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I understand why but wish they hadn’t changed it. However, not defecting to Radio 2 to hear it, that’s a step toooooo far.
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"it's quite remarkable.. the offending word is also the word for a northen food delicacy. faggot.. .. its used in an argument between a couple.. its not an anti gay slur.. the lead guitarist in The Pogues was openly gay and he obviously played on the song so had no qualms d"  That and him calling her an old southern slut I think. Either way, compared to some lyrics in music today it's pretty soft | |||
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"it's quite remarkable.. the offending word is also the word for a northen food delicacy. faggot.. .. its used in an argument between a couple.. its not an anti gay slur.. the lead guitarist in The Pogues was openly gay and he obviously played on the song so had no qualms d That and him calling her an old southern slut I think. Either way, compared to some lyrics in music today it's pretty soft"Correct me if I'm wrong, but they don't play uncensored rap etc on radio 1 either? They play radio edits or bleep stuff out. | |||
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"This news has been annual for maybe 10 years. Was it in the Daily Fail?" Beeb posted it today. Not aware of Radio 1 censuring it before but probably belting it out too loud to hear what lyrics were being played. | |||
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"So many older songs have words that are now seen as offensive in today's society. Should they been banned or changed, probably not, its upto each radio station what they play and they each have their own demographic audience. I do find it bizarre as a lot of radio 1s artists have some pretty offensive material and back catalogues. It depends on what people find offensive. It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. " Would that be your view if the song contained the 'N' word? | |||
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"So they're playing a version of the song which doesn't include a homophobic slur. Why is that a big deal?" I consider this a win. *shrug* | |||
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"Best one of this is members of the pouges telling Lawrence fox to f@&% off on twitter for moaning about it and referring to him and his like as herenvolk " "Fuck off you little herrenvolk shite" I hope Shane runs for President of Ireland someday. | |||
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"It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. " Thank god the Blues has no connotations eh  | |||
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"So many older songs have words that are now seen as offensive in today's society. Should they been banned or changed, probably not, its upto each radio station what they play and they each have their own demographic audience. I do find it bizarre as a lot of radio 1s artists have some pretty offensive material and back catalogues. It depends on what people find offensive. It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. Would that be your view if the song contained the 'N' word?" Good point. I understand from the song and the context in which the word is used that it's derogatory and not something you should say to people, similar to if someone used the word in an argument in a play. I suppose though that it could make the word acceptable. Hmm food for thought | |||
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"So many older songs have words that are now seen as offensive in today's society. Should they been banned or changed, probably not, its upto each radio station what they play and they each have their own demographic audience. I do find it bizarre as a lot of radio 1s artists have some pretty offensive material and back catalogues. It depends on what people find offensive. It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. Would that be your view if the song contained the 'N' word?" This song hasn't been banned. Has it? Don't start that talking I could talk all night My mind was sleep walking While I'm putting the world to rights Call careers information Have you got yourself an occupation? Oliver's Army is here to stay Oliver's Army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today There was a Checkpoint Charlie He didn't crack a smile But it's no laughing party When you've been on the murder mile All it takes is one itchy trigger One more widow one less white nigger Oliver's Army is here to stay Oliver's Army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today Hong Kong is up for grabs London is full of Arabs We could be in Palestine Overrun by a Chinese line With the boys from the Mersey and the Thames and the Tyne But there's no danger It's a professional career Though it could be arranged With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear If you're out of luck or out of work We could send you to Johannesburg Oliver's Army is here to stay Oliver's Army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today. | |||
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"So many older songs have words that are now seen as offensive in today's society. Should they been banned or changed, probably not, its upto each radio station what they play and they each have their own demographic audience. I do find it bizarre as a lot of radio 1s artists have some pretty offensive material and back catalogues. It depends on what people find offensive. It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. Would that be your view if the song contained the 'N' word? Good point. I understand from the song and the context in which the word is used that it's derogatory and not something you should say to people, similar to if someone used the word in an argument in a play. I suppose though that it could make the word acceptable. Hmm food for thought" Because something wasn't offensive years ago doesn't mean its not offensive now. Think back to war times, they used to have racist dolls and cartoons. No way that happens now for obvious reasons. Just because something was accepted ages ago doesn't make it acceptable now. | |||
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"So many older songs have words that are now seen as offensive in today's society. Should they been banned or changed, probably not, its upto each radio station what they play and they each have their own demographic audience. I do find it bizarre as a lot of radio 1s artists have some pretty offensive material and back catalogues. It depends on what people find offensive. It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. Would that be your view if the song contained the 'N' word? This song hasn't been banned. Has it? Don't start that talking I could talk all night My mind was sleep walking While I'm putting the world to rights Call careers information Have you got yourself an occupation? Oliver's Army is here to stay Oliver's Army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today There was a Checkpoint Charlie He didn't crack a smile But it's no laughing party When you've been on the murder mile All it takes is one itchy trigger One more widow one less white nigger Oliver's Army is here to stay Oliver's Army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today Hong Kong is up for grabs London is full of Arabs We could be in Palestine Overrun by a Chinese line With the boys from the Mersey and the Thames and the Tyne But there's no danger It's a professional career Though it could be arranged With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear If you're out of luck or out of work We could send you to Johannesburg Oliver's Army is here to stay Oliver's Army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today." Nope but it probably hasn't been played on radio 1 for a long time. | |||
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Apparently those who listen to Radio 2 are older and so don’t give a shit (or it could be they actually understand what the song is about) 
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"So many older songs have words that are now seen as offensive in today's society. Should they been banned or changed, probably not, its upto each radio station what they play and they each have their own demographic audience. I do find it bizarre as a lot of radio 1s artists have some pretty offensive material and back catalogues. It depends on what people find offensive. It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. Would that be your view if the song contained the 'N' word? Good point. I understand from the song and the context in which the word is used that it's derogatory and not something you should say to people, similar to if someone used the word in an argument in a play. I suppose though that it could make the word acceptable. Hmm food for thought Because something wasn't offensive years ago doesn't mean its not offensive now. Think back to war times, they used to have racist dolls and cartoons. No way that happens now for obvious reasons. Just because something was accepted ages ago doesn't make it acceptable now. "
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"You're a bum, you're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead On a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap, lousy faggot Happy Christmas, your arse I pray God it's our last" Thats poetry, its ugly and its real. Thats every d*unken couples row in 8 lines. And Shane put in a christmas song. The Christmas song of the last 30 years. | |||
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"Does intent matter or right to claim offence trump everything. If you're the sensitive sort stop reading or have your fainting couches and smelling salts to hand. You're a bum, you're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead On a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap, lousy faggot Happy Christmas, your arse I pray God it's our last Thats poetry, its ugly and its real. Thats every d*unken couples row in 8 lines. And Shane put in a christmas song. The Christmas song of the last 30 years. " And let's not forget this piece of name calling too, See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup Yeah buddy, that's his own real hair That little faggot got his own jet airplane The little faggot, he's a millionaire Would that have offended Prince Probably "Hey dude I've got TWO lear jets!" | |||
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"Does intent matter or right to claim offence trump everything. If you're the sensitive sort stop reading or have your fainting couches and smelling salts to hand. You're a bum, you're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead On a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap, lousy faggot Happy Christmas, your arse I pray God it's our last Thats poetry, its ugly and its real. Thats every d*unken couples row in 8 lines. And Shane put in a christmas song. The Christmas song of the last 30 years. " And then they make up..... You took my dreams from me When I first found you I kept them with me babe I put them with my own Can't make it all alone I've built my dreams around you Poetry for sure | |||
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"Does intent matter or right to claim offence trump everything. If you're the sensitive sort stop reading or have your fainting couches and smelling salts to hand. You're a bum, you're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead On a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap, lousy faggot Happy Christmas, your arse I pray God it's our last Thats poetry, its ugly and its real. Thats every d*unken couples row in 8 lines. And Shane put in a christmas song. The Christmas song of the last 30 years. And let's not forget this piece of name calling too, See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup Yeah buddy, that's his own real hair That little faggot got his own jet airplane The little faggot, he's a millionaire Would that have offended Prince Probably "Hey dude I've got TWO lear jets!"" And Lou Reeds classic - Walk on the wild side Holly came from Miami, F.L.A. Hitch-hiked her way across the U.S.A. Plucked her eyebrows on the way Shaved her legs and then he was a she She says, "Hey, babe Take a walk on the wild side" Said, "Hey, honey Take a walk on the wild side" | |||
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"Does intent matter or right to claim offence trump everything. If you're the sensitive sort stop reading or have your fainting couches and smelling salts to hand. You're a bum, you're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead On a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap, lousy faggot Happy Christmas, your arse I pray God it's our last Thats poetry, its ugly and its real. Thats every d*unken couples row in 8 lines. And Shane put in a christmas song. The Christmas song of the last 30 years. And let's not forget this piece of name calling too, See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup Yeah buddy, that's his own real hair That little faggot got his own jet airplane The little faggot, he's a millionaire Would that have offended Prince Probably "Hey dude I've got TWO lear jets!" And Lou Reeds classic - Walk on the wild side Holly came from Miami, F.L.A. Hitch-hiked her way across the U.S.A. Plucked her eyebrows on the way Shaved her legs and then he was a she She says, "Hey, babe Take a walk on the wild side" Said, "Hey, honey Take a walk on the wild side" " I loved that lyric, it made me feel my crossdressing was cool and acceptable. I absolutely  Lou Reed | |||
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"Wap" AWFUL song!! I cringed at it | |||
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"So many older songs have words that are now seen as offensive in today's society. Should they been banned or changed, probably not, its upto each radio station what they play and they each have their own demographic audience. I do find it bizarre as a lot of radio 1s artists have some pretty offensive material and back catalogues. It depends on what people find offensive. It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. Would that be your view if the song contained the 'N' word? Good point. I understand from the song and the context in which the word is used that it's derogatory and not something you should say to people, similar to if someone used the word in an argument in a play. I suppose though that it could make the word acceptable. Hmm food for thought Because something wasn't offensive years ago doesn't mean its not offensive now. Think back to war times, they used to have racist dolls and cartoons. No way that happens now for obvious reasons. Just because something was accepted ages ago doesn't make it acceptable now. "Yes I understand that and I think the word was offensive when the song was first released. My point is about context. When is it ok to use an offensive word in a song or a play and how far can we trust people to understand context? | |||
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"I loved that lyric, it made me feel my crossdressing was cool and acceptable. I absolutely Lou Reed "It's like what my painter friend Donald said to me "Stick a fork in their ass and turn them over, they're done" The last great American Whale - Lou Reed | |||
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"I think it's a dangerous path, music is art as is writing and if we are to bleach clean novels about every facet good and bad of us as humans it's painting a dishonest, sanitised myth of us.. " | |||
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"I would argue that it's art and shouldn't be changed. You wouldn't put a bra on the Venus Di Milo, or y-fronts on Michelangelo's David because boobs or dicks might be offensive to some. I don't agree with censoring art." But what if Michelangelo was still alive and decided to cover up David's penis? Would you argue with him and say he can't change his own art? Surely the altered version is still his art and is still just as valid? The censored version of Fairytale has alternative lyrics sung by Kirsty and Shane OK'd the edit. Personally I don't like censoring art either, but if the artist is OK with it, I'm an too. His art, his call. | |||
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"Best one of this is members of the pouges telling Lawrence fox to f@&% off on twitter for moaning about it and referring to him and his like as herenvolk Fuck off you little herrenvolk shite I hope Shane runs for President of Ireland someday." He’s no more Irish than I am | |||
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"I would argue that it's art and shouldn't be changed. You wouldn't put a bra on the Venus Di Milo, or y-fronts on Michelangelo's David because boobs or dicks might be offensive to some. I don't agree with censoring art. But what if Michelangelo was still alive and decided to cover up David's penis? Would you argue with him and say he can't change his own art? Surely the altered version is still his art and is still just as valid? The censored version of Fairytale has alternative lyrics sung by Kirsty and Shane OK'd the edit. Personally I don't like censoring art either, but if the artist is OK with it, I'm an too. His art, his call." I believe that once a work of art is given to the world, it belongs to the people not the artist. | |||
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"... Because something wasn't offensive years ago doesn't mean its not offensive now. Think back to war times, they used to have racist dolls and cartoons. No way that happens now for obvious reasons. Just because something was accepted ages ago doesn't make it acceptable now.
Yes I understand that and I think the word was offensive when the song was first released. My point is about context. When is it ok to use an offensive word in a song or a play and how far can we trust people to understand context? "I find how people are offended by words quite interesting. Personally no words offend me, it's all in context, but I respect that they do offend others so I use words carefully. But words meanings change over time. Words that were not offensive originally have become offensive today due to the way they have been used. Interestingly, words that were offensive have also lost their offensive meaning today because they have lost their offensive context. So when I see people trying to ban offensive words completely, all I can see happening is less people will use them, but they will always be there being used by some and they will keep their power. However, if we decouple them from the offensive context, we weaken them. We make them less powerful and we will them less offensive in time. So stop being offended by words, embrace them and use them in a different context and depower them. | |||
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"So many older songs have words that are now seen as offensive in today's society. Should they been banned or changed, probably not, its upto each radio station what they play and they each have their own demographic audience. I do find it bizarre as a lot of radio 1s artists have some pretty offensive material and back catalogues. It depends on what people find offensive. It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. Would that be your view if the song contained the 'N' word? This song hasn't been banned. Has it? Don't start that talking I could talk all night My mind was sleep walking While I'm putting the world to rights Call careers information Have you got yourself an occupation? Oliver's Army is here to stay Oliver's Army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today There was a Checkpoint Charlie He didn't crack a smile But it's no laughing party When you've been on the murder mile All it takes is one itchy trigger One more widow one less white nigger Oliver's Army is here to stay Oliver's Army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today Hong Kong is up for grabs London is full of Arabs We could be in Palestine Overrun by a Chinese line With the boys from the Mersey and the Thames and the Tyne But there's no danger It's a professional career Though it could be arranged With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear If you're out of luck or out of work We could send you to Johannesburg Oliver's Army is here to stay Oliver's Army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today And I would rather be anywhere else Than here today." tune!!! | |||
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"I would argue that it's art and shouldn't be changed. You wouldn't put a bra on the Venus Di Milo, or y-fronts on Michelangelo's David because boobs or dicks might be offensive to some. I don't agree with censoring art. But what if Michelangelo was still alive and decided to cover up David's penis? Would you argue with him and say he can't change his own art? Surely the altered version is still his art and is still just as valid? The censored version of Fairytale has alternative lyrics sung by Kirsty and Shane OK'd the edit. Personally I don't like censoring art either, but if the artist is OK with it, I'm an too. His art, his call. I believe that once a work of art is given to the world, it belongs to the people not the artist." But which people? The people that want it changed or just those who don't? The people that created it or the people that are playing it?
Either way, it's a silly argument that I could understand it if we lived in the 80s still, but we don't. We live in a time where we can access this song in loads of different ways, edited or unedited.
It's not like Radio One is changing the only version we can hear, if they want to play an edited version and the artist doesn't mind, then let them and listen to it elsewhere. | |||
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"Does intent matter or right to claim offence trump everything. If you're the sensitive sort stop reading or have your fainting couches and smelling salts to hand. You're a bum, you're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead On a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap, lousy faggot Happy Christmas, your arse I pray God it's our last Thats poetry, its ugly and its real. Thats every d*unken couples row in 8 lines. And Shane put in a christmas song. The Christmas song of the last 30 years. And let's not forget this piece of name calling too, See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup Yeah buddy, that's his own real hair That little faggot got his own jet airplane The little faggot, he's a millionaire Would that have offended Prince Probably "Hey dude I've got TWO lear jets!" And Lou Reeds classic - Walk on the wild side Holly came from Miami, F.L.A. Hitch-hiked her way across the U.S.A. Plucked her eyebrows on the way Shaved her legs and then he was a she She says, "Hey, babe Take a walk on the wild side" Said, "Hey, honey Take a walk on the wild side" I loved that lyric, it made me feel my crossdressing was cool and acceptable. I absolutely Lou Reed "another tune!!! | |||
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"I read today that Radio 1 will not be playing the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' by The Pogues, as some of the lyrics "might" offend younger listeners. Given that a fair percentage of younger listeners happily listen to rap etc with far more explicit lyrics I find it somewhat laughable." I am sure something was said about that song last year... It's the use of the word faggot that is being moaned about... Personally I hate faggots... Especially with mushy peas like my mum made em... So yeah... Calling someone a dirty meatball is fairly offensive tbh  | |||
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"I would argue that it's art and shouldn't be changed. You wouldn't put a bra on the Venus Di Milo, or y-fronts on Michelangelo's David because boobs or dicks might be offensive to some. I don't agree with censoring art. But what if Michelangelo was still alive and decided to cover up David's penis? Would you argue with him and say he can't change his own art? Surely the altered version is still his art and is still just as valid? The censored version of Fairytale has alternative lyrics sung by Kirsty and Shane OK'd the edit. Personally I don't like censoring art either, but if the artist is OK with it, I'm an too. His art, his call. I believe that once a work of art is given to the world, it belongs to the people not the artist. But which people? The people that want it changed or just those who don't? The people that created it or the people that are playing it?
Either way, it's a silly argument that I could understand it if we lived in the 80s still, but we don't. We live in a time where we can access this song in loads of different ways, edited or unedited.
It's not like Radio One is changing the only version we can hear, if they want to play an edited version and the artist doesn't mind, then let them and listen to it elsewhere. "Well, by "the people" I mean a majority in a democracy. I suppose I meant in general, that art, in whatever form, shouldn't be changed. We owe history an uncensored view of how we were in this time. I agree, there are many formats of this song and a couple of versions. It doesn't matter if a second version that's not the original is acceptable to some, but the original should not be swept aside and ignored. Like all art, lessons can be learned from it. Also, judging by the Pogues recent lack of major successes, I guess they need the royalties I am a fan, I've seen them live twice and they were something to behold | |||
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"People complain about Christmas songs, but don't mind a song that refers to cups of cyanide, metal piercing skin, etc. Biffy Clyro - black chandelier " I’m not sure that is played to death at Xmas | |||
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"I would argue that it's art and shouldn't be changed. You wouldn't put a bra on the Venus Di Milo, or y-fronts on Michelangelo's David because boobs or dicks might be offensive to some. I don't agree with censoring art. But what if Michelangelo was still alive and decided to cover up David's penis? Would you argue with him and say he can't change his own art? Surely the altered version is still his art and is still just as valid? The censored version of Fairytale has alternative lyrics sung by Kirsty and Shane OK'd the edit. Personally I don't like censoring art either, but if the artist is OK with it, I'm an too. His art, his call. I believe that once a work of art is given to the world, it belongs to the people not the artist. But which people? The people that want it changed or just those who don't? The people that created it or the people that are playing it?
Either way, it's a silly argument that I could understand it if we lived in the 80s still, but we don't. We live in a time where we can access this song in loads of different ways, edited or unedited.
It's not like Radio One is changing the only version we can hear, if they want to play an edited version and the artist doesn't mind, then let them and listen to it elsewhere.
Well, by "the people" I mean a majority in a democracy. I suppose I meant in general, that art, in whatever form, shouldn't be changed. We owe history an uncensored view of how we were in this time. I agree, there are many formats of this song and a couple of versions. It doesn't matter if a second version that's not the original is acceptable to some, but the original should not be swept aside and ignored. Like all art, lessons can be learned from it. Also, judging by the Pogues recent lack of major successes, I guess they need the royalties I am a fan, I've seen them live twice and they were something to behold "I completely agree. I love the original and would prefer to hear that. I wouldn't really say the original is being ignored or swept away as there are so many ways to hear it, and the song will be heard many more times on those platforms than on Radio One. Now if the publisher of the song decided the edited version should be the only version and pulled the original from all platforms, 'then' I would kick up a fuss. But it isn't, this is just one relatively small outlet (8.8m listeners to Spotify's 96m premium subscribers). Oh, it's been reported that Shane makes 1 million in royalties per year from royalties btw | |||
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"To put another way. I enjoy music like The Offspring, Blink 182, Green Day (amongst a hell of a lot more) but I wouldn't expect to hear songs from those artists on mainstream radio with unedited swear words. However if I wish to listen to the "original"/non radio edit, I can do that by buying the "caution explicit lyrics" version of the album/single etc. Obviously the artists intended for the unedited version to be The Version, but they also seem to recognise a need for the radio edits to get the music played in the very public sphere of radio. And we all know Auntie has been perhaps over cautious in its decisions. The word faggot does not offend me personally, very little in the way of language does, but the fact is that the word is used in an abusive sense to certain people and it's used in the "you cheap nasty faggot" sense. Yes, we all know faggots are also a type of food. A bitch is a female dog, but if someone shouts at me in the street "you stupid bitch", I'm confident they aren't saying I'm an unintelligent dog. They are using the word, in that context, as an insult and I'd be rightly unhappy about it. Yes, lots of songs from the past are either perhaps very outdated or may now include language that is no longer considered appropriate for the general public sphere. E.g the chairman of the FA recently used the (outdated) term coloured to refer to players of BAME heritage. He was rightly taken to task. He wouldn't have been 20 or 30 years ago for the same phrase. Use of language changes over time. I don't think any of us had used the term "social distancing" until about 17th March 2020, but now it's in every second sentence." What offends one person is perfectly reasonable to another. If we don’t get on with someone then fine, we are all just trying to survive. Nothing offends me but I feel sorry for people who get offended by things. It doesn’t change anything | |||
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" What offends one person is perfectly reasonable to another. If we don’t get on with someone then fine, we are all just trying to survive. Nothing offends me but I feel sorry for people who get offended by things. It doesn’t change anything " I think if you were persecuted for who you are, for something that is fundamentally who you are, and that abuse was through the medium of language, then it would be unnatural for you to be unoffended. I've never been abused verbally about anything fundamental apart from a few girls at school who called me a slag because I was pregnant in fifth form. I'd be lying if I say I wasn't offended, but I knew I wouldn't be a 16yr old mother forever. Abuse about my age as a parent would stop. However, if that abuse was about my race, my sexuality, my disability etc, then that abuse might never stop. I can't change those fundamental things about myself so it would only be natural for prolonged and repeated verbal attacks to cause offence. I personally am offended when I try and get into a public building or shop in my wheelchair but am prevented from doing so due to lack of step-free access. At the same time I'm sat seething outside, the able bodied person next to me is running up the steps and thinks "what the fuck is that stupid woman upset about". Until you find yourself in the discriminated party, it can be hard to understand. | |||
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" What offends one person is perfectly reasonable to another. If we don’t get on with someone then fine, we are all just trying to survive. Nothing offends me but I feel sorry for people who get offended by things. It doesn’t change anything I think if you were persecuted for who you are, for something that is fundamentally who you are, and that abuse was through the medium of language, then it would be unnatural for you to be unoffended. I've never been abused verbally about anything fundamental apart from a few girls at school who called me a slag because I was pregnant in fifth form. I'd be lying if I say I wasn't offended, but I knew I wouldn't be a 16yr old mother forever. Abuse about my age as a parent would stop. However, if that abuse was about my race, my sexuality, my disability etc, then that abuse might never stop. I can't change those fundamental things about myself so it would only be natural for prolonged and repeated verbal attacks to cause offence. I personally am offended when I try and get into a public building or shop in my wheelchair but am prevented from doing so due to lack of step-free access. At the same time I'm sat seething outside, the able bodied person next to me is running up the steps and thinks "what the fuck is that stupid woman upset about". Until you find yourself in the discriminated party, it can be hard to understand." Of course, that’s what I was trying to say. I have always and will always be me. That’s hard enough, I’m nice to people and try and understand other points of view but I haven’t lived anyone else’s life. So I feel sorry for people who are or feel discriminated I can’t change them as I can only change me. Life isn’t a fairytale. It’s harsh | |||
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" What offends one person is perfectly reasonable to another. If we don’t get on with someone then fine, we are all just trying to survive. Nothing offends me but I feel sorry for people who get offended by things. It doesn’t change anything I think if you were persecuted for who you are, for something that is fundamentally who you are, and that abuse was through the medium of language, then it would be unnatural for you to be unoffended. I've never been abused verbally about anything fundamental apart from a few girls at school who called me a slag because I was pregnant in fifth form. I'd be lying if I say I wasn't offended, but I knew I wouldn't be a 16yr old mother forever. Abuse about my age as a parent would stop. However, if that abuse was about my race, my sexuality, my disability etc, then that abuse might never stop. I can't change those fundamental things about myself so it would only be natural for prolonged and repeated verbal attacks to cause offence. I personally am offended when I try and get into a public building or shop in my wheelchair but am prevented from doing so due to lack of step-free access. At the same time I'm sat seething outside, the able bodied person next to me is running up the steps and thinks "what the fuck is that stupid woman upset about". Until you find yourself in the discriminated party, it can be hard to understand. Of course, that’s what I was trying to say. I have always and will always be me. That’s hard enough, I’m nice to people and try and understand other points of view but I haven’t lived anyone else’s life. So I feel sorry for people who are or feel discriminated I can’t change them as I can only change me. Life isn’t a fairytale. It’s harsh " But you can change the discrimination other people experience by not being part of it, by enacting change etc. That's how we make progress. We're improving the public perception of mental health problems, for example. Why? Because people challenged the status quo. In the access example, you might not be inconvenienced by steps, but loads of people are. If it was left up to the discriminated party (usually a minority) to have to force change on their own, against the tide, then nothing would change. Better treatment of the LGBTQ community has been supported by non LGBTQ people. I'm not in the LGBTQ community and so will not experience abuse due to that, but I'd damn well intervene if I witnessed homophobic abuse. Be the change. It won't happen by being wallflowers. | |||
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"So many older songs have words that are now seen as offensive in today's society. Should they been banned or changed, probably not, its upto each radio station what they play and they each have their own demographic audience. I do find it bizarre as a lot of radio 1s artists have some pretty offensive material and back catalogues. It depends on what people find offensive. It's a song at the end of the day and if it offends you they don't listen to it or find another station. Would that be your view if the song contained the 'N' word? Good point. I understand from the song and the context in which the word is used that it's derogatory and not something you should say to people, similar to if someone used the word in an argument in a play. I suppose though that it could make the word acceptable. Hmm food for thought Because something wasn't offensive years ago doesn't mean its not offensive now. Think back to war times, they used to have racist dolls and cartoons. No way that happens now for obvious reasons. Just because something was accepted ages ago doesn't make it acceptable now.
Yes I understand that and I think the word was offensive when the song was first released. My point is about context. When is it ok to use an offensive word in a song or a play and how far can we trust people to understand context? "My thoughts exactly.. Context is everything!! Does anyone remember the dude who was prosecuted for teaching his dog to react to nazi salutes?? He did this as a joke for a reaction to get views for his YouTube channel. If u watch full video in context any sensible human being would agree.. Out of context it was anti Semitic. This was what he was charged and persecuted for! An out of context joke. Distasteful as it may be. In context it was innocent. After leaving court he was approached by a journalist who said "you were charged and convicted for anti Semitic comments, you said "gas the Jews 23 times". (in a YouTube video) He replied. You just committed a crime. Journalist replied how? You just said " gas the Jews ". Journalist said that was in context of your trial. Context is everything was the reply. This is a generalisation of the context of this interaction. I am assuming that the general public with any sort of intelligence can see how silly his conviction was and realise that although we all have opposing opinions. Doesn't mean we have to hate on each other and create divide. Let's all live and let live. No matter what differences we have. Debate is healthy... | |||
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" What offends one person is perfectly reasonable to another. If we don’t get on with someone then fine, we are all just trying to survive. Nothing offends me but I feel sorry for people who get offended by things. It doesn’t change anything I think if you were persecuted for who you are, for something that is fundamentally who you are, and that abuse was through the medium of language, then it would be unnatural for you to be unoffended. I've never been abused verbally about anything fundamental apart from a few girls at school who called me a slag because I was pregnant in fifth form. I'd be lying if I say I wasn't offended, but I knew I wouldn't be a 16yr old mother forever. Abuse about my age as a parent would stop. However, if that abuse was about my race, my sexuality, my disability etc, then that abuse might never stop. I can't change those fundamental things about myself so it would only be natural for prolonged and repeated verbal attacks to cause offence. I personally am offended when I try and get into a public building or shop in my wheelchair but am prevented from doing so due to lack of step-free access. At the same time I'm sat seething outside, the able bodied person next to me is running up the steps and thinks "what the fuck is that stupid woman upset about". Until you find yourself in the discriminated party, it can be hard to understand. Of course, that’s what I was trying to say. I have always and will always be me. That’s hard enough, I’m nice to people and try and understand other points of view but I haven’t lived anyone else’s life. So I feel sorry for people who are or feel discriminated I can’t change them as I can only change me. Life isn’t a fairytale. It’s harsh But you can change the discrimination other people experience by not being part of it, by enacting change etc. That's how we make progress. We're improving the public perception of mental health problems, for example. Why? Because people challenged the status quo. In the access example, you might not be inconvenienced by steps, but loads of people are. If it was left up to the discriminated party (usually a minority) to have to force change on their own, against the tide, then nothing would change. Better treatment of the LGBTQ community has been supported by non LGBTQ people. I'm not in the LGBTQ community and so will not experience abuse due to that, but I'd damn well intervene if I witnessed homophobic abuse. Be the change. It won't happen by being wallflowers." I’m no wallflower, but I have a story and things that I’m going through. It may not be noticeable by the naked eye but it doesn’t change that I’m struggling. So what’s the answer keep my mouth shut because other people are worse off. It’s a catch 22 life is a struggle for everyone at times | |||
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"I’m well on the fence with this argument. The song was re-recorded to remove the offensive lyrics by the original artists. So if they thought it needed to be updated so be it. However the album it comes from, if I should fall from the grace of god, is a classic and I prefer to listen to the original version, myself. Radio 2 are allowing their presenters to make their own decision to play or not to play those lyrics, so it’s hardly PC gone mad if they’ve still allowing it to be played on the radio, not exactly banned is it. " It wasn't re-recorded but a live version. | |||
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"Will it make anyone's life worse if a slur is changed in a song? Really? Is it really? So the question is will it make someone's life better, and the answer is yes, all the people who have had that word thrown at them at school, or had that word chanted while being beaten up, or even scrawled on thier door. Or even the sly looks at Christmas parties whenever that song comes up and the people you work with lean into that word extra hard. 'but it means a food/a bundle of sticks/ whatever' Yes and it also means to the majority of people hate, and not being welcome or wanted. It's supposed to be a Christmas song for fucks sake, if your idea of Christmas is making people feel not welcome in thier work, or home, or every bloody shop they go in, you need to really think about what Christmas means to you" It would be lovely if everyone could be happy but that’s never going to happen. I try and look at the positives not the negatives. If a song annoys you, then is that going to help you get through life? | |||
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"Will it make anyone's life worse if a slur is changed in a song? Really? Is it really? So the question is will it make someone's life better, and the answer is yes, all the people who have had that word thrown at them at school, or had that word chanted while being beaten up, or even scrawled on thier door. Or even the sly looks at Christmas parties whenever that song comes up and the people you work with lean into that word extra hard. 'but it means a food/a bundle of sticks/ whatever' Yes and it also means to the majority of people hate, and not being welcome or wanted. It's supposed to be a Christmas song for fucks sake, if your idea of Christmas is making people feel not welcome in thier work, or home, or every bloody shop they go in, you need to really think about what Christmas means to you It would be lovely if everyone could be happy but that’s never going to happen. I try and look at the positives not the negatives. If a song annoys you, then is that going to help you get through life? " Honestly the song doesn't bother me, the amount of straight people rushing to defend a slur that a community of people says it bothers them, that boils my piss. And 'bad things happen so we should let bad things happen' is the masterpiece of an arguement you think it is | |||
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"Sorry didn’t mean to offend anyone. I take people the way I find them in life religion, sexual orientation, colour of skin, isn’t important.it’s the person who is. All I’m saying is that if I meet someone new who is complaining about how difficult life is, im going to make my excuses and talk to someone else. " Well you sound a treat. Plus who's doing that? All a group of people are saying is 'using that word makes us feel unsafe'. And all the BBC are doing are listening and responding. | |||
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"Will it make anyone's life worse if a slur is changed in a song? Really? Is it really? So the question is will it make someone's life better, and the answer is yes, all the people who have had that word thrown at them at school, or had that word chanted while being beaten up, or even scrawled on thier door. Or even the sly looks at Christmas parties whenever that song comes up and the people you work with lean into that word extra hard. 'but it means a food/a bundle of sticks/ whatever' Yes and it also means to the majority of people hate, and not being welcome or wanted. It's supposed to be a Christmas song for fucks sake, if your idea of Christmas is making people feel not welcome in thier work, or home, or every bloody shop they go in, you need to really think about what Christmas means to you" you do know an openly gay man performed on the song involved in its creation ? its such a popular Xmas song cos its brutal, beautiful and real | |||
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"I read today that Radio 1 will not be playing the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' by The Pogues, as some of the lyrics "might" offend younger listeners. Given that a fair percentage of younger listeners happily listen to rap etc with far more explicit lyrics I find it somewhat laughable. why now when it as been out all these years I cannot agree more. Rap and grime type music is the most racist and misogynistic of all. Which are censored on the radio. As this song is going to be. Plus there is a differance between members of a community using a word to identify themselves, and non members using it as an insult. I shouldn't have to explain that. And the misogyny?" *sarcasm* Oh you got me there I love misogyny. *Sarcasm* I don't think radio one should have misogyny either. I don't see what your point is. | |||
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"Will it make anyone's life worse if a slur is changed in a song? Really? Is it really? So the question is will it make someone's life better, and the answer is yes, all the people who have had that word thrown at them at school, or had that word chanted while being beaten up, or even scrawled on thier door. Or even the sly looks at Christmas parties whenever that song comes up and the people you work with lean into that word extra hard. 'but it means a food/a bundle of sticks/ whatever' Yes and it also means to the majority of people hate, and not being welcome or wanted. It's supposed to be a Christmas song for fucks sake, if your idea of Christmas is making people feel not welcome in thier work, or home, or every bloody shop they go in, you need to really think about what Christmas means to you you do know an openly gay man performed on the song involved in its creation ? its such a popular Xmas song cos its brutal, beautiful and real " I'm well aware of that - I'm also aware that the band itself have stopped performing it in the way everybody here seems to need. | |||
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"I read today that Radio 1 will not be playing the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' by The Pogues, as some of the lyrics "might" offend younger listeners. Given that a fair percentage of younger listeners happily listen to rap etc with far more explicit lyrics I find it somewhat laughable. why now when it as been out all these years I cannot agree more. Rap and grime type music is the most racist and misogynistic of all. Which are censored on the radio. As this song is going to be. Plus there is a differance between members of a community using a word to identify themselves, and non members using it as an insult. I shouldn't have to explain that. And the misogyny? *sarcasm* Oh you got me there I love misogyny. *Sarcasm* I don't think radio one should have misogyny either. I don't see what your point is. " My point is that picking and choosing what’s offensive and defending others being just as offensive highlights an obvious double standard. I’m out. Night night. | |||
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"I read today that Radio 1 will not be playing the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' by The Pogues, as some of the lyrics "might" offend younger listeners. Given that a fair percentage of younger listeners happily listen to rap etc with far more explicit lyrics I find it somewhat laughable. why now when it as been out all these years I cannot agree more. Rap and grime type music is the most racist and misogynistic of all. Which are censored on the radio. As this song is going to be. Plus there is a differance between members of a community using a word to identify themselves, and non members using it as an insult. I shouldn't have to explain that. And the misogyny? *sarcasm* Oh you got me there I love misogyny. *Sarcasm* I don't think radio one should have misogyny either. I don't see what your point is. My point is that picking and choosing what’s offensive and defending others being just as offensive highlights an obvious double standard. I’m out. Night night. " That’s my point as well. ?? | |||
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"To be honest for the amount of 'straight' guys on here that meesage me I'm suprised there isn't more support for changing the word. " I'm openly bisexual and have absolutely no issue with the original lyrics as I said further up - they're not used in a derogatory way *about* gay people - they're used as part of an argument (the kind of argument you hear on the streets all year round) between two lovers, one male, one female - and in that context I have no issue with them at all. I've never felt uncomfortable with them, in the context they are used, and nor do many gay men I know - this just seems to be something that crops up every year and has done since the 90s when it was first raised as something for the anti-PC brigade to get worked up about just as much as the offended on behalf of the non-offended brigade do and is a pointless argument by both sides in my opinion. As I said further up, am I going to get worked up because Radio 1 aren't playing it, or anyone for that matter? Not in the slightest. Am I equally going to get worked up because it is played in it's original form? Again not in the slightest. There are far bigger fights to be had. And whilst Radio 1 may censor other songs, by continuing to play music by those artists it's arguable they are potentially introducing kids to other tracks by the same artists that are a heck of a lot more offensive than "you scumbag you maggot you cheap lousy faggot" | |||
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"I read today that Radio 1 will not be playing the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' by The Pogues, as some of the lyrics "might" offend younger listeners. Given that a fair percentage of younger listeners happily listen to rap etc with far more explicit lyrics I find it somewhat laughable. why now when it as been out all these years I cannot agree more. Rap and grime type music is the most racist and misogynistic of all. Which are censored on the radio. As this song is going to be. Plus there is a differance between members of a community using a word to identify themselves, and non members using it as an insult. I shouldn't have to explain that. And the misogyny? *sarcasm* Oh you got me there I love misogyny. *Sarcasm* I don't think radio one should have misogyny either. I don't see what your point is. My point is that picking and choosing what’s offensive and defending others being just as offensive highlights an obvious double standard. I’m out. Night night. " No one's picking a choosing, I fully support all female identifying people to call out slurs that make them uncomfortable and feel unsafe and I'd support the BBC if (and when) they do. But I'm not female identifying I'd rather listen and support those voices that are. Meanwhile I have had the word faggot thrown at me, I have had the coworkers that look at me when that song comes on and I have had that word scrawled over my books at school. Ill repeat myself To be honest that song has never bothered me that much. What does bother me is the amount of people rushing to defend the inclusion of that word. It really bother me that don't care when a minority group says 'that hurts us please dont'. That losing one word from a frankly average Christmas song is way way too much to spare somebody pain. | |||
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"I read today that Radio 1 will not be playing the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' by The Pogues, as some of the lyrics "might" offend younger listeners. Given that a fair percentage of younger listeners happily listen to rap etc with far more explicit lyrics I find it somewhat laughable. why now when it as been out all these years I cannot agree more. Rap and grime type music is the most racist and misogynistic of all. Which are censored on the radio. As this song is going to be. Plus there is a differance between members of a community using a word to identify themselves, and non members using it as an insult. I shouldn't have to explain that. And the misogyny? *sarcasm* Oh you got me there I love misogyny. *Sarcasm* I don't think radio one should have misogyny either. I don't see what your point is. My point is that picking and choosing what’s offensive and defending others being just as offensive highlights an obvious double standard. I’m out. Night night. No one's picking a choosing, I fully support all female identifying people to call out slurs that make them uncomfortable and feel unsafe and I'd support the BBC if (and when) they do. But I'm not female identifying I'd rather listen and support those voices that are. Meanwhile I have had the word faggot thrown at me, I have had the coworkers that look at me when that song comes on and I have had that word scrawled over my books at school. Ill repeat myself To be honest that song has never bothered me that much. What does bother me is the amount of people rushing to defend the inclusion of that word. It really bother me that don't care when a minority group says 'that hurts us please dont'. That losing one word from a frankly average Christmas song is way way too much to spare somebody pain. " Danny - my cousin a year between us was always different from me. I didn’t really know why until he moved away to Australia. He had to find himself and thankfully he is now comfortably a gay man until he comes home. I want him to be happy. He never asks if I’m happy because he’s so wrapped up on how people treated him. | |||
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"To be honest for the amount of 'straight' guys on here that meesage me I'm suprised there isn't more support for changing the word. I'm openly bisexual and have absolutely no issue with the original lyrics as I said further up - they're not used in a derogatory way *about* gay people - they're used as part of an argument (the kind of argument you hear on the streets all year round) between two lovers, one male, one female - and in that context I have no issue with them at all. I've never felt uncomfortable with them, in the context they are used, and nor do many gay men I know - this just seems to be something that crops up every year and has done since the 90s when it was first raised as something for the anti-PC brigade to get worked up about just as much as the offended on behalf of the non-offended brigade do and is a pointless argument by both sides in my opinion. As I said further up, am I going to get worked up because Radio 1 aren't playing it, or anyone for that matter? Not in the slightest. Am I equally going to get worked up because it is played in it's original form? Again not in the slightest. There are far bigger fights to be had. And whilst Radio 1 may censor other songs, by continuing to play music by those artists it's arguable they are potentially introducing kids to other tracks by the same artists that are a heck of a lot more offensive than "you scumbag you maggot you cheap lousy faggot" " There's a differance between members of a community using a word to refer to themselves, and people in the context of the song, using a word as an insult. There are bigger fights but if we can't get people to accept changing one word, in one song, only on mainstream radio, what chance do we have of winning them? And let's be honest the pogues back catalogue so that introducing kids to offensive artists doesn't really hold much water. | |||
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" Danny - my cousin a year between us was always different from me. I didn’t really know why until he moved away to Australia. He had to find himself and thankfully he is now comfortably a gay man until he comes home. I want him to be happy. He never asks if I’m happy because he’s so wrapped up on how people treated him. " Errrm I'm sorry your cousin doesn't consider YOUR feelings. It sounds like your problem isn't with censorship, it's with your younger cousin being rude to you? | |||
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" Danny - my cousin a year between us was always different from me. I didn’t really know why until he moved away to Australia. He had to find himself and thankfully he is now comfortably a gay man until he comes home. I want him to be happy. He never asks if I’m happy because he’s so wrapped up on how people treated him. Errrm I'm sorry your cousin doesn't consider YOUR feelings. It sounds like your problem isn't with censorship, it's with your younger cousin being rude to you? " I don’t have a problem, I’m trying to put things into perspective. I’m lucky because I’ve not had to go through stuff like that Danny, alternatively I’m still living my life just like you are yours. | |||
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" Danny - my cousin a year between us was always different from me. I didn’t really know why until he moved away to Australia. He had to find himself and thankfully he is now comfortably a gay man until he comes home. I want him to be happy. He never asks if I’m happy because he’s so wrapped up on how people treated him. Errrm I'm sorry your cousin doesn't consider YOUR feelings. It sounds like your problem isn't with censorship, it's with your younger cousin being rude to you? I don’t have a problem, I’m trying to put things into perspective. I’m lucky because I’ve not had to go through stuff like that Danny, alternatively I’m still living my life just like you are yours. " I doubt that, my cousins love me | |||
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" There's a differance between members of a community using a word to refer to themselves, and people in the context of the song, using a word as an insult. There are bigger fights but if we can't get people to accept changing one word, in one song, only on mainstream radio, what chance do we have of winning them? And let's be honest the pogues back catalogue so that introducing kids to offensive artists doesn't really hold much water. " There's also a difference between the word being used as a derogatory term about a gay man and it being thrown out as an insult in an argument between two lovers (as it is in the song) as I said and in the context of the way it is used in the song I really don't see the issue - it's not like he's just come out to her and she's calling him that, it's an argument between two heterosexual people and as such is just a word used in a gritty realistic way, nothing more. Like I said I'm as bemused by those getting upset by it being censored as I am by those getting offended by it and calling for it to be banned. I'm not in the slightest bit offended by it as I said. You misunderstood me - my comment about introducing kids to back catalogues and other tracks wasn't in reference to The Pogues (whose back catalogue may be gritty but isn't overly offensive) but some of the rap and grime artists whose lyrical content is very questionable in terms of what it promotes | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 20/11/20 01:03:33] He loves me, he just see’s home as horrible difficult times in his life. No one can change that apart from him. " I mean, cool? Not sure what your point is or ever was. Apart from blaming your cousin for being miserable after being abused? Maybe start another thread about your unhappy relatives? | |||
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" There's a differance between members of a community using a word to refer to themselves, and people in the context of the song, using a word as an insult. There are bigger fights but if we can't get people to accept changing one word, in one song, only on mainstream radio, what chance do we have of winning them? And let's be honest the pogues back catalogue so that introducing kids to offensive artists doesn't really hold much water. There's also a difference between the word being used as a derogatory term about a gay man and it being thrown out as an insult in an argument between two lovers (as it is in the song) as I said and in the context of the way it is used in the song I really don't see the issue - it's not like he's just come out to her and she's calling him that, it's an argument between two heterosexual people and as such is just a word used in a gritty realistic way, nothing more. Like I said I'm as bemused by those getting upset by it being censored as I am by those getting offended by it and calling for it to be banned. I'm not in the slightest bit offended by it as I said. You misunderstood me - my comment about introducing kids to back catalogues and other tracks wasn't in reference to The Pogues (whose back catalogue may be gritty but isn't overly offensive) but some of the rap and grime artists whose lyrical content is very questionable in terms of what it promotes " There is no other slur that could replace the one used and it be okay (well maybe 'paddy' or 'mick' and even then if the Irish community complained, it should be edited). So why is it okay to use that one? Yeah sorry, I must have accidentally deleted part of that sentence, but it seems you get the gist. And come on, the pouges are a little more than just 'gritty' but I get your point that some rap and grime artists do promote far worse ethical viewpoints. To address that I'd say, I honestly don't mind, I'd be delighted if my hyperthetical kids got into The Pouges as much as if they got into Wu-tang clan. I was never saying this song shouldn't played on radio because it corrupting to kids. I think the song should as lightly censored as all the other songs on Radio One because members of a minority group have said they don't feel safe when that word is used. I don't want the song deleted, or banned, or the original replaced. I just don't think it's too much to ask to remind people that loudly singing that word is not okay. As not okay as saying any other slur. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 20/11/20 01:03:33] He loves me, he just see’s home as horrible difficult times in his life. No one can change that apart from him. I mean, cool? Not sure what your point is or ever was. Apart from blaming your cousin for being miserable after being abused? Maybe start another thread about your unhappy relatives? Danny my point is we all get offended by different things. I’m trying to be nice and friendly whereas you are being condescending. I’m not offended because you’re getting yourself agitated " Yep your a super nice guy alright | |||
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Everybody is offended by different things sugar x
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Danny, I’m offended by you trying to patronise me.
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"We did this topic at uni Personal choice That's now been erased by Politically correct The most dangerous thing in society it's to have filtered information and to be told you must think how others think. Information and thoughts are being silenced before they even happen.Its a form of brain washing like certain fascist politicians did to take control of the population.Think how we think.Believe what we believe.Act how we act and so on. Yes some comments should be acted on if they are serious enough to warrant action but certain truths are being filtered and you only get a one sided perspective of what's right now and what's wrong now. Politically correctness has erased free speech and personal choice but it's also shown that those forse pc on others to be the biggest hypothetical fascists of all as they only believe there way like no one should have there own views or free speech.You either act say or do as they do or your the bad one. Now doesn't that sound a lot like the fascist dictatorships that have destroyed country's.Caused wars and most of all robbed whole populations of freedom." You are only seeing that how you see it, someone else can perceive the same words differently. I’m not comfortable being told how I should think. It’s democracy and having free speech and a free mind. | |||
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"We did this topic at uni Personal choice That's now been erased by Politically correct The most dangerous thing in society it's to have filtered information and to be told you must think how others think. Information and thoughts are being silenced before they even happen.Its a form of brain washing like certain fascist politicians did to take control of the population.Think how we think.Believe what we believe.Act how we act and so on. Yes some comments should be acted on if they are serious enough to warrant action but certain truths are being filtered and you only get a one sided perspective of what's right now and what's wrong now. Politically correctness has erased free speech and personal choice but it's also shown that those forse pc on others to be the biggest hypothetical fascists of all as they only believe there way like no one should have there own views or free speech.You either act say or do as they do or your the bad one. Now doesn't that sound a lot like the fascist dictatorships that have destroyed country's.Caused wars and most of all robbed whole populations of freedom. You are only seeing that how you see it, someone else can perceive the same words differently. I’m not comfortable being told how I should think. It’s democracy and having free speech and a free mind." I'm not the only one as it's a topic that many can see has gone way to far. As I said if it's something worth acting on then that's just a simple matter of we all should know right from wrong. It's got to the point now that trivial things are being turned into the biggest crimes of the century to add fuel to the fire of the freedom destroyers. You must listen to them tell you they are fighting for freedom for all while there telling you you must think and do what they do. | |||
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"We did this topic at uni Personal choice That's now been erased by Politically correct The most dangerous thing in society it's to have filtered information and to be told you must think how others think. Information and thoughts are being silenced before they even happen.Its a form of brain washing like certain fascist politicians did to take control of the population.Think how we think.Believe what we believe.Act how we act and so on. Yes some comments should be acted on if they are serious enough to warrant action but certain truths are being filtered and you only get a one sided perspective of what's right now and what's wrong now. Politically correctness has erased free speech and personal choice but it's also shown that those forse pc on others to be the biggest hypothetical fascists of all as they only believe there way like no one should have there own views or free speech.You either act say or do as they do or your the bad one. Now doesn't that sound a lot like the fascist dictatorships that have destroyed country's.Caused wars and most of all robbed whole populations of freedom." Have you been reading Jordan Peterson by any chance? You do realise what happens to people with these opinions? Pure fascist evil !! | |||
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"We did this topic at uni Personal choice That's now been erased by Politically correct The most dangerous thing in society it's to have filtered information and to be told you must think how others think. Information and thoughts are being silenced before they even happen.Its a form of brain washing like certain fascist politicians did to take control of the population.Think how we think.Believe what we believe.Act how we act and so on. Yes some comments should be acted on if they are serious enough to warrant action but certain truths are being filtered and you only get a one sided perspective of what's right now and what's wrong now. Politically correctness has erased free speech and personal choice but it's also shown that those forse pc on others to be the biggest hypothetical fascists of all as they only believe there way like no one should have there own views or free speech.You either act say or do as they do or your the bad one. Now doesn't that sound a lot like the fascist dictatorships that have destroyed country's.Caused wars and most of all robbed whole populations of freedom. You are only seeing that how you see it, someone else can perceive the same words differently. I’m not comfortable being told how I should think. It’s democracy and having free speech and a free mind. I'm not the only one as it's a topic that many can see has gone way to far. As I said if it's something worth acting on then that's just a simple matter of we all should know right from wrong. It's got to the point now that trivial things are being turned into the biggest crimes of the century to add fuel to the fire of the freedom destroyers. You must listen to them tell you they are fighting for freedom for all while there telling you you must think and do what they do. " This is bonkers. They've decided to play a version of a song with one homophobic word changed! And you reckon they're destroying freedom!? Hahaha! Fascist dictatorships! That's hilarious
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"We did this topic at uni Personal choice That's now been erased by Politically correct The most dangerous thing in society it's to have filtered information and to be told you must think how others think. Information and thoughts are being silenced before they even happen.Its a form of brain washing like certain fascist politicians did to take control of the population.Think how we think.Believe what we believe.Act how we act and so on. Yes some comments should be acted on if they are serious enough to warrant action but certain truths are being filtered and you only get a one sided perspective of what's right now and what's wrong now. Politically correctness has erased free speech and personal choice but it's also shown that those forse pc on others to be the biggest hypothetical fascists of all as they only believe there way like no one should have there own views or free speech.You either act say or do as they do or your the bad one. Now doesn't that sound a lot like the fascist dictatorships that have destroyed country's.Caused wars and most of all robbed whole populations of freedom. Have you been reading Jordan Peterson by any chance? You do realise what happens to people with these opinions? Pure fascist evil !! Who, lol " supposedly he's an intelligent Canadian guy. Heard joe rogan talk about him. I think!! Lol | |||
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"To be fair, even Kirsty MacColl sang alternative lyrics back in the 90's. This happens every year. It's only come up this year because that racist bellend Laurence Fox has mentioned it on Twitter. Shane Magowan told him to go f**k himself, and rightly so." She replaced it with the word "haggard" though, the shortened version of which is "hag" - an extremely offensive word for women. You could go round in circles all day and still manage to offend somebody. I notice though, that not one gay man on this thread has complained about this song. Not one, and there are plenty on this site. Maybe they don't read the forums, or maybe they just don't feel offended enough to make a big deal out of it? Still, it seems as though many people feel that they should complain on their behalf about something they may just feel is beneath them to care about. Who knows, eh? | |||
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"To be fair, even Kirsty MacColl sang alternative lyrics back in the 90's. This happens every year. It's only come up this year because that racist bellend Laurence Fox has mentioned it on Twitter. Shane Magowan told him to go f**k himself, and rightly so. She replaced it with the word "haggard" though, the shortened version of which is "hag" - an extremely offensive word for women. You could go round in circles all day and still manage to offend somebody. I notice though, that not one gay man on this thread has complained about this song. Not one, and there are plenty on this site. Maybe they don't read the forums, or maybe they just don't feel offended enough to make a big deal out of it? Still, it seems as though many people feel that they should complain on their behalf about something they may just feel is beneath them to care about. Who knows, eh?" True. I would temper that by saying that a lot of people on this thread appear to be upset over it regardless of whether it affects them. If there are some gay people on the planet who are upset by this, which one can safely say is probably the case, then that's reason enough to change it - and none of our/my/your business. Times change, people change, language changes - it literally has zero affect on anyone else so it doesn't matter. If someone is upset by something, we don't get to choose whether it's legitimate offence or not. They do. Using the term 'snowflake' means you're taking away their right to free thought. | |||
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"Radio 1 isn't playing it, radio 2 is and radio 6 DJs have a choice which they play. I'm not saying if it's right or wrong. For everyone using the words woke or snowflake etc and being offended on behalf of others. Do you all actually listen to radio 1? If not aren't you then being offended in behalf of radio listeners which you are not? " I tend to vary my station listening depending on who's presenting, 1,2,4,4extra and up until today Greatest hits (they've started playing Christmas songs today so it's gone off as far too early). The others... 2 goes off when Jeremy Vine and Steve Wright come on air. Same on a Sunday with Steve Wright. | |||
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"MacGowan has been as intelligent and reasonable as I would expect in this, I think the world could take the lead from him on this. He is not and has no need to apologise, however is smart enough to realise that times have changed and people have differing views. For the sake of changing a lyric and stopping someone from becoming the victim of a hate crime, he and the radio station have taken a pretty Sensible stance. He also said that whilst this debate rumbles on, the Gov have quietly removed funding to tackle homophobic bullying in schools.. Perspective is key. " This... | |||
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"it's quite remarkable.. the offending word is also the word for a northen food delicacy. faggot.. .. its used in an argument between a couple.. its not an anti gay slur.. the lead guitarist in The Pogues was openly gay and he obviously played on the song so had no qualms d" It really isn't a gay slur. Talk about unconcious bias. A faggot is a bundle of sticks.... the phrase was an insult for all years ago ...... from a dictionary : Chiefly Irish English, Scottish, and English regional. derogatory. A woman, esp. one considered to be troublesome, useless, or slatternly; frequently with modifying adjective, as old faggot, lazy faggot, etc. Often as a term of abuse or contempt. Occasionally also with reference to a man or an animal. Cf. bundle n. | |||
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".. its not an anti gay slur." Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
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".. its not an anti gay slur. Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
Try being gay and being called it
Do you know any gay men that have said to you that they are specifically offended by this song? "I'm offended by the word, not the song. If the song contained the 'N' word it would be edited out. This ain't 1950 anymore, it's 2020 | |||
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"This is all I’m gonna say on it for the whole year: the word itself being in Fairytale Of New York doesn’t bother or offend me, but straight people being so angry & outraged at its removal and literally fighting and arguing for the right to sing it bothers me deeply" "We’ve decided not to play Fairytale of New York out of respect for LGBT people, in other news the Govt have axed funding for anti LGBT Bullying programs in school." Like I said intent matters | |||
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"The pogues retweeted the following 2 tweets yesterday This is all I’m gonna say on it for the whole year: the word itself being in Fairytale Of New York doesn’t bother or offend me, but straight people being so angry & outraged at its removal and literally fighting and arguing for the right to sing it bothers me deeply We’ve decided not to play Fairytale of New York out of respect for LGBT people, in other news the Govt have axed funding for anti LGBT Bullying programs in school. Like I said intent matters" Yes | |||
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".. its not an anti gay slur. Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
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Do you know any gay men that have said to you that they are specifically offended by this song?
I'm offended by the word, not the song.
If the song contained the 'N' word it would be edited out.
This ain't 1950 anymore, it's 2020 "So the context of the word doesn't matter to you, just the word itself? I'm not sure if you can compare the words though, faggot has more than one meaning, nigger really doesn't. | |||
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".. its not an anti gay slur. Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
Try being gay and being called it
Do you know any gay men that have said to you that they are specifically offended by this song?
I'm offended by the word, not the song.
If the song contained the 'N' word it would be edited out.
This ain't 1950 anymore, it's 2020
So the context of the word doesn't matter to you, just the word itself? I'm not sure if you can compare the words though, faggot has more than one meaning, nigger really doesn't."Goto USA and ask if 'N' word only has one meaning. It's probably the most used word in the Bronx | |||
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".. its not an anti gay slur. Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
Try being gay and being called it
Do you know any gay men that have said to you that they are specifically offended by this song?
I'm offended by the word, not the song.
If the song contained the 'N' word it would be edited out.
This ain't 1950 anymore, it's 2020
So the context of the word doesn't matter to you, just the word itself? I'm not sure if you can compare the words though, faggot has more than one meaning, nigger really doesn't.
Goto USA and ask if 'N' word only has one meaning.
It's probably the most used word in the Bronx "I live in the USA. "Nigger" has only one meaning to white people, but many meanings to black people and that's kind of my point. Some words should either be for everyone to use, or for nobody to use. Many of my gay friends use "faggot" as an affectionate term between themselves and don't see it as offensive in this context in this song. As one said (and I've paraphrased here) "I have better things to worry about than a load of non-gay people deciding for me what I should or shouldn't be offended by" | |||
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".. its not an anti gay slur. Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
Try being gay and being called it
Do you know any gay men that have said to you that they are specifically offended by this song?
I'm offended by the word, not the song.
If the song contained the 'N' word it would be edited out.
This ain't 1950 anymore, it's 2020
So the context of the word doesn't matter to you, just the word itself? I'm not sure if you can compare the words though, faggot has more than one meaning, nigger really doesn't."Ah, the depths of ignorance and stupidity on display in this comment are something else! If you really can't recognise that both of these words are derogatory then you show you lack the understanding to have any meaningful contribution to the conversation. Whether it's wilful ignorance or downright stupidity is debatable, but I suspect a heady mixture of both. | |||
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".. its not an anti gay slur. Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
Try being gay and being called it
Do you know any gay men that have said to you that they are specifically offended by this song?
I'm offended by the word, not the song.
If the song contained the 'N' word it would be edited out.
This ain't 1950 anymore, it's 2020
So the context of the word doesn't matter to you, just the word itself? I'm not sure if you can compare the words though, faggot has more than one meaning, nigger really doesn't.
Ah, the depths of ignorance and stupidity on display in this comment are something else! If you really can't recognise that both of these words are derogatory then you show you lack the understanding to have any meaningful contribution to the conversation.
Whether it's wilful ignorance or downright stupidity is debatable, but I suspect a heady mixture of both. "So, as a white guy you feel that I, as a black guy, cannot use the word nigger in a non-derogatory way to my black friends? What the hell do you think gives you that right? | |||
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".. its not an anti gay slur. Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
Try being gay and being called it
Do you know any gay men that have said to you that they are specifically offended by this song?
I'm offended by the word, not the song.
If the song contained the 'N' word it would be edited out.
This ain't 1950 anymore, it's 2020
So the context of the word doesn't matter to you, just the word itself? I'm not sure if you can compare the words though, faggot has more than one meaning, nigger really doesn't.
Ah, the depths of ignorance and stupidity on display in this comment are something else! If you really can't recognise that both of these words are derogatory then you show you lack the understanding to have any meaningful contribution to the conversation.
Whether it's wilful ignorance or downright stupidity is debatable, but I suspect a heady mixture of both.
So, as a white guy you feel that I, as a black guy, cannot use the word nigger in a non-derogatory way to my black friends? What the hell do you think gives you that right?"Eh? What are you on? Did I say that, or did I say it's a derogatory term? Just like faggot is a derogatory term. The fact that the black community has taken some internal ownership of it (although that's not universal) is besides the point... just like it's besides the point that a few gay people you know might use the faggot to one another. In wider society both terms are derogatory. If you can't recognise that then you're proving my point about a lack of understanding. Honestly, just give up. | |||
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".. its not an anti gay slur. Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
Try being gay and being called it
Do you know any gay men that have said to you that they are specifically offended by this song?
I'm offended by the word, not the song.
If the song contained the 'N' word it would be edited out.
This ain't 1950 anymore, it's 2020
So the context of the word doesn't matter to you, just the word itself? I'm not sure if you can compare the words though, faggot has more than one meaning, nigger really doesn't.
Ah, the depths of ignorance and stupidity on display in this comment are something else! If you really can't recognise that both of these words are derogatory then you show you lack the understanding to have any meaningful contribution to the conversation.
Whether it's wilful ignorance or downright stupidity is debatable, but I suspect a heady mixture of both.
So, as a white guy you feel that I, as a black guy, cannot use the word nigger in a non-derogatory way to my black friends? What the hell do you think gives you that right?
Eh? What are you on? Did I say that, or did I say it's a derogatory term? Just like faggot is a derogatory term. The fact that the black community has taken some internal ownership of it (although that's not universal) is besides the point... just like it's besides the point that a few gay people you know might use the faggot to one another.
In wider society both terms are derogatory. If you can't recognise that then you're proving my point about a lack of understanding. Honestly, just give up.
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".. its not an anti gay slur. Faggot often shortened to fag, is a usually pejorative term used primarily to refer to a gay man or boy. Pejorative: expressing contempt or disapproval
Try being gay and being called it
Do you know any gay men that have said to you that they are specifically offended by this song?
I'm offended by the word, not the song.
If the song contained the 'N' word it would be edited out.
This ain't 1950 anymore, it's 2020
So the context of the word doesn't matter to you, just the word itself? I'm not sure if you can compare the words though, faggot has more than one meaning, nigger really doesn't.
Ah, the depths of ignorance and stupidity on display in this comment are something else! If you really can't recognise that both of these words are derogatory then you show you lack the understanding to have any meaningful contribution to the conversation.
Whether it's wilful ignorance or downright stupidity is debatable, but I suspect a heady mixture of both.
So, as a white guy you feel that I, as a black guy, cannot use the word nigger in a non-derogatory way to my black friends? What the hell do you think gives you that right?
Eh? What are you on? Did I say that, or did I say it's a derogatory term? Just like faggot is a derogatory term. The fact that the black community has taken some internal ownership of it (although that's not universal) is besides the point... just like it's besides the point that a few gay people you know might use the faggot to one another.
In wider society both terms are derogatory. If you can't recognise that then you're proving my point about a lack of understanding. Honestly, just give up.
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it's just a Christmas song. I know a gay who won't admitt to being offended. I'm straight and OK with it, must mean different things to different people. We won't change the passed (plays the song in 2020).
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"Bizarre. Hey we don't like being called a faggot... maybe we could edit that out like all the other insults... Everyone else: Don't be silly faggot. Snowflake stop being so woke. We've always said it. Was OK 20 years ago. Context. Here try an alternative definition. Rap music. it's just a Christmas song. I know a gay who won't admitt to being offended. I'm straight and OK with it, must mean different things to different people. We won't change the passed (plays the song in 2020).
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"It's not Christmas until somebody has started arguing about Fairytale of New York. " can I put my tree up now | |||
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"It's not Christmas until somebody has started arguing about Fairytale of New York. can I put my tree up now"Thank fuck you’re here! | |||
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"It's not Christmas until somebody has started arguing about Fairytale of New York. can I put my tree up now"Yes  | |||
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"It's not Christmas until somebody has started arguing about Fairytale of New York. can I put my tree up now
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"Can we ban all Xmas songs
Wookie's ba humbug thread is further down "I drive 1000s of miles a week and they drive me mad lol | |||
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"Can we ban all Xmas songs
Wookie's ba humbug thread is further down
I drive 1000s of miles a week and they drive me mad lol"I can believe. I pity shop workers who listen to the same CD every hour | |||
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"Can we ban all Xmas songs
Wookie's ba humbug thread is further down
I drive 1000s of miles a week and they drive me mad lol
I can believe.
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"I read today that Radio 1 will not be playing the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' by The Pogues, as some of the lyrics "might" offend younger listeners. Given that a fair percentage of younger listeners happily listen to rap etc with far more explicit lyrics I find it somewhat laughable." Yeah, it's hilarious Radio 1 not broadcasting a homophobic slur. | |||
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"Wap AWFUL song!! I cringed at it" Typical shite for the GTA/all women's is ho's like bitch innit generation. | |||
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"Wap AWFUL song!! I cringed at it Typical shite for the GTA/all women's is ho's like bitch innit generation." Ah, the sound of the brush of generalisation sweeping vigorously. My son is 18, he's a musician and producer. He absolutely hates Cardi B and similar stuff. Some 18yos like it. It's like any music - some like it, some don't. But it's not a generational thing. There's plenty of other music around that's very different. And there's plenty of young people trying to make new music. | |||
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"I read today that Radio 1 will not be playing the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' by The Pogues, as some of the lyrics "might" offend younger listeners. Given that a fair percentage of younger listeners happily listen to rap etc with far more explicit lyrics I find it somewhat laughable. Yeah, it's hilarious Radio 1 not broadcasting a homophobic slur." | |||
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"Meanwhile in the town that's some times in Cambridgeshire and sometimes a unitary authority. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3478693.stm BBC NEWS | England | Cambridgeshire | Clothing logo causing concern A Peterborough businessman is causing controversy with a new clothing label. The logo he has designed for his T-shirts and tops has offended members of the local Pakistani community, who say it could encourage racism. Abdul Rahim, who runs Star Crescent Clothing in the Cambridgeshire town, admits his Pak1 logo could look like a racial slur. But he said fellow Pakistanis should take back the meaning of the word and wear the clothing with pride. Mr Rahim said: "Pakistan means land of the pure, so to be called a 'paki' is to be called 'the pure'. "Somehow, somewhere in the 1960s, the racists hijacked this word for their own uses and abuses, and our elders, and society in general allowed them to do so." But his "streetwear with attitude" has offended some first-generation Asian immigrants in Peterborough. Ghulam Shabbir, with the Pakistan Community Association, said: "They look at it as a negative remark, something that was used as an insult towards them, rather than something which was positive." Some local residents told BBC Look East they thought wearing the Pak1 logo was not appropriate. One man said: "It's not right, because you'll get abusive calls." Another man added: "Pakistani is alright. Paki? That's no good." Anyone ever heard of the term Indo-Pak? Gets used on TV in India." There used to be a very popular curry house in Leicester called the Anglo-Pak. With regards to Fairy Tale of New York, IIRC Kristy McColl changed the lyrics when they appeared on TV (ToTP?), which is the version R1 will be playing. And with regards to Oliver's Army, Planet Rock have been playing an edited/rerecorded version for a few years, yet Gold and Greatest Hits radio stations were playing the original version earlier this year (I think they might be playing the edited/rerecorded version nowadays). Planet Rock have no problems playing Money For Nothing unedited. | |||
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"I am so very fed up with this wake movement . It's meant to be a tolerant Society but and it's a big but if you say you disagree with the you could lose everything. You should be able to say what you want as long as it does not insight hatred " Hmmmmm. The word in the song that's being talked about is a hateful word. | |||
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"I am so very fed up with this wake movement . It's meant to be a tolerant Society but and it's a big but if you say you disagree with the you could lose everything. You should be able to say what you want as long as it does not insight hatred Hmmmmm. The word in the song that's being talked about is a hateful word." The thing I don't get is this. Freedom of speech. Ok. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from reaction or consequence, and it doesn't mean a guaranteed platform, it means that the government won't treat your speech as a crime. There are all sorts of things which are unacceptable to say. Have been for a long time. It's not woke, it's just... we don't do that. (I'm thinking about comments about the Holocaust, I can't even articulate such a thing in my mind) I mean you could, but you'd not like the reaction. To me it feels like an extension of the same. You can use homophobic slurs: people are free to judge and in some instances you may face consequences. It's socially unacceptable. The other thing I want to know is, why is the freedom to use slurs so valuable that it causes so much angst? Why is it so different to unacceptable comments about the Holocaust? In this instance nothing has been destroyed and you're all free to listen to a song containing the word rhyming with maggot. Go ahead, you do you. No harm done. | |||
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"I am so very fed up with this wake movement . It's meant to be a tolerant Society but and it's a big but if you say you disagree with the you could lose everything. You should be able to say what you want as long as it does not insight hatred Hmmmmm. The word in the song that's being talked about is a hateful word. The thing I don't get is this. Freedom of speech. Ok. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from reaction or consequence, and it doesn't mean a guaranteed platform, it means that the government won't treat your speech as a crime. There are all sorts of things which are unacceptable to say. Have been for a long time. It's not woke, it's just... we don't do that. (I'm thinking about comments about the Holocaust, I can't even articulate such a thing in my mind) I mean you could, but you'd not like the reaction. To me it feels like an extension of the same. You can use homophobic slurs: people are free to judge and in some instances you may face consequences. It's socially unacceptable. The other thing I want to know is, why is the freedom to use slurs so valuable that it causes so much angst? Why is it so different to unacceptable comments about the Holocaust? In this instance nothing has been destroyed and you're all free to listen to a song containing the word rhyming with maggot. Go ahead, you do you. No harm done." I don't understand why people are so eager to hear that word. And you're right, the song hasn't been destroyed. It can be listened to unedited. I love the song, I'll listen to it unedited. Radio 1 will have very young listeners. I started listening to Radio 1 from the age of 9, 10. Children won't understand the nuance of the word in the context of the song. It's also a word I wouldn't want to normalised to children. | |||
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"I’m well on the fence with this argument. The song was re-recorded to remove the offensive lyrics by the original artists. So if they thought it needed to be updated so be it. However the album it comes from, if I should fall from the grace of god, is a classic and I prefer to listen to the original version, myself. Radio 2 are allowing their presenters to make their own decision to play or not to play those lyrics, so it’s hardly PC gone mad if they’ve still allowing it to be played on the radio, not exactly banned is it. " Or did they re-record it so they didn't lose money as more and more stations demand a more pc version? | |||
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