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By *bbandflow OP Couple
over a year ago

South Devon

Looking forward to GB medals at the Olympics, but not to the anachronism that is our National Anthem. Surely, in our multi cultural modern democracy, there must be an alternative, more appropriate and uplifting than the self serving, Victorian Empire tub thumping dirge in situ .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Billy Connolly had the right idea when he suggested the theme tune from the Archers

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple.

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By *abloBackMan
over a year ago

London

I liked the old Aussie anthem, waltzing Matilda

The new one is dross

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

i agre England should have our own one (probably land of hope and glory or jeruselem) but god save the (whichever monarch is in place at the time) although its durge and slow, its got a lot more meaning behind it that some of the tripe some nations have.

never hear any germans disrespect their own one, even though it was used during the nazi years of german rule. national pride anyone? no thanks, we're british

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never hear any germans disrespect their own one, even though it was used during the nazi years of german rule. national pride anyone? no thanks, we're british

Actually they changed the wording a bit post war, and get extremely offended if you use the old words.

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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

Its a bit rich having a national anthem with a patagraph talking aout smiting rebellious scots (i think its the 5th verse)then expecting the scottish athletes to like it when standing on the podium dnt you think?

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

never hear any germans disrespect their own one, even though it was used during the nazi years of german rule. national pride anyone? no thanks, we're british

Actually they changed the wording a bit post war, and get extremely offended if you use the old words. "

wording, yes, but still the same national anthem.

ah lookit, why do we bother hating foreign people that hate our country when we have plenty of our own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never hear any germans disrespect their own one, even though it was used during the nazi years of german rule. national pride anyone? no thanks, we're british

Actually they changed the wording a bit post war, and get extremely offended if you use the old words.

wording, yes, but still the same national anthem.

ah lookit, why do we bother hating foreign people that hate our country when we have plenty of our own."

Isn't that the British way? We moan about everything and everyone.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple."

bit of a harsh response to be honest..

being critical of something which pretty much could do with a 'make over' does'nt mean someone should leave..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its a bit rich having a national anthem with a patagraph talking aout smiting rebellious scots (i think its the 5th verse)then expecting the scottish athletes to like it when standing on the podium dnt you think?"

I think you'll find we stopped singing that bit a few years ago.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"i agre England should have our own one (probably land of hope and glory or jeruselem) but god save the (whichever monarch is in place at the time) although its durge and slow, its got a lot more meaning behind it that some of the tripe some nations have.

funny enough in the commonwealth games, England do use "land of hope and glory".... but in all over events they use god save the queen..... (scotland use flower of scotland, wales use land of my fathers, and nothern ireland use danny boy....)

I think jerusalem is the one I would like... but that isn't the most cheery of songs either if you read the actual lyrics.....

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By *abloBackMan
over a year ago

London

Nobody even knows the second verse let alone the rest of it.

Personally I love hearing it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody even knows the second verse let alone the rest of it.

Personally I love hearing it"

I can sing all 12 verses, I'm more British then everyone on here.

(tongue is in cheek).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looking forward to GB medals at the Olympics, but not to the anachronism that is our National Anthem. Surely, in our multi cultural modern democracy, there must be an alternative, more appropriate and uplifting than the self serving, Victorian Empire tub thumping dirge in situ . "
As a compromise to the sentiment and modernisim we could adopt God Save the Queen by the Sex Pistols?

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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

"Looking forward to GB medals at the Olympics, but not to the anachronism that is our National Anthem. Surely, in our multi cultural modern democracy, there must be an alternative, more appropriate and uplifting than the self serving, Victorian Empire tub thumping dirge in situ . As a compromise to the sentiment and modernisim we could adopt God Save the Queen by the Sex Pistols?"

at least i can listen to that im a republican and an athiest so god save the queen means nothing positive to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you'll find we stopped singing that bit a few years ago. "

Alas.

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By *abloBackMan
over a year ago

London

"Looking forward to GB medals at the Olympics, but not to the anachronism that is our National Anthem. Surely, in our multi cultural modern democracy, there must be an alternative, more appropriate and uplifting than the self serving, Victorian Empire tub thumping dirge in situ . As a compromise to the sentiment and modernisim we could adopt God Save the Queen by the Sex Pistols?"

I like the madness version on kazoo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never hear any germans disrespect their own one, even though it was used during the nazi years of german rule. national pride anyone? no thanks, we're british

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Wouldnt know if the Germans criticised theirs or not dont understan a word of it lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The original song was written circa 1604 auth.unk and it was written as the standard version as used today. The offending verse mentioning 'rebellious Scots' was added c.1745 during the Jacobite rebellion but it was omitted in the published version in 1745. The verse is not a part of the official version and it was only ever a temporary inclusion during the aforementioned Jacobite rebellion, and hasn't been used since, except when rebellious Scots need an anti-British argument!

(that was a joke btw)

The official standard version is:

God save our gracious Queen,

Long live our noble Queen,

God save The Queen

Send her victorious,

Happy and glorious,

Long to reign over us:

God save The Queen.

O Lord, our God, arise,

Scatter her enemies,

And make them fall.

Confound their politics,

Frustrate their knavish tricks,

On Thee our hopes we fix,

God save us all.

Thy choicest gifts in store,

On her be pleased to pour;

Long may she reign:

May she defend our laws,

And ever give us cause

To sing with heart and voice

God save The Queen!

..and only the ruling monarch and his/her spouse is entitled to be saluted with the entire version. Lesser royals entitled to a Royal Salute consisting of the first 6 bars only.

In the United Kingdom, the first verse is the only verse typically sung, even at official occasions, although the third verse is sung in addition on rare occasions, and usually at the Last Night of the Proms. At the Closing Ceremony of the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the fourth verse of the William Hickson alternative lyrics was sung instead of the third verse, who is also credited with the quote: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again".

Hickson's version, and the one I personally prefer, goes thus:

God bless our native land!

May heaven's protecting hand

Still guard our shore:

May peace her power extend,

Foe be transformed to friend,

And Britain's rights depend

On war no more.

O Lord, our monarch bless

With strength and righteousness:

Long may she reign:

Her heart inspire and move

With wisdom from above;

And in a nation's love

Her throne maintain

May just and righteous laws

Uphold the public cause,

And bless our isle:

Home of the brave and free,

Thou land of liberty,

We pray that still on thee

Kind heaven may smile.

Nor on this land alone,

But be God's mercies known

From shore to shore:

Lord make the nations see

That men should brothers be,

And form one family

The wide world o'er.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple."

Yep --- well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what amuses me:-

singing god save the queen..and not being religious.

anyway, i mimed my way through church and plays throughout my school years..I'd do the same for a national anthem..any one.

Michael jacksons 'earth song'...cos am a global kinda kid...

or Queens 'Flash'...since I'm a universal savior...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple."

I am lucky to travel the world with my work but I always come home as its where I belong. This sceptred isle is one of the best places in the world to live and bring up children. Having a monachy has no influece on the health of the nation which at the moment is suffereing from a lingering flu which despite the best efforts of the British people we cannot shake off. If we need a monachy they should be paid the minimum wage and have one house. The monachy is akin to religion as being an opiate for the masses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean the, now redundant, 6th verse which goes like this....

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King.

Ought to bring it back if you ask me....

Hi all you lovely Scottish people!!!!! Lol!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple."
Bit of an over reaction, just stating that the National anthem requires to be replaced doesnt mean the person isnt patriotic, probably means he/they would like to listen to something which is slightly more exhilerating than a tune which is one step up from a funeral March. Personally I am totally patriotic Ifeel pride when we watch the union Flag being raised at medel winning ceremonies, but I too feel a little embarrassed by the national Anthem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While we're bringing back the verse about the weasel Scot, can we also revive that good old drinking toast: "Confusion to the French"?

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By *bbandflow OP Couple
over a year ago

South Devon

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple."

Can only think yours was a knee jerk reaction..the assumptions are breathtaking...that I have no pride in a National Anthem..that I have no interest in the history of our nation..that I don't like what the country represents..it's simply because I do have pride in the National Anthem..that I do have interest in the history of the nation..that I do like what the country represents... that I think we can do better at expressing the collective emotions we feel about our country.

Read John of Gaunt's description of England..Richard 11..now if they could put that to music...and then tell me I don't loVe this country!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"While we're bringing back the verse about the weasel Scot, can we also revive that good old drinking toast: "Confusion to the French"?

All up for anything that gets one back to the French - like retaking Gaul for instance.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd agree, Jerusalem would be a much better alternative (I also disagree that the lyrics aren't nice, I used to love singing it in Choral at school).

Land of hope and glory (also previously suggested) would also be cool, but both songs are just as backward looking as the current one...............

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"While we're bringing back the verse about the weasel Scot, can we also revive that good old drinking toast: "Confusion to the French"?

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I prefer 'To wives and sweethearts, may they never meet' for a toast myself.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean the, now redundant, 6th verse which goes like this....

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King.

Ought to bring it back if you ask me....

Hi all you lovely Scottish people!!!!! Lol!

get back on jeremy kyle ya paira wenchy sassanachs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean the, now redundant, 6th verse which goes like this....

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King.

Ought to bring it back if you ask me....

Hi all you lovely Scottish people!!!!! Lol!

get back on jeremy kyle ya paira wenchy sassanachs"

You know you love us really.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean the, now redundant, 6th verse which goes like this....

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King.

Ought to bring it back if you ask me....

Hi all you lovely Scottish people!!!!! Lol!

get back on jeremy kyle ya paira wenchy sassanachs

You know you love us really.......

I have love and hate tattooed to each testicle..just for faceslapping against Perky..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple.

"
You say that, but I spent the 50th Jubilee on Geurnsey and happened to be in a pub for the celebrations. I have always been a republican and so I turned my back on the Telly when they did the anthem. I got into a fair bit of trouble with the GF for that one............

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By *kmale421Man
over a year ago

wirral

Well speaking from The People's Republic of Liverpool, I much prefer our anthem of "You'll Never walk Alone" sung loud and proud at this years cup final.

Mind you maybe we should all be singing

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Falling down, falling down

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Poor Old Cockneys

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, bankers Bonus's Banakers Bonus's

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, Poor Old Cockneys

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"Well speaking from The People's Republic of Liverpool, I much prefer our anthem of "You'll Never walk Alone" sung loud and proud at this years cup final.

Mind you maybe we should all be singing

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Falling down, falling down

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Poor Old Cockneys

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, bankers Bonus's Banakers Bonus's

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, Poor Old Cockneys"

actually, always brings a tear to my eye when you hear 50k scousers singing that in anfield.

mind, only because it means my cars wheels are safe for another 90 minuts lol

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

You mean the, now redundant, 6th verse which goes like this....

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King.

Ought to bring it back if you ask me....

Hi all you lovely Scottish people!!!!! Lol!

get back on jeremy kyle ya paira wenchy sassanachs

You know you love us really.......

I have love and hate tattooed to each testicle..just for faceslapping against Perky.."

How do you come up with these things?!!

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By *kmale421Man
over a year ago

wirral

"Well speaking from The People's Republic of Liverpool, I much prefer our anthem of "You'll Never walk Alone" sung loud and proud at this years cup final.

Mind you maybe we should all be singing

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Falling down, falling down

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Poor Old Cockneys

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, bankers Bonus's Banakers Bonus's

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, Poor Old Cockneys

actually, always brings a tear to my eye when you hear 50k scousers singing that in anfield.

mind, only because it means my cars wheels are safe for another 90 minuts lol"

Lmao, not quite the Blueshite are outside nicking your wheels and ebaying them so they can try and get another player

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well speaking from The People's Republic of Liverpool, I much prefer our anthem of "You'll Never walk Alone" sung loud and proud at this years cup final.

Mind you maybe we should all be singing

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Falling down, falling down

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Poor Old Cockneys

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, bankers Bonus's Banakers Bonus's

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, Poor Old Cockneys

actually, always brings a tear to my eye when you hear 50k scousers singing that in anfield.

mind, only because it means my cars wheels are safe for another 90 minuts lol"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple.

You say that, but I spent the 50th Jubilee on Geurnsey and happened to be in a pub for the celebrations. I have always been a republican and so I turned my back on the Telly when they did the anthem. I got into a fair bit of trouble with the GF for that one............"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Billy Connolly had the right idea when he suggested the theme tune from the Archers

hee hee yes that's what I was gonna say

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

never hear any germans disrespect their own one, even though it was used during the nazi years of german rule. national pride anyone? no thanks, we're british

Actually they changed the wording a bit post war, and get extremely offended if you use the old words.

wording, yes, but still the same national anthem.

ah lookit, why do we bother hating foreign people that hate our country when we have plenty of our own."

If the wording has changed then it can not the same national anthem.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

You mean the, now redundant, 6th verse which goes like this....

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King.

Ought to bring it back if you ask me....

Hi all you lovely Scottish people!!!!! Lol!

Yes then send the Scots into the front when you have a war as you know the job will get done.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

i like our national anthem......failing that id use Jerusalem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean the, now redundant, 6th verse which goes like this....

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King.

Ought to bring it back if you ask me....

Hi all you lovely Scottish people!!!!! Lol!

get back on jeremy kyle ya paira wenchy sassanachs

You know you love us really.......

I have love and hate tattooed to each testicle..just for faceslapping against Perky..

How do you come up with these things?!!

I type before I think...most times..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

u cant beat the welsh anthem.wales for ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tradition is important, keeping heritage from people carrying forward your fathers family name to history, remembrance of the past and the national anthem.

There are many who would love to change the past and have Europa as one huge faceless state but loosing your national identity does nobody any good. That's why the national anthem is a great thing to have, it has history, pride and in the majority its well respected. Why change something that's not broken after all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean the, now redundant, 6th verse which goes like this....

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King.

Ought to bring it back if you ask me....

Hi all you lovely Scottish people!!!!! Lol!

get back on jeremy kyle ya paira wenchy sassanachs

You know you love us really.......

I have love and hate tattooed to each testicle..just for faceslapping against Perky..

How do you come up with these things?!!

Cos we're sad and clearly have far too much time on our hands?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well speaking from The People's Republic of Liverpool, I much prefer our anthem of "You'll Never walk Alone" sung loud and proud at this years cup final.

Mind you maybe we should all be singing

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Falling down, falling down

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Poor Old Cockneys

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, bankers Bonus's Banakers Bonus's

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, Poor Old Cockneys"

May I just point out that neither the M4 elevated section, nor the City of London is near St Mary le Bow, spiritual home of the Cock-neys.......

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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

"Well speaking from The People's Republic of Liverpool, I much prefer our anthem of "You'll Never walk Alone" sung loud and proud at this years cup final.

Mind you maybe we should all be singing

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Falling down, falling down

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Poor Old Cockneys

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, bankers Bonus's Banakers Bonus's

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, Poor Old Cockneys

May I just point out that neither the M4 elevated section, nor the City of London is near St Mary le Bow, spiritual home of the Cock-neys.......

actually the bow bells were rang at sundown to warn of the closing of the city of london's gates (not the modern borough), hence the real reason for the saying, `born within the sound of the bow bells'even tho bow is in tower hamlets, then historicaly so was some of the old city of london.

then again so are many banks now as many are in the isle of dogs.

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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple.

I am patriotic, but i can love my country, and dislike an anthem which i consider to be morally wrong, it may be akin to turning you back on your country to some people but thats thier opinion not mine and they can chose not to i chose not to care what people with such narrow perspectives think an exersise my free will against something foisted on us.I can still dislike a national anthem which i consider wrong and dont need such silly trappings to love my country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well speaking from The People's Republic of Liverpool, I much prefer our anthem of "You'll Never walk Alone" sung loud and proud at this years cup final.

Mind you maybe we should all be singing

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Falling down, falling down

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Poor Old Cockneys

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, bankers Bonus's Banakers Bonus's

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, Poor Old Cockneys

May I just point out that neither the M4 elevated section, nor the City of London is near St Mary le Bow, spiritual home of the Cock-neys.......

then again so are many banks now as many are in the isle of dogs. "

Correct. Most people think the 'Bow' in question is the one at the top of the A102, but it ain't - Lawd luva duck, gov'nor..... me farmers are playin up today and no mistake...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple."

Thing is, it's not one country, is it? It's a mongrel mix of two individual countries a principality and a province. Nowhere else like it exists on earth. To be frank, it is attitudes like yours that have caused the divisions that exist here now.

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By *ess44Couple
over a year ago

northernireland

totally agree x well said

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By *avy1999Man
over a year ago

Manchester

What she said. A prerequisite of any National Anthem should be the requirement to be anthemic. This depressing dirge should be ditched for the stirring classic 'Land of Hope and Glory'.....a tune that is as good,if not better, than what those Yanks and Frogs can boast.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The National Anthem isn't broke and so doen't need a 'make over' (

) or updating or making modern or any other nonsense. It represents our Country to others and does indeed cover ALL of the United Kingdom as does our National Flag (wrongly called a Union Jack unless it flown from the Jackstaff of one of Her Majesty's ships) which is made up of all the flags of the countries and provinces that make up this fabulous place.

To me it just represents a way for a group of people (and particularly those of us who have served) to acknowledge our Head of State (whom our Armed Forces serve) and express our love for our country. Its really quite simple.

And I tend towards the opinion expressed by a certain Australian Prime Minister of recent years who said "You are free to come here, to join us in our way of life and share in our traditions. But if you don't want to do that and don't like our way of life you are just as free to leave ..."

Equally as simple.

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By *oystaMan
over a year ago

Liverpool Tuebrook

"The National Anthem isn't broke and so doen't need a 'make over' (

Equally as simple."

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over a year ago

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple.

Even republicans are patriotic. Turning your back on the anthem is akin to turning your back on your country in some people's eyes. You can love your country and be proud of it's anthems/flags etc yet still be true to your beliefs."
Aye, I am a patriot, this is why I didn't turn my back on the anthem at the tatoo, or on Rememberence Sunday but at a Jubilee celebration which I thought was a pile of pants........

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The British national anthem isn't a song of loyalty to the nation, it's a song of servitude to a hereditary head of state and the ultimate deference to the hierarchy of deference. You'll won't catch me singing it. It's pure bollox.

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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

"The British national anthem isn't a song of loyalty to the nation, it's a song of servitude to a hereditary head of state and the ultimate deference to the hierarchy of deference. You'll won't catch me singing it. It's pure bollox.

couldnt agree more, and as for if you dont like this country get out attitudes, we all have every right to disagree with aspects of a country and hope for improvement, otherwise the moment the person who posted moans about any aspect at all to do with our country (which im sure they have done everyone moans about politics/criminal justice/ media or something)they would have to take thier own advice.

Its a rude arrogant way of effectively telling someone to shut up.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The National Anthem isn't broke and so doen't need a 'make over' (

Equally as simple."

thats your opinion, but you are wrong..

the flag represents us all m8, no one in particular above anyone else..

having also served i have no position above others who may feel that the anthem is either in their opinion out of date, innapropriate for a modern society etc etc..

i respect their view and as long as people stay within our laws in voicing their opinion they have every right to stay here..

we are better for it..

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

It should be land of hope and glory..im not an anti royalist, they're ok...but when the fuck should we have to sing about a monarch?..

Apart from those tin pot dictatorships in deepest Africa we must be the only country who do so..

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Just for the over commercialised event to be held in a capital city near you mugs darn sarf, in the not too distant future, may i suggest a temporary Anthem for those occasions when we rise to podium class :

"Lipsmackin thirst quenchin (ace tastin motivatin good buzzin cool talkin high walkin fast livin ever givin cool fizzin) aaaw PEPSI.

Maybe not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know the words the the national anthem and never wanted to learn it as i am a Republican.

From a purely musical point of view, it is such a dreary dirgeful tune.

I would love it to be Land of Hope and Glory

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"The National Anthem ..... cover(s) ALL of the United Kingdom as does our National Flag (wrongly called a Union Jack unless it flown from the Jackstaff of one of Her Majesty's ships)

I had a heated debate with some 'oyck' at Gatwick the other day who INSISTED (Insisted!!! The cheek of it!) that it can be called a 'jack' when flown from 'any old ship'...... Needless to say they left with their tail between their legs and with the ever-increasing crowd making clear their disapproval of the 'oyck's' position.....

Uncle Pork - 1

Annoying Oyck - NIL

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By *iker BullMan
over a year ago

leeds

"I liked the old Aussie anthem, waltzing Matilda

The new one is dross

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waltzing matilda has never been the australian anthem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple."

One of the things that this country represents is freedom of speech and anyone who isn't happy with this is in my opinion free to go and live in a country where there is no freedom of speech.

The current National Anthem with its emphasis on grovelling to the monarch is fine for those who love to doff their caps tug their forelocks and generally bow and scrape to their royal lords and masters but to the 20% of the population who like myself are republicans it isn't.

Incidentally each of the THREE nations which make up the political construct called Britain not only has its own history but its own language.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Late entry for it's replacement :

"If yer happy and you know it, clap yer hands."

Although, i'm guessing it would be a waste in the men's singles tennis event.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While there are many things l don't like about Americans l do admire them for their love of Country, their flag and their way of life. Try telling an American in America you don't like their National Anthem . . .

So l wish those who express similar love for the British flag etc weren't ridiculed quite the way they are.

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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

"While there are many things l don't like about Americans l do admire them for their love of Country, their flag and their way of life. Try telling an American in America you don't like their National Anthem . . .

So l wish those who express similar love for the British flag etc weren't ridiculed quite the way they are."

ridiculed they may be, im sure some do but likewise those that have legitamate reasons for not liking it are not only ridiculed but told to get out of the country which is absurd and goes against the very principles that britain is supposed to stand for.

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over a year ago

Please check my posts and you will find l have never said 'get out'. I said l agreed with an Ossie PM who said people are free to leave if they didn't like being in his country. But people don't leave because it is a bastion of free speech, tolerance and democracy. But some take advantage our great country, contribute Fuck all and want to change our way of life.

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By *bbandflow OP Couple
over a year ago

South Devon

"Please check my posts and you will find l have never said 'get out'. I said l agreed with an Ossie PM who said people are free to leave if they didn't like being in his country. But people don't leave because it is a bastion of free speech, tolerance and democracy. But some take advantage our great country, contribute Fuck all and want to change our way of life."

What kind of twisted thought process concludes that a person who thinks our National Anthem could be modernised 'doesn't like being in this country...takes advantage of it..contributes Fuck all..and wants to change our way of life'...Bizarre and ultimately sad.

People have perfectly valid and honourable reasons why they wouldn't want it changed, and should be respected for that... is it too much to ask for that respect to be reciprocated.

For the record my Grandfather's name is inscribed on the Mausoleum wall at the Menin Gate in Ypres, Belgium.. recorded as killed in action, and having no known grave..above the names the words 'Pro Rege' and 'Pro Patria' are inscribed..'For King and Country'

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over a year ago

People have perfectly valid and honourable reasons why they wouldn't want it changed, and should be respected for that... is it too much to ask for that respect to be reciprocated.

Hey if you are going to call a thought process 'twisted' at least make sure you aren't twisting other people's words to suit your pre-conceived ideas?. I NEVER said that at all and if you can prove I did I'd like to see you copy / paste it. My entire last 2 posts were solely about people being free to leave if they didn't like our country. I said nothing at all about the National Anthem. The Thread has moved on and I would be grateful if you acknowledged you are misquoting me. The only bizarre and ultimatel sad thing here is your criticising me for something I never said or inferred.

I agree with you respect should be reciprocated but I don't think misquoting people out of context shows any respect at all. I am sure it was a simple mistake on your part but I did find it unnecessary.

For the record I stop my truck wherever I am on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month to respect, honour and remember people like your Grandfather, my cousin and my best mate who are also named similarly but in different places.

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By *bbandflow OP Couple
over a year ago

South Devon

People have perfectly valid and honourable reasons why they wouldn't want it changed, and should be respected for that... is it too much to ask for that respect to be reciprocated.

So your quote in your first post re an Australian PM had no connection or relevance to the rest of the post where you rubbished the idea of a new National Anthem...it was just a random thought..really

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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago

warrington

"Well speaking from The People's Republic of Liverpool, I much prefer our anthem of "You'll Never walk Alone" sung loud and proud at this years cup final.

Mind you maybe we should all be singing

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Falling down, falling down

The M4 Motorways falling Down, Poor Old Cockneys

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, bankers Bonus's Banakers Bonus's

Build it up with Banker's Bonus's, Poor Old Cockneys

actually, always brings a tear to my eye when you hear 50k scousers singing that in anfield.

mind, only because it means my cars wheels are safe for another 90 minuts lol"

Hmmmm! false sense of security there as there are plenty of evertonians that are more than happy to remove your wheels well before half time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... but not to the anachronism that is our National Anthem. Surely, in our multi cultural modern democracy, there must be an alternative, more appropriate and uplifting than the self serving, Victorian Empire tub thumping dirge in situ. "

Course there is, have a listen to countries that have changed their National Anthems and let me know who got it right...

Good (committee approved*) example is Ode to Joy, the EU anthem.....

* Every one agreed to it, but no one really likes it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's right, we sing all verses of it.

Flower of Scotland has an anti English bits too, but that's history for both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"at least i can listen to that im a republican and an athiest so god save the queen means nothing positive to me"

It's not about you, but the Country which you live in.

The one that has given you the right to a republican and an athiest, enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" but at a Jubilee celebration which I thought was a pile of pants........"

What were you doing at the celebration party in the first place???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's right, we sing all verses of it.

Flower of Scotland has an anti English bits too, but that's history for both."

Theres a big difference in defending yourself from invasion, which is in Flower of Scotland, and "crushing rebellious scots" in the english anthem, condoning murder and the highland clearances/genocide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Invasion and crushing *rebellious* Scots are two different things.

Many Scottish lairds, supported the crushing of the rebellious ones...

But you know, it was some 400 years ago, I think we have moved on a bit since then or have we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So your quote in your first post re an Australian PM had no connection or relevance to the rest of the post where you rubbished the idea of a new National Anthem...it was just a random thought..really"

Well actually no they aren't. Its called Paragraph Seperation. Or can't we make more than one point in each Thread? And I did not 'rubbish' the idea of a new Anthem. What I said was:

" The National Anthem isn't broke and so doen't need a 'make over' or updating or making modern or any other nonsense."

...and then went on to relate this to the National Flag.

My third point was what the Anthem means to me and what I thought it meant to others.

It was after these points that I added the Ossie comment. Which I still think is right. To say someone is 'free to leave' if they don't like HOW we do things and WHY we do things is NOT the same as telling someone to get out which is what you accused me of doing. So please do disagree or even criticise but don't misquote and twist what I have said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just burned a flag in my living room

oops meant fag...

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By *bbandflow OP Couple
over a year ago

South Devon

Well actually no they aren't. Its called Paragraph Seperation. Or can't we make more than one point in each Thread? And I did not 'rubbish' the idea of a new Anthem. What I said was:

The National Anthem isn't broke and so doen't need a 'make over' or updating or making modern or any other nonsense.

...and then went on to relate this to the National Flag.

My third point was what the Anthem means to me and what I thought it meant to others.

Misquote where?..twist, that's your opinion..Paragraph separation..so the last paragraph was just a random thought thrown in with no connection to the previous ones..will leave that to you and your conscience.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Misquote where?..twist, that's your opinion"

oh really? These are your words not mine so who is twisting what?

"What kind of twisted thought process concludes that a person who thinks our National Anthem could be modernised 'doesn't like being in this country...takes advantage of it..contributes Fuck all..and wants to change our way of life'...Bizarre and ultimately sad. "

You were and still are twisting (to use your word) what I am saying.

" ..Paragraph separation..so the last paragraph was just a random thought thrown in with no connection to the previous ones..will leave that to you and your conscience."

Erm. I already said it was. So your point is?

Conscience?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow - it's easy to forget which site this forum is on!

Two thoughts (though happy to be corrected if you know otherwise) - I've read that 'God Save The Queen' is unique as a national anthem in not being about the nation, only about the sovereign (main verses)

On a related theme, the Anglo-Saxon race is unique for having a hyphen. I am proud of the fact that my race is made up of more than one!!

(I'm also a bit Irish, a bit Gipsy and a bit German from just the last 3 generations.)

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By *bbandflow OP Couple
over a year ago

South Devon

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By *bbandflow OP Couple
over a year ago

South Devon

"Misquote where?..twist, that's your opinion

oh really? These are your words not mine so who is twisting what?

You were and still are twisting (to use your word) what I am saying.

..Paragraph separation..so the last paragraph was just a random thought thrown in with no connection to the previous ones..will leave that to you and your conscience.

Erm. I already said it was. So your point is?

Conscience?

Fine, so you accept that a citizen of this country can want to update our National Anthem without them being ..anti Monarchy, not respecting our values and traditions, and not respecting the dedication of our armed forces.

Yes or No

Simple

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"fine, dont like it, dont salute it.

no one forces you.

but there are plenty of people that take the national anthem as something of pride, so dont disrespect their views just because you have no interest in the history of this great nation.

sick to death of all the shit on britain threads that seem to come around more often than not.

if you dont like what the country represents, change it or get out, it really is that simple."

a national anthem is not somethig you just change at the drop of a hat (just the dead of a monarch...from queen to king lol)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...and "crushing rebellious scots" in the english anthem, condoning murder and the highland clearances/genocide."

Which ISN'T in the BRITISH national anthem. God Save The Queen is not an English song as it is used all over the commonwealth.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The rebellious Scots were those who wanted an alternative to the Catholic-hating Hanoverian succession.

The monarchy today remains symbolic of anti-Catholic prejudice in the establishment. To sing its praise is to condone and encourage discrimination.

I am not catholic btw.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes or No

Simple"

Well put in such stark and 'simple' terms the answer has to be No, No and Yes.

Quite what respect to the dedication of the Armed Forces has to do with the debate I don't know so of course the answer to that part is 'yes'. However the way the National Anthem is regarded by the Armed Forces as a rallying call, a way to show respect to the Head of State (and their Commander in Chief) in a direct way is a different matter altogether as I have said and for the reasons I said.

So why, if you are not anti-monarchy, would you want to change an Anthem that places the Monarch (the Head of State) at its centre?

And given the Anthem as it is now has such a major place in our history, traditions and 'who we are' again if you are not against all that in some way why would you consider changing it?

Your question warranted a better answer than just 'simply' yes or no.

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over a year ago

"The rebellious Scots were those who wanted an alternative to the Catholic-hating Hanoverian succession.

The monarchy today remains symbolic of anti-Catholic prejudice in the establishment. To sing its praise is to condone and encourage discrimination.

I am not catholic btw."

Do you honestly believe that everyone who sings God Save The Queen is anit-Catholic?

Well, here's the news chum, my eldest is a catholic and even she sings it. I sing it too and I'm certainly not anti-my daughter.

All this anti-catholic/anti-scottish nonsense is leftover relics of things that happened centuries ago, and there is nothing in the national anthem that infers that those who sing it are harbouring hatred of things they probably don't even know about.

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over a year ago

But if you were Scottish, you probably WOULD know about it. I would never stand to or sing God Save the Queen. I simply don't see it as my country's anthem- it isn't. I'm not taking a religious, republican or intolerant view; it has no relevance to modern Scotland.

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over a year ago

"But if you were Scottish, you probably WOULD know about it. I would never stand to or sing God Save the Queen. I simply don't see it as my country's anthem- it isn't. I'm not taking a religious, republican or intolerant view; it has no relevance to modern Scotland. "

Sorry have I missed something? Has Scotland gone independant? So there is no more 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' then?

Thought 'Modern' Scotland was still part of 'Modern' UK ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And your choice of anthem would be?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite like the one we Scots have, thanks

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Ignorance is bliss, eh? The national anthem is one of those leftover relics too. It has its place in history, not modern society.

Everything else in this country has moved, except the establishment. We'd still be subjects, not citizens, were it not for membership of the EU. The monarchy continues to exclude Catholics. It's just getting round to accept gender equality, about 100 years after the rest of us accepted it.

It's a complete anachronism and so is an anthem designed to reinforce the "doff the cap" servitude of the masses. No, you stick the anthem up yer erse as far as I'm concerned.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

how is the monarchy anti catholic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Quite like the one we Scots have, thanks

And that is relevant to 'Modern' Scotland...Okkkkkey.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how is the monarchy anti catholic?"

pssst ...it isn't but don't tell anyone

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

also....i think you will find that gender equality is still something people fight for!!

how can a monarchy with a woman at its head for 60 years not have geder equality??

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"how is the monarchy anti catholic?"

Read the history and why the British establishment picked a German family for succession. That same German family has sat on the throne of the UK now for, oh, I dunno, maybe 200+ years now. Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was the first Brit ever to marry into the lineage at the next-in-line level.

There is a prohibition on the monarch being a Catholic and has been for 100s of years. The British establishment opted for the German family because it gave them the best assurance of maintaining that.

The anti-Catholic position embodied by the Royal Family was the root of various rebellions and revolts, hence the line in the third verse of the national anthem about crushing the rebellious Scots.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"also....i think you will find that gender equality is still something people fight for!!

how can a monarchy with a woman at its head for 60 years not have geder equality??"

she is queen only because her parents did not produce a male offspring. if betty windsor had a younger brother, he would be king.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"how is the monarchy anti catholic?

The anti-Catholic position embodied by the Royal Family was the root of various rebellions and revolts, hence the line in the third verse of the national anthem about crushing the rebellious Scots.

thats all history...how is THIS MONARCH anti catholic....give me actual instances when she has proved to be against the catholic church.

We can all go back in history and find something about any family we dont like...doesn't mean its appropriate now

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"also....i think you will find that gender equality is still something people fight for!!

how can a monarchy with a woman at its head for 60 years not have geder equality??

she is queen only because her parents did not produce a male offspring. if betty windsor had a younger brother, he would be king.

but if the monarchy were truely women haters they would have found loop hole to put one of her cousins or other male relation in place surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't know the words, then, I take it. Unfortunately, they are more relevant too modern Scotland than I'd like them to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually,for the record, those rebellious Scots were not fighting a pro Catholic cause. They were fighting against domination and subjugation. They hated the imposition of Episcopalian Church rites and 'that' prayer book on a country with its own ways. Yes, we Scots love the French- the Auld Alliance- and that involved religion but also expediency for both sides.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't know the words, then, I take it. Unfortunately, they are more relevant too modern Scotland than I'd like them to be. "

With google, I know everything that is known

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In that case, wtf you talking about then? Lol x

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

God save the queen is brilliant...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I liked the old Aussie anthem, waltzing Matilda

The new one is dross

This is the Aussie anthem not waltzing Matilda,

John Williamson Home among the gum trees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h85hqvskiCw

This should be the new one

I am - You are - we are Australians - The Seekers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In that case, wtf you talking about then? Lol x"

It's about Edward I, how he was told to come back when he was hard enough, Edward II is the one that came back x

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over a year ago

"There is a prohibition on the monarch being a Catholic and has been for 100s of years. The British establishment opted for the German family because it gave them the best assurance of maintaining that.

The anti-Catholic position embodied by the Royal Family was the root of various rebellions and revolts, hence the line in the third verse of the national anthem about crushing the rebellious Scots.

It would be a tad tricky for a King or Queen of The United Kingdom, who is also de-facto head of the protestant Church of England, to be a practising catholic.

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over a year ago

We certainly should not consider changing our national anthem in order to comply with some multi-cultural directive. Immigrants etc joining this country should embrace and endorse our society and principles and should swear allegiance to our country and our flag.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"We certainly should not consider changing our national anthem in order to comply with some multi-cultural directive. Immigrants etc joining this country should embrace and endorse our society and principles and should swear allegiance to our country and our flag."

think they do in any case with the 'citizenship' process and by and large agree etc but what about the 'relevance' of the anthem for todays society..

yes there is the if its not broke dont 'fix it' argument, but is it still relevant today as when it was penned?

i dont class myself as subject to anyone, even her Maj if i'm honest..

even when wearing the uniform of her armed forces and doing ones duty etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all I can say is God save the Queen, and I am proud to say that,

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over a year ago

think they do in any case with the 'citizenship' process and by and large agree etc but what about the 'relevance' of the anthem for todays society..

yes there is the if its not broke dont 'fix it' argument, but is it still relevant today as when it was penned?

If we're to change our anthem/flag/identity to reflect modern Britain, where would be the cut-off point? How often do we change these things? What is considered important enough to require a change?

I think the national anthem could be updated but only with relatively minor changes.

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By *hocolateRodMan
over a year ago

London and over UK

According to wikipedia - the national anthem was first used in /around 1745

Does that mean the folks before 1745 were less patriotic than those after?

The anthem was changed during the 18th/19th/20th centuries. It was changed in 1946 to "remove an imperious belligerent secondstanza" by King George

There isnt even a definitive version. There are various versions of the antehm

Doesnt that mean it cant change again, as it always has in the past.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, it become popular in 1745 and was sung in music halls reputedly.

That was when the verse was added about crushing the rebellious Scots. I guess there must've been widespread concern about the rebellion taking hold.

Simon Cowell is good with new songs. Maybe he could run a competition on his show.

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By *hocolateRodMan
over a year ago

London and over UK

yes - thats a great idea - an x factor version of the anthem

mind you, i always cry when it turns out that someone has a great voice

finally someone talking sense

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over a year ago

OK those who wish to change the Anthem say that it is:

Anti Scottish: Thats fine by me (joke!)but it isn't.

Anti Catholic: It isn't.

Its Monarchist: No shit sherlock. She is the Head of State!

Its old: Well OK then lets knock down Big Ben, St Pauls, Westminster Abbey, Forth Road Bridge etc etc ..and lets build erm ..lets build ..erm ..Precisely what?

I love the Anthem and still have to stand to attention when I hear it and even when I was in a wheelchair I made sure I found a way to get vertical. I love what it stands for to others, what it means to me and how it says what Britain is and always has been. Tradition makes us what we are and few countries have the depth and length of history that Gt Britain has and the Anthem is all about Tradition.

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By *uckscouple2007Couple
over a year ago

Bucks

its been a pleasure to hear our National Anthem 6 times so far in this 1st week and hope still more to come before sunday week

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK those who wish to change the Anthem say that it is:

Anti Scottish: Thats fine by me (joke!)but it isn't.

Anti Catholic: It isn't.

Its Monarchist: No shit sherlock. She is the Head of State!

Its old: Well OK then lets knock down Big Ben, St Pauls, Westminster Abbey, Forth Road Bridge etc etc ..and lets build erm ..lets build ..erm ..Precisely what?

... and anyone else noticed how downcast the losers (note - LOSERS!!!!) look when our National Anthem is played??? Could it be that they wish they had one which was as recognised and - dare I risk an incoming!! - 'respected' around the World????? Poor them.....

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