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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

if someone starts an inference that another person is grooming or a child abuser and that starts a series of events...

that person tells someone and they tell another and add to it, it grows and grows and becomes more wide spread. It starts a vigilante attack that leads to the person being injured/killed. They didn't start it with the intent of this happening, however, it did

Should the original person be held responsible in some way.

disclaimer... if my use of the word infer is out of context, apologies I counld'n't think of another.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Each case needs to be examined individually ,though incitement is a crime in some cases.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'd have thought it could come under 'malicious gossip' View. If it can be proven to have been deliberate.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Yes they are responsible in someway. There the ones that started it. Infering someone is a groomer or child abuser is an horrendous thing to do. Admittedly they wouldnt know how out of control it would get but they do have some responsibility to take.

I mean if i said to someone that i thought ****** was a sex abuser i would know full well they are not going to say oh ok and move on to the next subject.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Depending on the strength of the inference then yes. Every person in the chain is similarly responsible, perhaps more so, they could have let it drop or stop it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes imho I believe we are each responsible for all our actions - therefore if someone spreads rumour and gossip around without being 100% sure of it being factual then I believe they should be accountable ......... the message we all try to teach kids is that there are consquences to every action - some good some bad .........

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"I'd have thought it could come under 'malicious gossip' View. If it can be proven to have been deliberate."

agree Granny, mostly said without thinking thro the impact of once labelled, more difficult to shake it off

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Better still, do what we do here, hijack the inference and move onto something entirely different.

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


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Better still, do what we do here, hijack the inference and move onto something entirely different. "

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

thanks minx and diamond x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think the consequence is important - the fact remains that because it was inferred, action was taken because it was deemed that there was a minor or minors at risk.

Any potential risk would have been dealt with appropriately and the minors subsequently protected.

If there was no risk then no harm done.

Any resulting consequence whether there was actually someone at rick or not is immeterial, relax and be assured that you have done your moral duty.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

There is harm done. Harm to the accused but innocent.

Informing authorities to save a child from potential harm is comendable BUT whispering to neighbours is not. THAT kind of stuff sticks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a friend of mine after a night out took a woman home, the next morning she cried rape, my friend was taken into custody until the trial, he lost his job and house, at the trial it very quickly became clear that she had done this before twice, his face all over the papers named and shamed, hers never known.

he was cleared of any wrongdoing, but his life has been ruined.

as for her, well no punishment at all, and her life carries on as normal.

he was a very good friend, he has moved away and we havnt kept in touch alot, and i trust him, he told me it was her who instigated things not him!!!

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"There is harm done. Harm to the accused but innocent.

Informing authorities to save a child from potential harm is comendable BUT whispering to neighbours is not. THAT kind of stuff sticks. "

thanks Granny, that is exactly what I tried to say x

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"a friend of mine after a night out took a woman home, the next morning she cried rape, my friend was taken into custody until the trial, he lost his job and house, at the trial it very quickly became clear that she had done this before twice, his face all over the papers named and shamed, hers never known.

he was cleared of any wrongdoing, but his life has been ruined.

as for her, well no punishment at all, and her life carries on as normal.

he was a very good friend, he has moved away and we havnt kept in touch alot, and i trust him, he told me it was her who instigated things not him!!!"

Personally, i think the people who do this should get the same punishment that the accused could have got. A few years in chokey.

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"a friend of mine after a night out took a woman home, the next morning she cried rape, my friend was taken into custody until the trial, he lost his job and house, at the trial it very quickly became clear that she had done this before twice, his face all over the papers named and shamed, hers never known.

he was cleared of any wrongdoing, but his life has been ruined.

as for her, well no punishment at all, and her life carries on as normal.

he was a very good friend, he has moved away and we havnt kept in touch alot, and i trust him, he told me it was her who instigated things not him!!!

Personally, i think the people who do this should get the same punishment that the accused could have got. A few years in chokey."

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"a friend of mine after a night out took a woman home, the next morning she cried rape, my friend was taken into custody until the trial, he lost his job and house, at the trial it very quickly became clear that she had done this before twice, his face all over the papers named and shamed, hers never known.

he was cleared of any wrongdoing, but his life has been ruined.

as for her, well no punishment at all, and her life carries on as normal.

he was a very good friend, he has moved away and we havnt kept in touch alot, and i trust him, he told me it was her who instigated things not him!!!

Personally, i think the people who do this should get the same punishment that the accused could have got. A few years in chokey.

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And further, if it's true that she had done it twice previously then the latter two occasions may well not have occurred.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres places to go with concerns regarding children. A neighbour or friends isn't one of them

Get quite annoyed when folk have genuine concerns and don't act appropriately....far more fun to ruin someones life with malicious, unfounded gossip it seems

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By *iew OP   Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Theres places to go with concerns regarding children. A neighbour or friends isn't one of them

Get quite annoyed when folk have genuine concerns and don't act appropriately....far more fun to ruin someones life with malicious, unfounded gossip it seems "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally, i think the people who do this should get the same punishment that the accused could have got. A few years in chokey."

In principle I agree but it should never and will never be made law for one simple reason: genuine victims of crime would never come forward if a 'not guilty' verdict would result in them being sentenced themselves.

Naming and shaming on the other hand is a whole different matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yes, "inference" is definitely the wrong word!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"a friend of mine after a night out took a woman home, the next morning she cried rape, my friend was taken into custody until the trial, he lost his job and house, at the trial it very quickly became clear that she had done this before twice, his face all over the papers named and shamed, hers never known.

he was cleared of any wrongdoing, but his life has been ruined.

as for her, well no punishment at all, and her life carries on as normal.

he was a very good friend, he has moved away and we havnt kept in touch alot, and i trust him, he told me it was her who instigated things not him!!!

Personally, i think the people who do this should get the same punishment that the accused could have got. A few years in chokey.

And further, if it's true that she had done it twice previously then the latter two occasions may well not have occurred. "

Everybody has to be responsible for their action; we live ina s ociety where it does not take rocket science to work out that (untrue) allegations of this nature could seriously damage somebody's life - I am not sure how to resolve this but it should not be left ignored and the person who spread rumours in the first place should be held accountable. Then of course it depends on whether or not they acted on (misguided?) belief or out of malice?

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland


"I don't think the consequence is important - the fact remains that because it was inferred, action was taken because it was deemed that there was a minor or minors at risk.

Any potential risk would have been dealt with appropriately and the minors subsequently protected.

If there was no risk then no harm done.

Any resulting consequence whether there was actually someone at rick or not is immeterial, relax and be assured that you have done your moral duty."

Try telling that to someone who is wrongly accused as happened up here a few yrs ago the man was tormented and had windows smashed etc until he got out of town in a hurry and as it turned out he was completely innocent.

The consequences for him were very important and I would bet it has happened on more than one occasion, having said that if someone is definitely guilty then I wouldnt give a fig what happened to yhem.

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