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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

i have a friend who goes on about how kind to the enviroment his electric car is, i mention the fact that he has to charge it from a power station, and that the batteries are made of very nasty things that need to be mined in third world countries, he just cant see the damage, im not saying petrol or deisal is perfect, but over the life of a vahicle, its probably no worse than a electric car, taking into acount the building of them, so electric isnt the answer, i dont whant this to be a row about how electric is better or worse, but niether are the answer, so what is?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Yes, but the money is in developing electric cars, so that's what you'll get.

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By *apunzel the CocksuckerWoman
over a year ago

Here

You have to have one 13 years before they become environmentaly friendly they say.

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK


"i have a friend who goes on about how kind to the enviroment his electric car is, i mention the fact that he has to charge it from a power station, and that the batteries are made of very nasty things that need to be mined in third world countries, he just cant see the damage, im not saying petrol or deisal is perfect, but over the life of a vahicle, its probably no worse than a electric car, taking into acount the building of them, so electric isnt the answer, i dont whant this to be a row about how electric is better or worse, but niether are the answer, so what is?

"

Electric is far better over the cars lifetime than diesel or petrol..

People always mention the “power station” problem with electric cars while simultaneously ignoring the fact that diesel and petrol doesn’t magically appear.

Oil refineries use a massive amount of energy from power stations and actually burning gas and oil themselves just to make Petrol and Diesel, not to mention the drilling for oil and the environmental cost of shipping it worldwide in massive tankers.

As for the batteries in electric cars, they use the same materials in petrol and diesel cars to produce and run the in car entertainment systems and engine management systems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wait until they start getting old and need new batteries then we will see how environmentally friendly they are. What do you do with the old dead ones????

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK


"Wait until they start getting old and need new batteries then we will see how environmentally friendly they are. What do you do with the old dead ones????"

They’re recyclable

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"i have a friend who goes on about how kind to the enviroment his electric car is, i mention the fact that he has to charge it from a power station, and that the batteries are made of very nasty things that need to be mined in third world countries, he just cant see the damage, im not saying petrol or deisal is perfect, but over the life of a vahicle, its probably no worse than a electric car, taking into acount the building of them, so electric isnt the answer, i dont whant this to be a row about how electric is better or worse, but niether are the answer, so what is?

Electric is far better over the cars lifetime than diesel or petrol..

People always mention the “power station” problem with electric cars while simultaneously ignoring the fact that diesel and petrol doesn’t magically appear.

Oil refineries use a massive amount of energy from power stations and actually burning gas and oil themselves just to make Petrol and Diesel, not to mention the drilling for oil and the environmental cost of shipping it worldwide in massive tankers.

As for the batteries in electric cars, they use the same materials in petrol and diesel cars to produce and run the in car entertainment systems and engine management systems "

im sorry thats not true, the huge batteries needed to power an electric car have no comparison to normal cars, and are mainly made of very nasty stuff, most cant be recycled, i do agree that petrol etc needs refining, i never said it was perfect, and also agree that we need to find something better, but electric isnt it. my question was, whats better?

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK


"i have a friend who goes on about how kind to the enviroment his electric car is, i mention the fact that he has to charge it from a power station, and that the batteries are made of very nasty things that need to be mined in third world countries, he just cant see the damage, im not saying petrol or deisal is perfect, but over the life of a vahicle, its probably no worse than a electric car, taking into acount the building of them, so electric isnt the answer, i dont whant this to be a row about how electric is better or worse, but niether are the answer, so what is?

Electric is far better over the cars lifetime than diesel or petrol..

People always mention the “power station” problem with electric cars while simultaneously ignoring the fact that diesel and petrol doesn’t magically appear.

Oil refineries use a massive amount of energy from power stations and actually burning gas and oil themselves just to make Petrol and Diesel, not to mention the drilling for oil and the environmental cost of shipping it worldwide in massive tankers.

As for the batteries in electric cars, they use the same materials in petrol and diesel cars to produce and run the in car entertainment systems and engine management systems

im sorry thats not true, the huge batteries needed to power an electric car have no comparison to normal cars, and are mainly made of very nasty stuff, most cant be recycled, i do agree that petrol etc needs refining, i never said it was perfect, and also agree that we need to find something better, but electric isnt it. my question was, whats better?"

With current technology there is nothing better than electric, sorry

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By *rAitchMan
over a year ago

Diagonally Parked in a Parallel Universe

Hydrogen is the way forward. The only by-product is water.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wait until they start getting old and need new batteries then we will see how environmentally friendly they are. What do you do with the old dead ones????

They’re recyclable"

most arent

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hydrogen is the way forward. The only by-product is water.

"

i would agree, but it takes huge amounts of power to make it into a fuel suitable for a car, many big car companies, including honda have tried, but cant make it work well enough, so thats better but still not the answer

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK


"Wait until they start getting old and need new batteries then we will see how environmentally friendly they are. What do you do with the old dead ones????

They’re recyclable

most arent"

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/can-electric-car-batteries-be-recycled.htm

Yes they are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bookmarking this, I am an automotive engineering student. Not weighing in, just find it interesting to see what people think!

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

In case anyone is wondering if I’m some sort of extinction rebellion type that wants to bring down the oil industry...

I’m a process operator at one of the UK’s 6 oil refineries. I actually help make Petrol, Diesel and Hydrogen...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Bookmarking this, I am an automotive engineering student. Not weighing in, just find it interesting to see what people think! "

i work as a racecar engineer, so know a little about cars, and have worked on electric race cars, the tech isnt ready, and the batteries that give decent power cant be recycled, they have to be buried when dead as there is no safe way of disposing of them, lythium is dodgy stuff. a team i know had a car catch fire, it took out a whole street of houses and units, as the fire dept couldnt put it out

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By *rAitchMan
over a year ago

Diagonally Parked in a Parallel Universe

The other option is to go back to horse and carriages, but the amount of methane farted by the horses would cause more global warming, so I think I'll stick with petrol/diesel

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

atleast horses farts smell better than burnt diesal lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Electric motors with hydrogen fuel cells. They just haven't developed it yet. One could power a T800 for 120 years

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By *adbod74Man
over a year ago

Dudley

Electric cars while on the surface seem great, but there worse in the long run atm, the tech is way behind, take 10 year old Nissan leaf, a full charge via a proper charger.... 35 miles at best, the car is worthless as the battery pack costs more to replace than the car..... I drive a 1.0 turbo petrol fucus the new 1, 50mpg 20 a year road tax and in ten years I'll still get 400+ miles on a full tank, so for me electric is still in its very virgin state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An end to private car ownership is the only truly sustainable solution. The population is too large and the world's resources are too small.

Zero energy private transport together with clean efficient public transport is the right way forward.

It will never happen though. Too much money to be made and egos to stroke.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Electric cars while on the surface seem great, but there worse in the long run atm, the tech is way behind, take 10 year old Nissan leaf, a full charge via a proper charger.... 35 miles at best, the car is worthless as the battery pack costs more to replace than the car..... I drive a 1.0 turbo petrol fucus the new 1, 50mpg 20 a year road tax and in ten years I'll still get 400+ miles on a full tank, so for me electric is still in its very virgin state. "

my point entirely, so is anyone developing a better way is my question, and if not why not????

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"An end to private car ownership is the only truly sustainable solution. The population is too large and the world's resources are too small.

Zero energy private transport together with clean efficient public transport is the right way forward.

It will never happen though. Too much money to be made and egos to stroke. "

sounds great, but what if i want to go to tesco at 11 pm, and want to go from my door to the shop, its never going to work, we are too used to the freedom of a car, we just need to find a way to power them better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another problem is although you don't burn diesel or petrol, plastics and rubber are still needed from crude oil to make tyres etc. You hsve to extract the crude oil before refining / distilling into its constituents so my question ; whst do you do with the diesel and petrol elements?!

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK


"Electric cars while on the surface seem great, but there worse in the long run atm, the tech is way behind, take 10 year old Nissan leaf, a full charge via a proper charger.... 35 miles at best, the car is worthless as the battery pack costs more to replace than the car..... I drive a 1.0 turbo petrol fucus the new 1, 50mpg 20 a year road tax and in ten years I'll still get 400+ miles on a full tank, so for me electric is still in its very virgin state.

my point entirely, so is anyone developing a better way is my question, and if not why not????"

Battery tech is evolving all the time, and as I stated previously, electric is the best technology currently being developed.

I’d also agree that the REAL solution is to massively reduce or eliminate private vehicle ownership altogether

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK


"Another problem is although you don't burn diesel or petrol, plastics and rubber are still needed from crude oil to make tyres etc. You hsve to extract the crude oil before refining / distilling into its constituents so my question ; whst do you do with the diesel and petrol elements?! "

You don’t actually need to use crude oil to make some plastics and rubber nowadays, there are methods that use ethanol and other plant based oils and some fully synthetic ones too

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Another problem is although you don't burn diesel or petrol, plastics and rubber are still needed from crude oil to make tyres etc. You hsve to extract the crude oil before refining / distilling into its constituents so my question ; whst do you do with the diesel and petrol elements?! "

petrol and diesal are refined differently, so not an issue, just more oil for something else, and im sure we could make tyres out of something else if we had to

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By *ent in BlackMan
over a year ago

Silsden

I drive a mini 1.6 diesel and generally drive between 200-300 miles a day. I get over 60mpg and £20 a year tax. I couldn’t get an electric car to suit my work, otherwise I would.

My wife drives a 3l v6 jag diesel gets 45mpg and drives around 100 miles a day. She could possibly manage with electric but still would be limited.

If they were more affordable and could cover the miles I’d have one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will they become cheaper?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"An end to private car ownership is the only truly sustainable solution. The population is too large and the world's resources are too small.

Zero energy private transport together with clean efficient public transport is the right way forward.

It will never happen though. Too much money to be made and egos to stroke.

sounds great, but what if i want to go to tesco at 11 pm, and want to go from my door to the shop, its never going to work, we are too used to the freedom of a car, we just need to find a way to power them better"

We need to make sacrifices for the greater good.

Maybe recognise that freedom from pollution and congestion is more valuable than freedom to go to tescos late at night?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i have a friend who goes on about how kind to the enviroment his electric car is, i mention the fact that he has to charge it from a power station, and that the batteries are made of very nasty things that need to be mined in third world countries, he just cant see the damage, im not saying petrol or deisal is perfect, but over the life of a vahicle, its probably no worse than a electric car, taking into acount the building of them, so electric isnt the answer, i dont whant this to be a row about how electric is better or worse, but niether are the answer, so what is?

"

Bycicles!

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

I was in a discussion with someone who advised me that a company had developed an electric passenger aeroplane, now that is a tad spooky.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

Are we all not missing the point lorries and busses burn much more then cars Hydrogen for big vechcals look at the big then work it down to the small use

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

Teleportation is the future.

There's just a couple of issues to sort out.

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By *eneral HysteriaMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"i have a friend who goes on about how kind to the enviroment his electric car is, i mention the fact that he has to charge it from a power station, and that the batteries are made of very nasty things that need to be mined in third world countries, he just cant see the damage, im not saying petrol or deisal is perfect, but over the life of a vahicle, its probably no worse than a electric car, taking into acount the building of them, so electric isnt the answer, i dont whant this to be a row about how electric is better or worse, but niether are the answer, so what is?

"

Bicycle.

Most economical, environmentally friendly and efficient.

A bicycle goes 3,000 miles on the energy equivalent of one gallon of petrol. The most fuel-efficient cars go only about 100 miles on a gallon of petrol.

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By *imbobaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I can get my scaletrix set up if you like?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"i have a friend who goes on about how kind to the enviroment his electric car is, i mention the fact that he has to charge it from a power station, and that the batteries are made of very nasty things that need to be mined in third world countries, he just cant see the damage, im not saying petrol or deisal is perfect, but over the life of a vahicle, its probably no worse than a electric car, taking into acount the building of them, so electric isnt the answer, i dont whant this to be a row about how electric is better or worse, but niether are the answer, so what is?

Bicycle.

Most economical, environmentally friendly and efficient.

A bicycle goes 3,000 miles on the energy equivalent of one gallon of petrol. The most fuel-efficient cars go only about 100 miles on a gallon of petrol."

1 gallon of petrol = 1 McDonald’s dinner.....I’m guessing you’d need more than 1 maccas to cycle 3000 miles!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Do your research well.

Global heating is a catastrophic problem that has been fuelled in great part by our abuse of oil.

These first vehicles are transitional and will probably be superseded by alternatives. We have to stop using oil for power as well as ad reduce the pollution levels that kill tens of thousands a year.

Production efficiencies will also reduce the impact of the earlier lower volume vehicles.

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By *eneral HysteriaMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"

1 gallon of petrol = 1 McDonald’s dinner.....I’m guessing you’d need more than 1 maccas to cycle 3000 miles!"

How big is this 'dinner'?

1 Gallon of petrol =

28,746.746 Kilocalories

Does the dinner have 28,746.746 Kilocalories in it?

I suspect not.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"

1 gallon of petrol = 1 McDonald’s dinner.....I’m guessing you’d need more than 1 maccas to cycle 3000 miles!

How big is this 'dinner'?

1 Gallon of petrol =

28,746.746 Kilocalories

Does the dinner have 28,746.746 Kilocalories in it?

I suspect not."

Yep, see your point, but if I need 28000000 calories that will equate to quite a few Big Macs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The electric car is about air quality. Ridding the world of diesels is the best thing that could happen.

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant

Today I have to drive to our office, 45 miles, no electric charging points at the office. Then I have to drive 250 miles South and work on a building site for 2 days. Guess what no charging points at the major hotel chain we stay at or on the unfinished building site. Then I have a day around London on various sites before a 250 mile drive home. All with a vehicle full of tools and materials.

Before I do all this I will spend 5 minutes at the most filling my diesel tank up which will last all week and into next, I will get 60 to 65 mpg on the motorway.

To be honest there is no alternative.

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By *melia DominaTV/TS
over a year ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)


"Hydrogen is the way forward. The only by-product is water. "

Completely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are alternatives which would cut emissions in the short term however they would be intrusive and cut down on choice and liberties.

End the school run, kids go to the nearest school, not the school of choice.

Tax breaks as an incentive to work nearer to home. The more you travel the higher your tax bracket.

Tax break to not own a car.

Ban excessively large SUV’s and or a seat tax. How many people are driving around in a 5 -7 seater which most of the time is just the driver.

Stay of your smartphone. Endlessly updating your Twatter feed or Faecesbook is not necessary.

Regarding the actual fuel tech. Solar charging is getting more efficient with every generation and battery tech also.

Take a look at Tesla’s house roof charging tech and battery storage. It’s able to supply a modest house with power for a whole day and the battery is not huge.

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By *illiam101000Man
over a year ago

Melton Mowbray

If we go through with rapid change to electric cars the main material used in the modern battery is lithium. Lithium will run out in approximately 30years. Its mined mainly in South America and needs transport. The modern battery is still only 73% efficient. So unless efficiency or how battery's are made I don't think its a complete answer.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"There are alternatives which would cut emissions in the short term however they would be intrusive and cut down on choice and liberties.

End the school run, kids go to the nearest school, not the school of choice.

Tax breaks as an incentive to work nearer to home. The more you travel the higher your tax bracket.

Tax break to not own a car.

Ban excessively large SUV’s and or a seat tax. How many people are driving around in a 5 -7 seater which most of the time is just the driver.

Stay of your smartphone. Endlessly updating your Twatter feed or Faecesbook is not necessary.

Regarding the actual fuel tech. Solar charging is getting more efficient with every generation and battery tech also.

Take a look at Tesla’s house roof charging tech and battery storage. It’s able to supply a modest house with power for a whole day and the battery is not huge.

"

Yes, we definitely need more tax. That’s always the solution to any political problem.

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

Electric cars need regular charging from the grid? News to me, I thought they where powered by the power of their owners smugness?

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By *ing_Wookie_RodeoMan
over a year ago

stockport wasteland

OP bare in m8nd batteries in forklift trucks that are electric can be filled with water and the electric that you xould charge tje car with could come from solar power, wind or even water. Its just advances the technology and world has to make. Where as petrol and diesel the only advamces that seem to get made is the horse power

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry


"OP bare in m8nd batteries in forklift trucks that are electric can be filled with water and the electric that you xould charge tje car with could come from solar power, wind or even water. Its just advances the technology and world has to make. Where as petrol and diesel the only advamces that seem to get made is the horse power"

With the demand for electric consuming everything rapidly rising across the globe green electricity production is only part of the answer. We need to look at developing tech to increase the efficiency of electric powered devices, especially heavy devices. So much energy is post in heat. If we don't make advances in efficiency to power a world full of electric cars and machines on green fuel we'd probably have to cover the earth in wind farms and solar station.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From someone thats had a bmw i3 electric i can say they're fantastic over the 7 years i had it range didnt drop and racked up 140k miles comuting from derby to london. It was great, as for the answer to the global problem... no. The grid couldnt cope if everyone had them. Hydrogen isnt the answer ive been on development for alternative powered trains ...hydrogen has many downfalls and isnt the answer.

In my personal experience with working within that sector hybrid is the answer and i think every engine produced will be a electric/petrol engine before long.

The issue globally is 'air quality'nothing is good for the environment but we can improve air quality. All my projects all come down to clean air quality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I like the idea of electric vehicles but I won't own one for three reasons

1 The range, some are promoting a good range but how does that work in every day life when you are using the wipers, lights, heater, radio, windows etc all of these are going to affect the range.

2 The cost, at the moment not including the twizzy at 11K they start at around 18K for the smallest least practical cars.

3 basically they are all ugly to look at, even the mini e looks like a normal car then they add wheels that look like they are front a lego set and other adornments to make them ugly

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"From someone thats had a bmw i3 electric i can say they're fantastic over the 7 years i had it range didnt drop and racked up 140k miles comuting from derby to london. It was great, as for the answer to the global problem... no. The grid couldnt cope if everyone had them. Hydrogen isnt the answer ive been on development for alternative powered trains ...hydrogen has many downfalls and isnt the answer.

In my personal experience with working within that sector hybrid is the answer and i think every engine produced will be a electric/petrol engine before long.

The issue globally is 'air quality'nothing is good for the environment but we can improve air quality. All my projects all come down to clean air quality. "

agree

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By *ongueTwistererMan
over a year ago

telford/ shrewsbury/ bridgnorth/ wolverhampton

The fork lift truck i drive at work is electric and the battery is massive. I always wondered why in the charging shelter it had a no smoking sign so i asked the mechanic and he was saying when the battery is charging it gives off a gas thats flamable and said if someone was to spark a fag up in there they probly go bang

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By *tuartieMan
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

You talk the biggest load of crap, Razor. Lithium batties are nasty bits of work toxic and definitely not environmentally friendly .some airlines won't transport them.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"From someone thats had a bmw i3 electric i can say they're fantastic over the 7 years i had it range didnt drop and racked up 140k miles comuting from derby to london. It was great, as for the answer to the global problem... no. The grid couldnt cope if everyone had them. Hydrogen isnt the answer ive been on development for alternative powered trains ...hydrogen has many downfalls and isnt the answer.

In my personal experience with working within that sector hybrid is the answer and i think every engine produced will be a electric/petrol engine before long.

The issue globally is 'air quality'nothing is good for the environment but we can improve air quality. All my projects all come down to clean air quality. "

Sounds good, But you “Only” had it seven years, where is it now? & why was it changed?

A cars whole life emissions no matter what it’s power train are mostly in its manufacture & transport to market.

Ergo if you want to be as green as you can you need to keep any car until it falls apart underneath you no matter what it emits.

As an aside I find it ironic as an lpg car driver that Shell are removing lpg pumps at the same time as theGovernment are giving grants of £10k so that city cabs can convert to it & although small fry in car terms Dacia announced that for £400 any vehicle in their range can come with factory fitted LPG something they’ve done in mainland Europe for over a decade.

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By *unmatt888Man
over a year ago

Duns


"You talk the biggest load of crap, Razor. Lithium batties are nasty bits of work toxic and definitely not environmentally friendly .some airlines won't transport them. "

For balance, airlines also won't allow you to carry petrol or diesel.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Wait until they start getting old and need new batteries then we will see how environmentally friendly they are. What do you do with the old dead ones????"

They can remain efficient enough to be used in power banks for energy storage long after they are no longer fit for a car

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"You talk the biggest load of crap, Razor. Lithium batties are nasty bits of work toxic and definitely not environmentally friendly .some airlines won't transport them. "

Not due to toxicity but due to fire risk. Punch a nail though a phone battery and watch what happens. Have done it accidentally myself. Don’t do it indoors. Actually best not do it at all, go watch some other fool do it on you tube.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From someone thats had a bmw i3 electric i can say they're fantastic over the 7 years i had it range didnt drop and racked up 140k miles comuting from derby to london. It was great, as for the answer to the global problem... no. The grid couldnt cope if everyone had them. Hydrogen isnt the answer ive been on development for alternative powered trains ...hydrogen has many downfalls and isnt the answer.

In my personal experience with working within that sector hybrid is the answer and i think every engine produced will be a electric/petrol engine before long.

The issue globally is 'air quality'nothing is good for the environment but we can improve air quality. All my projects all come down to clean air quality.

Sounds good, But you “Only” had it seven years, where is it now? & why was it changed?

A cars whole life emissions no matter what it’s power train are mostly in its manufacture & transport to market.

Ergo if you want to be as green as you can you need to keep any car until it falls apart underneath you no matter what it emits.

As an aside I find it ironic as an lpg car driver that Shell are removing lpg pumps at the same time as theGovernment are giving grants of £10k so that city cabs can convert to it & although small fry in car terms Dacia announced that for £400 any vehicle in their range can come with factory fitted LPG something they’ve done in mainland Europe for over a decade.

S"

Seven years of full on abuse. Its under a cover on my parents farm... only reason ive not sold it is ive never in 7 years cleaned it, its bumped scratched abused... it was a ugly tool for a purpose of cheap transport.

I only travel 4 miles each way to work now (not 125 miles each way so use my V8 petrol ford f150 as i need carry space. If they bought a hybrid pickup truck out id have one in a heartbeat

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"i have a friend who goes on about how kind to the enviroment his electric car is, i mention the fact that he has to charge it from a power station, and that the batteries are made of very nasty things that need to be mined in third world countries, he just cant see the damage, im not saying petrol or deisal is perfect, but over the life of a vahicle, its probably no worse than a electric car, taking into acount the building of them, so electric isnt the answer, i dont whant this to be a row about how electric is better or worse, but niether are the answer, so what is?

Electric is far better over the cars lifetime than diesel or petrol..

People always mention the “power station” problem with electric cars while simultaneously ignoring the fact that diesel and petrol doesn’t magically appear.

Oil refineries use a massive amount of energy from power stations and actually burning gas and oil themselves just to make Petrol and Diesel, not to mention the drilling for oil and the environmental cost of shipping it worldwide in massive tankers.

As for the batteries in electric cars, they use the same materials in petrol and diesel cars to produce and run the in car entertainment systems and engine management systems "

You write about a selection of the environmental damage only whilst forgetting that for an electric cars batteries to be charged... The power comes from somewhere that is producing emissions and waste products.

Charging points need to be built, distributed and installed.

Batteries need to be produced using rare minerals that need to be mined and transported to factories in China which them send batteries around the world

... Where does the energy going into mining and transporting those materials come from. Batteries only last 5 years ish before needing replacement.... What happens to the disgarded batteries and their toxic waste? It is far to glib and indeed false to look only at one aspect of electric cars.... Its refuelling.

By far the largest pollution comes not from consumer car travel and Chelsea tractors... But from large industry to produce them, the logistics to support the production process and end product distribution and other consumer products. Emissions from cars are a drop in the ocean.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"From someone thats had a bmw i3 electric i can say they're fantastic over the 7 years i had it range didnt drop and racked up 140k miles comuting from derby to london. It was great, as for the answer to the global problem... no. The grid couldnt cope if everyone had them. Hydrogen isnt the answer ive been on development for alternative powered trains ...hydrogen has many downfalls and isnt the answer.

In my personal experience with working within that sector hybrid is the answer and i think every engine produced will be a electric/petrol engine before long.

The issue globally is 'air quality'nothing is good for the environment but we can improve air quality. All my projects all come down to clean air quality.

Sounds good, But you “Only” had it seven years, where is it now? & why was it changed?

A cars whole life emissions no matter what it’s power train are mostly in its manufacture & transport to market.

Ergo if you want to be as green as you can you need to keep any car until it falls apart underneath you no matter what it emits.

As an aside I find it ironic as an lpg car driver that Shell are removing lpg pumps at the same time as theGovernment are giving grants of £10k so that city cabs can convert to it & although small fry in car terms Dacia announced that for £400 any vehicle in their range can come with factory fitted LPG something they’ve done in mainland Europe for over a decade.

S

Seven years of full on abuse. Its under a cover on my parents farm... only reason ive not sold it is ive never in 7 years cleaned it, its bumped scratched abused... it was a ugly tool for a purpose of cheap transport.

I only travel 4 miles each way to work now (not 125 miles each way so use my V8 petrol ford f150 as i need carry space. If they bought a hybrid pickup truck out id have one in a heartbeat "

Be interested to see how the batteries deal with lots of downtime, long term my money would be on not very well from my use of Lithium batteries on bikes although obviously of a differing make up.

S

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"i have a friend who goes on about how kind to the enviroment his electric car is, i mention the fact that he has to charge it from a power station, and that the batteries are made of very nasty things that need to be mined in third world countries, he just cant see the damage, im not saying petrol or deisal is perfect, but over the life of a vahicle, its probably no worse than a electric car, taking into acount the building of them, so electric isnt the answer, i dont whant this to be a row about how electric is better or worse, but niether are the answer, so what is?

Electric is far better over the cars lifetime than diesel or petrol..

People always mention the “power station” problem with electric cars while simultaneously ignoring the fact that diesel and petrol doesn’t magically appear.

Oil refineries use a massive amount of energy from power stations and actually burning gas and oil themselves just to make Petrol and Diesel, not to mention the drilling for oil and the environmental cost of shipping it worldwide in massive tankers.

As for the batteries in electric cars, they use the same materials in petrol and diesel cars to produce and run the in car entertainment systems and engine management systems

You write about a selection of the environmental damage only whilst forgetting that for an electric cars batteries to be charged... The power comes from somewhere that is producing emissions and waste products.

Charging points need to be built, distributed and installed.

Batteries need to be produced using rare minerals that need to be mined and transported to factories in China which them send batteries around the world

... Where does the energy going into mining and transporting those materials come from. Batteries only last 5 years ish before needing replacement.... What happens to the disgarded batteries and their toxic waste? It is far to glib and indeed false to look only at one aspect of electric cars.... Its refuelling.

By far the largest pollution comes not from consumer car travel and Chelsea tractors... But from large industry to produce them, the logistics to support the production process and end product distribution and other consumer products. Emissions from cars are a drop in the ocean. "

As I said in my post, if you want to be green just keep whatever you are driving till it falls apart around you.

S

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

Electric is the future, but everything out there is a terrible car at the moment. All the Tesla’s are one trick ponies but shocking cars in themselves , once the big brands start making their main models electric the likes of Tesla will be a foot note, and move on to being battery suppliers. I think in 5 years we will see some really interesting cars coming out.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"Electric is the future, but everything out there is a terrible car at the moment. All the Tesla’s are one trick ponies but shocking cars in themselves , once the big brands start making their main models electric the likes of Tesla will be a foot note, and move on to being battery suppliers. I think in 5 years we will see some really interesting cars coming out."

A wealthy friend of ours traded a BMW i8 for a model 3 Tesla. He said the BMW was shocking the amount of times something failed or didn’t work. The Tesla has yet to give any issues is as fast as they say (Faster than the i8) & does the range they say regularly, something the BMW never managed in the 18mnths he had it.

S

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know that battery tech and how we charge electric vehicles is a developing area and a lot of the issues require a lot of thought but I saw a video of the Audi E-Tron saloon yesterday and its enough to make me want one dispite the issues

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Electric is the future, but everything out there is a terrible car at the moment. All the Tesla’s are one trick ponies but shocking cars in themselves , once the big brands start making their main models electric the likes of Tesla will be a foot note, and move on to being battery suppliers. I think in 5 years we will see some really interesting cars coming out."

"shocking" pun intended?

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

I went for a fab social meet once and all he talked about was bloody electric cars. I nearly fell asleep.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I went for a fab social meet once and all he talked about was bloody electric cars. I nearly fell asleep."

No spark?

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"I went for a fab social meet once and all he talked about was bloody electric cars. I nearly fell asleep."

Don't, We've had them before & all we talked about were motorbikes.

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By *ing_Wookie_RodeoMan
over a year ago

stockport wasteland


"OP bare in m8nd batteries in forklift trucks that are electric can be filled with water and the electric that you xould charge tje car with could come from solar power, wind or even water. Its just advances the technology and world has to make. Where as petrol and diesel the only advamces that seem to get made is the horse power

With the demand for electric consuming everything rapidly rising across the globe green electricity production is only part of the answer. We need to look at developing tech to increase the efficiency of electric powered devices, especially heavy devices. So much energy is post in heat. If we don't make advances in efficiency to power a world full of electric cars and machines on green fuel we'd probably have to cover the earth in wind farms and solar station."
or we end up in something simular to the matrix lol

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