
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"I know the entire judgement is on the guardian's website as well... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2012/jul/13/john-terry-trial-full-judgment have a read because there a lot of interesting bits in it...... I read it...our whole legal department did. We read judgements every day. Were we surprised at the ruling? Of course not. When you have a system that can find, prosecute and jail a lad for making racist remarks against Fabrice in days, but delays a hearing for "football reasons" even though Terry admits calling Ferdinand a fucking black cunt amongst other things, there was only ever going to be one outcome. Two-tiered judiciary: no winners in this. " i didnt think he admitted calling him that... my understanding is he repeated what he thought he had been accused of saying....!! isnt that different to actually calling him one??? | |||
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"According to today's papers, JT and AF will both be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. I hope next season that there is a clamp down on this sort of behavior. There have been no winners from this situation" how did AF bring the game into disrepute? | |||
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"holyfuck is this still going!" it will continue until the FA decide what happens next? I am not sure what could charge AF with, especially since the judge said he was credible and brave for going along with it even thought he didn't want to.... plus as the judge said it is unlikely that he would have said those words to JT in the first place.... JT you could charge as no one is disputing he said the words... the FA would have to decide whether there was intent behind the words.... | |||
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"holyfuck is this still going! it will continue until the FA decide what happens next? I am not sure what could charge AF with, especially since the judge said he was credible and brave for going along with it even thought he didn't want to.... plus as the judge said it is unlikely that he would have said those words to JT in the first place.... JT you could charge as no one is disputing he said the words... the FA would have to decide whether there was intent behind the words...." i just hoped people would find something better to do on a fri nite lol..thank fuck its saturday...maybe they went to the pub...probably d*unken ravings about JT.Af.EF.FB. | |||
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"holyfuck is this still going! it will continue until the FA decide what happens next? I am not sure what could charge AF with, especially since the judge said he was credible and brave for going along with it even thought he didn't want to.... plus as the judge said it is unlikely that he would have said those words to JT in the first place.... JT you could charge as no one is disputing he said the words... the FA would have to decide whether there was intent behind the words...." the fa will probably charge them both i think.. they will do so i believe because they will want to be seen as 'being fair'.. af was also giving verbal, not sure if he also swore but just can not see them doing one and not the other.. then again it's the fa.. | |||
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"I did wonder how long it would be until Rio Tweeted something stupid." in rio's defence.... he didn't actually say it, he "retweeted" something someone else said as to endorse it... saying that... Ryan Babel was charged and found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute after retweeting the infamous "howard webb in a man united shirt" which was actually quite funny.... | |||
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"I did wonder how long it would be until Rio Tweeted something stupid. in rio's defence.... he didn't actually say it, he "retweeted" something someone else said as to endorse it... saying that... Ryan Babel was charged and found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute after retweeting the infamous "howard webb in a man united shirt" which was actually quite funny...." If Howard Webb is on the payroll, he has as much right to wear a Man U shirt as any other employee | |||
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