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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Sorry, you'll need to translate. I don't understand what you mean.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just educate the parents more,they are the first ones to learn their children not teaches. Parents don't give a shit now to busy drinking withe em

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

just being thorough, would peeps be prepared to have their tax money spent on this? To educate requires an education plan and that needs finance.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?"

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

that is currently being addressed under the "Skills for Life" programme in numeracy and literacy. It is not obligatory however, but it is free.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

You mean like parenting classes and that type of thing?

Seems like a good idea, so long as it is done to support people and not deprive them of their freedom.

Kids don't come with an instruction manual lol

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

that is currently being addressed under the "Skills for Life" programme in numeracy and literacy. It is not obligatory however, but it is free."

not shooting the messenger but it sounds like another cliche thought of by an advisor at cental office..

lets predict now that in 5 years it will not have achieved its goals...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You mean like parenting classes and that type of thing?

Seems like a good idea, so long as it is done to support people and not deprive them of their freedom.

Kids don't come with an instruction manual lol"

Perhaps they should, well at least the concept. We have pre-natal classes, why not post-natal parenting guidance too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

that is currently being addressed under the "Skills for Life" programme in numeracy and literacy. It is not obligatory however, but it is free.

not shooting the messenger but it sounds like another cliche thought of by an advisor at cental office..

lets predict now that in 5 years it will not have achieved its goals...

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That's a bit sceptical. The skills for life programme has enabled many people to catch up on education they missed (perhaps due to slack parenting) but for many other reasons also. Get better jobs, improve their lifestyle and enable them to continue with more education if they wish.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Some of us manage to decide how many children we can afford, how we are going to educate them, raise them to be responsible, hardworking members of society without hand holding and education programmes.

I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, raised on a council estate went to the local comprehensive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The state owes children an education. It's the parents who should be showing them how to be decent human beings. It's not the child lacking those skills - it's the parent.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Childrens education should start the moment they are born, its up to the parents to teach them life skills, social interaction, school is to educate the subjects that are important through life and cant be taught by parents. Sadly so many parents today plonk their children in front of the television whilst there sitting on facebook all day.

Life experiences, social skills and good old fashioned common sense are the most important things you can teach your children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

that is currently being addressed under the "Skills for Life" programme in numeracy and literacy. It is not obligatory however, but it is free.

not shooting the messenger but it sounds like another cliche thought of by an advisor at cental office..

lets predict now that in 5 years it will not have achieved its goals...

That's a bit sceptical. The skills for life programme has enabled many people to catch up on education they missed (perhaps due to slack parenting) but for many other reasons also. Get better jobs, improve their lifestyle and enable them to continue with more education if they wish."

I have dislexia that was not picked up at school. I now do skills for life and am taking the exam in English tomorrow and be doing maths next academic year. Better late than never.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

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"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

that is currently being addressed under the "Skills for Life" programme in numeracy and literacy. It is not obligatory however, but it is free.

not shooting the messenger but it sounds like another cliche thought of by an advisor at cental office..

lets predict now that in 5 years it will not have achieved its goals...

I have dislexia that was not picked up at school. I now do skills for life and am taking the exam in English tomorrow and be doing maths next academic year. Better late than never.

hope it goes well tomorrow.... good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

that is currently being addressed under the "Skills for Life" programme in numeracy and literacy. It is not obligatory however, but it is free.

not shooting the messenger but it sounds like another cliche thought of by an advisor at cental office..

lets predict now that in 5 years it will not have achieved its goals...

I have dislexia that was not picked up at school. I now do skills for life and am taking the exam in English tomorrow and be doing maths next academic year. Better late than never.

Good Luck with your exam

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

I recently visited another school to shadow some of their staff in lessons. In one of the year 7 classes (11 year olds) several of the kids were swearing quite badly - something we wouldn't tolerate at my school. When I asked what sanctions were used to combat this, I was told that when they had phoned the parents to tell them little Johnny was effing and blinding in class, they were met with the response 'so f***ing what? It's how we speak.'

How do you deal with parents like that? No amount of 'educating' them would change their basic ethos.

Not sure what the answer is but simply throwing money at a situation in the name of education won't resolve it. The problem is at a much deeper level.

Maybe gather a bunch of them up and force them to swap places with a family in the infamous Kibera slum town in Kenya for a year or so - that'd open their eyes a bit and make them realise just how bloody lucky they really are.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

This country:

too many are wrapped up in passing over to others all responsibility, to allow them to be free of any accountability.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I was quite an easy going parent, my son didnt have a lot of small rules, he had a few main rules and knew not to cross them, i sat him down and explained why we had to have certain rules, yes he could be a little bugger like all boys but he never broke any of my big rules

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks for the good luck messages I be glad when its Tuesday lol

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?"

I think education in its broad sense does start at home, is not solely down to school and it is not just the parents that bring up a child, it is actually the entire community with their different influences. In answer to your question, if educating the parents is needed to promote better education in children - then that to me is a very worthwhile cause that can surely benefit society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i believe this is a good idea, but what we would also need to do is have this approached in schools later years , so at least these teenage mothers that are dragged up can at least give there child the chance, and try and break the circle, ive noticed over the years in schools that alot is academic now, what happened to all the life skills i was taught cooking sewing , woodwork for boys, diy lessons, teach them about taxes, how to save etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have dislexia that was not picked up at school. I now do skills for life and am taking the exam in English tomorrow and be doing maths next academic year. Better late than never.

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Way to go girl ...All the very best

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

that is currently being addressed under the "Skills for Life" programme in numeracy and literacy. It is not obligatory however, but it is free.

not shooting the messenger but it sounds like another cliche thought of by an advisor at cental office..

lets predict now that in 5 years it will not have achieved its goals...

not deriding anyone who has improved their lot by whatever programme, applaud them tbh..

am sceptical and cynical of any government 'initiative' when the basics are not getting done..

yes some will need to'catch up', but too many kids are leaving primary without the basics..

something wrong with that i feel..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

that is currently being addressed under the "Skills for Life" programme in numeracy and literacy. It is not obligatory however, but it is free.

not shooting the messenger but it sounds like another cliche thought of by an advisor at cental office..

lets predict now that in 5 years it will not have achieved its goals...

I have dislexia that was not picked up at school. I now do skills for life and am taking the exam in English tomorrow and be doing maths next academic year. Better late than never.

have several family members in the same position with dyslexia, have posted before about how many over the last few decades have not been able to fullfill their potential due to the lack of support etc

good luck with the exam..

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

A child's brain is a quarter developed in its first year. By its fifth year, it is three-quarters developed.

So the time to make a difference to a child's life prospects is in those earliest years.

That's why I despair whenever I see money being pulled out of pre-school services.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ooooh ...never like it when some Government feels the need to thow our money at something.

The problems for kids start way before school and their education starts when they are born. Every child starts off the same (excluding disabilities but even then physical ones don't preclude good learning skills) and so its the parents' responsibility IMHO. Sadly we have allowed a system to emerge where parents can shelve this responsibility and get away with it.

Kids start school these days in nappies, not being able to dress themselves and no reading or writing skills at all. That is the parents fault. Easy courses were introduced and Exams were dumbed down to produce good league table listings and allow the Labour Government to say 'education has improved' when everyone knows it patently has not. That is a political fault.

Lets not forget that there children out there now with no skills to offer an employer having only ever known a Socialist education. That is our fault for tolerating failure and not standing up for our kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A child's brain is a quarter developed in its first year. By its fifth year, it is three-quarters developed.

So the time to make a difference to a child's life prospects is in those earliest years.

That's why I despair whenever I see money being pulled out of pre-school services.

....and why there is now a big push and more money going into pre school learning...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you for all the positive comments. There's some fantastic people on here x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wasn't Cameron talking about giving £100 tuition vouchers for parents who "Clearly haven't got a clue"

This is the same David Cameron who left his kid in a pub

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

would rather they pent on education than a high speed train link that nobody wants or would use

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wasn't Cameron talking about giving £100 tuition vouchers for parents who "Clearly haven't got a clue"

This is the same David Cameron who left his kid in a pub

Oh for chrissakes. The man is the PM and lives under intense security and we will never know if there was a security issue and they had to leave quickly. Someone screwed up but I am sure it was not for lack of thought by either of the Camerons who have to travel in seperate cars. Anyone who saw how the Camerons looked after and cared for their disabled son could never doubt their love for their children.

But hey don't let truth get in the way of a political dig...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Wasn't Cameron talking about giving £100 tuition vouchers for parents who "Clearly haven't got a clue"

This is the same David Cameron who left his kid in a pub

maybe he was just adding evidence to his claim...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"would rather they pent on education than a high speed train link that nobody wants or would use"

They are spending on Education. And how do you know no one wants or will not use the HS2 link? They said that about the Channel Tunnel ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wasn't Cameron talking about giving £100 tuition vouchers for parents who "Clearly haven't got a clue"

This is the same David Cameron who left his kid in a pub

But hey don't let truth get in the way of a political dig...

...add to that the fact that Cameron would be unwise to put his wife and kids in the same car as himself making them all a target for an assassins bomb.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But hey don't let truth get in the way of a political dig...

i wasn't making a political dig but you seem to have set yourself up as the tories defender.

my post contained two truths,unless your saying he didn't say some parents clearly don't have a clue and he didn't leave his kid in pub.don't let your politics get in the way of the truth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am fed up of the nanny state telling us how to be good parents yes some need more help than others but each child is different. The politicians took the power away from parents, teachers etc and wonders why this country has gone to pot. And don't get me started about them moving the goal posts I mean come on can't wean your baby till they are 6 months old now what's all that about x

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Wasn't Cameron talking about giving £100 tuition vouchers for parents who "Clearly haven't got a clue"

This is the same David Cameron who left his kid in a pub

But hey don't let truth get in the way of a political dig...

its the double standards which rankle..

he leaves his kid in a pub its excused cos of his position, mix up, two cars, security etc..

somebody from an estate, bad parent have'nt a clue...

exactly the same with the K2 tax issue and the 'comedian'..

but then no mention of his own dads offshore funds and his chums who contribute to the tory party..

he is'nt the first to do this in power, they all do so and will in future..

just accept he is of the same double standards as the rest of them..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

possibly yes, as long as it includes things like, manners, basic first aid, how to actually 'do up' a pair of jeans and not have them half way down the arse etc

then again given the basic failings in literacy and numeracy of some when they leave primary school...

maybe address that first,..

that is currently being addressed under the "Skills for Life" programme in numeracy and literacy. It is not obligatory however, but it is free.

not shooting the messenger but it sounds like another cliche thought of by an advisor at cental office..

lets predict now that in 5 years it will not have achieved its goals...

I have dislexia that was not picked up at school. I now do skills for life and am taking the exam in English tomorrow and be doing maths next academic year. Better late than never.

All the best with your exam tomorrow

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

"I am fed up of the nanny state telling us how to be good parents yes some need more help than others but each child is different. The politicians took the power away from parents, teachers etc and wonders why this country has gone to pot. And don't get me started about them moving the goal posts I mean come on can't wean your baby till they are 6 months old now what's all that about x"

Who says you can't? A recommendation isn't law. After taking on board any recommendations, parents are within their rights to wean their baby when they feel it's right to do so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i wasn't making a political dig but you seem to have set yourself up as the tories defender.

my post contained two truths,unless your saying he didn't say some parents clearly don't have a clue and he didn't leave his kid in pub.don't let your politics get in the way of the truth"

It blatantly was a political dig and yes I will defend my political beliefs as I will defend your right to have yours. Someone has to in here given the way so many Threads are politicised when people run out of thoughtful and helpful things to add to a topic.

I wouldn't have said 'some parents' I would have said 'many parents' and yes his kid was left in a pub, by mistake, for whatever reason for 15 minutes with people that she knew.

Not sure quite what that has to do with the OP's Thread though ..

So enlighten me what is 'the truth'?

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By *ourbonKissMan
over a year ago

a land up north..... of leicester

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?"

Yes, my parents owns an off licence.... When I help him them out at weekends I always see kids who must like 13ish unable to do simple maths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Parents don't give a shit now to busy drinking withe em "

Not all parents!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will defend my political beliefs as I will defend your right to have yours.

Jumping up and down everytime a comment is construed to be anti tory doesn't suggest your defending anyones beliefs other than your own. and you do it all the time. a lot. you don't know my political beliefs so you don't know if it was a dig. maybe i just think the man's a cunt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about the so-called "bad" parents having tehmselves grown up in an underpriviledged environment, a culture of TV dinners and no healp with reading at home? What about if those parents who genuinely dont know any better... actually got some help? What about the teenage mums, many of whom really do not have a clue how to bring up a child - instead of criticising which is unhelpful, why not try and find ways to re-educate them and support them so that the next generation has a better chance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about the so-called "bad" parents having themselves grown up in an underprivileged environment, a culture of TV dinners and no help with reading at home? What about if those parents who genuinely dont know any better... actually got some help? What about the teenage mums, many of whom really do not have a clue how to bring up a child - instead of criticising which is unhelpful, why not try and find ways to re-educate them and support them so that the next generation has a better chance? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?"

I really don't see why this can't be incorporated into the current academic structure. They do drugs and sex awareness so why not take on other social skills.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Should there be an increase in education funding to finance a programme aimed at making parents aware of their responsibities in preparing their children for civic life?

I really don't see why this can't be incorporated into the current academic structure. They do drugs and sex awareness so why not take on other social skills."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will defend my political beliefs as I will defend your right to have yours.

You are right I do defend my own beliefs and no one elses. A lot. But then there are a lot on here who make accusations that need an alternative _iew. Simples!

Well if you think the man is a cunt it says more about you than my beliefs or the man himself. What I also said was I defend your right to have yours even when I disagree with them. Which I do on both counts.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ooooh ...never like it when some Government feels the need to thow our money at something.

This is just silly. Britain has never had socialism and therefore its children have never had a 'socialist education".

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Ooooh ...never like it when some Government feels the need to thow our money at something.

This is just silly. Britain has never had socialism and therefore its children have never had a 'socialist education".

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over a year ago

"Ooooh ...never like it when some Government feels the need to thow our money at something.

This is just silly. Britain has never had socialism and therefore its children have never had a 'socialist education".

OK one word is wrong but the point I was making was it is OUR fault for allowing it to happen to our kids. And how about the other points? Whatever the politics isn't it true that kids coming out of school are nowhere near prepared enough for the real world?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Whatever the politics isn't it true that kids coming out of school are nowhere near prepared enough for the real world?"
I would partially agree with this statement - and I feel it is a joint responsibility of parents, teachers and the entire community. From that stance, lets equip those who have that responsibillity at the front with the right resources, including parenting skills classes...

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