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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

I'm religious

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To some, creation is proof.

To others, evolution is proof.

It comes down to faith and what we choose to believe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why "

God knows!

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

To me religion is like road traffic rules and regulations.

- it's there to guide us to be safe, for ourselves and for others as well.

- it is different from one place to another and shouldn't be the reason to start a fight over it

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

There could be 100,000 churches and ir still wouldn't prove a thing - what you have to ask is what the overall congregation of those churches is that go week in week out - I don't know but my guess it will be a small percentage of the population overall

Ultimately though it is about faith and whether someone holds it (regardless of the religion followed) - personally I don't have faith in any religion, but I completely respect anyone that does - if that faith supports their emotional well being and informs their beliefs then good for them - so long as they don't try to force it on me, or use it to justify hatred and bigotry it's fine by me.

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By *he AmbassadorMan
over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

It all just boils down to the simple fact that most of us are terrified of death.

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind,,

We spend our whole lives living to a code of a book (in Christians case) written by men who hated or feared women 2000+ years ago, compiled by the Roman senate some 360 years after the crucifixion and rewritten at least 3 times since at the whim of popes and Kings, all so so can get tru the pearly Gates, while not really followinglung it's teachings at all,,

Religion is nuts, organised religion (the church) the longest con job running ever,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oooh, a topic that gets be excited,

Churches are social media and big corporates ancestors, they thrived on instilling the beginning and end of earth and your life including everything you did in between birth and death. The founding and grounding of a social, moral and even ethical way of life that made you dependant on the church for fear of being summoned to hell, so much so that you would financially support them, farm their land, rent their property, pay or die labouring to construct their buildings of worship and fight in their wars.

10k churches would have been packed to high heaven 70 years ago, now they’re disused and being flogged off cheap.

The one thing that is positive they do is provide sanctuary and a sense of belonging to those that have a void and for that you can’t really fault them.

As long as it isn’t preached each to their own

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By *ly-FoxMan
over a year ago

mobile

I was brought up as a Jehovahs witness.

One day I learnt that every year, the bible is the no.1 selling book world wide.

Religion is a business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

"

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

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By *he AmbassadorMan
over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God "
but you don't need Religion to believe in God,

Religion is man made

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By *ly-FoxMan
over a year ago

mobile


"I was brought up as a Jehovahs witness.

One day I learnt that every year, the bible is the no.1 selling book world wide.

Religion is a business. "

However, I do believe that church is a community, and the one thing I miss, is being part of a congregation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God but you don't need Religion to believe in God,

Religion is man made"

Most stuff people believe now a days (hellfire, trinity, immortality of the soul) all originated from pagan Babylon.

These have all progressed over time to create the many different religions we have today.

But if you trace them all backwards, they all have the same begining:

God made the earth

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By *he AmbassadorMan
over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God but you don't need Religion to believe in God,

Religion is man made

Most stuff people believe now a days (hellfire, trinity, immortality of the soul) all originated from pagan Babylon.

These have all progressed over time to create the many different religions we have today.

But if you trace them all backwards, they all have the same begining:

God made the earth"
but the God you speak of didn't hit the story books until thousands of years after tribes and people believed in fire earth ice etc etc God's,

So did today's god act like a big commercial business and buy out the other gods so they could consolidate and trade under the 1 name

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We went from a sophisticated and educated Roman Empire 2000 years ago who were by and large pagan and probably more advanced than civilisation in the 1600’s into the complete dark ages overnight because Christianity was forcefully rolled across the empire and progressively the world to take over land and power. Religion is the source and fuel of war and misery.

Who knows how advanced we’d be if that never happened!!

You don’t need religion to have Belief in a creator and live a moral or ethical standard of life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God but you don't need Religion to believe in God,

Religion is man made

Most stuff people believe now a days (hellfire, trinity, immortality of the soul) all originated from pagan Babylon.

These have all progressed over time to create the many different religions we have today.

But if you trace them all backwards, they all have the same begining:

God made the earth but the God you speak of didn't hit the story books until thousands of years after tribes and people believed in fire earth ice etc etc God's,

So did today's god act like a big commercial business and buy out the other gods so they could consolidate and trade under the 1 name "

Just because God didn't hit the story books doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Evolution teaches us that over time everything we see originated from one source.

A fish became a lizard, a lizard a mammal, monkeys became us. Why has this stopped? Why hasn't it continued?

You can look at a piece of dirt for a millennium and it will still be a piece of dirt, it won't evolve into anything.

What about the flowers? Did a rose stop growing as a rose and miraculously start growing as a tulip the next day as other roses grew as roses?

The animals, how does a freshly hatched young bird know to fly thousands of miles to migrate? Evolution can not answer animal instinct.

It all points to once source, a creator, God

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

How many people believing something makes that thing credible?

There are an increasing number of people who believe the Earth is flat. At what point are there enough people to mean there is something in it?

The answer is that it's got nothing to do with numbers of believers. Either the Earth is spherical or it isn't. Science will tell us whether it is or not.

So too with religion. I don't care how many churches there are in this country or around the world. Until somebody provides a shred of evidence we shouldn't treat God claims as anything more than idle speculation.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God "

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with something coming from nothing. That's a question for physics not biology. Evolution is an explanation for the diversity of life.

I suggest you read a book about evolution if you haven't already. There is tons of evidence for it and no evidence for a god. There good books by Jerry Coyle and Richard Dawkins I would recommend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until somebody provides a shred of evidence we shouldn't treat God claims as anything more than idle speculation. "

You don't think the universe, the sun, planets all moving around the sun, stars, our earth, the fact earth tilts on a perfect degree so that 1 degree either side could either freeze us to death or burn us to death, the ozone, the animals, oxygen cycle, DNA, photosynthesis, animal instinct doesn't count as evidence?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with something coming from nothing. That's a question for physics not biology. Evolution is an explanation for the diversity of life.

I suggest you read a book about evolution if you haven't already. There is tons of evidence for it and no evidence for a god. There good books by Jerry Coyle and Richard Dawkins I would recommend. "

Evolution though taught in schools as facts has always been a theory!

Creationism is also a theory as not one of us was there in the beginning to witness how we got here!

So that is 2 theories!

The FACT is that we do exist, hence we must have got here somehow!

So it is upto each individual to do their own research on both options to decide what they believe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why "

Which religion are the 10,000 churches?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The bible is a good read but so was Harry Potter,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a Catholic that had to attend church 3 times a week until school leaving age, I've always believed that there is a 'greater being'.

But equally over the following years I've wondered if what I was taught was in fact the oldest and biggest con job ever carried out? Not for the usual 'God doesn't exist', or 'evolution created man, not God' reasons,but we're taught from the outset that God represents good, and the devil represents evil. Everything in our lives stems from that basic principal, but what if God was in fact a con artist and convinced people from the start of that principal? When in fact it was the devil that was good and God actually evil?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a Catholic that had to attend church 3 times a week until school leaving age, I've always believed that there is a 'greater being'.

But equally over the following years I've wondered if what I was taught was in fact the oldest and biggest con job ever carried out? Not for the usual 'God doesn't exist', or 'evolution created man, not God' reasons,but we're taught from the outset that God represents good, and the devil represents evil. Everything in our lives stems from that basic principal, but what if God was in fact a con artist and convinced people from the start of that principal? When in fact it was the devil that was good and God actually evil?"

The greatest trick the Devil accomplished was to convince mankind he didn't exist

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By *umstibleMan
over a year ago

Colindale


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with something coming from nothing. That's a question for physics not biology. Evolution is an explanation for the diversity of life.

I suggest you read a book about evolution if you haven't already. There is tons of evidence for it and no evidence for a god. There good books by Jerry Coyle and Richard Dawkins I would recommend.

Evolution though taught in schools as facts has always been a theory!

Creationism is also a theory as not one of us was there in the beginning to witness how we got here!

So that is 2 theories!

The FACT is that we do exist, hence we must have got here somehow!

So it is upto each individual to do their own research on both options to decide what they believe!

"

This is terrible logic

1. Evolution is a theory that has been proven more times then any other 'theory', put together lol

Imagine we have more knowledge on evolution then we do on any other branch of science, almost, combined.

The reason why it is still called 'theory' rather then 'the laws of evolution' is because there are a lot still to discover and learn. An example will be alien life, if we discovered alien life that also followed the pattern and theory of evolution, it will then be universal like the laws of thermodynamics and will be accepted as law.

Please do not share scientific opinion unless you are at least slightly familiar with the subject, you can be very misleading. If for example, you had said that to a child who knows no better, they may take your word for it.

Science doesn't make claims lady's and gentleman, science examines the data and comes up with the maths to explain the DATA it has.

if and when new data is found, the explanation is revised according to the new data. If the data however proves the earlier explanation, then this builds trust in the theory and it starts to become widely accepted. For example, the theory of evolution. Proven time and time again, hence why it is widely accepted as FACT.

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why "

Yes but mainstream denomination Churches are depleting in numbers as the decades go on. Providing great fodder for Weatherspoons or luxury house conversions. Therefore does this mean there's less in it that there used to be?

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By *umstibleMan
over a year ago

Colindale


"

The greatest trick the Devil accomplished was to convince mankind he didn't exist"

According to all abrahamic religions, god is the creator of the devil, knowingly, willingly, purposefully created the devil.

According to some religions, the devil is an old god that is jealous of the new gods.

According to some religions the devil or satan is neither an angel not a god but just a manifestation of the evils of our reality.

Truth be told, as an atheist, it always baffles me to see all of the unfairness and unkindness in the world (most not even caused by mankind) and to see some have faith in a sky person they have never seen and his or her messengers that they have also never seen who are spoken of in books, and this is a good one, that WERE NOT EVEN WRITTEN AT THE TIME OF THESE PEOPLE BUT WAAY WAAY AFTER lol.

Its like if i said i had a cousin who walked on water, would you believe me? No

But you believe in someone supposedly being able to do this 2000 odd years ago?

Hold science down for lack of proof or explanation but never hold god to the same standards?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I don't believe in God.

However I believe that having faith and love is a good thing.

Faith means to me the belief in love, family and friendship, being a decent person living by certain standards ( honesty, trustworthy, law-abiding, hardworking, loving and caring) this doesn't make me religious it means that I have faith in humanity something that is and has been tested with the events of this year.

If people have similar beliefs but want to include the presence of God I am not going to knock them if it comfort's them and gives them hope at times when it feels like all hope is lost is that really so bad?

Where religion goes wrong is when it goes from being a peaceful comforting thing to a fanatical closed minded dangerous thing.

Fanatical religious groups are far more dangerous to world peace than any despot dictatorship or power crazed businesses.

Religion has been at the heart of most war's for centuries and has probably caused more deaths than the black death and Spanish flu combined.

So no I don't believe in God, I don't believe religion should be forced on anyone but I do believe in peace and love x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its like if i said i had a cousin who walked on water, would you believe me? No"

David Blaine did it

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


"It all just boils down to the simple fact that most of us are terrified of death.

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind,,

We spend our whole lives living to a code of a book (in Christians case) written by men who hated or feared women 2000+ years ago, compiled by the Roman senate some 360 years after the crucifixion and rewritten at least 3 times since at the whim of popes and Kings, all so so can get tru the pearly Gates, while not really followinglung it's teachings at all,,

Religion is nuts, organised religion (the church) the longest con job running ever, "

I love when people try to analyse a religion or faith with thier own logic

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why

Which religion are the 10,000 churches?"

Don't know don't care I just want proof about holy ghosts and spirits that they taught me about in schools and why in court you put your hand on a Bible that's got no proof ....

If I say I've got a 16" cock you ladies want proof.

If you say there's a place you go when you fall off the perch where's the proof ????

Come on its 2020 not 1720

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't believe in God.

However I believe that having faith and love is a good thing.

Faith means to me the belief in love, family and friendship, being a decent person living by certain standards ( honesty, trustworthy, law-abiding, hardworking, loving and caring) this doesn't make me religious it means that I have faith in humanity something that is and has been tested with the events of this year.

If people have similar beliefs but want to include the presence of God I am not going to knock them if it comfort's them and gives them hope at times when it feels like all hope is lost is that really so bad?

Where religion goes wrong is when it goes from being a peaceful comforting thing to a fanatical closed minded dangerous thing.

Fanatical religious groups are far more dangerous to world peace than any despot dictatorship or power crazed businesses.

Religion has been at the heart of most war's for centuries and has probably caused more deaths than the black death and Spanish flu combined.

So no I don't believe in God, I don't believe religion should be forced on anyone but I do believe in peace and love x"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Oh and by the way there's some great replies with no boring attempts at humour .. maybe a few religious people on board .

Bless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's been a couple replies to my comments, just a quick post by me to say I'm not wanting to discus further.

I can get very opinionated on subjects close to me and i think it best I keep these thoughts to myself.

I made a mistake last night commenting on this thread when I was d*unk lol, I should have left it be.

Didnt want you to think I'm ignoring you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why

Which religion are the 10,000 churches?

Don't know don't care I just want proof about holy ghosts and spirits that they taught me about in schools and why in court you put your hand on a Bible that's got no proof ....

If I say I've got a 16" cock you ladies want proof.

If you say there's a place you go when you fall off the perch where's the proof ????

Come on its 2020 not 1720 "

Why do you need proof? If they believe it that's their choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've seen religion discussed on other sites and it normally deteriorates into insults.

It's nice to see on this one people discussing it without the insults and with some interesting points.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God but you don't need Religion to believe in God,

Religion is man made

Most stuff people believe now a days (hellfire, trinity, immortality of the soul) all originated from pagan Babylon.

These have all progressed over time to create the many different religions we have today.

But if you trace them all backwards, they all have the same begining:

God made the earth but the God you speak of didn't hit the story books until thousands of years after tribes and people believed in fire earth ice etc etc God's,

So did today's god act like a big commercial business and buy out the other gods so they could consolidate and trade under the 1 name

Just because God didn't hit the story books doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Evolution teaches us that over time everything we see originated from one source.

A fish became a lizard, a lizard a mammal, monkeys became us. Why has this stopped? Why hasn't it continued?

You can look at a piece of dirt for a millennium and it will still be a piece of dirt, it won't evolve into anything.

What about the flowers? Did a rose stop growing as a rose and miraculously start growing as a tulip the next day as other roses grew as roses?

The animals, how does a freshly hatched young bird know to fly thousands of miles to migrate? Evolution can not answer animal instinct.

It all points to once source, a creator, God"

Evolution hasn't stopped. You're just looking for something now that took millions of years to occur.

Want a simple example?

Covid 19.

Or did God create that?

A

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why

Which religion are the 10,000 churches?

Don't know don't care I just want proof about holy ghosts and spirits that they taught me about in schools and why in court you put your hand on a Bible that's got no proof ....

If I say I've got a 16" cock you ladies want proof.

If you say there's a place you go when you fall off the perch where's the proof ????

Come on its 2020 not 1720

Why do you need proof? If they believe it that's their choice. "

Absolutely agree.

And let's be honest given how large percent of the population act like spoilt children.

Let's say suddenly god did appear and was able to talk to everyone on the planet at same time proving undeniably his existence.

They would probably tell him that"you can't tell me what to do can't take away my freedoms etc..."

So simply put even with proof they would probably carry on with their selfish attitude.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

For the world to work the way most people want it to there has to be something that keeps people "in their place", something that encourages people to endure or even enjoy being part of society where the majority work together in order to keep the minority in power and wealthy. The most effective tool so far has been religion. Not God or whatever you want to name the spiritual part of human nature but the organisations and structures that have grown up around that concept or being.

Most of us are too busy getting by to be too concerned about it but we're nearly all part of it.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I personally don’t believe in the Devine being theory.

Don’t get me wrong I’ll be praying to every god I can remember when my planes on fire and falling.

Religion came about because mankind couldn’t accept death was the end. It scared them.

People with a bit of wit realised they could exploit that fear and created religions to control people.

Over the years the more successful leaders came to the fore. Having a charismatic man wander about the Middle East two thousand years ago gave it a great boost.

Jesus existed but things like the fish and loaves sharing are just exaggerated over time into miracles. There was probably only half a dozen there at the time.

There is some evidence that when Jesus rode into Jerusalem it was another six months before he was executed not a week. Turns out his political agitating may have lead to his execution.

I envy people who have faith as it comforts them so I’m happy for them. I only object when they try to impose their beliefs on others.

Catholics and Protestants burned at the stake if they didn’t believe one book over the other. Girls in the Middle East refused an education. Jehovah’s not allowing children to be medically treated. It’s just ridiculous. If you believe God provides then why doesn’t he also provide the brains to work on medicine and help cure your child.

So enjoy your beliefs just don’t tell me I’m wrong when I say science says when your dead your dead! Sadly.

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By *umstibleMan
over a year ago

Colindale


"Its like if i said i had a cousin who walked on water, would you believe me? No

David Blaine did it "

Exactly and i see no churches in his name lol

But then again, maybe in a couple hundred years, because thats how it seems to work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why

Which religion are the 10,000 churches?

Don't know don't care I just want proof about holy ghosts and spirits that they taught me about in schools and why in court you put your hand on a Bible that's got no proof ....

If I say I've got a 16" cock you ladies want proof.

If you say there's a place you go when you fall off the perch where's the proof ????

Come on its 2020 not 1720

Why do you need proof? If they believe it that's their choice.

Absolutely agree.

And let's be honest given how large percent of the population act like spoilt children.

Let's say suddenly god did appear and was able to talk to everyone on the planet at same time proving undeniably his existence.

They would probably tell him that"you can't tell me what to do can't take away my freedoms etc..."

So simply put even with proof they would probably carry on with their selfish attitude."

That's so true!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can anyone prove any religion?

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By *ohnny2006Man
over a year ago

worcester


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why "

The thing with the scientific method is that it teaches you facts about reality it doesn't teach you how you should act in response to them.

ALL human beings gravitate towards an ideal and with religion that is symbolised with god, something we aspire to be. Like the most self actualised we could be. Hence the term 'sin' which is a latin archery term for 'missing the mark' which means to not live up to that ideal.

When we started rejecting religion Nietzsche said 'we killed god' and that a horrific tyranny would replace it in the 20th century. He was right, we adopted Nazism and Communism and 100's of millions of people died.

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By *ohnny2006Man
over a year ago

worcester


"Can anyone prove any religion? "

How do you define proof? Such a question misunderstands what religion is. In its own context it's undeniably true it is simply evolutionary psychology.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Can anyone prove any religion? "

The proof of religion is in front of us in the shape of places of worship and congregations. It's what the religions represent that people seem to want proof of unless they have "faith".

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By *umstibleMan
over a year ago

Colindale


"Can anyone prove any religion?

How do you define proof? Such a question misunderstands what religion is. In its own context it's undeniably true it is simply evolutionary psychology."

Your answer is the definition of origin to all belief systems and religions. Maybe even some governing laws etc but the answer to that question.

I.e, if you believe a certain claim in a certain book, can you or someone else prove this claim?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But there just books great story books like Harry Potter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t make Harry Potter real does it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blaise Pascal, 17th century French philosopher, argues that it is in one's best interest to believe in the existence of God, as it is a rational assumption and does no harm, and the possibility of eternal punishment in hell outweighs any advantage of believing otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But there just books great story books like Harry Potter "

Why do you read Harry Potter books?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t just using it a a reference like spot the dog books or any non fiction book.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God "

The beliefs are not mutually incompatible. I’m exploring integral spirituality that explains the evolution of consciousness and how the church has evolved and can continue to evolve beyond modern and post modern vies of religion. It also explores the mystical aspects experientially. The three faces of God, inner, intimate and infinite can all be experienced and apprehended through it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had me facts hard core facts that anyone from any religious references was real or did what the books said they did...

You can’t so there for who is to say it was true or not, if people want to believe in this then good for them, but until I’m shown then it will always be a story

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God "

So what's God made out of!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

So what's God made out of! "

Cheesecake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I personally don’t believe in the Devine being theory.

Don’t get me wrong I’ll be praying to every god I can remember when my planes on fire and falling.

Religion came about because mankind couldn’t accept death was the end. It scared them.

People with a bit of wit realised they could exploit that fear and created religions to control people.

Over the years the more successful leaders came to the fore. Having a charismatic man wander about the Middle East two thousand years ago gave it a great boost.

Jesus existed but things like the fish and loaves sharing are just exaggerated over time into miracles. There was probably only half a dozen there at the time.

There is some evidence that when Jesus rode into Jerusalem it was another six months before he was executed not a week. Turns out his political agitating may have lead to his execution.

I envy people who have faith as it comforts them so I’m happy for them. I only object when they try to impose their beliefs on others.

Catholics and Protestants burned at the stake if they didn’t believe one book over the other. Girls in the Middle East refused an education. Jehovah’s not allowing children to be medically treated. It’s just ridiculous. If you believe God provides then why doesn’t he also provide the brains to work on medicine and help cure your child.

So enjoy your beliefs just don’t tell me I’m wrong when I say science says when your dead your dead! Sadly. "

Science can now be used to test ‘spiritual’ experiences and altered states of consciousness. The science of understanding God is evolving too.

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By *umstibleMan
over a year ago

Colindale


"Blaise Pascal, 17th century French philosopher, argues that it is in one's best interest to believe in the existence of God, as it is a rational assumption and does no harm, and the possibility of eternal punishment in hell outweighs any advantage of believing otherwise. "

Turning god into a roll of a dice gamble deminishes everything god stands for. According to that same logic.

If your scared of hell fire, why pray to the man who put you on the road to it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why "

Means nothing. Look at the sheer numbers of Trump devotees. Or Hitler.

Doesn't mean they are/were any less despicable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And the fact the Big Bang theory can and has been proven so has evolution and the dinosaurs if god made man 1st then what were the dinosaurs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

So what's God made out of! "

Final comment by a thread lurker

This is why some don't believe in God.

We had a beginning (born), we have an end (death). Everything we see has a beginning and an end.

Our brains can't comprehend that God had no beginning, he's always been there (as per my beliefs)

Just like we can't comprehend that the universe has no end, it carries on into eternity. Our brains can't comprehend this either.

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By *ily Con CarneTV/TS
over a year ago

Cornwall

As a child I was told that I was a gift from god ... weird how that same god lets' thousands of his "gifts" die every day... innit ... and where was this "god" when I was being abused by a group of Jehovah followers when I was a child ...".. they call it faith...... it's nonsense, if you had evidence you wouldn't need "faith ... this is the 21st century people

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

I think if there is a higher being whatever it’s more likely they dropped two chemicals in a Petri dish & left the rest to chance, wandering off around the cosmos to do it several billion times over.

The rest is man made religion & I don’t believe in religion.

S

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

So what's God made out of!

Cheesecake "

Quantum physics could probably confirm that!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Makes you wonder if there's 10,000 churches in the UK alone there must be something in it even though there's no proof and I got fought about ghosts in school again with no proof and swear in bibles in court with no proof .

Why

Which religion are the 10,000 churches?

Don't know don't care I just want proof about holy ghosts and spirits that they taught me about in schools and why in court you put your hand on a Bible that's got no proof ....

If I say I've got a 16" cock you ladies want proof.

If you say there's a place you go when you fall off the perch where's the proof ????

Come on its 2020 not 1720

Why do you need proof? If they believe it that's their choice. "

So why teach stuff in schools and set the law by it ..it's not asking much for proof and that's why you need proof or don't do it .

If your can't understand this then why should people shove religion with no proof down your throat at places like schools and court

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had me facts hard core facts that anyone from any religious references was real or did what the books said they did...

You can’t so there for who is to say it was true or not, if people want to believe in this then good for them, but until I’m shown then it will always be a story "

I don’t think anything in the Bible can be seen as factual and it is not in any sense absolute truth. From my perspective, it is interpretative in the sense it was written from the explanatory worldview of the writers at those times. It is also metaphorical and analogical, as many of the stories are metaphors for deeper truths. It is inconsistent, because different authors are coming from different perspectives and developmental stages and using analogies to explain things in ways people at that time might understand. It is set within the predominant evolutionary worldview of that time and needs to be read from that perspective.

However it is a way to begin to appreciate how views of God in the Judeo-Christian traditions evolved during the writing of the various books.

No doubt, the same could be said for other sacred scripts too, albeit I haven’t done anything make more than cursory references to them while studying other things.

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By *ohnny2006Man
over a year ago

worcester


"Can anyone prove any religion?

How do you define proof? Such a question misunderstands what religion is. In its own context it's undeniably true it is simply evolutionary psychology.

Your answer is the definition of origin to all belief systems and religions. Maybe even some governing laws etc but the answer to that question.

I.e, if you believe a certain claim in a certain book, can you or someone else prove this claim?"

Okay let me give you an example of a biblical claim that is true.

"For to every one who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. — Matthew 25:29"

This is a description of how trajectories work. This is true say on your career. You start doing well and more opportunities present themselves. You gradually advance then suddenly you advance a lot in a short space of time. The exact same thing occurs in the opposite direction.

It's also how your car behaves when it goes wrong. There is a slight knocking noise that goes on few a while and then suddenly it breaks and no longer works. Or how stars die. It is literally a divine truth that seems to apply to everything.

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By *estinyIsAllCouple
over a year ago

Staffordshire


"

Just like we can't comprehend that the universe has no end, it carries on into eternity. Our brains can't comprehend this either. "

But on the flip side of this, people can't comprehend that we came from nothing just by fluke. The questions are infinite - "but who created the original particles that collided?" being one of them. Most people need an answer to that and as such "God" was created.

I like this topic, there's loopholes in every argument from every side. The sad truth is we won't know in our lifetimes and most likely never will in human existence. We need to figure out space travel and exploration of the universe to get more answers.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Spiritual belief and religion of all kinds.. There are more than 1000 religions... Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Shinto, Taoism to name a few... There are questions that thankfully the great gods of amazon, Microsoft, Google, twitter and apple are not able to answer. Long may that continue. If it provides comfort, inspiration, community, belonging, guidance, aspiration, joy to people. Why does it cause other people such issues?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Spiritual belief and religion of all kinds.. There are more than 1000 religions... Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Shinto, Taoism to name a few... There are questions that thankfully the great gods of amazon, Microsoft, Google, twitter and apple are not able to answer. Long may that continue. If it provides comfort, inspiration, community, belonging, guidance, aspiration, joy to people. Why does it cause other people such issues? "

Because too many religions and people of faith tell other people what to do and how to act. Why should a woman cover her head in a place of worship? Why should a baby be baptised when it has no choice over the matter?

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By *ily Con CarneTV/TS
over a year ago

Cornwall

oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite

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By *umstibleMan
over a year ago

Colindale


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite "

This plus the fact that god, has it to be real, would be the one that gave you the illness in the first place.

Its like stockholm syndrome where your in love with your captive

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By *estinyIsAllCouple
over a year ago

Staffordshire


"If your can't understand this then why should people shove religion with no proof down your throat at places like schools and court"

I don't think religion is "shoved down your throat" in school or court to be honest. All mainstream religions are taught about in school because they're a valid part of our history - however, I personally believe that History is the subject it should be taught within. Not its own subject like Religious Education/Studies (RE/S).

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By *ohnny2006Man
over a year ago

worcester


"

Just like we can't comprehend that the universe has no end, it carries on into eternity. Our brains can't comprehend this either.

But on the flip side of this, people can't comprehend that we came from nothing just by fluke. The questions are infinite - "but who created the original particles that collided?" being one of them. Most people need an answer to that and as such "God" was created.

I like this topic, there's loopholes in every argument from every side. The sad truth is we won't know in our lifetimes and most likely never will in human existence. We need to figure out space travel and exploration of the universe to get more answers."

I think the problem is that you are trying to 'prove' something scientifically that isn't scientific! Religion is about how humans function mentally. How certain behaviours are explained or how actions lead to consequences.

BUT if you do want to explore this from the purely scientific you need to start the question where it starts and that isn't belief in god. It is belief in the self. So a more apt question would be:

"Do you believe you have free will?"

If you answer yes then you believe you are more than the physical sum of your parts, you believe you are more than just nature and nurture. It means you believe in the soul.

And form a purely biological perspective we have no free will but from a quantum perspective we do.

Because in the quantum world atoms exist in a state of quantum probability occupying multiple physical locations simultaneously. They only appear at a fixed point when they are observed.

Since we are made of atoms what part of you is the observer? Is that the soul? What else would you call it? It certainly makes the case for free will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite "

It's very arrogant you think that by praying you can change the will of God...

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By *ohnny2006Man
over a year ago

worcester


"If your can't understand this then why should people shove religion with no proof down your throat at places like schools and court

I don't think religion is "shoved down your throat" in school or court to be honest. All mainstream religions are taught about in school because they're a valid part of our history - however, I personally believe that History is the subject it should be taught within. Not its own subject like Religious Education/Studies (RE/S). "

I used to think that back in the day. But I think history and religion are two different subjects. It would take too long to do them simultaneously. Look at the conversation we are all having? It's not history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite

This plus the fact that god, has it to be real, would be the one that gave you the illness in the first place.

Its like stockholm syndrome where your in love with your captive "

Aarrrgggg I can't keep off this thread haha.

I believe the Bible, creation, Adam + Eve etc

Adam + Eve were created perfect, they would not die.

They only grew old and died because they sinned and ate the fruit that they shouldn't have.

If they didn't eat the fruit, they would not have died

Growing old and dying was not God's original purpose, it was the devil who messed everything up by tempting Eve.

God did not create the problems we have, it's a result of what happened.

However, God's original purpose has not changed. There are Bible prophecies about God doing away with death and wickedness again and transforming the Earth back to a paradise like he originated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite

This plus the fact that god, has it to be real, would be the one that gave you the illness in the first place.

Its like stockholm syndrome where your in love with your captive

Aarrrgggg I can't keep off this thread haha.

I believe the Bible, creation, Adam + Eve etc

Adam + Eve were created perfect, they would not die.

They only grew old and died because they sinned and ate the fruit that they shouldn't have.

If they didn't eat the fruit, they would not have died

Growing old and dying was not God's original purpose, it was the devil who messed everything up by tempting Eve.

God did not create the problems we have, it's a result of what happened.

However, God's original purpose has not changed. There are Bible prophecies about God doing away with death and wickedness again and transforming the Earth back to a paradise like he originated "

Why did God create the devil? Or the fruit... He doesn't seem very nice.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite "

I don't think it's either very kind or necessary to be offensive about people s beliefs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite

This plus the fact that god, has it to be real, would be the one that gave you the illness in the first place.

Its like stockholm syndrome where your in love with your captive

Aarrrgggg I can't keep off this thread haha.

I believe the Bible, creation, Adam + Eve etc

Adam + Eve were created perfect, they would not die.

They only grew old and died because they sinned and ate the fruit that they shouldn't have.

If they didn't eat the fruit, they would not have died

Growing old and dying was not God's original purpose, it was the devil who messed everything up by tempting Eve.

God did not create the problems we have, it's a result of what happened.

However, God's original purpose has not changed. There are Bible prophecies about God doing away with death and wickedness again and transforming the Earth back to a paradise like he originated

Why did God create the devil? Or the fruit... He doesn't seem very nice."

The Devil was an angel who grew jealous of God.

The Devil wanted people to worship him.

Man was created with free will, the fruit was a test of obedience for all God had done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please don't think I'm preaching. I'm just answering questions and explaining what I believe.

I'd never try and force this stuff on others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's about 30000 different versions of Christianity in the world at the moment. They each believe they have the 'correct' version and method of teaching god. Plus all the versions of of all the other religions.

There have been countless other versions all claiming the same thing.

Of course every single one is correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah not a fan of fairytales

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Spiritual belief and religion of all kinds.. There are more than 1000 religions... Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Shinto, Taoism to name a few... There are questions that thankfully the great gods of amazon, Microsoft, Google, twitter and apple are not able to answer. Long may that continue. If it provides comfort, inspiration, community, belonging, guidance, aspiration, joy to people. Why does it cause other people such issues?

Because too many religions and people of faith tell other people what to do and how to act. Why should a woman cover her head in a place of worship? Why should a baby be baptised when it has no choice over the matter? "

Because the women choose to... And the child, for the same reason they eat what they eat, wear what they wear, go to school, play football, sing choir...

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By *ily Con CarneTV/TS
over a year ago

Cornwall


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite

It's very arrogant you think that by praying you can change the will of God..."
why then why bother praying ? ... 'kin nutjobs

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite

This plus the fact that god, has it to be real, would be the one that gave you the illness in the first place.

Its like stockholm syndrome where your in love with your captive

Aarrrgggg I can't keep off this thread haha.

I believe the Bible, creation, Adam + Eve etc

Adam + Eve were created perfect, they would not die.

They only grew old and died because they sinned and ate the fruit that they shouldn't have.

If they didn't eat the fruit, they would not have died

Growing old and dying was not God's original purpose, it was the devil who messed everything up by tempting Eve.

God did not create the problems we have, it's a result of what happened.

However, God's original purpose has not changed. There are Bible prophecies about God doing away with death and wickedness again and transforming the Earth back to a paradise like he originated

Why did God create the devil? Or the fruit... He doesn't seem very nice.

The Devil was an angel who grew jealous of God.

The Devil wanted people to worship him.

Man was created with free will, the fruit was a test of obedience for all God had done."

If God created angels at the same time (or before) Adam and eve then why isn't it mentioned in the bible?

Seems a convenient plot twist to omit since you're blaming the devil.

I always wondered if someone invented a time machine and popped back, swapped the earliest copy of the bible for a Terry Pratchett book, what the world would be like now?

A

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By *umstibleMan
over a year ago

Colindale


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite

This plus the fact that god, has it to be real, would be the one that gave you the illness in the first place.

Its like stockholm syndrome where your in love with your captive

Aarrrgggg I can't keep off this thread haha.

I believe the Bible, creation, Adam + Eve etc

Adam + Eve were created perfect, they would not die.

They only grew old and died because they sinned and ate the fruit that they shouldn't have.

If they didn't eat the fruit, they would not have died

Growing old and dying was not God's original purpose, it was the devil who messed everything up by tempting Eve.

God did not create the problems we have, it's a result of what happened.

However, God's original purpose has not changed. There are Bible prophecies about God doing away with death and wickedness again and transforming the Earth back to a paradise like he originated

Why did God create the devil? Or the fruit... He doesn't seem very nice."

God being having the power of being omnipotent doesn't really use it all that much.

Knowing an event in advance means your are an accomplice to it taking place should you choose not to intervene.

I recon god is working with the devil to keep us all nice and fucked in a never ending loop of hell fire lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If your can't understand this then why should people shove religion with no proof down your throat at places like schools and court

I don't think religion is "shoved down your throat" in school or court to be honest. All mainstream religions are taught about in school because they're a valid part of our history - however, I personally believe that History is the subject it should be taught within. Not its own subject like Religious Education/Studies (RE/S). "

I went to a school with a saints name.

We said morning prayers to potentially nothing .

We got taught re and it was as far as I can remember cobblers.

In court last year some dosser passes me a Bible before we cracked on.. like what the actual fuck

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"There's about 30000 different versions of Christianity in the world at the moment. They each believe they have the 'correct' version and method of teaching god. Plus all the versions of of all the other religions.

There have been countless other versions all claiming the same thing.

Of course every single one is correct. "

I don't think many of them claim to the exclusion of others to be the single one that is correct. There are some that do. It's not about being correct. It's about belief and faith in something. For those that do.... I'm happy for them. I've been pressured more about blm, or brxit or wear a mask, burn the mask etc than any religions in the last 30 years. Live and let live.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Spiritual belief and religion of all kinds.. There are more than 1000 religions... Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Shinto, Taoism to name a few... There are questions that thankfully the great gods of amazon, Microsoft, Google, twitter and apple are not able to answer. Long may that continue. If it provides comfort, inspiration, community, belonging, guidance, aspiration, joy to people. Why does it cause other people such issues?

Because too many religions and people of faith tell other people what to do and how to act. Why should a woman cover her head in a place of worship? Why should a baby be baptised when it has no choice over the matter?

Because the women choose to... And the child, for the same reason they eat what they eat, wear what they wear, go to school, play football, sing choir...

So you are saying if I want to strut about naked maybe play with myself in a church that's ok because choose too? "

No I'm not saying that at all... Of course it isn't OK to do that.. Or in a shop, or your place of work, or anywhere else that is open to the public as that would be offensive and insensitive and perhaps also illegal and I would wonder if your motives are something other than self expression.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If God created angels at the same time (or before) Adam and eve then why isn't it mentioned in the bible?

Seems a convenient plot twist to omit since you're blaming the devil.

"

The Bible does mention it.

Geneses says about the angels who materialised into human form which brought about flood in Noah's day. Also in Psalms, the gospels, Apostle Paul wrote about them in his letters to the early Christians, Revelations mentions the angels loads.

Likewise the Devil is mentioned throughout the Bible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion is a complicated beast...

Many people fund it a great help to themselves and there is no doubt that various religious grouos carry out many good deeds.

However, a large group of people following a leader can be an attractive proposition and also a threat. Religion can also be about control. This is why so many Kings, Queens, Emperors, etc have made or tried to make themselves head of religions and ban other competing ones.

Wars have been started by religious zealots, just as wars have been started by politicial or ideological zealots. There can be cruelty and kindness with and without religion.

I know people who go to church who are spiteful shits and I know peoole with no interest in religion who shame me with their incredibly generousity with their time and money.

Personally, my church - my beliefs and values are in my heart and mind. I have no need for a set of written rules or to pray. However I respect the rights of others to follow a religion.

Peace and goodwill to all

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Just watch Rowan Atkinson in the devil sketch ....

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"

If God created angels at the same time (or before) Adam and eve then why isn't it mentioned in the bible?

Seems a convenient plot twist to omit since you're blaming the devil.

The Bible does mention it.

Geneses says about the angels who materialised into human form which brought about flood in Noah's day. Also in Psalms, the gospels, Apostle Paul wrote about them in his letters to the early Christians, Revelations mentions the angels loads.

Likewise the Devil is mentioned throughout the Bible

"

Yes. But thrown in after the plot twist you alluded to.

It's like a thriller writer chucking in a previously unmentioned character halfway through a book because there's a gaping hole in the story otherwise.

Just out of interest - who was present at creation to document it so accurately?

A

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch


"

If God created angels at the same time (or before) Adam and eve then why isn't it mentioned in the bible?

Seems a convenient plot twist to omit since you're blaming the devil.

The Bible does mention it.

Geneses says about the angels who materialised into human form which brought about flood in Noah's day. Also in Psalms, the gospels, Apostle Paul wrote about them in his letters to the early Christians, Revelations mentions the angels loads.

Likewise the Devil is mentioned throughout the Bible

"

The devil is barely mentioned in the old testament and not much in the new testament. Even the serpent in the garden of eden wasnt actually "the devil" - the original text says "satan" and means "deceiver" as opposed to "Al Satan" - The Deceiver (Lucifer).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bored of this now lol let’s all eat cake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If God created angels at the same time (or before) Adam and eve then why isn't it mentioned in the bible?

Seems a convenient plot twist to omit since you're blaming the devil.

The Bible does mention it.

Geneses says about the angels who materialised into human form which brought about flood in Noah's day. Also in Psalms, the gospels, Apostle Paul wrote about them in his letters to the early Christians, Revelations mentions the angels loads.

Likewise the Devil is mentioned throughout the Bible

Yes. But thrown in after the plot twist you alluded to.

It's like a thriller writer chucking in a previously unmentioned character halfway through a book because there's a gaping hole in the story otherwise.

Just out of interest - who was present at creation to document it so accurately?

A"

And that's the issue.

It comes down to faith and what we believe.

I believe God inspired faithful men to write the Bible.

Moses wrote the book of Genesis and even includes the genealogy dating back to Adam.

2 Timothy 3:16 - "All scripture is inspired of God"

It comes down to whether we believe the Bible or not.

Some don't.

I do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The devil is barely mentioned in the old testament and not much in the new testament. Even the serpent in the garden of eden wasnt actually "the devil" "

Jesus referred to the Devil as the 'original serpent' and 'the father of the lie' (telling Eve she wouldn't die if she ate the fruit)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you didn't think I was a nutter before, you definitely probably think I am now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What the Hell is going on in here? In God's name, are you behaving yourself Cindi, for Christ's sake?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jesus, can't leave you alone for a minute!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just thought....Is that going to get me kicked off the Forum by the moderators??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What the Hell is going on in here? In God's name, are you behaving yourself Cindi, for Christ's sake?"

Sorry Sir

Time to return to shenanigans and tomfoolery

It's been an interesting discussion here.

I respect everyone's beliefs, and non beliefs.

We are all different, it's what makes us human.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have virtual orgy to attend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What the Hell is going on in here? In God's name, are you behaving yourself Cindi, for Christ's sake?

Sorry Sir

Time to return to shenanigans and tomfoolery

It's been an interesting discussion here.

I respect everyone's beliefs, and non beliefs.

We are all different, it's what makes us human.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have virtual orgy to attend

"

Time for me to get this minx off here. God bless you all.

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall

I believe in santa still, otherwise I won't get any presents

It's a bit the same, people want to believe otherwise they are scarred when the time comes they won't be let in those pearly gates.

For me, it's all a load of nonsense, and probably one of the biggest causes for wars and deaths in human history in all civilisations.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Please don’t think badly if what I’m going to say

Mankind has worshiped several deities and thus a religion was born.

Mankind couldn’t understand that what they experienced was advanced technology, do they believed what they saw was a god..

I am not sure what level of existence we are in, once the body dies perhaps a higher plain of existence does actually exist.

But religious hmmm no I doubt that, I just think it’s technology or things we don’t really understand

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"

If God created angels at the same time (or before) Adam and eve then why isn't it mentioned in the bible?

Seems a convenient plot twist to omit since you're blaming the devil.

The Bible does mention it.

Geneses says about the angels who materialised into human form which brought about flood in Noah's day. Also in Psalms, the gospels, Apostle Paul wrote about them in his letters to the early Christians, Revelations mentions the angels loads.

Likewise the Devil is mentioned throughout the Bible

Yes. But thrown in after the plot twist you alluded to.

It's like a thriller writer chucking in a previously unmentioned character halfway through a book because there's a gaping hole in the story otherwise.

Just out of interest - who was present at creation to document it so accurately?

A

And that's the issue.

It comes down to faith and what we believe.

I believe God inspired faithful men to write the Bible.

Moses wrote the book of Genesis and even includes the genealogy dating back to Adam.

2 Timothy 3:16 - "All scripture is inspired of God"

It comes down to whether we believe the Bible or not.

Some don't.

I do."

It's equally plausible to believe that it was written by people with their own control agenda.

There are older religions. Why are they not true and the bible is?

Anything written by man (or woman of course) can rarely be assumed to be impartial. How many versions of the Bible have been written, each different? Why should one be more believable than the other? If the old testament really was 'the word of God's then why did he suddenly change is position and have the new testament written? Why can't an entirely new version which contradicts the existing one be as valid if someone says 'god told me what to write'?

A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God but you don't need Religion to believe in God,

Religion is man made

Most stuff people believe now a days (hellfire, trinity, immortality of the soul) all originated from pagan Babylon.

These have all progressed over time to create the many different religions we have today.

But if you trace them all backwards, they all have the same begining:

God made the earth but the God you speak of didn't hit the story books until thousands of years after tribes and people believed in fire earth ice etc etc God's,

So did today's god act like a big commercial business and buy out the other gods so they could consolidate and trade under the 1 name

Just because God didn't hit the story books doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Evolution teaches us that over time everything we see originated from one source.

A fish became a lizard, a lizard a mammal, monkeys became us. Why has this stopped? Why hasn't it continued?

You can look at a piece of dirt for a millennium and it will still be a piece of dirt, it won't evolve into anything.

What about the flowers? Did a rose stop growing as a rose and miraculously start growing as a tulip the next day as other roses grew as roses?

The animals, how does a freshly hatched young bird know to fly thousands of miles to migrate? Evolution can not answer animal instinct.

It all points to once source, a creator, God

Evolution hasn't stopped. You're just looking for something now that took millions of years to occur.

Want a simple example?

Covid 19.

Or did God create that?

A"

Wisdom teeth is another example of evolution. Many people don't get them anymore because we haven't needed them since we started cooking our food to soften it thousands of years ago.

(unfortunately that doesn't apply to me and I'm in a lot of pain atm )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had me facts hard core facts that anyone from any religious references was real or did what the books said they did...

You can’t so there for who is to say it was true or not, if people want to believe in this then good for them, but until I’m shown then it will always be a story "

That was my point. People read Harry Potter because they enjoy it. Some 'follow' him and idolise him. It makes them happy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh wait.... I have a terminal illness .. let's look at the power of prayer... if a billion people were to pray for me today ... I'd still have the terminal illness tomorrow, fuck off with yer religious shite

This plus the fact that god, has it to be real, would be the one that gave you the illness in the first place.

Its like stockholm syndrome where your in love with your captive

Aarrrgggg I can't keep off this thread haha.

I believe the Bible, creation, Adam + Eve etc

Adam + Eve were created perfect, they would not die.

They only grew old and died because they sinned and ate the fruit that they shouldn't have.

If they didn't eat the fruit, they would not have died

Growing old and dying was not God's original purpose, it was the devil who messed everything up by tempting Eve.

God did not create the problems we have, it's a result of what happened.

However, God's original purpose has not changed. There are Bible prophecies about God doing away with death and wickedness again and transforming the Earth back to a paradise like he originated

Why did God create the devil? Or the fruit... He doesn't seem very nice.

The Devil was an angel who grew jealous of God.

The Devil wanted people to worship him.

Man was created with free will, the fruit was a test of obedience for all God had done.

If God created angels at the same time (or before) Adam and eve then why isn't it mentioned in the bible?

Seems a convenient plot twist to omit since you're blaming the devil.

I always wondered if someone invented a time machine and popped back, swapped the earliest copy of the bible for a Terry Pratchett book, what the world would be like now?

A"

Someone did. But it wasn't a book it was a disaster movie on Betamax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It all just boils down to the simple fact that most of us are terrified of death.

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind,,

We spend our whole lives living to a code of a book (in Christians case) written by men who hated or feared women 2000+ years ago, compiled by the Roman senate some 360 years after the crucifixion and rewritten at least 3 times since at the whim of popes and Kings, all so so can get tru the pearly Gates, while not really followinglung it's teachings at all,,

Religion is nuts, organised religion (the church) the longest con job running ever, "

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"Had me facts hard core facts that anyone from any religious references was real or did what the books said they did...

You can’t so there for who is to say it was true or not, if people want to believe in this then good for them, but until I’m shown then it will always be a story

That was my point. People read Harry Potter because they enjoy it. Some 'follow' him and idolise him. It makes them happy. "

People can follow or idolise anyone they choose as far as I'm concerned. That harms nobody in general.

Few religions can claim the same and the lengths people go to oppress, dictate to and even kill others in the name of some god or book is what makes me detest it so much.

You wouldnt get away with doing something because 50 shades or the philosophers stone told you to - so why do some think it acceptable to behave in a certain manner due to words in the bible/koran/a.n.other religious text?

A

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Some people believe, some don't.

I don't.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"

If God created angels at the same time (or before) Adam and eve then why isn't it mentioned in the bible?

Seems a convenient plot twist to omit since you're blaming the devil.

The Bible does mention it.

Geneses says about the angels who materialised into human form which brought about flood in Noah's day. Also in Psalms, the gospels, Apostle Paul wrote about them in his letters to the early Christians, Revelations mentions the angels loads.

Likewise the Devil is mentioned throughout the Bible

Yes. But thrown in after the plot twist you alluded to.

It's like a thriller writer chucking in a previously unmentioned character halfway through a book because there's a gaping hole in the story otherwise.

Just out of interest - who was present at creation to document it so accurately?

A

And that's the issue.

It comes down to faith and what we believe.

I believe God inspired faithful men to write the Bible.

Moses wrote the book of Genesis and even includes the genealogy dating back to Adam.

2 Timothy 3:16 - "All scripture is inspired of God"

It comes down to whether we believe the Bible or not.

Some don't.

I do."

Does your belief in genesis dismiss evolution or blend in perfectly

My perspective is evolution as observed negates much that is written about many creator stories

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had me facts hard core facts that anyone from any religious references was real or did what the books said they did...

You can’t so there for who is to say it was true or not, if people want to believe in this then good for them, but until I’m shown then it will always be a story

That was my point. People read Harry Potter because they enjoy it. Some 'follow' him and idolise him. It makes them happy.

People can follow or idolise anyone they choose as far as I'm concerned. That harms nobody in general.

Few religions can claim the same and the lengths people go to oppress, dictate to and even kill others in the name of some god or book is what makes me detest it so much.

You wouldnt get away with doing something because 50 shades or the philosophers stone told you to - so why do some think it acceptable to behave in a certain manner due to words in the bible/koran/a.n.other religious text?

A"

Fair point. I do find it weird that the religious people who I know, are incredibly hateful towards whole groups of people. Racist, homophobic, transphobic etc. In the same breath as 'love everyone, pray for X'.

The new Trump religion is worrying. My American 'Christian' friends love him.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"Had me facts hard core facts that anyone from any religious references was real or did what the books said they did...

You can’t so there for who is to say it was true or not, if people want to believe in this then good for them, but until I’m shown then it will always be a story

That was my point. People read Harry Potter because they enjoy it. Some 'follow' him and idolise him. It makes them happy.

People can follow or idolise anyone they choose as far as I'm concerned. That harms nobody in general.

Few religions can claim the same and the lengths people go to oppress, dictate to and even kill others in the name of some god or book is what makes me detest it so much.

You wouldnt get away with doing something because 50 shades or the philosophers stone told you to - so why do some think it acceptable to behave in a certain manner due to words in the bible/koran/a.n.other religious text?

A

Fair point. I do find it weird that the religious people who I know, are incredibly hateful towards whole groups of people. Racist, homophobic, transphobic etc. In the same breath as 'love everyone, pray for X'.

The new Trump religion is worrying. My American 'Christian' friends love him. "

Can't put enough to that.

A

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Had me facts hard core facts that anyone from any religious references was real or did what the books said they did...

You can’t so there for who is to say it was true or not, if people want to believe in this then good for them, but until I’m shown then it will always be a story

That was my point. People read Harry Potter because they enjoy it. Some 'follow' him and idolise him. It makes them happy.

People can follow or idolise anyone they choose as far as I'm concerned. That harms nobody in general.

Few religions can claim the same and the lengths people go to oppress, dictate to and even kill others in the name of some god or book is what makes me detest it so much.

You wouldnt get away with doing something because 50 shades or the philosophers stone told you to - so why do some think it acceptable to behave in a certain manner due to words in the bible/koran/a.n.other religious text?

A"

But people do things because it's in Harry Potter.... And 50 shades... You only have yo look at the adverts and profiles on this site... Or the Harry Potter wizards conventions...

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"Had me facts hard core facts that anyone from any religious references was real or did what the books said they did...

You can’t so there for who is to say it was true or not, if people want to believe in this then good for them, but until I’m shown then it will always be a story

That was my point. People read Harry Potter because they enjoy it. Some 'follow' him and idolise him. It makes them happy.

People can follow or idolise anyone they choose as far as I'm concerned. That harms nobody in general.

Few religions can claim the same and the lengths people go to oppress, dictate to and even kill others in the name of some god or book is what makes me detest it so much.

You wouldnt get away with doing something because 50 shades or the philosophers stone told you to - so why do some think it acceptable to behave in a certain manner due to words in the bible/koran/a.n.other religious text?

A

But people do things because it's in Harry Potter.... And 50 shades... You only have yo look at the adverts and profiles on this site... Or the Harry Potter wizards conventions... "

But that doesn't include persecution of others, dictating how people lead their lives, harming/killing others, preventing access to contraception/medical treatment, banning segments of society from specific activities etc.

There's a distinct difference.

A

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"Until somebody provides a shred of evidence we shouldn't treat God claims as anything more than idle speculation.

You don't think the universe, the sun, planets all moving around the sun, stars, our earth, the fact earth tilts on a perfect degree so that 1 degree either side could either freeze us to death or burn us to death, the ozone, the animals, oxygen cycle, DNA, photosynthesis, animal instinct doesn't count as evidence? "

No, it's not evidence at all. You can't just point at something and say that it's existence is evidence of how it came to be. Those are two totally different things.

Let me give you an example. I have a pencil on my desk. How did it get there? Did I buy it in a shop? Did I bring it home from work? Did somebody give it to me? Just pointing to it doesn't tell me where it came from. It is evidence for nothing other than it exists. We can look for evidence about how it got there, such as a receipt or a company logo. They would be evidence. But just pointing at the pencil is not evidence of how it ended up there.

What you are saying is you have a hypothesis that everything came from a god. Fine. That's your hypothesis. Interesting. Now, how do we go about finding out whether your hypothesis is correct? You need evidence.

The first thing you need is a demonstration that this god you talk about exists. If the god doesn't exist then it can't be the origin of everything. Your argument for God's existence is that there is a universe, but that explanation requires a god for it to stand up, so it is a circular argument and therefore not logical.

You say God created everything. In what way is that anything other than unfounded speculation? All arguments for the existence of a god that I have heard (and I have heard a lot) involve a lot of unfounded speculation and hypothesis, as well as circular arguments like the one you gave above, and various other fallacious arguments. What nobody ever provides is actual evidence, and that's what takes an explanation from being speculation to having some validity.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with something coming from nothing. That's a question for physics not biology. Evolution is an explanation for the diversity of life.

I suggest you read a book about evolution if you haven't already. There is tons of evidence for it and no evidence for a god. There good books by Jerry Coyle and Richard Dawkins I would recommend.

Evolution though taught in schools as facts has always been a theory!

Creationism is also a theory as not one of us was there in the beginning to witness how we got here!

So that is 2 theories!

The FACT is that we do exist, hence we must have got here somehow!

So it is upto each individual to do their own research on both options to decide what they believe!

"

You need to understand what a scientist means by theory compared with what it means colloquially. When the person on the street says they have a theory, they usually mean a hypothesis - something not proven.

For a scientist to say something is a theory, that means that the highest level of research has been carried out and the highest level of evidence has been provided yo support it. A theory is the highest accolade that can be given to a scientific idea or principle. It has been tested repeatedly and withstands the utmost scrutiny.

Just because the word theory can be used to describe evolution and creationism, do be under any misapprehension that the word means to very different things.

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By *estinyIsAllCouple
over a year ago

Staffordshire


"If your can't understand this then why should people shove religion with no proof down your throat at places like schools and court

I don't think religion is "shoved down your throat" in school or court to be honest. All mainstream religions are taught about in school because they're a valid part of our history - however, I personally believe that History is the subject it should be taught within. Not its own subject like Religious Education/Studies (RE/S).

I went to a school with a saints name.

We said morning prayers to potentially nothing .

We got taught re and it was as far as I can remember cobblers.

In court last year some dosser passes me a Bible before we cracked on.. like what the actual fuck "

But not all schools are like that though, faith schools are and with that the clue tends to be in the name. As for swearing on the bible in court, that's laughable and meaningless to most. "Do you swear as a non-believer in god almighty to swear on the book of his teachings?" "Erm, yeah sure " LOL!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with something coming from nothing. That's a question for physics not biology. Evolution is an explanation for the diversity of life.

I suggest you read a book about evolution if you haven't already. There is tons of evidence for it and no evidence for a god. There good books by Jerry Coyle and Richard Dawkins I would recommend.

Evolution though taught in schools as facts has always been a theory!

Creationism is also a theory as not one of us was there in the beginning to witness how we got here!

So that is 2 theories!

The FACT is that we do exist, hence we must have got here somehow!

So it is upto each individual to do their own research on both options to decide what they believe!

You need to understand what a scientist means by theory compared with what it means colloquially. When the person on the street says they have a theory, they usually mean a hypothesis - something not proven.

For a scientist to say something is a theory, that means that the highest level of research has been carried out and the highest level of evidence has been provided yo support it. A theory is the highest accolade that can be given to a scientific idea or principle. It has been tested repeatedly and withstands the utmost scrutiny.

Just because the word theory can be used to describe evolution and creationism, do be under any misapprehension that the word means to very different things. "

If you remove mans need to feel part of something bigger all the time & remove his want for power religious or otherwise of others & just start with a simple premise which is.

A God created the universe, then went off & did something else.

they are not here now, they have zero interest in us, what we do, whether we live, die, murder or be murdered doesn't interest them in the slightest.

Now look at all the arguments against, Why cancer? why wars? why natural disasters? Why can't religions get on? Why do they steal each others "Special dates".

They all fit.. Some omnipotent being created the big bang, after that they fck'd off never to be seen again.

Everything that came after is evolution.

You can have both if you want.

S

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anyone is interested in looking at all of this stuff from an evolutionary perspective I wholeheartedly recommend Ken Wilber’s work. It is by no means perfect, however it is the most comprehensive theory with sufficient explanatory power to deal with so many of the paradoxes and contradictions when we start questioning existence. Questions like what is the purpose, who am I, what is good, true and beautiful can all be explored through the integral lens that has been his life’s work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anyones interested in looking at this from a creationist point of view I highly recommend you visit the website answersingenesis.org

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By *ud and BryanCouple
over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire


"If anyones interested in looking at this from a creationist point of view I highly recommend you visit the website answersingenesis.org

"

Once read a very interesting article by a scientist who used to believe the theory of evolution, but is now a creationist.

I (Dave) don't actually consider the two theories contradictory.

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch


"

The devil is barely mentioned in the old testament and not much in the new testament. Even the serpent in the garden of eden wasnt actually "the devil"

Jesus referred to the Devil as the 'original serpent' and 'the father of the lie' (telling Eve she wouldn't die if she ate the fruit)"

Oh come on - the new testament writers deliberately plundered the OT and manufactured all sprts of shit. They made jesus biologocally related to king david through Joseph (who theoretically isnt related to jesus) to fulfill the prophecy that the messiah belongs to his line.

They also manifactured a bizarre roman census that never took place to get jesus to Bethlehem as the messiah needed to be born there to fulfill the prophecy of being born in the city of David.

They sure as hell could easily use the new idea of "The Devil" when discussing the old testament.

Jews didnt have a belief in "the devil", or in hell.

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with something coming from nothing. That's a question for physics not biology. Evolution is an explanation for the diversity of life.

I suggest you read a book about evolution if you haven't already. There is tons of evidence for it and no evidence for a god. There good books by Jerry Coyle and Richard Dawkins I would recommend.

Evolution though taught in schools as facts has always been a theory!

Creationism is also a theory as not one of us was there in the beginning to witness how we got here!

So that is 2 theories!

The FACT is that we do exist, hence we must have got here somehow!

So it is upto each individual to do their own research on both options to decide what they believe!

You need to understand what a scientist means by theory compared with what it means colloquially. When the person on the street says they have a theory, they usually mean a hypothesis - something not proven.

For a scientist to say something is a theory, that means that the highest level of research has been carried out and the highest level of evidence has been provided yo support it. A theory is the highest accolade that can be given to a scientific idea or principle. It has been tested repeatedly and withstands the utmost scrutiny.

Just because the word theory can be used to describe evolution and creationism, do be under any misapprehension that the word means to very different things.

If you remove mans need to feel part of something bigger all the time & remove his want for power religious or otherwise of others & just start with a simple premise which is.

A God created the universe, then went off & did something else.

they are not here now, they have zero interest in us, what we do, whether we live, die, murder or be murdered doesn't interest them in the slightest.

Now look at all the arguments against, Why cancer? why wars? why natural disasters? Why can't religions get on? Why do they steal each others "Special dates".

They all fit.. Some omnipotent being created the big bang, after that they fck'd off never to be seen again.

Everything that came after is evolution.

You can have both if you want.

S

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You can be a deist sure but theism is dead theologically speaking. There are no arguments for a theistic god that make any sense

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"If anyones interested in looking at this from a creationist point of view I highly recommend you visit the website answersingenesis.org

Once read a very interesting article by a scientist who used to believe the theory of evolution, but is now a creationist.

I (Dave) don't actually consider the two theories contradictory. "

I do

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


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For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with something coming from nothing. That's a question for physics not biology. Evolution is an explanation for the diversity of life.

I suggest you read a book about evolution if you haven't already. There is tons of evidence for it and no evidence for a god. There good books by Jerry Coyle and Richard Dawkins I would recommend.

Evolution though taught in schools as facts has always been a theory!

Creationism is also a theory as not one of us was there in the beginning to witness how we got here!

So that is 2 theories!

The FACT is that we do exist, hence we must have got here somehow!

So it is upto each individual to do their own research on both options to decide what they believe!

You need to understand what a scientist means by theory compared with what it means colloquially. When the person on the street says they have a theory, they usually mean a hypothesis - something not proven.

For a scientist to say something is a theory, that means that the highest level of research has been carried out and the highest level of evidence has been provided yo support it. A theory is the highest accolade that can be given to a scientific idea or principle. It has been tested repeatedly and withstands the utmost scrutiny.

Just because the word theory can be used to describe evolution and creationism, do be under any misapprehension that the word means to very different things.

If you remove mans need to feel part of something bigger all the time & remove his want for power religious or otherwise of others & just start with a simple premise which is.

A God created the universe, then went off & did something else.

they are not here now, they have zero interest in us, what we do, whether we live, die, murder or be murdered doesn't interest them in the slightest.

Now look at all the arguments against, Why cancer? why wars? why natural disasters? Why can't religions get on? Why do they steal each others "Special dates".

They all fit.. Some omnipotent being created the big bang, after that they fck'd off never to be seen again.

Everything that came after is evolution.

You can have both if you want.

S

You can be a deist sure but theism is dead theologically speaking. There are no arguments for a theistic god that make any sense"

There are no arguments for a theistic god that make any sense...

To you perhaps.. And perhaps to others they make perfect sense. That's the difficulty with not being able to understand others. It's a circle that won't be squared.

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch


"

For religion is for the scared and weak of mind

I'm not scared, I'm not weak of mind.

I just think evolution is a load of bollox. You can't make something out of nothing

Hence I believe in God

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with something coming from nothing. That's a question for physics not biology. Evolution is an explanation for the diversity of life.

I suggest you read a book about evolution if you haven't already. There is tons of evidence for it and no evidence for a god. There good books by Jerry Coyle and Richard Dawkins I would recommend.

Evolution though taught in schools as facts has always been a theory!

Creationism is also a theory as not one of us was there in the beginning to witness how we got here!

So that is 2 theories!

The FACT is that we do exist, hence we must have got here somehow!

So it is upto each individual to do their own research on both options to decide what they believe!

You need to understand what a scientist means by theory compared with what it means colloquially. When the person on the street says they have a theory, they usually mean a hypothesis - something not proven.

For a scientist to say something is a theory, that means that the highest level of research has been carried out and the highest level of evidence has been provided yo support it. A theory is the highest accolade that can be given to a scientific idea or principle. It has been tested repeatedly and withstands the utmost scrutiny.

Just because the word theory can be used to describe evolution and creationism, do be under any misapprehension that the word means to very different things.

If you remove mans need to feel part of something bigger all the time & remove his want for power religious or otherwise of others & just start with a simple premise which is.

A God created the universe, then went off & did something else.

they are not here now, they have zero interest in us, what we do, whether we live, die, murder or be murdered doesn't interest them in the slightest.

Now look at all the arguments against, Why cancer? why wars? why natural disasters? Why can't religions get on? Why do they steal each others "Special dates".

They all fit.. Some omnipotent being created the big bang, after that they fck'd off never to be seen again.

Everything that came after is evolution.

You can have both if you want.

S

You can be a deist sure but theism is dead theologically speaking. There are no arguments for a theistic god that make any sense

There are no arguments for a theistic god that make any sense...

To you perhaps.. And perhaps to others they make perfect sense. That's the difficulty with not being able to understand others. It's a circle that won't be squared.

"

Not to me - i mean objectively. The fact "they make sense to others" doesnt mean they make sense. I do not doubt some people are religious - im just saying the actual philosophical/theological arguments for a theistic god do not survive scrutiny.

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