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"I (Mrs) do love a good debate. I like to think I’m logical and can form and articulate a viewpoint. I’m pretty good at keeping my cool unless I’m dealing with an idiot who doesn’t listen to what’s being said and just keeps banging on saying the same thing. Then I get very irritated. X" Do you think that tends to happen if you're not on the same level knowledge wise in relation to the topic? | |||
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"I (Mrs) do love a good debate. I like to think I’m logical and can form and articulate a viewpoint. I’m pretty good at keeping my cool unless I’m dealing with an idiot who doesn’t listen to what’s being said and just keeps banging on saying the same thing. Then I get very irritated. X Do you think that tends to happen if you're not on the same level knowledge wise in relation to the topic?" Oh I wouldn’t debate on a subject I had no knowledge of if it was relevant. So I suppose I’d expect others to behave similarly - and it’s irritating to realise that’s not always the case. A good debate needs a similar level of knowledge on both sides - otherwise it just becomes an argument or teaching. X | |||
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"Yes I love mass debating " I had hoped someone had written this ![]() | |||
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"Isn't the point of debate that it's based on opinion? If it was based on pure fact then it would be one sided. " Depends on the subject matter. Two people debating which is best for a particular group for example. What they are pushing for is based on opinion, but that opinion will be rooted in facts. Some people don't know they are wrong, feel their opinion is in fact... Fact. While the other person debates to change their opinion (which they view as fact) with other facts, not just an opinion. So yes you are not wrong, but it is not as simple as you put it. This right here is the start of a debate. | |||
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"It depends. If it’s a subject that I know about and the other people I’m debating with know about, but we have just got differing opinions on then yes. You can have reasoned debate about how you arrived at your different opinions faced with the same facts. If someone, however presents an opinion based on no knowledge or the belief in false knowledge then I find it very hard to have reasoned debate and tend not to bother as it just winds me up. " I supposed that happens more often when the subject is evidence based and the other person debates it on feelings rather than facts or knowledge? | |||
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"Yes I love mass debating I had hoped someone had written this ![]() I was so avoiding doing the mass debate joke ![]() | |||
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"I enjoy it, but I am not as good at it as I would like to be." Albeit I prefer dialogue to debate. | |||
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"Someone should propose a topic for debate ![]() Well as you suggested it, you should pick the first topic ![]() | |||
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"Someone should propose a topic for debate ![]() ![]() I propose it be debating! | |||
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"Isn't the point of debate that it's based on opinion? If it was based on pure fact then it would be one sided. Depends on the subject matter. Two people debating which is best for a particular group for example. What they are pushing for is based on opinion, but that opinion will be rooted in facts. Some people don't know they are wrong, feel their opinion is in fact... Fact. While the other person debates to change their opinion (which they view as fact) with other facts, not just an opinion. So yes you are not wrong, but it is not as simple as you put it. This right here is the start of a debate. " ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Yes I love it on here and in the pub with my mates God damn it I miss those nights. There's a few here who I often disagree with but we're always respectful about our differences. I don't particularly like debating with people who then start name calling etc just spoils it completely. Not sure if I'm good or not but can sustain a debate with someone of the opposite opinion without upset." That's the best way to go about it I feel. When they start ad hominem attacks it shows they can't really debate. | |||
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"Yes I love it on here and in the pub with my mates God damn it I miss those nights. There's a few here who I often disagree with but we're always respectful about our differences. I don't particularly like debating with people who then start name calling etc just spoils it completely. Not sure if I'm good or not but can sustain a debate with someone of the opposite opinion without upset. That's the best way to go about it I feel. When they start ad hominem attacks it shows they can't really debate." I'd agree if you have to resort to name calling and personal insults, you've lost the debate in my opinion | |||
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"Yes I love it on here and in the pub with my mates God damn it I miss those nights. There's a few here who I often disagree with but we're always respectful about our differences. I don't particularly like debating with people who then start name calling etc just spoils it completely. Not sure if I'm good or not but can sustain a debate with someone of the opposite opinion without upset. That's the best way to go about it I feel. When they start ad hominem attacks it shows they can't really debate. I'd agree if you have to resort to name calling and personal insults, you've lost the debate in my opinion " Agreed - but sadly is often the case usually starting with sly digs | |||
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"But a lot depends on what the purpose of the date is. I, and many others, enjoy a debate as a source of learning, being open to others view, seeing things from a different perspective. For others, its a form of bulling, forcing their view and opinions on others, while some who lack emotional intelligence think the only purpose is to win, a run down the clock." Funnily enough, I've noticed this too sometimes. It shows a real weakness in debating ability (and general wit). Getting the last word often means nothing more than you're just boringly persistent... and the lengths some people do to achieve this are almost pathological... as if getting the last word was somehow validation, rather than gross egoism. | |||
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"But a lot depends on what the purpose of the date is. I, and many others, enjoy a debate as a source of learning, being open to others view, seeing things from a different perspective. For others, its a form of bulling, forcing their view and opinions on others, while some who lack emotional intelligence think the only purpose is to win, a run down the clock." Your post reminds me of something I learned about the distinction between debate, discussion and dialogue. Debate is about case making, with the aim of making the strongest case, supported by evidence, in order to win. So Win Lose.with a rhythm of two heavyweights trading blows sequentially. Discussion has the same root as percussion and tends to have an argumentative percussive rhythm to it. Kind of beating each other up, trying to be heard. Most people involved generally feel exhausted by it as no one really listens except to interrupt and make their next point. So lose - lose Neither debate nor discussion really have learning as an aim. Whereas dialogue has learning at the heart of it as it is about the flow of meaning. Therefore the tone is one of inquiry, understanding each other’s perspectives in order to learn, laced with support and challenge too, but done in a spirit of mutual respect and enlightening conversation. | |||
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"People are too "woke" on here. Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic. We all judge. And rightfully so. If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts. "Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge" " Fair point. | |||
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"People are too "woke" on here. Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic. We all judge. And rightfully so. If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts. "Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge" " We should all judge, but we should be able to realise when not to reveal that judgement to others | |||
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"People are too "woke" on here. Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic. We all judge. And rightfully so. If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts. "Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge" " I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now. | |||
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"But a lot depends on what the purpose of the date is. I, and many others, enjoy a debate as a source of learning, being open to others view, seeing things from a different perspective. For others, its a form of bulling, forcing their view and opinions on others, while some who lack emotional intelligence think the only purpose is to win, a run down the clock." The thing is the kind of "debate" often had within the forums is very much opinion based and therefore subjective, and less likely to be a source of objective learning, apart from possibly about the other person(s) involved - and if you have two (or more) people with strong, and directly opposing opinions, it's unlikely that either will concede - it doesn't mean either has "won" or that one is bullying, just two people with different opinions, sadly it's too often called as "bullying" by one or the other as a means to shut an opposing opinion down - or an opposing opinion is seen as an attack rather than simply being the different perspective that you refer to, and accepting that, even if they can't agree with it. | |||
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"I love a good debate especially over topics that begins with someone saying 'I don't understand why it's offensive..... ' " Nothing wrong with people saying that though. It actually can be genuine in some cases, not always an excuse to be offensive. It is a great opportunity to then educate them and share another side of the subject matter. Some have never been in certain situations so generally won't understand how somethings could cause offense. Sometimes it's just bullshit too. However viewing it instantly as bullshit means you are going in to that "debate" with a narrow mindedness of your own which then injects direct conflict, heating things and very likely going to make them take the defensive and less negotiable anyway. Thus resulting in your opinion or fact rarely being viewed by them and the debate having gone in the opposite direction than it should. | |||
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"People are too "woke" on here. Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic. We all judge. And rightfully so. If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts. "Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge" I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now." Don't judge me! ![]() | |||
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"People are too "woke" on here. Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic. We all judge. And rightfully so. If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts. "Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge" I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now. Don't judge me! ![]() I don’t understand your quip. What do you mean? | |||
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"People are too "woke" on here. Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic. We all judge. And rightfully so. If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts. "Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge" I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now. Don't judge me! ![]() I don't know if you're joking. ![]() | |||
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"I love a good debate especially over topics that begins with someone saying 'I don't understand why it's offensive..... ' Nothing wrong with people saying that though. It actually can be genuine in some cases, not always an excuse to be offensive. It is a great opportunity to then educate them and share another side of the subject matter. Some have never been in certain situations so generally won't understand how somethings could cause offense. Sometimes it's just bullshit too. However viewing it instantly as bullshit means you are going in to that "debate" with a narrow mindedness of your own which then injects direct conflict, heating things and very likely going to make them take the defensive and less negotiable anyway. Thus resulting in your opinion or fact rarely being viewed by them and the debate having gone in the opposite direction than it should." Exactly I discuss tetchy topics with colleagues and I'm never surprised by how sure they are to share a 'fact' without it actually being a fact, and it isn't easy to correct someone without them being defensive but as you say 'it is a great opportunity to...share another side of the subject matter'. I learnt it's all to do with the delivery. | |||
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"People are too "woke" on here. Amount of times I see "dont judge" is pathetic. We all judge. And rightfully so. If you dont judge then kiss goodbye to your instincts. "Oh him,I heard he kicked hell out of his ex but he said she was clumsy and kept walking into doors.who am I to judge" I love how that word has become weaponised so it can be thrown around as an insult now. Don't judge me! ![]() ![]() Ironic joke | |||
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