FabSwingers.com forum: The right to defend your home.

By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I heard something interesting on the news and that is how in hungary you can use whatever means to defend your home even use a gun, whilst here there are so much red tape you cant really do anything, have they got it right? I would say yes they have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I heard something interesting on the news and that is how in hungary you can use whatever means to defend your home even use a gun, whilst here there are so much red tape you cant really do anything, have they got it right? I would say yes they have

You can defend your home here, if that defence is proportionate to the threat being posed, why do we need any more than that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home "

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are have the right to use 'reasonable force' to defend yourself or someone else.

That includes the use of lethal force should the scenario dictate. The force must be in proportion to the 'perceived' threat and the right to use it ends once the threat is removed.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection. "
You are right there

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!"

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By *nkforthekinkMan
over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton

I’m still a believer that every mans house is his castle! And in England the old law of the land stats every English man has the right to defend his castle!

Worse case scenario if you kill a intruder just place a kitchen knife in his hand before you make the call to 999

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection. "

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

All those roles are separate for a reason. I agree that we can use reasonable and proportionate force to protect ourselves and our property, and the law is worded in such a way to allow interpretation subject to the individual circumstances and incident.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!"

Firstly, great piece of bravado without being in the situation. You actually have no idea how you would react until you area actually in the situation. (I'll leave aside the bit about you being asleep... that's some incredibly violent sleep walking!)

Secondly, lets assume the intruder does indeed require an ambulance. Get yourself a very good criminal defence solicitor, because that would be investigated and there is no guarantee that you'd escape without a charge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection. You are right there

Except they are not right at all. Even the Police are not allowed to randomly shoot, or shoot to kill. The circumstances are very strict and every single bullet fired has to be accounted for.

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the US, would-be burglars/murderers/rapists etc know full well that the house owner is likely to have a firearm so if they break into a house, they are aware that the end result may mean their death. They still do it. Some get killed, some kill the house owner, some get away completely. If somebody broke into my house, they would get fair warning but no more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is whacking the intruder over the head with a bed-leg legal?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s very vague is our law but for me I would be less bothered about protecting my home - things can be replaced but if someone tried to attack my family then consequences wouldn’t even be considered.

Reminds me of when I was quite young and we lived on a estate and we had our shed broke into and my new bike was stolen, a few nights later I heard something in the garden - the had come back for the rest! And I saw them take the garden bench. I didn’t shout my dad as I knew he would confront them (he had a short temper) and I didn’t want him getting hurt so I told my mum who rang the police.

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Reasonable force is what we have, and I see no need to change it. No one should be given carte blanche to murder just because it's in their own home.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection. "

I'm baffled, I certainly wouldn't feel vindicated killing someone I found leaving my house with my television, just seems over the top and a memory I wouldn't want to be haunted by. Equally there might be an innocent explanation why someone's in my house.

When I was a student, I woke up (during the day!) to find a total stranger entering my bedroom.

He was a plumber who'd been called by the landlord to fix a leaking pipe which was flooding the flat below. In those days landlords or their representatives had the right to enter your premises and had keys to do so. Imagine if I'd slept with a gun under my pillow!

An intruder, coming towards me or my family brandishing a weapon might be a different story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

One of our cats is bigger than that ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my eyes it’s a very grey area. If someone broke into my home, what is reasonable force if the person is holding the tools they used to break in?(crowbar etc)

I know that I would be reaching for the first thing to hand which would not be very nice for the intruder.

I have heard stories of burglars cutting themselves on a persons property before when trying to break in them suing the owner and winning. How in the fuck does that work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

One of our cats is bigger than that ??"

All of mine are

Maybe it's an attack-Chihuahua?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

I'd say the minute someone broke into my home uninvited and my need to protect my home home and family. Is there any good reason why a stranger, breaking into someone's home should be afforded any rights at all?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You are have the right to use 'reasonable force' to defend yourself or someone else.

That includes the use of lethal force should the scenario dictate. The force must be in proportion to the 'perceived' threat and the right to use it ends once the threat is removed. "

This 100 % You have no idea what they are going to do to you once they are in there. There are some bad people in this world and if they are in your home they have gone where they do not belong . I live in a wooded area and The "Law" would not be here in time to help me . As a Woman I don't ever want to hurt another human being EVER but I would not hesitate to protect myself or someone I loved from another person whose intent was to do harm.

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

Because they're still a human being.

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

One of our cats is bigger than that ??"

Little dog syndrome. Lol

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home "

I agree

If you allow the public arms the criminals will have better ones and not shy to use them

I always giggle at the hard men who talk about ambulances as if they are the most invincible super fighter

There is always someone bigger

There is always someone better with a gun

All this nonsense leads to is violence escalation and more death of innocent parties

So yeah tough guy you put someone in hospital

Some ones friends know where you live dafty

and they could stalk you your kids wife forever

Euk

I like my peace of mind health and life thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

He sounds like a good boy

Mine is a Black Lab and a Big Ole Baby He would be hiding behind me ... if he didn't run off and leave me first !!

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

Because they're still a human being."

Then they should act like one.

And by breaking into someone else's home they've chosen to break the law. Why should they then expect that same law to defend them?

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

He sounds like a good boy

Mine is a Black Lab and a Big Ole Baby He would be hiding behind me ... if he didn't run off and leave me first !!

Hide behind me then, but squeezing my arse Would not be appropriate. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd go with Dave Chappelle's approach, and "pepper them up nicely".

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

Because they're still a human being."
no they are scum and deserve zero rights. They should loose their rights the second they break in. If you have ever been burguled and had you possessions and memories abused you might think different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I agree

If you allow the public arms the criminals will have better ones and not shy to use them

I always giggle at the hard men who talk about ambulances as if they are the most invincible super fighter

There is always someone bigger

There is always someone better with a gun

All this nonsense leads to is violence escalation and more death of innocent parties

So yeah tough guy you put someone in hospital

Some ones friends know where you live dafty

and they could stalk you your kids wife forever

Euk

I like my peace of mind health and life thanks "

Whether you put the intruder in hospital, jail or a grave, there is still the possibility of their friends "coming to get you" - this is just the mentality of some people. You can either do something to protect all you have worked for and hold dear, or you can let them get on with it and rely on the police and insurance company to get your life back for you. You can replace most items, but items that are personal to you, you will never get back. Tough choice.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

I have heard stories of burglars cutting themselves on a persons property before when trying to break in them suing the owner and winning. How in the fuck does that work?

It doesn't work, an intruder cutting himself whilst breaking into your home would find himself with an expensive legal bill, unless he could prove you were aware of the danger and/or set a trap to injure people entering your property.

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By *ohnny2006Man
over a year ago

worcester

You should be able to use any force you think is required.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I agree

If you allow the public arms the criminals will have better ones and not shy to use them

I always giggle at the hard men who talk about ambulances as if they are the most invincible super fighter

There is always someone bigger

There is always someone better with a gun

All this nonsense leads to is violence escalation and more death of innocent parties

So yeah tough guy you put someone in hospital

Some ones friends know where you live dafty

and they could stalk you your kids wife forever

Euk

I like my peace of mind health and life thanks "

Just a thought for you. After they've successfully burgled you the first time and met no resistance how long before they return to do so again ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And by breaking into someone else's home they've chosen to break the law. Why should they then expect that same law to defend them? "

You've just been caught doing 65 in a thirty zone. By your logic, a local lynch mob waiting at the traffic lights can drag you from your car, beat you death and argue "But he broke the law".

Of course, a court would probably give you a ban, a fine and be done with. Depending on your record, you might get a short prison sentence. Because the Courts decide what is appropriate once a person has been found guilty

but by your thinking, the lynch mob are the way to go, and you're beaten to death. If only the lynch mob had known that you were speeding as your partner was in labour and you were rushing her to the hospital. Exceptional circumstances, as the coroner's court stated.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I agree

If you allow the public arms the criminals will have better ones and not shy to use them

I always giggle at the hard men who talk about ambulances as if they are the most invincible super fighter

There is always someone bigger

There is always someone better with a gun

All this nonsense leads to is violence escalation and more death of innocent parties

So yeah tough guy you put someone in hospital

Some ones friends know where you live dafty

and they could stalk you your kids wife forever

Euk

I like my peace of mind health and life thanks "

Rather a bleak thread isn't it? You like yours and your families peace of mind. Don't we all. I guess the point (and thankfully it is still quite rare in our country) is... When said stranger is found in the dark in your daughters bedroom with a knife or other threatening implement, would you still feel peace? Very hard to say unless we've experienced the situation what we would do... But I guess the thread is about what the law should allow us to do. Im not sure it is "reasonable" to expect people to think and behave "reasonably" enough when put in a once in a lifetime circumstance to eradicate the threat with the handcuffs of "reasonable force" being assessed properly before acting. Fingers crossed I'm never put in that situation.

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

Because they're still a human being.no they are scum and deserve zero rights. They should loose their rights the second they break in. If you have ever been burguled and had you possessions and memories abused you might think different. "

I wouldn't, but even if I did I would still recognise that a burglar is human and so should be accorded human rights. Any measure taken to stop them to be proportionate to the danger they pose.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

If I met someone in my house who shouldn’t be there then a kick to the bollocks is only polite.

Three people in balaclavas two summers ago tried to push through my hawthorn and bramble hedge in the middle of the night. I simply switched the floodlights on and let my dogs out that was enough to get the desired result. The sound they were making while stuck in the hedge was enough to make me feel sorry for them.

Stuff is easily replaced I’m happy to fight for my life if needed but it’s got to come down that first. No need to get medieval.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I agree

If you allow the public arms the criminals will have better ones and not shy to use them

I always giggle at the hard men who talk about ambulances as if they are the most invincible super fighter

There is always someone bigger

There is always someone better with a gun

All this nonsense leads to is violence escalation and more death of innocent parties

So yeah tough guy you put someone in hospital

Some ones friends know where you live dafty

and they could stalk you your kids wife forever

Euk

I like my peace of mind health and life thanks

Ok so last yeah I pulled a thug from my van he was about to steal it was 1 am

There were two of them

They fronted up for a fight I moved away

They ran off

They were simple opportunist no interest in me or vengeance

However let's say I nailed chap one

Chap 2 could have killed me

Or then they could want revenge

I'll stick with my defensive position not an offensive one thanks

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

If you attack a burglar on the ground floor it is assault, if you beat the shit our of a burglar on the first floor it is self defence.

I always knock someone out on the ground floor, carry them upstairs and beat them to a pulp.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"If you attack a burglar on the ground floor it is assault, if you beat the shit our of a burglar on the first floor it is self defence.

I always knock someone out on the ground floor, carry them upstairs and beat them to a pulp. "

Modern problems require modern solutions

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

I would do anything to protect my home and my family members. I am not a violent person but for these cases i would kill.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Also some crime is committed by shall I politely say some who wander the country as a community

They steal from my company occasionally

They come and go and forget

I absolutely would not dream of laying one finger on them then they do not forget you become a target for life

Ask one local farmer how his revenge backfired

His buildings burn yearly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home "

I think we should, if you shoot them in the right place they won't do it again.

Too many empowered shits think they can do what they want without any consequences, start killing a few and I can see some of them look for a career change.

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

I wouldn't, but even if I did I would still recognise that a burglar is human and so should be accorded human rights. Any measure taken to stop them to be proportionate to the danger they pose. "
are you an ex-con ? You appear to think the burgular has more rights than the poor victims !!

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

I wouldn't, but even if I did I would still recognise that a burglar is human and so should be accorded human rights. Any measure taken to stop them to be proportionate to the danger they pose. are you an ex-con ? You appear to think the burgular has more rights than the poor victims !! "

Haha - nope! I'm just a guy who's bored of reactionary Internet tough guys who have extreme and extremely stupid viewpoints.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

He sounds like a good boy

Mine is a Black Lab and a Big Ole Baby He would be hiding behind me ... if he didn't run off and leave me first !!

Hide behind me then, but squeezing my arse Would not be appropriate. Lol"

Lol... I have no doubt you would protect me Stormtrooper!!

If you saved my Life I'd Give you the biggest hug , kiss and squeeze your Arse twice. Each Cheek !!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I would do anything to protect my home and my family members. I am not a violent person but for these cases i would kill."

My advice if you want to protect your family is tell them to run and follow them !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I think we should, if you shoot them in the right place they won't do it again.

Too many empowered shits think they can do what they want without any consequences, start killing a few and I can see some of them look for a career change."

Like being empowered to take the law into your own hands and shoot someone? Yes, that criminal record on release from prison will result in a career change.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

Because they're still a human being."

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

I wouldn't, but even if I did I would still recognise that a burglar is human and so should be accorded human rights. Any measure taken to stop them to be proportionate to the danger they pose. are you an ex-con ? You appear to think the burgular has more rights than the poor victims !!

Haha - nope! I'm just a guy who's bored of reactionary Internet tough guys who have extreme and extremely stupid viewpoints."
well im no tough guy, but do like an action film. I wouldnt retaliate as i would prob get the "shit" kicked out of me. But i do like to see the bad guys getting "owned" sometimes. Instant justice sometimes seems fairer for the crime than what the courts give out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In true fab fashion, this thread has leapt from being originally about an opportunistic burglar to a knife wielding thug that wants to do harm to children as they sleep

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I’d like to think I’d get all Kung fu on their arse and knock them out and handcuff them for the police to find. The reality is I don’t know Kung fu and my handcuffs are safety handcuffs that they could wiggle out of.

I’d probably barricade us all in a bedroom and shout at them to leave the Xbox alone and to feck off. Then frantically start a thread on Fab asking for advice about what I should do next

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I agree

If you allow the public arms the criminals will have better ones and not shy to use them

I always giggle at the hard men who talk about ambulances as if they are the most invincible super fighter

There is always someone bigger

There is always someone better with a gun

All this nonsense leads to is violence escalation and more death of innocent parties

So yeah tough guy you put someone in hospital

Some ones friends know where you live dafty

and they could stalk you your kids wife forever

Euk

I like my peace of mind health and life thanks

Ok so last yeah I pulled a thug from my van he was about to steal it was 1 am

There were two of them

They fronted up for a fight I moved away

They ran off

They were simple opportunist no interest in me or vengeance

However let's say I nailed chap one

Chap 2 could have killed me

Or then they could want revenge

I'll stick with my defensive position not an offensive one thanks"

You were right to run away

However, a van and its contents are a little different to your home that may have children in it. Sometimes in life, you can't always choose the circumstances of confrontation but you should always be prepared to meet them. I assume you've always lived in the UK? Try living somewhere a little more "wild" and you'll soon change your mind, or leave.

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

I wouldn't, but even if I did I would still recognise that a burglar is human and so should be accorded human rights. Any measure taken to stop them to be proportionate to the danger they pose. are you an ex-con ? You appear to think the burgular has more rights than the poor victims !!

Haha - nope! I'm just a guy who's bored of reactionary Internet tough guys who have extreme and extremely stupid viewpoints. well im no tough guy, but do like an action film. I wouldnt retaliate as i would prob get the "shit" kicked out of me. But i do like to see the bad guys getting "owned" sometimes. Instant justice sometimes seems fairer for the crime than what the courts give out. "

Nothing wrong with a bit of comeuppance, but the question is should a homeowner have the right to murder a burglar. Sometimes lethal force may be required, but my point is every case has to be dealt with individually and reasonable force is fine. The presumption of a right to kill is both unnecessary and dangerous.

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

"I’d like to think I’d get all Kung fu on their arse and knock them out and handcuff them for the police to find. The reality is I don’t know Kung fu and my handcuffs are safety handcuffs that they could wiggle out of.

I’d probably barricade us all in a bedroom and shout at them to leave the Xbox alone and to feck off. Then frantically start a thread on Fab asking for advice about what I should do next

"
according to some it would be mandatory by law to make them a brew and supply hob nobs whilst they were raidi g you "castle"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In true fab fashion, this thread has leapt from being originally about an opportunistic burglar to a knife wielding thug that wants to do harm to children as they sleep "

If someone breaks into your home, you will not know what their intentions are.

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By *wingersimonMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

There is really simple, clear guidance on this on the UK gov website.

You can use reasonable force to protect yourself and others if a crime is taking place in your home:

- to protect yourself ‘in the heat of the moment’.

- to stop an intruder running off.

‘Reasonable force’ is whatever you thought was necessary at the time.

You do not have to wait to be attacked before defending yourself.

However, you can’t:

- attack an intruder if you’re no longer in danger.

- set a trap for someone rather than involve the police.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Thank God for a voice of reason

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

" according to some it would be mandatory by law to make them a brew and supply hob nobs whilst they were raidi g you "castle"

Now that's not really true is it?!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I agree

If you allow the public arms the criminals will have better ones and not shy to use them

I always giggle at the hard men who talk about ambulances as if they are the most invincible super fighter

There is always someone bigger

There is always someone better with a gun

All this nonsense leads to is violence escalation and more death of innocent parties

So yeah tough guy you put someone in hospital

Some ones friends know where you live dafty

and they could stalk you your kids wife forever

Euk

I like my peace of mind health and life thanks

Ok so last yeah I pulled a thug from my van he was about to steal it was 1 am

There were two of them

They fronted up for a fight I moved away

They ran off

They were simple opportunist no interest in me or vengeance

However let's say I nailed chap one

Chap 2 could have killed me

Or then they could want revenge

I'll stick with my defensive position not an offensive one thanks

You were right to run away

My van is my home x

And I'm against the guns so the UK does not become "somewhere a little more wild"

And serious if the home has children how does puny me protect them by losing a damn fight

Best way is simply say peacefully to take what they want and or run as fast as one can with the kids

Statistically

Confrontation will always lead to more harm than running

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"according to some it would be mandatory by law to make them a brew and supply hob nobs whilst they were raidi g you "castle"

Show me where anybody has said that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I agree

If you allow the public arms the criminals will have better ones and not shy to use them

I always giggle at the hard men who talk about ambulances as if they are the most invincible super fighter

There is always someone bigger

There is always someone better with a gun

All this nonsense leads to is violence escalation and more death of innocent parties

So yeah tough guy you put someone in hospital

Some ones friends know where you live dafty

and they could stalk you your kids wife forever

Euk

I like my peace of mind health and life thanks

Ok so last yeah I pulled a thug from my van he was about to steal it was 1 am

There were two of them

They fronted up for a fight I moved away

They ran off

They were simple opportunist no interest in me or vengeance

However let's say I nailed chap one

Chap 2 could have killed me

Or then they could want revenge

I'll stick with my defensive position not an offensive one thanks

You were right to run away

My van is my home x

And I'm against the guns so the UK does not become "somewhere a little more wild"

And serious if the home has children how does puny me protect them by losing a damn fight

Best way is simply say peacefully to take what they want and or run as fast as one can with the kids

Statistically

Confrontation will always lead to more harm than running

Fair enough

We all have to make our own choices if and when life throws a brick at us

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

There’s a reason my gun safe is in my bedroom ... but frankly there are more convenient and “at hand” things littered around the house.

You’d have a hard time fighting your corner of it was a spare of the moment thing after having to unlock 1 safe get the gun out , open the other safe get 6 bullets load them in to the cylinder, then investigate what’s going on ...

However if the situation really warranted it, basically you already knew an intruder was armed and intended to do you harm .. then fill her boots.

Most of your average burglars will leg it as soon as they are aware of someone coming down though they are a cowardly lot, it’s the ones that stay you need a plan for ...

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

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By *ake The Rooster CrowMan
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

You can defend your home here, if that defence is proportionate to the threat being posed, why do we need any more than that?"

We don't its a good law it stops people taking the law into their own hands and causing malicious harm.

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

"according to some it would be mandatory by law to make them a brew and supply hob nobs whilst they were raidi g you "castle"

Show me where anybody has said that?"

you plank, just having a laugh, its just a forun thread, take a chill pill, these threads dont change the world, ffs.

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home "

Anyone who is trying to brakes in your property deserves and must be shoot

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"I would do anything to protect my home and my family members. I am not a violent person but for these cases i would kill.

My advice if you want to protect your family is tell them to run and follow them !"

This, if you can get out do, if you can hide safety (lock a door) do, no ones life is worth losing over possessions

As for weapons there are many things to hand even in a bedroom you could use, to give you some time to get out. I have those huge heavy torches dotted around and they crack a mighty thud if needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

I am with you on this one, they enter your home uninvited, with the intention to take from you sometimes using force.

We know the CPS goes lightly on these people, as they continue to do it each time they get out of prison.

Think of it as a cost saving exercise, the saving is not having to arrest them, not having to hold them, not wasting a courts time also saving money in locking them up.

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

They can't do you for murder if they don't find the body.

I'm joking, obviously

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By *ary Mary not so hairyWoman
over a year ago

Tamworth

"I would do anything to protect my home and my family members. I am not a violent person but for these cases i would kill.

My advice if you want to protect your family is tell them to run and follow them !

This, if you can get out do, if you can hide safety (lock a door) do, no ones life is worth losing over possessions

As for weapons there are many things to hand even in a bedroom you could use, to give you some time to get out. I have those huge heavy torches dotted around and they crack a mighty thud if needed. "

Then have it taken off you and the same done to you only far worse. Better just to run or get out of the way.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"I would do anything to protect my home and my family members. I am not a violent person but for these cases i would kill.

My advice if you want to protect your family is tell them to run and follow them !

This, if you can get out do, if you can hide safety (lock a door) do, no ones life is worth losing over possessions

As for weapons there are many things to hand even in a bedroom you could use, to give you some time to get out. I have those huge heavy torches dotted around and they crack a mighty thud if needed.

Then have it taken off you and the same done to you only far worse. Better just to run or get out of the way."

Of course as I said run or hide first, the torch is the last resort

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection. You are right there

Guns should not be allowed .... just the school massacres in the states show us that: there is always someone with a bigger gun.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Anyone who is trying to brakes in your property deserves and must be shoot "

‘Break’ ..... and so you think the person breaking into your house should be able to legally own a gun too? Bloody madness!!

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By *.luke7Man
over a year ago

You can defend your home here, if that defence is proportionate to the threat being posed, why do we need any more than that?"

Can we really though? We are living in a claim-happy state. If someone breaks into your home and injured themselves on something not right in your home, they are well within their rights to sue you.. ¿da fukkk?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection. You are right there

Guns should not be allowed .... just the school massacres in the states show us that: there is always someone with a bigger gun. "

Dunblane was enough for us to change our laws

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No but I don't really agree with anyone being able to own a gun.

I do think you should be able to kill someone who breaks into your house though. And I probably could do it if I had a knife and felt threatened.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection. You are right there

Guns should not be allowed .... just the school massacres in the states show us that: there is always someone with a bigger gun.

Dunblane was enough for us to change our laws "

Exactly!!! In the states teachers are trained in ‘shooting drills’ .... no thanks.

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Anyone who is trying to brakes in your property deserves and must be shoot

‘Break’ ..... and so you think the person breaking into your house should be able to legally own a gun too? Bloody madness!!"

Should i do coffee and dinner for someone who breaks into my home?

Just imagine state of mind of that person, breaking into someone's house, private property?? Nobody is going to miss souch a person

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

One of our cats is bigger than that ??

All of mine are

Maybe it's an attack-Chihuahua?

. Miss Molly is getting that way!

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Should i do coffee and dinner for someone who breaks into my home?

Nobody's suggesting you should, but going to the other extreme killing them (without good reason) is also unnecessary.

Personally I don't want anyone's blood on my hands if I can help it, and on a purely selfish level the fall in my property value due to the notoriety would be more than the loss of a few trinkets!

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Should i do coffee and dinner for someone who breaks into my home?

Nobody's suggesting you should, but going to the other extreme killing them (without good reason) is also unnecessary.

Personally I don't want anyone's blood on my hands if I can help it, and on a purely selfish level the fall in my property value due to the notoriety would be more than the loss of a few trinkets!

Right i won't kill anyone if he has good reason for breaking my home

I understand what do u mean but that sort of criminals i hate, seriously hate...i would shoot their knees so they wouldn't be able to walk again...I really don't like any sort of violence to be clear

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Should i do coffee and dinner for someone who breaks into my home?

Nobody's suggesting you should, but going to the other extreme killing them (without good reason) is also unnecessary.

Personally I don't want anyone's blood on my hands if I can help it, and on a purely selfish level the fall in my property value due to the notoriety would be more than the loss of a few trinkets!

Right i won't kill anyone if he has good reason for breaking my home

I understand what do u mean but that sort of criminals i hate, seriously hate...i would shoot their knees so they wouldn't be able to walk again...I really don't like any sort of violence to be clear "

Haha the knee-capping pacifist! What a load of nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

One of our cats is bigger than that ??

All of mine are

Maybe it's an attack-Chihuahua?

. Miss Molly is getting that way!

More to cuddle! Gotta love a chunky cat

At my last vet visit, Nkosi was a hefty 7.6kg and my little Dave is just 5.4kg. I shall feed her more

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Anyone who is trying to brakes in your property deserves and must be shoot

‘Break’ ..... and so you think the person breaking into your house should be able to legally own a gun too? Bloody madness!!

Should i do coffee and dinner for someone who breaks into my home?

Just imagine state of mind of that person, breaking into someone's house, private property?? Nobody is going to miss souch a person

Apart from maybe their kids...

Breaking into your home is shit, yes. But it is not necessarily a threat to you or your family.

Hence the "reasonable force" bit in the law. Now if they broke in and started attacking your family with a knife, that is a very different scenario.

But even in that one, if you managed to overcome them, tie them up etc. You have to stop at that point. If you decide to then give them a good kicking, you are in the wrong.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

One of our cats is bigger than that ??

All of mine are

Maybe it's an attack-Chihuahua?

I was thinking that, I’m old school our pooch after his diet hovers around 9st.

Would save feeding him for a week

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Anyone who is trying to brakes in your property deserves and must be shoot

‘Break’ ..... and so you think the person breaking into your house should be able to legally own a gun too? Bloody madness!!

Should i do coffee and dinner for someone who breaks into my home?

Just imagine state of mind of that person, breaking into someone's house, private property?? Nobody is going to miss souch a person "

My mates Dad ex met police developed Alzheimer's and went on a wandering spree prior to going into care, his state of mind was as far as you could get from some shitty little scrote..

Luckily for him no one over reacted or thought they were by divine right entitled to batter fuck out of someone ..

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

Should i do coffee and dinner for someone who breaks into my home?

Nobody's suggesting you should, but going to the other extreme killing them (without good reason) is also unnecessary.

Personally I don't want anyone's blood on my hands if I can help it, and on a purely selfish level the fall in my property value due to the notoriety would be more than the loss of a few trinkets!

Right i won't kill anyone if he has good reason for breaking my home

I hate them too, but that hatred shouldn't manifest itself into summary justice. The use of 'appropriate force', can always be justified from a legal perspective but only in the protection of you or your family.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

One of our cats is bigger than that ??

All of mine are

Maybe it's an attack-Chihuahua?

. Miss Molly is getting that way!

More to cuddle! Gotta love a chunky cat

At my last vet visit, Nkosi was a hefty 7.6kg and my little Dave is just 5.4kg. I shall feed her more

Haha

the vet wasn't very happy with Molly's weight again. She was 4.3kg I got it down before her next visit, but it's gone up again! I will have to take her swimming,like you do with yours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the bad old days of South Africa they had a similar law but it included your garden, people were shot dead and then dragged on to their property to avoid prosecution!

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"In the bad old days of South Africa they had a similar law but it included your garden, people were shot dead and then dragged on to their property to avoid prosecution!

Wow!

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By *pices69Couple
over a year ago

Gravesend

Words of advice:

You were in fear for your life, or those of in the house.

You just happened to have some tools in the bedroom because you’ve been working on some diy.

You had no means of escaping the situation.

You dont clearly remember what was said, but it was clear they didn’t expect you to be in and they said something about hurting you/family or worse.

you shouldn’t have any prior criminal record and this is your first offence.

You suffer a lot of guilt from the harm that comes from hurting others...

You were just trying to stop them, and get away.

It’s not uncommon to suffer from wide ranging emotions after such an incident, so take time before responding to any questions and take that time to get legal representation.

good luck.

and good riddance to anyone who breaks into a home where a family is.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Anyone who is trying to brakes in your property deserves and must be shoot

‘Break’ ..... and so you think the person breaking into your house should be able to legally own a gun too? Bloody madness!!"

Whilst you can’t own a gun for self defence here I. England you can quite legally own guns for other reasons as such it is quite possible that a householder has firearms in their property.

Whilst a lot harder in the case of shooting someone with a legally owned firearm - it could be argued that the house owner felt that shooting the burglar was indeed proportional to the perceived threat at the time and therefore they would not be prosecuted, even if the burglar died.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

My father’s shotgun cabinet is bolted to the wall at the side of his bed. If he awoke one night and thought that his and my Mum’s lives were at risk from an intruder in their house I have no doubt that he would use one of his guns to defend themselves. He would have my full support if it ever came to it too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I respect everyone's opinion. It will always be for or against guns. And if God forbid any one of us is ever in the situation whatever opinion you have on the issue will ultimately decide your fate. A Woman like me

in the middle of nowhere chooses to have that protection. It's not something I ever want to have to use. Who is going to protect a innocent 10 year old little girl sleeping or an Elederly Mother who can't move if an intruders intent is harm. Are those lives supposed to be taken or changed forever? What is your answer to those who lost them ? That oh I guess it was meant to be. NO!! The Bad guys will ALWAYS have guns no matter what, When the good guys have them it evens it out . I can tell you they would get one warning to get out . You are taught to use deadly force if needed . The other half of me is a Nurse who is trained to save a life. In all honesty I truly don't know if I could take a fatal shot . My instincts would be to stop the threat and then I also know I would keep them alive until EMS arrives. My point is I won't know until it happens. Nobody does, but If it does I refuse to not fight back and protect someone more vulnerable. I also pray that if in a public area that A Man like the ones on this thread is there to protect others and someone like me . No one wants to take a Life but Ultimately the Good Guy the one with that gun that man or woman may just save yours .

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

People should have the right to use whatever means or force they felt appropriate at the time based on how threatened they felt. It's very easy as an outside observer to criticize if excessive force was used. You can't really know until you're placed in that situation.

Realities of the UK relative to the U.S. are certainly different due to the 2nd amendment. I firmly believe that if someone is breaking and entering your home, either by stealth or through clear violence, they pose a threat to the well being of you and your family. That threat can and should be neutralised, even if it involves firearms and potentially killing someone in extremis.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"I respect everyone's opinion. It will always be for or against guns. And if God forbid any one of us is ever in the situation whatever opinion you have on the issue will ultimately decide your fate. A Woman like me

#2ndamendmentforever

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By *ouise HartleyTV/TS
over a year ago

the street of failed artists Liverpool

"I’m still a believer that every mans house is his castle! And in England the old law of the land stats every English man has the right to defend his castle!

Worse case scenario if you kill a intruder just place a kitchen knife in his hand before you make the call to 999

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of course the police are really stupid and would absolutely be taken in by that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

#2ndamendmentforever

#Forever

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

I think its time for a vote. Shoot or tickle the thieving bastards... put me down for shoot

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!"

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

It would be a seriously brave / stupid burglar that didn’t put everything down and run like hell though coming up against a homeowner brandishing a .357 revolver. It is incredibly unlikely that you would have to pull the trigger ..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Reasonable force is what we have, and I see no need to change it. No one should be given carte blanche to murder just because it's in their own home."

Agreed.

This topic inflames emotions and instincts, which is entirely understandable, but... well.

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By *iddlesticksMan
over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

"People should have the right to use whatever means or force they felt appropriate at the time based on how threatened they felt. It's very easy as an outside observer to criticize if excessive force was used. You can't really know until you're placed in that situation.

From experience I was in a situation where the US and UK views to self defence and rules of engagement were so misaligned.

I was at a check point in a country east of here at night in an authorised deadly force zone with an American. We came across a national asleep in a vehicle, the American with me wanted to shoot him which by the letter of the law would have been allowed. I investigated further and ascertained that there was nothing nefarious about his intentions and moved him on. My American colleague was angry at me as he felt he should have shot him. I’m very glad we didn’t.

What’s the point of this, sometimes when there is a right to use a degree of force, it’s not always right to use it.

I’ll get back to being my usual silly self now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are able to use a defence for self defence, defence of another, prevention of crime and lawful arrest.

That defence has to be reasonable and proportionate.

Scenario 1: someone breaks into your home, you hit them with something and they either fall down and can’t get up or they run away. The imminent threat has been stopped.

That is reasonable and proportionate.

Scenario 2: someone breaks into your home, you hit them with something and they fall to the floor. You continue to hit them when they are on the floor, seriously injuring or maybe killing them.

That is not reasonable and is disproportionate.

If everyone were able to shoot or kill anyone that threatened them or broke into their home then when does it stop? Where is the line that should not be crossed?

We do not live in a lawless society.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

Impossible to say, where it does happen and reaches the public domain it usually ends in the death of the intruder because that’s news worthy, there will be a number of cases where it happens and does not even make it to the police.

The facts suggest though that an intruder coming in to your house while you are in it are incredibly rare and unlikely in the uk. Most burglaries happen in the afternoon, are spare of the moment chance things and almost always when the house is empty. 90% of burglars are cowards and don’t want to have to deal with an angry homeowner.

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By *ames_LondonMan
over a year ago

Southgate

I know a guy whose house was broken into by a someone who had a bottle of acid. Dog bit burgler, guy took acid out of burglar’s pocket and held burglar until police arrived. Police had to consider whether the dog should be put to sleep. The burglar’s lawyer said that he would drop complaint re dog if guy dropped charges against burglar. Fortunately, police agreed dog not dangerous and charged burglar anyway.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"You are able to use a defence for self defence, defence of another, prevention of crime and lawful arrest.

That defence has to be reasonable and proportionate.

Scenario 1: someone breaks into your home, you hit them with something and they either fall down and can’t get up or they run away. The imminent threat has been stopped.

That is reasonable and proportionate.

Scenario 2: someone breaks into your home, you hit them with something and they fall to the floor. You continue to hit them when they are on the floor, seriously injuring or maybe killing them.

That is not reasonable and is disproportionate.

If everyone were able to shoot or kill anyone that threatened them or broke into their home then when does it stop? Where is the line that should not be crossed?

We do not live in a lawless society. "

God so much.

We have laws restraining violence for very very good reasons FFS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A few months back some nut case had the wrong address literally trying to boot my front door off its hinges while my nephew was asleep i called police but they never even turned up! When i made a complaint they blamed lack of response ie not turning up because of a local stabbing and no officers available, i would of gladly answered the door and give it him with whatever was to hand but wasn't wise my nephew being there, as i was on the phone to 999 the call handler could clearly hear him trying to breach my door but all he said was keep it locked wtf! If he did breachthe door half a kettle full of boiling water was boiled and i wouldn't of hesitated in throwing it on he's face outside I'd 99% walk awayffrom cconfrontation but getting in my home byttrying to take my front door off doesn't sit well with me and he would of been sorry! Luckily after what seemed ages he realised he had the wrong address and fucked off sharpish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would be a seriously brave / stupid burglar that didn’t put everything down and run like hell though coming up against a homeowner brandishing a .357 revolver. It is incredibly unlikely that you would have to pull the trigger .."

Drugs can make some people a lot braver/stupider unfortunately.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"A few months back some nut case had the wrong address literally trying to boot my front door off its hinges while my nephew was asleep i called police but they never even turned up! When i made a complaint they blamed lack of response ie not turning up because of a local stabbing and no officers available, i would of gladly answered the door and give it him with whatever was to hand but wasn't wise my nephew being there, as i was on the phone to 999 the call handler could clearly hear him trying to breach my door but all he said was keep it locked wtf! If he did breachthe door half a kettle full of boiling water was boiled and i wouldn't of hesitated in throwing it on he's face outside I'd 99% walk awayffrom cconfrontation but getting in my home byttrying to take my front door off doesn't sit well with me and he would of been sorry! Luckily after what seemed ages he realised he had the wrong address and fucked off sharpish. "

Imagine if lethal force had been used against someone trying (albeit pissed and aggressive) to get into the wrong house!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Imagine if lethal force had been used against someone trying (albeit pissed and aggressive) to get into the wrong house!"
no this idiot was shouting a completely random name saying open the door or I'm booting it off i would of opened it had my nephew not been there i did the right thing in phoning 999 they didn't even turn up despite the call handler could clearly hear my door being kicked in im far from a violent person my concern was protecting my nephew firstly myself secondly and my home luckily he realised he had wrong address and fucked off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!"

I caught a druggie in my house at 3am before when I lived in rough part of tower hamlets, saw red and started beating him senseless, then I felt sorry for him and let him go without calling police, he was a mess and it felt like hitting a child when I calmed down, if guns were legal and I had one I would 100 percent shoot to kill if I felt family was threatened but I would have to live with that and I still feel bad for giving the addict a beating so shooting him wouldn’t of been nice, but play stupid games win stupid prizes. If your going to rob peoples homes expect the worst

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was a body builder that got broke into by a teenager, the shit got into the family bedroom with a pen in his hand. The body builder put an axe through the kids skull, as he thought the kid had a knife.

The body builder got away with self defence.

Considering most shits that break into peoples houses have a knife on them, bringing a gun into the mix seems fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's very easy as an outside observer to criticize if excessive force was used."

The "outside observer" will most likely be a jury who will have heard evidence from a lot sources. They will decide your fate, and it won't be in the heat of the moment.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's very easy as an outside observer to criticize if excessive force was used.

The "outside observer" will most likely be a jury who will have heard evidence from a lot sources. They will decide your fate, and it won't be in the heat of the moment."

If memory serves the protection for home owners, on this issue, in English and Welsh law, is pretty robust.

But outside a legal discussion it just seems like glorification of violence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These threads always end up with a group banging on about how criminals shouldn't have rights etc etc. As I see it the issue of what 'rights' another person has is irrelevant - in fact, I don't even believe in 'rights' of any sort. Personally, I believe in responsibility. It is my responsibility to decide how I treat others, not to judge what rights they should or shouldn't havd. If I start believing I have the right to beat, harm, torture or kill another person because they have committed what I consider to be a crime, what is the difference between me and say an ISIS executioner? To be sure I could argue that in my opinion stealing from my house is a bigger crime than drawing cartoons of a prophet but that is only in my opinion.

Instead of deciding my behavoir based on my assessment of someone else's actions, I prefer to decide how to behave based on the person I want to be.

And before anyone says anything about changing my opinion after being a victim of crime, I've come home from school to find a burglar ransacking our house (he ran off while I was still trying to figure out what the broken back door and upended drawers/cupboards meant). I've also been victim of GBH which left me with several hospital stays, a disfigured face and several titanium plates. The charge was initially attempted murder but was changed as the CPS felt they wouldn't be able to prove intent.

In the second instance I had a very moving chance encounter with the parents of one perpetrator after they recognised me from court in a supermarket and years later bumped into, shook hands with and accepted the apology of the other after he was released (they were both total strangers).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone has a "plan" in their head untill something actually happens and that goes for both sides of the argument...

For those that think they would avoid a confrontation and allow the burglar to leave unharmed, what about when it happens for a second, third even fourth time because that property is then "an easy score" ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone has a "plan" in their head untill something actually happens and that goes for both sides of the argument...

I'd say that is a pretty unlikely scenario

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone has a "plan" in their head untill something actually happens and that goes for both sides of the argument...

I'd say that is a pretty unlikely scenario "

Really, you don't believe places get burgled more than once in quick succession?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Everyone has a "plan" in their head untill something actually happens and that goes for both sides of the argument...

If. Not when.

There are solutions that don't involve spilling blood, like the police or enhanced security measures.

And even if there were not, I know I'm not a fighter. I'm definitely freeze or flee on fight/flight/freeze.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This right here . He's one of those good Guys. I would want him in a crowd or to have my back if ever needed. And I would damn sure have his !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone has a "plan" in their head untill something actually happens and that goes for both sides of the argument...

If. Not when.

There are solutions that don't involve spilling blood, like the police or enhanced security measures.

And even if there were not, I know I'm not a fighter. I'm definitely freeze or flee on fight/flight/freeze."

Just out of interest, the OP didn't mention burglary, just an intruder into your house. The intruder can have many reasons for being there. If the intruder was there to cause you physical harm (rape or worse) because they fancied you and had followed you home one day and had then physically prevented you from fleeing, would "freezing" be the only other option you would consider? As others have said, no-one knows how they would react in a specific situation, personally I take some comfort in knowing that I have other options rather than to just be a victim without a fight.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

This to me is the biggest “Fail” in US gun use. Mass shooting, many States with “open carry” laws yet you can count on one hand the annual number of times an armed bystander stops an incident happening. Whether it be store robbery, mugging or school/college shooting.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

Because they're still a human being."

They're not. They're scum. Waste of flesh.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

This is more frequent than you'd assume and is often not reported by mainstream media. Doesn't fit the narrative that guns are bad and unnecessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

I do believe it's more than one hand . You see what the Media wants you to see. Over here people like that save families in churches, movie theaters malls. How many fingers would you have to use if you counted the lives saved at that moment in time by that Hero!! That is the number that is most important. Someone just living their everyday life with no clue what their day had in store for them went home to someone who loved them more than anything in this world. In a horrible no win situation that is the number that will matter most to a person like me.ALWAYS .I will grieve for the ones taken too soon , not the one who pulled the trigger to destroy lives !! We live it , we also come together in the face of those times to stand together.There is good and evil everywhere. And will always be .

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

This is more frequent than you'd assume and is often not reported by mainstream media. Doesn't fit the narrative that guns are bad and unnecessary."

What a load of crap. The media absolutely loves have-a-go heroes. John Smeaton, Glasgow Airport, legend. Guy with a narwhal tusk in London, legend.

The problem is widespread gun possession combined with the sorts of ludicrous views which are in evidence throughout this thread leads to a lot of unnecessary killing... or do you see all the school massacres as worth it? We had a school massacre over here once. It was fucking horrible and now handguns are banned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone has a "plan" in their head untill something actually happens and that goes for both sides of the argument...

If. Not when.

There are solutions that don't involve spilling blood, like the police or enhanced security measures.

And even if there were not, I know I'm not a fighter. I'm definitely freeze or flee on fight/flight/freeze.

As you mentioned it- many women who are the victims of sexual assault/rape do freeze, there is nothing wrong with that and it is a totally natural response for many.

It’s very rare that a woman will fight an attacker regardless of what their intentions are.

It’s also rare that a burglar would enter a bedroom and by far the safest thing to do is to is to remain in the bedroom and call the police rather than chancing being able to stop and/or over power them.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

This is more frequent than you'd assume and is often not reported by mainstream media. Doesn't fit the narrative that guns are bad and unnecessary."

It is absolutely reported by the mainstream media, and celebrated when it does happen!

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home "

Shooting someone who breaks into your house is wrong.

The right thing to do is knock them out, can you imagine the terror when they awaken bound and gagged and see the array of power tools...

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home "
I do

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home I do "

Then that pretty much means the person entering your home will also legally own a gun and be a lot more ready to use it first

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

So when did you become the investigator, prosecutor, jury, judge and executioner?

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how would the police know you HADNT invited them to your home/property with the express intention of murdering them then saying they had broken in/were there uninvited and you had defended yourself dead bodies dont talk its why we have reasonable force

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you use enough red tape the burglar won't be able to get in...

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home "

I would just brake they legs, thanks to the base ball bat under my bed.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home I do

Then that pretty much means the person entering your home will also legally own a gun and be a lot more ready to use it first

Yes. Allowing more violence and access to weapons means we have... more violence and access to weapons. Hard pass.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I would just brake they legs, thanks to the base ball bat under my bed.

I trust you keep a ball there with it

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

If someone breaks in to my house it’s on till one of submits.

Their human rights stops at the door they broke in through.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

This is more frequent than you'd assume and is often not reported by mainstream media. Doesn't fit the narrative that guns are bad and unnecessary.

What a load of crap. The media absolutely loves have-a-go heroes. John Smeaton, Glasgow Airport, legend. Guy with a narwhal tusk in London, legend.

Not 100% accurate, had guns of a certain size were banned ... but you can still quite easily own hand guns in the uk , I have 2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Their human rights stops at the door they broke in through. "

Best of luck with that as a defence in court.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Their human rights stops at the door they broke in through.

Best of luck with that as a defence in court."

Lol

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

"Their human rights stops at the door they broke in through.

Best of luck with that as a defence in court."

I will deal with that if I am unlucky enough for it to happen.

But I am sure he would be putting up a bloody good struggle officer lol

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

This is more frequent than you'd assume and is often not reported by mainstream media. Doesn't fit the narrative that guns are bad and unnecessary.

What a load of crap. The media absolutely loves have-a-go heroes. John Smeaton, Glasgow Airport, legend. Guy with a narwhal tusk in London, legend.

Not 100% accurate, had guns of a certain size were banned ... but you can still quite easily own hand guns in the uk , I have 2"

Yes, I understand an extremely restricted range of pistols are still legal, but handguns are effectively banned.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

This is more frequent than you'd assume and is often not reported by mainstream media. Doesn't fit the narrative that guns are bad and unnecessary.

What a load of crap. The media absolutely loves have-a-go heroes. John Smeaton, Glasgow Airport, legend. Guy with a narwhal tusk in London, legend.

Not 100% accurate, had guns of a certain size were banned ... but you can still quite easily own hand guns in the uk , I have 2

Yes, I understand an extremely restricted range of pistols are still legal, but handguns are effectively banned."

Not really, thanks to the way the legislation was written it means only small handguns have been banned and now companies are selling modified versions of their hand guns which fall outside the banned definition. Long gone are the days it was only the only black powder pistols that were legal. For example one of mine is a modern semi automatic Walther, and the other a chiappa revolver.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m still a believer that every mans house is his castle! And in England the old law of the land stats every English man has the right to defend his castle!

Worse case scenario if you kill a intruder just place a kitchen knife in his hand before you make the call to 999

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I would just brake they legs, thanks to the base ball bat under my bed.

I trust you keep a ball there with it

I only have the bat M8.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not really, thanks to the way the legislation was written it means only small handguns have been banned and now companies are selling modified versions of their hand guns which fall outside the banned definition. Long gone are the days it was only the only black powder pistols that were legal. For example one of mine is a modern semi automatic Walther, and the other a chiappa revolver. "

Why would you want or need a device whose sole purpose is to cause harm... in the UK?

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

I'll do whatever it takes to keep me, my family safe

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

If I caught someone sneaking round my home when I was asleep, they wouldn't be leaving without an ambulance! End of, scumbags!

Hyperbole!

People always make grandiose statements: if someone does x to me or mine I'll do the rest of the alphabet on them.

How many incidents have there been of people retaliating in such a manner?

This is more frequent than you'd assume and is often not reported by mainstream media. Doesn't fit the narrative that guns are bad and unnecessary.

What a load of crap. The media absolutely loves have-a-go heroes. John Smeaton, Glasgow Airport, legend. Guy with a narwhal tusk in London, legend.

Not 100% accurate, had guns of a certain size were banned ... but you can still quite easily own hand guns in the uk , I have 2

Yes, I understand an extremely restricted range of pistols are still legal, but handguns are effectively banned.

Nice, that surprises me I wasn’t aware you could have them.

I have a Mossberg 500 which suits my needs.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Their human rights stops at the door they broke in through.

Best of luck with that as a defence in court.

I will deal with that if I am unlucky enough for it to happen.

But I am sure he would be putting up a bloody good struggle officer lol"

What on earth gives you the delusion you could confidently win a fight with a person who plays on the dark side

You're good at dis arming experienced criminals with knives ?

All I hear is postulating testosterone

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

Why would you want or need a device whose sole purpose is to cause harm... in the UK?"

Because it can also be used for harmless sport, and is a fun thing to do as a hobby that is why I want to own firearms, I do not need to, but I want to as I enjoy the challenge and the fun of the target sport. Just because something has been designed to cause harm does not mean that it cannot be used for other activities.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

I would just brake they legs, thanks to the base ball bat under my bed.

I trust you keep a ball there with it

I only have the bat M8.

Again posturing testosterone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would you want or need a device whose sole purpose is to cause harm... in the UK?

I would have told him to mind his own business

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection. "

The law is what seperates us from them. People who commit crimes should always be handled under the law else it would be madness everywhere.

Certain people, groups and parties have undermined this in the past and it NEVER ends well.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

The law is what seperates us from them. People who commit crimes should always be handled under the law else it would be madness everywhere.

Certain people, groups and parties have undermined this in the past and it NEVER ends well."

This is what separates us from failed regimes and monsters.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

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My chocolate lab is over 43kg and even our little gobby Scouser is over 15kg. Did you put a point in by error?

I've come face to face with a stranger in the middle of the night. They'd broken a window next to my door and I went to investigate an odd noise.

So I don't think I'd react much differently if it happened again. I stood there dumb founded, he ran off but was prosecuted later.

I didn't even recognise him in the court room but he apologised to me and paid for the window before it even got to court.

At no point did I think about rushing him let alone looking for a knife or weapon though. He admitted he was in a bad place, thought my home empty and didn't consider the consequences of someone being in or his actions

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

The law is what seperates us from them. People who commit crimes should always be handled under the law else it would be madness everywhere.

Certain people, groups and parties have undermined this in the past and it NEVER ends well."

Absolutely right, we can see this now in the US where laws and conventions conceived and developed over hundreds of years are being circumvented for spurious purposes. However this ends up it won't be good for America.

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By *ouneed meMan
over a year ago

mold

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

The law is what seperates us from them. People who commit crimes should always be handled under the law else it would be madness everywhere.

Certain people, groups and parties have undermined this in the past and it NEVER ends well.

Some of the crime stats make the dodgiest parts of the UK look like Utopia. Hard pass

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By *ouneed meMan
over a year ago

mold

Pushing this thread a bit further a lot of people these day are bleeding hearts .but say .why can people do say abuse of children or tarmacig dog to floor why then should be able to hide behind human rights...act inhuman lose rights

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home

Why not, they have broken the law by breaking in, therefore the law should offer them no protection.

The law is what seperates us from them. People who commit crimes should always be handled under the law else it would be madness everywhere.

Certain people, groups and parties have undermined this in the past and it NEVER ends well.

This is what separates us from failed regimes and monsters."

This. Absolutely this.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Pushing this thread a bit further a lot of people these day are bleeding hearts .but say .why can people do say abuse of children or tarmacig dog to floor why then should be able to hide behind human rights...act inhuman lose rights "

Because that's not how human rights work.

We got human rights out of Nazi Germany deciding that some groups were not eligible for rights.

Do we really want to follow Hitler?

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

What's a bleeding heart?

My view on this isn't because I feel sorry for offenders, it's the opposite, I don't want my principles/behaviour compromised by people who do bad things.

Due process is good enough for me, a cold light of day assessment of facts & circumstances and a long time in jail for those who upset the norms of civilised life.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

What's a bleeding heart?

My view on this isn't because I feel sorry for offenders, it's the opposite, I don't want my principles/behaviour compromised by people who do bad things.

Due process is good enough for me, a cold light of day assessment of facts & circumstances and a long time in jail for those who upset the norms of civilised life."

Definitely. And it means we don't become like the monsters, meting out our own version of "justice" through our feelings rather than the systems that society has set up in order to stop a bloodbath of eye for an eye.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

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My chocolate lab is over 43kg and even our little gobby Scouser is over 15kg. Did you put a point in by error?

I've come face to face with a stranger in the middle of the night. They'd broken a window next to my door and I went to investigate an odd noise.

So I don't think I'd react much differently if it happened again. I stood there dumb founded, he ran off but was prosecuted later.

I didn't even recognise him in the court room but he apologised to me and paid for the window before it even got to court.

Now this I feel is closer to a reality

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

"No...I don't think you should be allowed to shoot someone that breaks into your home "
hanging them would be better.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I feel sorry for the poor bugger that breaks into my home.

My 6.8kg monster of a dog will have him/her for breakfast.

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My chocolate lab is over 43kg and even our little gobby Scouser is over 15kg. Did you put a point in by error?

I've come face to face with a stranger in the middle of the night. They'd broken a window next to my door and I went to investigate an odd noise.

So I don't think I'd react much differently if it happened again. I stood there dumb founded, he ran off but was prosecuted later.

I didn't even recognise him in the court room but he apologised to me and paid for the window before it even got to court.

Now this I feel is closer to a reality

Yes.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

What's a bleeding heart?

My view on this isn't because I feel sorry for offenders, it's the opposite, I don't want my principles/behaviour compromised by people who do bad things.

Due process is good enough for me, a cold light of day assessment of facts & circumstances and a long time in jail for those who upset the norms of civilised life."

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

What's a bleeding heart?

My view on this isn't because I feel sorry for offenders, it's the opposite, I don't want my principles/behaviour compromised by people who do bad things.

Due process is good enough for me, a cold light of day assessment of facts & circumstances and a long time in jail for those who upset the norms of civilised life.

Exactly

Its always revenge

Love or hate star wars the message of the dark side is clear its illusting it's easy to be vengeful

When we do we become what we should despise x

Revenge concept leads to thousands of years or tribal tit for tat

Ok you kill a petty thief

His controllers kill your children their children kill the leader the lead kills bla bla bla

Walk away stay safe hold head high

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I have done a new thread we can continue on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have done a new thread we can continue on

Noooooo....

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Lol

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