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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person " Are you in politics! | |||
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"Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person " Is there an actually, uniformly agreed definition of a player? I'd love to know what it is! | |||
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"Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person Is there an actually, uniformly agreed definition of a player? I'd love to know what it is!" Check my profile and constantly think the opposite! | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person " And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc... | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc... " Really agree with you. | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes?" It depends some leather clad motorcyclists look like Dave Myers | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc..." You’re so wrong.....! | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc... You’re so wrong.....!" Well then, I stand corrected, but care to enlighten me further? | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes?" No. Really, no. | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc... You’re so wrong.....! Well then, I stand corrected, but care to enlighten me further?" Who the hell wants a project? Life is hard enough without having to redeem an irresponsible man child. | |||
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"I AM the love 'em and leave 'em guy! " Wow, you're the best looking guy on here if you are! | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes?" No! Not here | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes? It depends some leather clad motorcyclists look like Dave Myers " So you prefer Si King? | |||
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""Bad boys" have always had a lot of appeal so this isn't a stereotype. I suppose they give off an aura of masculinity and independence that women find attractive. Very few of them can reform and remain that way despite the efforts of women to lock them down to committing. If they can have attention from multiple women, why would they want to?" Well, several girls I went to school with were left holding the babies of these guys. Often, the men never to be heard form again in any meaningful way. It's interesting because men are often seen as solely to blame when it comes to absent fathers - and to a large extent they are - but there also has to be some responsibility on the part of the women in terms of her choices regarding the man in the first place. | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc... You’re so wrong.....! Well then, I stand corrected, but care to enlighten me further? Who the hell wants a project? Life is hard enough without having to redeem an irresponsible man child." Not sure this is a universally held view, I've heard the exact opposite from women. | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes? No! Not here" Guess that's because you're a lady of choice. | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc... You’re so wrong.....! Well then, I stand corrected, but care to enlighten me further? Who the hell wants a project? Life is hard enough without having to redeem an irresponsible man child. Not sure this is a universally held view, I've heard the exact opposite from women. " I certainly didn't say all women felt this way. I was expressing my view. | |||
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""Bad boys" have always had a lot of appeal so this isn't a stereotype. I suppose they give off an aura of masculinity and independence that women find attractive. Very few of them can reform and remain that way despite the efforts of women to lock them down to committing. If they can have attention from multiple women, why would they want to? Well, several girls I went to school with were left holding the babies of these guys. Often, the men never to be heard form again in any meaningful way. It's interesting because men are often seen as solely to blame when it comes to absent fathers - and to a large extent they are - but there also has to be some responsibility on the part of the women in terms of her choices regarding the man in the first place. " It takes two to tango. The bad boy will be a bad boy as its his nature and people rarely change. The woman should've known what she was getting into and often they do but somehow hope they can "change" them. Obviously not her fault for the father being an absent one, but yes for one likely to behave that way. | |||
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""Bad boys" have always had a lot of appeal so this isn't a stereotype. I suppose they give off an aura of masculinity and independence that women find attractive. Very few of them can reform and remain that way despite the efforts of women to lock them down to committing. If they can have attention from multiple women, why would they want to? Well, several girls I went to school with were left holding the babies of these guys. Often, the men never to be heard form again in any meaningful way. It's interesting because men are often seen as solely to blame when it comes to absent fathers - and to a large extent they are - but there also has to be some responsibility on the part of the women in terms of her choices regarding the man in the first place. It takes two to tango. The bad boy will be a bad boy as its his nature and people rarely change. The woman should've known what she was getting into and often they do but somehow hope they can "change" them. Obviously not her fault for the father being an absent one, but yes for one likely to behave that way." For choosing one | |||
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"It takes two to tango." BULLSHIT! I hate that phrase. It takes two people to form a relationship, but only one to end one, and the other person may have no choice, say or influence in that decision. People's true nature often isn't immediately obvious, and is only exposed over time or in adversity. | |||
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"I have to say most of the real "players" or "bad boys" I've grown up with, or been friends with, have been depressingly simple narcissists at heart, propping up a fragile ego through the validation of others... treating women like shit because it made them feel powerful. Most of them grow out of it and mature, but the ones who style themselves as "couldn't me tamed" or whatever... well the problem isn't so much that they couldn't be tamed, it's that they offer absolutely nothing if they could. Naturally it's easier to mask that inadequacy with macho posturing and self-mythologising. " Quite. "I'm just like that" and "you should have seen it and known better" rather than "I should take responsibility for myself". It's pathetic. | |||
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"It's interesting because men are often seen as solely to blame when it comes to absent fathers - and to a large extent they are - but there also has to be some responsibility on the part of the women in terms of her choices regarding the man in the first place. " My ex-wife tried her hardest to make me an absent father. I'm more of a lover than a fighter, but there are certain things that I will risk every drop of blood in in a fight for, and in the exceptionally rare occasions I do fight, I fight to win. My children now live with me, and she is legally written out of their lives. | |||
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""Bad boys" have always had a lot of appeal so this isn't a stereotype. I suppose they give off an aura of masculinity and independence that women find attractive. Very few of them can reform and remain that way despite the efforts of women to lock them down to committing. If they can have attention from multiple women, why would they want to?" Perhaps they come to a point in their lives when they want a deeper and more meaningful connection? I think the key thing there is "the efforts of women to lock them down to committing"...hell, I'd be out of there quicker than a scalded cat if I thought someone just saw me as a challenge or a prize to be won! I've only ever had relationships where things have happened naturally and mutually, I don't believe that it can be forced, no matter how much one person wants it, the same as "searching" for love | |||
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""Bad boys" have always had a lot of appeal so this isn't a stereotype. I suppose they give off an aura of masculinity and independence that women find attractive. Very few of them can reform and remain that way despite the efforts of women to lock them down to committing. If they can have attention from multiple women, why would they want to? Perhaps they come to a point in their lives when they want a deeper and more meaningful connection? I think the key thing there is "the efforts of women to lock them down to committing"...hell, I'd be out of there quicker than a scalded cat if I thought someone just saw me as a challenge or a prize to be won! I've only ever had relationships where things have happened naturally and mutually, I don't believe that it can be forced, no matter how much one person wants it, the same as "searching" for love" Certainly a possibility and I believe some genuinely do. I'll agree that relationships can't be forced and what happens should occur naturally with both on the same page . I've seen too many examples of one party hoping to change the other to make things work...which almost always does not. | |||
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" I'll agree that relationships can't be forced and what happens should occur naturally with both on the same page . I've seen too many examples of one party hoping to change the other to make things work...which almost always does not." Agreed. I've several of the "bad boys" friends who have settled down and are extremely happy, it's about it being the right time and place for both parties. All that being said, I'm not sure that bad boys do have the appeal for my generation and younger that they once did. I think nowadays the compassionate, slightly dorky sort is held in higher regards, not the motorcycle leather clad man of a bygone era. | |||
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"It takes two to tango. BULLSHIT! I hate that phrase. It takes two people to form a relationship, but only one to end one, and the other person may have no choice, say or influence in that decision. People's true nature often isn't immediately obvious, and is only exposed over time or in adversity." Very true I speak from experience | |||
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" I'll agree that relationships can't be forced and what happens should occur naturally with both on the same page . I've seen too many examples of one party hoping to change the other to make things work...which almost always does not. Agreed. I've several of the "bad boys" friends who have settled down and are extremely happy, it's about it being the right time and place for both parties. All that being said, I'm not sure that bad boys do have the appeal for my generation and younger that they once did. I think nowadays the compassionate, slightly dorky sort is held in higher regards, not the motorcycle leather clad man of a bygone era." The superheroes in films these days are mainly geeks ! | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc... You’re so wrong.....! Well then, I stand corrected, but care to enlighten me further?" For me I would not want to have a challenge of ‘settling him down’. Too much like hard work and if the guy isn’t a settling down type then why try to change him. You have the complete wrong idea about women full stop! | |||
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"It takes two to tango. BULLSHIT! I hate that phrase. It takes two people to form a relationship, but only one to end one, and the other person may have no choice, say or influence in that decision. People's true nature often isn't immediately obvious, and is only exposed over time or in adversity. Very true I speak from experience " Same. | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc... You’re so wrong.....! Well then, I stand corrected, but care to enlighten me further? For me I would not want to have a challenge of ‘settling him down’. Too much like hard work and if the guy isn’t a settling down type then why try to change him. You have the complete wrong idea about women full stop! " OK, well I said 'I wonder', and now I don't. So, thanks for that. | |||
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" I'll agree that relationships can't be forced and what happens should occur naturally with both on the same page . I've seen too many examples of one party hoping to change the other to make things work...which almost always does not. Agreed. I've several of the "bad boys" friends who have settled down and are extremely happy, it's about it being the right time and place for both parties. All that being said, I'm not sure that bad boys do have the appeal for my generation and younger that they once did. I think nowadays the compassionate, slightly dorky sort is held in higher regards, not the motorcycle leather clad man of a bygone era." That's interesting, because I was thinking about women under 30 when I 'wondered' about this earlier. I think you're right - the parameters of what is attractive can change from generation to generation. | |||
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"Crikey, this has got a bit serious for what I'd thought would be a light hearted thread. " It's fab. What did you expect? | |||
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"Crikey, this has got a bit serious for what I'd thought would be a light hearted thread. It's fab. What did you expect? " Yep, people certainly do get excited here. | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes?" Where are these erm attentive gentlemanly ‘types’ OP pray tell. | |||
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"I have to say most of the real "players" or "bad boys" I've grown up with, or been friends with, have been depressingly simple narcissists at heart, propping up a fragile ego through the validation of others... treating women like shit because it made them feel powerful. Most of them grow out of it and mature, but the ones who style themselves as "couldn't me tamed" or whatever... well the problem isn't so much that they couldn't be tamed, it's that they offer absolutely nothing if they could. Naturally it's easier to mask that inadequacy with macho posturing and self-mythologising. " Absolutely spot on In my experience "players" = "utter arseholes" | |||
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"After reading poster's comments and much deliberation and consideration I've decided to it's no longer Doc it's Mr Hyde! With that in mind, just bought a pack of Marlboro smokes, white tea shirt, put a down payment on a Hog and purchased a rather nice black leather bikers jacket with tassels all down both sleeves and back which came with a free leather cap adorned with a chrome chain above the cap peak! So, come on ladies, try and change away, but all I promise is it'll br heartache and tab burnt marks on your bedside tables! " Doc you could never be such the character you describe above.... | |||
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"After reading poster's comments and much deliberation and consideration I've decided to it's no longer Doc it's Mr Hyde! With that in mind, just bought a pack of Marlboro smokes, white tea shirt, put a down payment on a Hog and purchased a rather nice black leather bikers jacket with tassels all down both sleeves and back which came with a free leather cap adorned with a chrome chain above the cap peak! So, come on ladies, try and change away, but all I promise is it'll br heartache and tab burnt marks on your bedside tables! Doc you could never be such the character you describe above.... " Is that all yer got! | |||
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"Leathers- tick Motorbike - tick Bad boy attitude and drama - fuck right off Nice msn no matter how he dresses - hello " Yeah, yeah, whatever! | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes?" How about a real nice blend of fake leather clad, smoking, motorcyclist, emotionally intelligent, secure, communication aficionado, takes care of their physical, mental and spiritual well being, attentive, gentlemanly type. Am I asking too much? | |||
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" With that in mind, just bought a pack of Marlboro smokes, white tea shirt, put a down payment on a Hog and purchased a rather nice black leather bikers jacket with tassels all down both sleeves and back which came with a free leather cap adorned with a chrome chain above the cap peak! " In the outfit you describe, I don't think it's ladies you'll be the bad boy for! | |||
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"It is a style/culture/fashion thing. The media pushes the bad boy image as one that should be found attractive, mix that in with the confidence that is critical to be a bad boy and you have a combo that will appeal to women (in general tastes will always vary). The confidence is all about the energy that they give out. Gentlemen can be confident, but it's a different energy. It's a calmer more subtle energy that while appealing is not something what will demand attraction. " Only took an hour! Quite disappointed, people! | |||
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"I like gentle souls who make me laugh. Bad guys are over rated to be honest." I've got a crate of Perry! | |||
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"I like gentle souls who make me laugh. Bad guys are over rated to be honest. I've got a crate of Perry! " I’m not that easy | |||
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"I like gentle souls who make me laugh. Bad guys are over rated to be honest. I've got a crate of Perry! I’m not that easy " It's the expensive stuff, in glass bottles! | |||
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"I like gentle souls who make me laugh. Bad guys are over rated to be honest. I've got a crate of Perry! I’m not that easy It's the expensive stuff, in glass bottles! " Oh hang on, I’m wavering! | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes? How about a real nice blend of fake leather clad, smoking, motorcyclist, emotionally intelligent, secure, communication aficionado, takes care of their physical, mental and spiritual well being, attentive, gentlemanly type. Am I asking too much? " Yes very high expectations | |||
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"Gentlemen can be confident, but it's a different energy. It's a calmer more subtle energy that while appealing is not something what will demand attraction. " I like to think of myself as a gentleman, and my lady friends would I think describe me as such also. For lots of reasons, and in lots of areas, I do lack self confidence. I wouldn't consider myself boring, but externally that could be an aura I project in everyday life. Perhaps, safe or steady? But in the boudoir of carnal delights I'm very different. Once a lady has invited me into her lair, she'll soon discover that I'm far from boring, and far more confident than expected. Still a gentleman, but there is a streak there thats bad, in a good way. | |||
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"That type of man can be exciting...they can also be very attentive and gentlemanly. Even "players" fall in love if they meet the right person And that I wonder may be part of the attraction / challenge for female. I'll be the one to settle him down etc..." That will only lead to disappointment, as you fall in love with that free spirit and then you try and change them, they become the person you want them to be and then you realise that’s not what you want or they don’t change and that ‘free spirit’ wears thin. Any which way it ends in tears! | |||
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"I'm so grateful for birth control that's never failed me right now. So profoundly grateful " Lol. Some of these comments from the men are yikes and to me shooting themselves in the foot but none my business | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes? No! Not here Guess that's because you're a lady of choice. " Probably, yes | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes?" Wellll....as you can see, I am both!! | |||
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"I AM the love 'em and leave 'em guy! " I've suddenly turned bi-curious!!! | |||
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"#fakenews" Oh, come on.....you love 'em, don't be fakenews yourself. | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes?" You been watching 1950s James Dean,Marlon Brando type movies | |||
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""Bad boys" have always had a lot of appeal so this isn't a stereotype. I suppose they give off an aura of masculinity and independence that women find attractive. Very few of them can reform and remain that way despite the efforts of women to lock them down to committing. If they can have attention from multiple women, why would they want to? Well, several girls I went to school with were left holding the babies of these guys. Often, the men never to be heard form again in any meaningful way. It's interesting because men are often seen as solely to blame when it comes to absent fathers - and to a large extent they are - but there also has to be some responsibility on the part of the women in terms of her choices regarding the man in the first place. " Yes, quite right ladies. Get a hold of yourselves and stop falling in LOVE!!! | |||
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"It takes two to tango. BULLSHIT! I hate that phrase. It takes two people to form a relationship, but only one to end one, and the other person may have no choice, say or influence in that decision. People's true nature often isn't immediately obvious, and is only exposed over time or in adversity." Oh BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO....give the man his award now!! Succinctly put!! | |||
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"It's interesting because men are often seen as solely to blame when it comes to absent fathers - and to a large extent they are - but there also has to be some responsibility on the part of the women in terms of her choices regarding the man in the first place. My ex-wife tried her hardest to make me an absent father. I'm more of a lover than a fighter, but there are certain things that I will risk every drop of blood in in a fight for, and in the exceptionally rare occasions I do fight, I fight to win. My children now live with me, and she is legally written out of their lives." I am still standing, clapping and cheering from the other statement!!!!! | |||
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"As for absentee parenting, I've known dads on both sides... ones who have walked away from kids because they wanted to fuck about and be bad boys, and ones who've had to fight for access because of an acrimonious break up. To a man, the ones who choose their own freedom to "play" over a significant involvement in their children's lives have been utter cunts on some level. They may be charming or whatever, but they are pathetic." This, about the men who walk away.....anyone know women who have done this? How do they feel? Do they feel guilt? Regret? Happiness at the freedom? | |||
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"Gentlemen can be confident, but it's a different energy. It's a calmer more subtle energy that while appealing is not something what will demand attraction. I like to think of myself as a gentleman, and my lady friends would I think describe me as such also. For lots of reasons, and in lots of areas, I do lack self confidence. I wouldn't consider myself boring, but externally that could be an aura I project in everyday life. Perhaps, safe or steady? But in the boudoir of carnal delights I'm very different. Once a lady has invited me into her lair, she'll soon discover that I'm far from boring, and far more confident than expected. Still a gentleman, but there is a streak there thats bad, in a good way." I think I need to report a case of identity theft!! | |||
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"Gents as well obviously If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad, smoking, motor cyclists types rather then the attentive gentlemanly types. Yes?" I've been asleep, did we accidentally go back to 1930? Women (lovely ladies) aren't a homogenous group. Some will, some won't and some are aghast at the silliness of the question. As you were. | |||
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"Quick reality check about bikes and leathers Drive 150+ miles in the winter. Take your helmet off and there are two slug trails emenating from you nose. Theres a grey patch from eyebrows to upper lip. Cos the rain is that fine stuff thats not heavy enough to get blown from the visor. So you have had the visor up half way and the crap from the cars is ingrained in your skin. Your eyes are red from the fine rain stinging them. You are cold. You cant quite stand up straight for a while. Theres a bruise on your forehead cos you hopped behind a tree in a layby for an urgent piss and the bloody waterproof manufacturers have never worn their garments in anger and the zip stops 6 inches from the groin and you have headbutted the tree. Then it comes to disrobing. Taking soggy leathers off is a fight. Round one. The boots, most are velcro and zips but your real bad boy will use ex german army para boots. Laces are fused in a mass then theres the unlacing with still frozen fingers. Round 2. Jacket, this has sucked in every drop of moisture it can possibly hold. Its heavy and sticks to everything. Round three. The trousers. These by design are snug fit. Great sights as you wriggle on the floor like a catterpillar trying to get these soggy thing off. Then when you do finally remove them. The dye has leached onto your skin. Knees to mid thigh a sort of blue black tone. And where the water rolls off the back of the tank. Your pride and joy is again bluey black colour. By the time you have driven the miles. Got frozen. Your man junk had ascended into your abdomen. Got slug trails and off colour flesh. You cant straighten up. Chances of procreation have dropped to 0% Fantasy vs reality " God, I feel like running you a hot bath and whipping up a hot choccy. | |||
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"Quick reality check about bikes and leathers Drive 150+ miles in the winter. Take your helmet off and there are two slug trails emenating from you nose. Theres a grey patch from eyebrows to upper lip. Cos the rain is that fine stuff thats not heavy enough to get blown from the visor. So you have had the visor up half way and the crap from the cars is ingrained in your skin. Your eyes are red from the fine rain stinging them. You are cold. You cant quite stand up straight for a while. Theres a bruise on your forehead cos you hopped behind a tree in a layby for an urgent piss and the bloody waterproof manufacturers have never worn their garments in anger and the zip stops 6 inches from the groin and you have headbutted the tree. Then it comes to disrobing. Taking soggy leathers off is a fight. Round one. The boots, most are velcro and zips but your real bad boy will use ex german army para boots. Laces are fused in a mass then theres the unlacing with still frozen fingers. Round 2. Jacket, this has sucked in every drop of moisture it can possibly hold. Its heavy and sticks to everything. Round three. The trousers. These by design are snug fit. Great sights as you wriggle on the floor like a catterpillar trying to get these soggy thing off. Then when you do finally remove them. The dye has leached onto your skin. Knees to mid thigh a sort of blue black tone. And where the water rolls off the back of the tank. Your pride and joy is again bluey black colour. By the time you have driven the miles. Got frozen. Your man junk had ascended into your abdomen. Got slug trails and off colour flesh. You cant straighten up. Chances of procreation have dropped to 0% Fantasy vs reality God, I feel like running you a hot bath and whipping up a hot choccy. " | |||
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"If we're led to believe it by the media, you lovely ladies much prefer the love 'em and leave 'em, leather clad [...] types" Quite the opposite, based on my personal experience. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 05/12/20 20:02:12]" What have I created, thought it'd be just a giggle thread! Changing my name to Doc Frankenstein? | |||
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