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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though " It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E" What if both parents have been made redundant due to covid and can't get another job? | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E What if both parents have been made redundant due to covid and can't get another job?" air rifle plenty bunnys hoppin about | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix?" Because people should support and look after each other and encourage generosity. If you put everything on the government , you take away all personal responsibility to sort yourself or each other and become emotionless and that’s called communism. | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix?" Why should it be down to the govt to feed my kids? | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E" Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads  | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix?" There lies the problem | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E What if both parents have been made redundant due to covid and can't get another job?" Whilst I accept the point you’re making and agree to an extent it would have to be a cold day in hell before my pride at not stacking supermarket shelves or working night shifts at the biscuit factory stopped me feeding my kids. There’s work out there for everyone if you’re desperate enough to do anything. | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Because people should support and look after each other and encourage generosity. If you put everything on the government , you take away all personal responsibility to sort yourself or each other and become emotionless and that’s called communism. " That's not communism  | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E What if both parents have been made redundant due to covid and can't get another job?" Then they should be supported if possible. That's a terrible situation for anyone to be in. But heres the thing. People should be educated to save for the rainy day fund and take responsibility for their families. And if they are unable to. Should be supported until they are able to. | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E What if both parents have been made redundant due to covid and can't get another job?" In which case it would be nice to get assistance from the powers that be. I've been very lucky, when I've needed support through unemployment or illness, it's been there. Was it always enough, no. Regardless, the responsibility for spending that money wisely lies with me. E | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Because people should support and look after each other and encourage generosity. If you put everything on the government , you take away all personal responsibility to sort yourself or each other and become emotionless and that’s called communism. That's not communism "It kind of is , when all personal responsibility is taken away and the government just sort everything out, and it doesn’t work either, looking after yourself , your loved ones and your community , locally and globally is better. The government doesn’t have any money if it’s own, they just distribute other people’s money, and they do it badly and waste it usually, we can do a better job. | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E What if both parents have been made redundant due to covid and can't get another job? Then they should be supported if possible. That's a terrible situation for anyone to be in. But heres the thing. People should be educated to save for the rainy day fund and take responsibility for their families. And if they are unable to. Should be supported until they are able to. " I agree with nearly all of this. Except, so many families are living literally hand to mouth, the concept of money left over for a rainy day is an alien concept. It's just not possible. E | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads "This is absolutely spot on Downgrade your phone Sell the playstations Get rid of sky tv Stop smoking and drinking Ect ect Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Why should it be down to the govt to feed my kids? " This obviously isn't a scheme for those who can afford to. It's aimed at those who *can't* afford to feed their children. Disabilities, debt, and a million other reasons. Why does the child have to suffer for it? | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Why should it be down to the govt to feed my kids? This obviously isn't a scheme for those who can afford to. It's aimed at those who *can't* afford to feed their children. Disabilities, debt, and a million other reasons. Why does the child have to suffer for it?" There’s enough support already so no-one should go hungry in this country, obesity statistics in children and adults are also growing, more people doe of eating too much than too little. The problem is not lack of money | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Why should it be down to the govt to feed my kids? This obviously isn't a scheme for those who can afford to. It's aimed at those who *can't* afford to feed their children. Disabilities, debt, and a million other reasons. Why does the child have to suffer for it?" I’m too many cases The child is going without because of bad parenting | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though " Where does the money come, how does the government get the money ?! | |||
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"It isn't the children's fault if the parents are unable to feed their children, for whatever reason. They shouldn't have to go hungry because of the situation they are in. I took my children to a local cafe yesterday as they are doing a pay it forward scheme where you can pay for a lunch for a child, which we contributed to. They had been overwhelmed with the generosity of people. It is lovely to see but I do also feel it shouldn't be down to the general public and small businesses to step up. Mrs x" What a brilliant scheme. E | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting " Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. | |||
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"This is a whole big can of worms but in my opinion no child should ever have to go hungry full stop. If that means me putting my hand in my pocket paying more taxes then I will gladly do so. The wage stagnation perpetrated by this and previous conservative governments has been the main factor in this issue. But whatever the factors, children don’t go hungry. Call me a communist if you wish but I believe have a social conscience is never a bad thing." If you believe that give all your money to the poor, it’s not hard , you could even cut down on food yourself too and cancel Netflix, and a whole range of things to help poor people, but don’t require others have the same beliefs as you | |||
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"I never got free school meals during the holidays in the 80s/90s and my parents were skint as were most back then. Not sure where or why the expectations come from in 2020." A lot of things were different in the 80/90s. Many things that were acceptable then are not now. | |||
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"I never got free school meals during the holidays in the 80s/90s and my parents were skint as were most back then. Not sure where or why the expectations come from in 2020." Way too many feel entitled these days Happy to live on hand outs It’s becoming too easy to get something for nothing When you can be financially better off by not working You know the whole system is flawed | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Why should it be down to the govt to feed my kids? This obviously isn't a scheme for those who can afford to. It's aimed at those who *can't* afford to feed their children. Disabilities, debt, and a million other reasons. Why does the child have to suffer for it? I’m too many cases The child is going without because of bad parenting " Point being the child goes hungry, regardless of what the parents do or don't do it's the child that matters and no child should ever have to go hungry, ever and shame on anyone who is happy to sit back and roll out all the bad parenting quotes while A Child Goes Hungry | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out." Or course there are people who take the piss, but it doesn't mean those who are in need shouldn't get it You had to use a food bank because of a pay roll fuck up. Imagine if that wasn't there, what would you have done? It would have been quite difficult I imagine. Lots of people rely on things like that at one time or another. Help should be available. | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
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Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day "I used to feed my family of 4 on 15/20 a week, 5 gas, 5 electric and 5 food, and the washing powder. Bad times, but i did it | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Because people should support and look after each other and encourage generosity. If you put everything on the government , you take away all personal responsibility to sort yourself or each other and become emotionless and that’s called communism. That's not communism
It kind of is , when all personal responsibility is taken away and the government just sort everything out, and it doesn’t work either, looking after yourself , your loved ones and your community , locally and globally is better. The government doesn’t have any money if it’s own, they just distribute other people’s money, and they do it badly and waste it usually, we can do a better job."I'm from a communist country:Cuba... Everybody thinks Cuba is awesome and that the system works But the few people that venture out of their 5 stars hotels/cruise ship to walk the streets of Cuba can see that Cuban people are suffering hunger, is a country where a doctor gets paid £15 monthly and supposed to survive with that.. Yes we have free healthcare, but you don't find the medications and if you don't "tip" the doctor your family dies of malpractice and nothing happens.. The qualified doctors stay in capitalist countries as soon as they are given a "mission" to help outside of Cuba..
Yes we have free education but after University you have to work whatever hours they assign you for free (on top of your normal hours) five days a week(voluntary work they call it) and if you say "No", the government takes your degree away and they will make your life a living hell...
Cuban people help each other with what they can in order to survive(exchanging goods or food if there is any)...
And the people in the Cuban government living like billionaires while Cuban people struggle to survive.. Cuba is probably the only country in the world where a doctor or a teacher gets paid less than a taxi driver.. And if anyone complains about the economy, about the negligence at hospitals, or about anything going wrong with the country, then that person goes to jail, their kids taken out of school, whatever family they have in the country loses the job and faces police brutality and the government will make your life a living hell... | |||
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"This is a whole big can of worms but in my opinion no child should ever have to go hungry full stop. If that means me putting my hand in my pocket paying more taxes then I will gladly do so. The wage stagnation perpetrated by this and previous conservative governments has been the main factor in this issue. But whatever the factors, children don’t go hungry. Call me a communist if you wish but I believe have a social conscience is never a bad thing. If you believe that give all your money to the poor, it’s not hard , you could even cut down on food yourself too and cancel Netflix, and a whole range of things to help poor people, but don’t require others have the same beliefs as you" I have given money to help out for the children that need feeding. I do it because I live in a society. I do it because I disagree with the opinion of the government. I do it because I believe it’s the right thing to do. You will always get piss takers and spongers in society, but what many fail to realise is that most of those piss takers are taking from the top of the pie by not paying their proper taxes, rather than the bottom by scrounging benefits. That is where we need to see real change. | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Why should it be down to the govt to feed my kids? This obviously isn't a scheme for those who can afford to. It's aimed at those who *can't* afford to feed their children. Disabilities, debt, and a million other reasons. Why does the child have to suffer for it? I’m too many cases The child is going without because of bad parenting Point being the child goes hungry, regardless of what the parents do or don't do it's the child that matters and no child should ever have to go hungry, ever and shame on anyone who is happy to sit back and roll out all the bad parenting quotes while A Child Goes Hungry " This. It's never the child's fault and we shouldn't use the parental circumstances as an excuse | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Why should it be down to the govt to feed my kids? This obviously isn't a scheme for those who can afford to. It's aimed at those who *can't* afford to feed their children. Disabilities, debt, and a million other reasons. Why does the child have to suffer for it? I’m too many cases The child is going without because of bad parenting Point being the child goes hungry, regardless of what the parents do or don't do it's the child that matters and no child should ever have to go hungry, ever and shame on anyone who is happy to sit back and roll out all the bad parenting quotes while A Child Goes Hungry " Wrong Shame on the bad parents Not the ones calling them out | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. Or course there are people who take the piss, but it doesn't mean those who are in need shouldn't get it You had to use a food bank because of a pay roll fuck up. Imagine if that wasn't there, what would you have done? It would have been quite difficult I imagine. Lots of people rely on things like that at one time or another. Help should be available. " The help is available! I was desperate at that point and used that help when i needed it most and was extremely grateful it was there. I used it, and then gave I back to it, tenfold when i was in a position to, and still do. My point is that many people keep on using that help when they dont actually need it and they could improve their own situations and therefore their childrens. I absolutely agree that no child should ever go hungry, but the responsibility is on the parents, not the government. | |||
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"It’s lovely to have the moral support of all these celebrity millionaires who earn in a day what it would cost to sort this " I think you're missing the point. There is too much in this that relies on charity. Charity is only needed because governments don't meet the needs of the people. Cal | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
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Stop smoking and drinking
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Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
I used to feed my family of 4 on 15/20 a week, 5 gas, 5 electric and 5 food, and the washing powder.
Bad times, but i did it"Are you a magician? | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. Or course there are people who take the piss, but it doesn't mean those who are in need shouldn't get it You had to use a food bank because of a pay roll fuck up. Imagine if that wasn't there, what would you have done? It would have been quite difficult I imagine. Lots of people rely on things like that at one time or another. Help should be available. The help is available! I was desperate at that point and used that help when i needed it most and was extremely grateful it was there. I used it, and then gave I back to it, tenfold when i was in a position to, and still do. My point is that many people keep on using that help when they dont actually need it and they could improve their own situations and therefore their childrens. I absolutely agree that no child should ever go hungry, but the responsibility is on the parents, not the government." That's true 100% , responsibility is on the parents, not the government... Most Cuban mothers raise their kids as a single mum, and they do whatever they need to in order to feed their kids.. If kids depended on the Cuban government they would be all dead by now | |||
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"It’s lovely to have the moral support of all these celebrity millionaires who earn in a day what it would cost to sort this I think you're missing the point. There is too much in this that relies on charity. Charity is only needed because governments don't meet the needs of the people. Cal" Why is it down to the government to provide more ? There are benefits that can be claimed . Child benefit too.I agree in some extreme cases food banks etc are a must for some. I suspect that a high majority of the people who are saying they cannot feed their kids actually can but greed takes over. | |||
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"Before this pandemic, I never received free school meals for my children, as I had a job, unfortunately I lost my job and have had to go on to benefits, which I really don't like but it's something ive had to do.. I'm scared for their future. " Scared for their future, why ? | |||
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"FSM was never a scheme that was continued into the holiday period. It was only extended into the holidays at Easter this year due to the fact that we were in countrywide lockdown and the furlough scheme was just being sorted out and a big football name asking for it to be so. Manchester city council have honoured the scheme for this holiday too this time round. I am in awe of all the responses by business in offering their help countrywide to feed families during this holiday period. It brings back the country togetherness we all felt back in March/ April of this year. I've no real point to make just an observation, and probably pointless of me to post it" The togetherness and people helping each other is worthwhile. I don't think it's a pointless post at all.  | |||
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"I never got free school meals during the holidays in the 80s/90s and my parents were skint as were most back then. Not sure where or why the expectations come from in 2020. Way too many feel entitled these days Happy to live on hand outs It’s becoming too easy to get something for nothing When you can be financially better off by not working You know the whole system is flawed " This is very true! But unfortuanly the kids are the losers in all this! As a school cook for 9 years we had kids come in with no food a d no money! And as we were an independent company were told if the school didnt step in and pay we were not to feed them! I refused a d was told my job would b online if I went against their rules! I told them so b it sack me cos no kid is going without while I'm here! X | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads "Do you have exact numbers of that? | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E What if both parents have been made redundant due to covid and can't get another job? Then they should be supported if possible. That's a terrible situation for anyone to be in. But heres the thing. People should be educated to save for the rainy day fund and take responsibility for their families. And if they are unable to. Should be supported until they are able to. " Meanwhile back in the real world | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
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Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day "I truly despair at times | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out." People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low." I’m shocked that this is news to you | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I’m shocked that this is news to you " In what way ? | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I’m shocked that this is news to you In what way ?" I thought this was common knowledge More kids More free cash Bigger house | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I’m shocked that this is news to you In what way ? I thought this was common knowledge More kids More free cash Bigger house " Right And it which right wing rag did you read this in? | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance?" Investigated in what way? | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... " Do you have figures on this? | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low." I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though " That's deflecting from individuals social responsibility to fellow man. | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance?" Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E " So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this?" No figures needed but sadly it's true x | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! " Did your benefits ever get stopped? | |||
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"I never got free school meals during the holidays in the 80s/90s and my parents were skint as were most back then. Not sure where or why the expectations come from in 2020. Way too many feel entitled these days Happy to live on hand outs It’s becoming too easy to get something for nothing When you can be financially better off by not working You know the whole system is flawed " Wages where I live are low, of course people are better off not working if they have children. | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x" Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E What if both parents have been made redundant due to covid and can't get another job? Then they should be supported if possible. That's a terrible situation for anyone to be in. But heres the thing. People should be educated to save for the rainy day fund and take responsibility for their families. And if they are unable to. Should be supported until they are able to. " Universal credit, spring private rent, ridiculously low minimum wage, high childcare costs, zero hour contracts, a decade of austerity, people were struggling before the pandemic. Do you realise how few families with young children can actually make ends meet let alone save? If a child is hungry - feed it. Regardless of the ‘saving habits’ of parents. | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive " Same thing! X | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! Did your benefits ever get stopped?" No x | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X" Completely not the same thing ..... wow | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. " Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering. | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world?" For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X" No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline." You have a link for this? | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! Did your benefits ever get stopped? No x" Ok sooo accounting for your age this must have been what? 20 years ago? I suggest you have a look at today’s climate and see how you would survive. For someone not working with 2 children UC is about £1000 a month ....... a two bed house in Essex the rent is £1000 a month. It’s not hard to do the maths | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! Did your benefits ever get stopped? No x" You realise If you miss a job interview your benefits can be stopped? | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E " This is something that rings true, at the end of August my wife and I were made redundant from our live in job, luckily the owner was kind enough to let us stay at the hotel until end of September when the council put us in emergency accommodation, (1 bedroom for us and my stepson) We're now in a flat as temporary accommodation and yes we're on universal credit and it embarrasses us that people think this is a position we chose to put ourselves in. We've both been applying for every job going (including flipping burgers and shelf stacking) but unfortunately for each job advertised there's about 200 applications. So it's not (as the person above thinks) as easy as walking into a job. Sorry just my 2 pence and I'm sure I'll get a torrent of people telling me I'm not trying but it's not easy | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this?" No. It's my opinion based on people i know | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E This is something that rings true, at the end of August my wife and I were made redundant from our live in job, luckily the owner was kind enough to let us stay at the hotel until end of September when the council put us in emergency accommodation, (1 bedroom for us and my stepson) We're now in a flat as temporary accommodation and yes we're on universal credit and it embarrasses us that people think this is a position we chose to put ourselves in. We've both been applying for every job going (including flipping burgers and shelf stacking) but unfortunately for each job advertised there's about 200 applications. So it's not (as the person above thinks) as easy as walking into a job. Sorry just my 2 pence and I'm sure I'll get a torrent of people telling me I'm not trying but it's not easy" You shouldn't be embarrassed at all. Benefits are there to provide a safety net. But we have become that nasty as a country, that being in benefits has become stigmatised. It's an absolute disgrace. | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know " So you dont really know? | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering." I dont think anyone is saying that at all! I'm sure not read my previous comments! What people are saying there is unfortuanly to many parents not taking resposibility! And milking the system ! No child should go hungry! Everyone I'm sure would agree on that! X | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E " My sister is a prime example, never worked a day in her life, had three kids, all now grown up and with kids of their own, and none of them work either, but all of the kids and grandkids have the best trainers, phones, etc, my nieces and nephews are covered in huge expensive tattoos, my sister even has a holiday home albiet a caravan in Brid. Do i or my kids have any of those things? No, and i have worked all my life! She would be the first to jump on the "my kids are starving" bandwagon when in reality they just might have to cut down on fags, booze, and takeaways every night. This is not uncommon in the area i live. I see them walking past my house every day taking their kids to school. They are not a minority in an old northern mining town, they are the majority. | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E My sister is a prime example, never worked a day in her life, had three kids, all now grown up and with kids of their own, and none of them work either, but all of the kids and grandkids have the best trainers, phones, etc, my nieces and nephews are covered in huge expensive tattoos, my sister even has a holiday home albiet a caravan in Brid. Do i or my kids have any of those things? No, and i have worked all my life! She would be the first to jump on the "my kids are starving" bandwagon when in reality they just might have to cut down on fags, booze, and takeaways every night. This is not uncommon in the area i live. I see them walking past my house every day taking their kids to school. They are not a minority in an old northern mining town, they are the majority." How much was the holiday home? | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout?" Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! Did your benefits ever get stopped? No x Ok sooo accounting for your age this must have been what? 20 years ago? I suggest you have a look at today’s climate and see how you would survive. For someone not working with 2 children UC is about £1000 a month ....... a two bed house in Essex the rent is £1000 a month. It’s not hard to do the maths " You choose one of the most expensive places to live to make the point Hmmmmm | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E My sister is a prime example, never worked a day in her life, had three kids, all now grown up and with kids of their own, and none of them work either, but all of the kids and grandkids have the best trainers, phones, etc, my nieces and nephews are covered in huge expensive tattoos, my sister even has a holiday home albiet a caravan in Brid. Do i or my kids have any of those things? No, and i have worked all my life! She would be the first to jump on the "my kids are starving" bandwagon when in reality they just might have to cut down on fags, booze, and takeaways every night. This is not uncommon in the area i live. I see them walking past my house every day taking their kids to school. They are not a minority in an old northern mining town, they are the majority." How do they afford it on benefits? Do they do undeclared work? We've been on benefits, admittedly a long time ago but we could just about meet our bills with family help and came out of it in debt | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X" It's a benefit which you pay in all your life..not a handout | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know?" They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know. | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E My sister is a prime example, never worked a day in her life, had three kids, all now grown up and with kids of their own, and none of them work either, but all of the kids and grandkids have the best trainers, phones, etc, my nieces and nephews are covered in huge expensive tattoos, my sister even has a holiday home albiet a caravan in Brid. Do i or my kids have any of those things? No, and i have worked all my life! She would be the first to jump on the "my kids are starving" bandwagon when in reality they just might have to cut down on fags, booze, and takeaways every night. This is not uncommon in the area i live. I see them walking past my house every day taking their kids to school. They are not a minority in an old northern mining town, they are the majority. How do they afford it on benefits? Do they do undeclared work? We've been on benefits, admittedly a long time ago but we could just about meet our bills with family help and came out of it in debt" I wanna know how they can afford a holiday home | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know? They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know." And that means not living on the breadline? | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! Did your benefits ever get stopped? No x Ok sooo accounting for your age this must have been what? 20 years ago? I suggest you have a look at today’s climate and see how you would survive. For someone not working with 2 children UC is about £1000 a month ....... a two bed house in Essex the rent is £1000 a month. It’s not hard to do the maths You choose one of the most expensive places to live to make the point Hmmmmm" If your rent is less you get less sooo (and I don’t know the rent averages in the north) if your rent is £500 then you would get £500 ..... | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world?" Yes, that's exactly what they said. "If I have a baby the council will have to give me somewhere to live" I doubt they were thinking 18 years ahead. Neither of them listened to familial advice or concern. What else can you do but offer advice and guidance? E | |||
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"It’s lovely to have the moral support of all these celebrity millionaires who earn in a day what it would cost to sort this " I mean most have spoken in the past saying they'd pay more tax. Maybe that should be looked into, cause this is a systematic problem that won't go away with a big, expensive, one off plaster. | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E This is something that rings true, at the end of August my wife and I were made redundant from our live in job, luckily the owner was kind enough to let us stay at the hotel until end of September when the council put us in emergency accommodation, (1 bedroom for us and my stepson) We're now in a flat as temporary accommodation and yes we're on universal credit and it embarrasses us that people think this is a position we chose to put ourselves in. We've both been applying for every job going (including flipping burgers and shelf stacking) but unfortunately for each job advertised there's about 200 applications. So it's not (as the person above thinks) as easy as walking into a job. Sorry just my 2 pence and I'm sure I'll get a torrent of people telling me I'm not trying but it's not easy" Good luck guys it will all work out. | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E My sister is a prime example, never worked a day in her life, had three kids, all now grown up and with kids of their own, and none of them work either, but all of the kids and grandkids have the best trainers, phones, etc, my nieces and nephews are covered in huge expensive tattoos, my sister even has a holiday home albiet a caravan in Brid. Do i or my kids have any of those things? No, and i have worked all my life! She would be the first to jump on the "my kids are starving" bandwagon when in reality they just might have to cut down on fags, booze, and takeaways every night. This is not uncommon in the area i live. I see them walking past my house every day taking their kids to school. They are not a minority in an old northern mining town, they are the majority. How do they afford it on benefits? Do they do undeclared work? We've been on benefits, admittedly a long time ago but we could just about meet our bills with family help and came out of it in debt I wanna know how they can afford a holiday home" So do I! | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X" If someone damages your car and you claim against your insurance policy is it a hand out? You pay national insurance and tax partly so that you can claim if you fall in hard times. It's not a hand out | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E My sister is a prime example, never worked a day in her life, had three kids, all now grown up and with kids of their own, and none of them work either, but all of the kids and grandkids have the best trainers, phones, etc, my nieces and nephews are covered in huge expensive tattoos, my sister even has a holiday home albiet a caravan in Brid. Do i or my kids have any of those things? No, and i have worked all my life! She would be the first to jump on the "my kids are starving" bandwagon when in reality they just might have to cut down on fags, booze, and takeaways every night. This is not uncommon in the area i live. I see them walking past my house every day taking their kids to school. They are not a minority in an old northern mining town, they are the majority. How do they afford it on benefits? Do they do undeclared work? We've been on benefits, admittedly a long time ago but we could just about meet our bills with family help and came out of it in debt I wanna know how they can afford a holiday home So do I!" How much was it? | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E My sister is a prime example, never worked a day in her life, had three kids, all now grown up and with kids of their own, and none of them work either, but all of the kids and grandkids have the best trainers, phones, etc, my nieces and nephews are covered in huge expensive tattoos, my sister even has a holiday home albiet a caravan in Brid. Do i or my kids have any of those things? No, and i have worked all my life! She would be the first to jump on the "my kids are starving" bandwagon when in reality they just might have to cut down on fags, booze, and takeaways every night. This is not uncommon in the area i live. I see them walking past my house every day taking their kids to school. They are not a minority in an old northern mining town, they are the majority." Yes seen this! Myself unfortunately the cycle will just continue! I remember at one point I was worse of working than not I almost thought why bother working? But what spurred me on was wanting my kids to see that's what u are expected to do in life! And it's worked they all got their first jobs at 16 x | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering." People aren’t saying the government shouldn’t be doing anything, however, the parents are receiving financial support through either benefits or UC. We all receive child benefit, I’m lucky at the moment and I can put that aside for my child, however if it came to it that money would be used to solely feed him. Before you ask no I’m not working, I’m not claiming benefits as I am not entitled to them, as I have savings and they need to disappear before any assistance is given. I’ve worked every day since I left school and this is my first time out of employment in 33 years, yes I’ve put into the system but that does not give me the automatic right to claim on it - at the end of the day my child is my responsibility no one else’s. | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know? They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know." Ok they don’t get rent paid they get LHA - eg where I live LHA is £600 a month average 2 bed property (as social housing has all been sold off) is £900 a month. Free school meals - yes and too bloody right too! Although school meals for 2 children is approx £80 a month so hardly breaking the bank. Uniform allowance doesn’t exist for primary schools. Counsel tax support reduced to about £30 a month from £100 (again on the illustrated property) Dentist and prescription yes - both of which for a healthy person are minimal. I know this as I am a volunteer for an organisation that helps people who cannot afford to live. Most of them work on zero hour contract or minimum wage this is where’s the free school meals, prescriptions, eye tests and council tax support doesn’t exist. | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X If someone damages your car and you claim against your insurance policy is it a hand out? You pay national insurance and tax partly so that you can claim if you fall in hard times. It's not a hand out" Yes true! I'm just saying that's what I felt it was when I was on them! X | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering. People aren’t saying the government shouldn’t be doing anything, however, the parents are receiving financial support through either benefits or UC. We all receive child benefit, I’m lucky at the moment and I can put that aside for my child, however if it came to it that money would be used to solely feed him. Before you ask no I’m not working, I’m not claiming benefits as I am not entitled to them, as I have savings and they need to disappear before any assistance is given. I’ve worked every day since I left school and this is my first time out of employment in 33 years, yes I’ve put into the system but that does not give me the automatic right to claim on it - at the end of the day my child is my responsibility no one else’s. " Loads have said it's not the gmnts responsibility. You are entitled to those benefits.. they are there as a safety net. | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering. People aren’t saying the government shouldn’t be doing anything, however, the parents are receiving financial support through either benefits or UC. We all receive child benefit, I’m lucky at the moment and I can put that aside for my child, however if it came to it that money would be used to solely feed him. Before you ask no I’m not working, I’m not claiming benefits as I am not entitled to them, as I have savings and they need to disappear before any assistance is given. I’ve worked every day since I left school and this is my first time out of employment in 33 years, yes I’ve put into the system but that does not give me the automatic right to claim on it - at the end of the day my child is my responsibility no one else’s. " To not be entitled you must have more than £16000 in savings - this is I feel correct. Read my illustration above - now do you feel that you could feed your child? | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know? They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know. Ok they don’t get rent paid they get LHA - eg where I live LHA is £600 a month average 2 bed property (as social housing has all been sold off) is £900 a month. Free school meals - yes and too bloody right too! Although school meals for 2 children is approx £80 a month so hardly breaking the bank. Uniform allowance doesn’t exist for primary schools. Counsel tax support reduced to about £30 a month from £100 (again on the illustrated property) Dentist and prescription yes - both of which for a healthy person are minimal. I know this as I am a volunteer for an organisation that helps people who cannot afford to live. Most of them work on zero hour contract or minimum wage this is where’s the free school meals, prescriptions, eye tests and council tax support doesn’t exist. " Living the life of luxury apparently | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E My sister is a prime example, never worked a day in her life, had three kids, all now grown up and with kids of their own, and none of them work either, but all of the kids and grandkids have the best trainers, phones, etc, my nieces and nephews are covered in huge expensive tattoos, my sister even has a holiday home albiet a caravan in Brid. Do i or my kids have any of those things? No, and i have worked all my life! She would be the first to jump on the "my kids are starving" bandwagon when in reality they just might have to cut down on fags, booze, and takeaways every night. This is not uncommon in the area i live. I see them walking past my house every day taking their kids to school. They are not a minority in an old northern mining town, they are the majority. How do they afford it on benefits? Do they do undeclared work? We've been on benefits, admittedly a long time ago but we could just about meet our bills with family help and came out of it in debt I wanna know how they can afford a holiday home"  , me too.
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E My sister is a prime example, never worked a day in her life, had three kids, all now grown up and with kids of their own, and none of them work either, but all of the kids and grandkids have the best trainers, phones, etc, my nieces and nephews are covered in huge expensive tattoos, my sister even has a holiday home albiet a caravan in Brid. Do i or my kids have any of those things? No, and i have worked all my life! She would be the first to jump on the "my kids are starving" bandwagon when in reality they just might have to cut down on fags, booze, and takeaways every night. This is not uncommon in the area i live. I see them walking past my house every day taking their kids to school. They are not a minority in an old northern mining town, they are the majority. How do they afford it on benefits? Do they do undeclared work? We've been on benefits, admittedly a long time ago but we could just about meet our bills with family help and came out of it in debt I wanna know how they can afford a holiday home , me too.
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know? They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know. Ok they don’t get rent paid they get LHA - eg where I live LHA is £600 a month average 2 bed property (as social housing has all been sold off) is £900 a month. Free school meals - yes and too bloody right too! Although school meals for 2 children is approx £80 a month so hardly breaking the bank. Uniform allowance doesn’t exist for primary schools. Counsel tax support reduced to about £30 a month from £100 (again on the illustrated property) Dentist and prescription yes - both of which for a healthy person are minimal. I know this as I am a volunteer for an organisation that helps people who cannot afford to live. Most of them work on zero hour contract or minimum wage this is where’s the free school meals, prescriptions, eye tests and council tax support doesn’t exist. " I'm telling you the benefits the person i know gets | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! Did your benefits ever get stopped? No x Ok sooo accounting for your age this must have been what? 20 years ago? I suggest you have a look at today’s climate and see how you would survive. For someone not working with 2 children UC is about £1000 a month ....... a two bed house in Essex the rent is £1000 a month. It’s not hard to do the maths You choose one of the most expensive places to live to make the point Hmmmmm" I expect the OP lived there long before their circumstances changed.
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X If someone damages your car and you claim against your insurance policy is it a hand out? You pay national insurance and tax partly so that you can claim if you fall in hard times. It's not a hand out" Too many have never and will never contribute That’s the issue Sit back and reach out the entitled hand I was on holiday with my kids once I saw a guy sat with his wife and kids outside a pub by the beach His t shirt read “ you work so I don’t have to “ Scum | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day "Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know? They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know. Ok they don’t get rent paid they get LHA - eg where I live LHA is £600 a month average 2 bed property (as social housing has all been sold off) is £900 a month. Free school meals - yes and too bloody right too! Although school meals for 2 children is approx £80 a month so hardly breaking the bank. Uniform allowance doesn’t exist for primary schools. Counsel tax support reduced to about £30 a month from £100 (again on the illustrated property) Dentist and prescription yes - both of which for a healthy person are minimal. I know this as I am a volunteer for an organisation that helps people who cannot afford to live. Most of them work on zero hour contract or minimum wage this is where’s the free school meals, prescriptions, eye tests and council tax support doesn’t exist. I'm telling you the benefits the person i know gets " So basic allowances to keep you alive is not living on the breadline? | |||
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"Let's not forget that we are talking about a lunch during school holidays so replace the lunch they would have got free at school. Parents of children on free lunches have known for the last 6-weeks that it was going to be half term this week. If you knew you were going to really struggle would you not save a pound a week?! It seems to be overlooked that these people will already have been given a financial assistance to feed their children in the form of child benefit and child tax credit. Why is it then the government's responsibility to give them even more money because they haven't allocated any of their aforementioned benefits to provide a lunch for their child during half term?! Yesterday I bought a vegetable soup pack from Tesco's for 75p, the stock cube I used to turn it into soup was probably about 10p. It made 5 portions. A weeks worth of lunch for 85p! People may not be able to afford to take their child to McDonald's everyday for lunch or provide a top quality ham on the bone sandwich accompanied by expensive processed shit (cheese strings, dunkers, lunchables etc) but I refuse to believe that they cannot afford to give them anything. It is not the responsibility of celebrities to feed children. It is the responsibility of the parents. I'm not naive enough to think that there is not a very very minuscule proportion of people who genuinely cannot afford food, but surely that's where social responsibility comes into play. If you thought your next door neighbours child was hungry at lunch time during half term through no fault of their parents would you not have them in a tin of beans at the very least?! " I'm sorry you seem to think we have a Socially minded country. We don't. There are two routes, either the Government is responsible for those it governs, or we go down the full personal responsibility route. And for the record if we go down the latter I think it should apply to everyone and everything. Health care, personal finance, dental care, education, job security. So next time anyone screams about personal responsibility for the kids, maybe just ask what would happen if there was no safety net in the UK, no welfare, no NHS ect. Then ask, when was the last time you upskilled for a career. There's going to be a lot of job automation in the post-covid world, can you honestly say you are protected against it? | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X If someone damages your car and you claim against your insurance policy is it a hand out? You pay national insurance and tax partly so that you can claim if you fall in hard times. It's not a hand out Too many have never and will never contribute That’s the issue Sit back and reach out the entitled hand I was on holiday with my kids once I saw a guy sat with his wife and kids outside a pub by the beach His t shirt read “ you work so I don’t have to “ Scum " Words fail me | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! Did your benefits ever get stopped? No x Ok sooo accounting for your age this must have been what? 20 years ago? I suggest you have a look at today’s climate and see how you would survive. For someone not working with 2 children UC is about £1000 a month ....... a two bed house in Essex the rent is £1000 a month. It’s not hard to do the maths You choose one of the most expensive places to live to make the point Hmmmmm I expect the OP lived there long before their circumstances changed.
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on "During the war me ma fed a family of 28 of us with a jar of dripping She can do it why cant you? | |||
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"Let's not forget that we are talking about a lunch during school holidays so replace the lunch they would have got free at school. Parents of children on free lunches have known for the last 6-weeks that it was going to be half term this week. If you knew you were going to really struggle would you not save a pound a week?! It seems to be overlooked that these people will already have been given a financial assistance to feed their children in the form of child benefit and child tax credit. Why is it then the government's responsibility to give them even more money because they haven't allocated any of their aforementioned benefits to provide a lunch for their child during half term?! Yesterday I bought a vegetable soup pack from Tesco's for 75p, the stock cube I used to turn it into soup was probably about 10p. It made 5 portions. A weeks worth of lunch for 85p! People may not be able to afford to take their child to McDonald's everyday for lunch or provide a top quality ham on the bone sandwich accompanied by expensive processed shit (cheese strings, dunkers, lunchables etc) but I refuse to believe that they cannot afford to give them anything. It is not the responsibility of celebrities to feed children. It is the responsibility of the parents. I'm not naive enough to think that there is not a very very minuscule proportion of people who genuinely cannot afford food, but surely that's where social responsibility comes into play. If you thought your next door neighbours child was hungry at lunch time during half term through no fault of their parents would you not have them in a tin of beans at the very least?! I'm sorry you seem to think we have a Socially minded country. We don't. There are two routes, either the Government is responsible for those it governs, or we go down the full personal responsibility route. And for the record if we go down the latter I think it should apply to everyone and everything. Health care, personal finance, dental care, education, job security. So next time anyone screams about personal responsibility for the kids, maybe just ask what would happen if there was no safety net in the UK, no welfare, no NHS ect. Then ask, when was the last time you upskilled for a career. There's going to be a lot of job automation in the post-covid world, can you honestly say you are protected against it?" This thread tells you exactly the type of country we live in | |||
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"Let's not forget that we are talking about a lunch during school holidays so replace the lunch they would have got free at school. Parents of children on free lunches have known for the last 6-weeks that it was going to be half term this week. If you knew you were going to really struggle would you not save a pound a week?! It seems to be overlooked that these people will already have been given a financial assistance to feed their children in the form of child benefit and child tax credit. Why is it then the government's responsibility to give them even more money because they haven't allocated any of their aforementioned benefits to provide a lunch for their child during half term?! Yesterday I bought a vegetable soup pack from Tesco's for 75p, the stock cube I used to turn it into soup was probably about 10p. It made 5 portions. A weeks worth of lunch for 85p! People may not be able to afford to take their child to McDonald's everyday for lunch or provide a top quality ham on the bone sandwich accompanied by expensive processed shit (cheese strings, dunkers, lunchables etc) but I refuse to believe that they cannot afford to give them anything. It is not the responsibility of celebrities to feed children. It is the responsibility of the parents. I'm not naive enough to think that there is not a very very minuscule proportion of people who genuinely cannot afford food, but surely that's where social responsibility comes into play. If you thought your next door neighbours child was hungry at lunch time during half term through no fault of their parents would you not have them in a tin of beans at the very least?! I'm sorry you seem to think we have a Socially minded country. We don't. There are two routes, either the Government is responsible for those it governs, or we go down the full personal responsibility route. And for the record if we go down the latter I think it should apply to everyone and everything. Health care, personal finance, dental care, education, job security. So next time anyone screams about personal responsibility for the kids, maybe just ask what would happen if there was no safety net in the UK, no welfare, no NHS ect. Then ask, when was the last time you upskilled for a career. There's going to be a lot of job automation in the post-covid world, can you honestly say you are protected against it?" Also what people fail to realise is today’s children will be supporting all of us by state pension (if it exists) they will be the doctors the carers the surgeons in f the future ... what happens if these children don’t get as far as UNI due to parents not affording it. | |||
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"There are some right nasty people in this thread Your first thought is the parent, mine is the starving kid, its not his fault his parent is either a fuck up and prioritises other things in life or even the parent has other issues like lost there job and have no money at all" This !! | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on
During the war me ma fed a family of 28 of us with a jar of dripping
She can do it why cant you?"I'm not sure if you're being honest or sarcastic but I am quite gullible | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day "Go on, I dare you to make a YouTube blog documenting that. I dare you to put your money where your mouth is, subject your partner, and kids to that for 6 months, you know, the cold, damp and miserable months here in the UK. Upload it everyday so you're accountable to it. | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering. People aren’t saying the government shouldn’t be doing anything, however, the parents are receiving financial support through either benefits or UC. We all receive child benefit, I’m lucky at the moment and I can put that aside for my child, however if it came to it that money would be used to solely feed him. Before you ask no I’m not working, I’m not claiming benefits as I am not entitled to them, as I have savings and they need to disappear before any assistance is given. I’ve worked every day since I left school and this is my first time out of employment in 33 years, yes I’ve put into the system but that does not give me the automatic right to claim on it - at the end of the day my child is my responsibility no one else’s. " You're clearly a good parent who is facing a difficult time and your circumstances and choices are allowing you to do the right thing by your child. That's really amazing, but nothing to do with the issue. The issue is with parents who's circumstances and/or decisions are resulting in kids going hungry and facing the prospect of being malnourished. Even if you think those parents have failed in some way, which is a very problematic generalisation in itself, do you think children should suffer as a result? I don't think so. I think ensuring they get fed something is both sensible, compassionate, and a good use of the taxes I've been paying for the last 20-odd years. Anything else is irrelevant. If course parents should look provide for their kids, but they sometimes can't or don't. So should we let those kids starve? What a fucking horrible suggestion. | |||
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"Why should it be down to anyone other than the government to fix? Because people should support and look after each other and encourage generosity. If you put everything on the government , you take away all personal responsibility to sort yourself or each other and become emotionless and that’s called communism. That's not communism
It kind of is , when all personal responsibility is taken away and the government just sort everything out, and it doesn’t work either, looking after yourself , your loved ones and your community , locally and globally is better. The government doesn’t have any money if it’s own, they just distribute other people’s money, and they do it badly and waste it usually, we can do a better job."I don't think you know what communism is... | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on
During the war me ma fed a family of 28 of us with a jar of dripping
She can do it why cant you?
I'm not sure if you're being honest or sarcastic but I am quite gullible "Sarcastic | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X If someone damages your car and you claim against your insurance policy is it a hand out? You pay national insurance and tax partly so that you can claim if you fall in hard times. It's not a hand out Too many have never and will never contribute That’s the issue Sit back and reach out the entitled hand I was on holiday with my kids once I saw a guy sat with his wife and kids outside a pub by the beach His t shirt read “ you work so I don’t have to “ Scum " Do you have a figure for this "too many"? | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering. People aren’t saying the government shouldn’t be doing anything, however, the parents are receiving financial support through either benefits or UC. We all receive child benefit, I’m lucky at the moment and I can put that aside for my child, however if it came to it that money would be used to solely feed him. Before you ask no I’m not working, I’m not claiming benefits as I am not entitled to them, as I have savings and they need to disappear before any assistance is given. I’ve worked every day since I left school and this is my first time out of employment in 33 years, yes I’ve put into the system but that does not give me the automatic right to claim on it - at the end of the day my child is my responsibility no one else’s. To not be entitled you must have more than £16000 in savings - this is I feel correct. Read my illustration above - now do you feel that you could feed your child? " Yes it’s my redundancy that I’m living off and that is paying the bills. I saw your illustration and everyone’s circumstances is different, I know my child won’t go hungry and it won’t be from benefit payments (if I have to take them) it will be from managing what little money I have coming in, plus assistance in the way of food parcels from friends and family - because you look out for each other and you make a meal out of what you have even if it’s not a conventional pairing. | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Go on, I dare you to make a YouTube blog documenting that.
I dare you to put your money where your mouth is, subject your partner, and kids to that for 6 months, you know, the cold, damp and miserable months here in the UK.
Upload it everyday so you're accountable to it." | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on "I have thanks | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X If someone damages your car and you claim against your insurance policy is it a hand out? You pay national insurance and tax partly so that you can claim if you fall in hard times. It's not a hand out Too many have never and will never contribute That’s the issue Sit back and reach out the entitled hand I was on holiday with my kids once I saw a guy sat with his wife and kids outside a pub by the beach His t shirt read “ you work so I don’t have to “ Scum Do you have a figure for this "too many"?" 1 is too many  | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know? They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know. Ok they don’t get rent paid they get LHA - eg where I live LHA is £600 a month average 2 bed property (as social housing has all been sold off) is £900 a month. Free school meals - yes and too bloody right too! Although school meals for 2 children is approx £80 a month so hardly breaking the bank. Uniform allowance doesn’t exist for primary schools. Counsel tax support reduced to about £30 a month from £100 (again on the illustrated property) Dentist and prescription yes - both of which for a healthy person are minimal. I know this as I am a volunteer for an organisation that helps people who cannot afford to live. Most of them work on zero hour contract or minimum wage this is where’s the free school meals, prescriptions, eye tests and council tax support doesn’t exist. I'm telling you the benefits the person i know gets So basic allowances to keep you alive is not living on the breadline?" Not when they have the latest i phones, flat screen tv, run a car,holiday's abroad every year, eat out regularly and who's kids go without nothing.The latest toys and named trainers I dont call that living on the breadline do you ? | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering. People aren’t saying the government shouldn’t be doing anything, however, the parents are receiving financial support through either benefits or UC. We all receive child benefit, I’m lucky at the moment and I can put that aside for my child, however if it came to it that money would be used to solely feed him. Before you ask no I’m not working, I’m not claiming benefits as I am not entitled to them, as I have savings and they need to disappear before any assistance is given. I’ve worked every day since I left school and this is my first time out of employment in 33 years, yes I’ve put into the system but that does not give me the automatic right to claim on it - at the end of the day my child is my responsibility no one else’s. To not be entitled you must have more than £16000 in savings - this is I feel correct. Read my illustration above - now do you feel that you could feed your child? Yes it’s my redundancy that I’m living off and that is paying the bills. I saw your illustration and everyone’s circumstances is different, I know my child won’t go hungry and it won’t be from benefit payments (if I have to take them) it will be from managing what little money I have coming in, plus assistance in the way of food parcels from friends and family - because you look out for each other and you make a meal out of what you have even if it’s not a conventional pairing. " You however have redundancy money, you have savings, you have family that have things to spare. Suppose you didn’t? These are the people that need help not people that have other resources. | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X If someone damages your car and you claim against your insurance policy is it a hand out? You pay national insurance and tax partly so that you can claim if you fall in hard times. It's not a hand out Too many have never and will never contribute That’s the issue Sit back and reach out the entitled hand I was on holiday with my kids once I saw a guy sat with his wife and kids outside a pub by the beach His t shirt read “ you work so I don’t have to “ Scum Do you have a figure for this "too many"? 1 is too many "Let me guess..daily mail? | |||
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! Did your benefits ever get stopped? No x Ok sooo accounting for your age this must have been what? 20 years ago? I suggest you have a look at today’s climate and see how you would survive. For someone not working with 2 children UC is about £1000 a month ....... a two bed house in Essex the rent is £1000 a month. It’s not hard to do the maths You choose one of the most expensive places to live to make the point Hmmmmm I expect the OP lived there long before their circumstances changed.
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Haha exactly - shall I tell them all to move North as the rent is cheaper lol
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Good idea
Stoke is practically free in comparison
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know? They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know. Ok they don’t get rent paid they get LHA - eg where I live LHA is £600 a month average 2 bed property (as social housing has all been sold off) is £900 a month. Free school meals - yes and too bloody right too! Although school meals for 2 children is approx £80 a month so hardly breaking the bank. Uniform allowance doesn’t exist for primary schools. Counsel tax support reduced to about £30 a month from £100 (again on the illustrated property) Dentist and prescription yes - both of which for a healthy person are minimal. I know this as I am a volunteer for an organisation that helps people who cannot afford to live. Most of them work on zero hour contract or minimum wage this is where’s the free school meals, prescriptions, eye tests and council tax support doesn’t exist. I'm telling you the benefits the person i know gets So basic allowances to keep you alive is not living on the breadline? Not when they have the latest i phones, flat screen tv, run a car,holiday's abroad every year, eat out regularly and who's kids go without nothing.The latest toys and named trainers I dont call that living on the breadline do you ?" So someone on benefits can afford £600 phones,regular holidays, meals out,trainees ..wanna explain to me how exactly they do that? Its always amazes how people know so much about the financial affairs of strangers | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on "I remember an MP a years ago triumphantly "survived" for a day on unemployment benefit. During which time he didn't pay rent/mortgage, utility bills, council tax or any other outgoings. What a triumph that was. If I'd have been closer I'd have throat punched him. E | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on
During the war me ma fed a family of 28 of us with a jar of dripping
She can do it why cant you?
I'm not sure if you're being honest or sarcastic but I am quite gullible
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Go on, I dare you to make a YouTube blog documenting that.
I dare you to put your money where your mouth is, subject your partner, and kids to that for 6 months, you know, the cold, damp and miserable months here in the UK.
Upload it everyday so you're accountable to it."Bless you I’ve been there And, I’d you read other posts, others have too. As for a you tube blog I’m far to busy and ugly | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on
I remember an MP a years ago triumphantly "survived" for a day on unemployment benefit.
During which time he didn't pay rent/mortgage, utility bills, council tax or any other outgoings.
What a triumph that was.
If I'd have been closer I'd have throat punched him.
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on
I have thanks
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"Maybe I am missing something here but if children are going hungry then surely their parents must be as well? If I was one of these children, my parents would definately go hungry themselves just to ensure I had even just a cheap (but healthy) bowl of porridge for breakfast. For children in this day and age to be going to school hungry, and with all the help that's available, is shocking. The parents should be investigated. Maybe they need help, advice, guidance? Yes for sure! I was on benefits for a year after a relationship breakdown with 3 under 10 year olds and while it's not easy its definitely enough to live on! Did your benefits ever get stopped? No x Ok sooo accounting for your age this must have been what? 20 years ago? I suggest you have a look at today’s climate and see how you would survive. For someone not working with 2 children UC is about £1000 a month ....... a two bed house in Essex the rent is £1000 a month. It’s not hard to do the maths You choose one of the most expensive places to live to make the point Hmmmmm I expect the OP lived there long before their circumstances changed.
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Go on, I dare you to make a YouTube blog documenting that.
I dare you to put your money where your mouth is, subject your partner, and kids to that for 6 months, you know, the cold, damp and miserable months here in the UK.
Upload it everyday so you're accountable to it.
Bless you
I’ve been there
And, I’d you read other posts, others have too.
As for a you tube blog
I’m far to busy and ugly "Has no one joined the f book page feed yourself for £1 a day? It can be done! Obviously that's for one person ! But with carefull shopping/planning it can x | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering. People aren’t saying the government shouldn’t be doing anything, however, the parents are receiving financial support through either benefits or UC. We all receive child benefit, I’m lucky at the moment and I can put that aside for my child, however if it came to it that money would be used to solely feed him. Before you ask no I’m not working, I’m not claiming benefits as I am not entitled to them, as I have savings and they need to disappear before any assistance is given. I’ve worked every day since I left school and this is my first time out of employment in 33 years, yes I’ve put into the system but that does not give me the automatic right to claim on it - at the end of the day my child is my responsibility no one else’s. You're clearly a good parent who is facing a difficult time and your circumstances and choices are allowing you to do the right thing by your child. That's really amazing, but nothing to do with the issue. The issue is with parents who's circumstances and/or decisions are resulting in kids going hungry and facing the prospect of being malnourished. Even if you think those parents have failed in some way, which is a very problematic generalisation in itself, do you think children should suffer as a result? I don't think so. I think ensuring they get fed something is both sensible, compassionate, and a good use of the taxes I've been paying for the last 20-odd years. Anything else is irrelevant. If course parents should look provide for their kids, but they sometimes can't or don't. So should we let those kids starve? What a fucking horrible suggestion." Where have I said a child should starve, I haven’t. If you read my earlier post it will answer your other questions This is not a new thing children being hungry in this country it has been going on for years. Lockdown assistance was there for those that needed it, it was an unusual situation, it was never intended to be a permanent thing. I live in one of the poorest boroughs in the country but everyone has come together and is helping everyone out with food, not just the children but the elderly and other vulnerable individuals as well. No individual is going without food here, as our council are still looking after them in the holidays along with the local community putting in whether financially or food to support those most in need. This is something we’ve always done here though, we didn’t need a virus to show us how to look after others | |||
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"Some people just rely on handouts when they are capable of helping themselves ..... Do you have figures on this? No figures needed but sadly it's true x Well it's not really as they arent handouts they are benefits to help people survive Same thing! X No its not. I have worked all my life. If I lost my job tomorrow and had to rely on benefits to feed me is that a handout? Depends how u look at it I suppose when I was on benefits handouts for a year I felt like it was a hand out yes for sure ! X If someone damages your car and you claim against your insurance policy is it a hand out? You pay national insurance and tax partly so that you can claim if you fall in hard times. It's not a hand out Too many have never and will never contribute That’s the issue Sit back and reach out the entitled hand I was on holiday with my kids once I saw a guy sat with his wife and kids outside a pub by the beach His t shirt read “ you work so I don’t have to “ Scum Do you have a figure for this "too many"? 1 is too many "Ok. That's not really an answer but I understand your view point better. | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on
I have thanks
You have what?
Done a social experiment?
Prove it if so"Prove what ? It wasn’t a bloody social experiment It was called real life Struggling But it’s possible And then........ I got a new job What a concept eh | |||
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know? They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know. Ok they don’t get rent paid they get LHA - eg where I live LHA is £600 a month average 2 bed property (as social housing has all been sold off) is £900 a month. Free school meals - yes and too bloody right too! Although school meals for 2 children is approx £80 a month so hardly breaking the bank. Uniform allowance doesn’t exist for primary schools. Counsel tax support reduced to about £30 a month from £100 (again on the illustrated property) Dentist and prescription yes - both of which for a healthy person are minimal. I know this as I am a volunteer for an organisation that helps people who cannot afford to live. Most of them work on zero hour contract or minimum wage this is where’s the free school meals, prescriptions, eye tests and council tax support doesn’t exist. I'm telling you the benefits the person i know gets So basic allowances to keep you alive is not living on the breadline? Not when they have the latest i phones, flat screen tv, run a car,holiday's abroad every year, eat out regularly and who's kids go without nothing.The latest toys and named trainers I dont call that living on the breadline do you ? So someone on benefits can afford £600 phones,regular holidays, meals out,trainees ..wanna explain to me how exactly they do that? Its always amazes how people know so much about the financial affairs of strangers " It amazes me that people are so judgemental of what is posted on here. These people are not strangers to me. | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Go on, I dare you to make a YouTube blog documenting that.
I dare you to put your money where your mouth is, subject your partner, and kids to that for 6 months, you know, the cold, damp and miserable months here in the UK.
Upload it everyday so you're accountable to it.
Bless you
I’ve been there
And, I’d you read other posts, others have too.
As for a you tube blog
I’m far to busy and ugly
Has no one joined the f book page feed yourself for £1 a day? It can be done! Obviously that's for one person ! But with carefull shopping/planning it can x"A gmnt who has an mp who has a butler and we are squabbling over living on a pound a day. | |||
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"It’s lovely to have the moral support of all these celebrity millionaires who earn in a day what it would cost to sort this I think you're missing the point. There is too much in this that relies on charity. Charity is only needed because governments don't meet the needs of the people. Cal" Also OP is completely missing the fact that the celebrity millionaires, like Marcus Rashford, hand over almost half of their earnings to the Government in tax. On top of that they give their time voluntarily to raise awareness, something their celebrity status allows them to do far more effectively than you or I OP. Keep up the good work I say as no child should go hungry whatever the reasons behind it. | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Breakfast,dinner and tea for family of 4 with £5...no chance....why don't you give it a go for 6 months as a social experiment and let us know how you get on
I remember an MP a years ago triumphantly "survived" for a day on unemployment benefit.
During which time he didn't pay rent/mortgage, utility bills, council tax or any other outgoings.
What a triumph that was.
If I'd have been closer I'd have throat punched him.
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"It's amazing how many people think that children going hu get is purely down to their parents buying iPhones and getting tattoos. I'm sure there are some cases of that but it's few and far between. Even then it seems like people are fine for the child to be punished for their parents choices. While this government give out multi million pound contracts to their pals and tell us there isn't any money to feed children... Absolutely revolting Do you actually know anyone whos children receive free school meals? I do, and in my experience those are exactly the type of people I described, the ones who brought kids into the world with the aim of living a life on benefits. In a darker time when I changed jobs but had to go without a months pay because of a payroll fuck up, i had to use a food bank and it was a real eye opener...mainly d*unks and addicts who were in and out and all collecting their winnings in a group at the end of the street with cans in their hands laughing and joking at what theyd got. That was disgusting. Genuine people in genuine need rightly so should seek help, but we have way too many in this country who take the absolute piss and think everyone else owes them a living without putting themselves out. People have children simply to rely on benefits. Even on here that's a new low. I know 2 people who have had children to help them get a local authority flat and the benefits that go with being a single parent. I'm related to both of them. I doubt they are the only ones. I strongly suspect (and hope) those who choose this route are in the minority, unfortunately the gutter press will have us all believe they're the majority. I remember something a wise man once told me. "We're all one wage packet away from being homeless" I totally understand the sentiment. E So they have told you they specifically had children so they can live a life on the breadline? They realise the benefits stip when the child hits 18 so perhaps not the greatest plan in the world? For some (not all)the benefits they receive most certainly do not have to live on the breadline. You have a link for this? No. It's my opinion based on people i know So you dont really know? They are on benefits. Get their rent paid. Pay a minimal council tax. Get free prescriptions. Free dental care. School uniform allowance. Free school dinners. So yes i do know. Ok they don’t get rent paid they get LHA - eg where I live LHA is £600 a month average 2 bed property (as social housing has all been sold off) is £900 a month. Free school meals - yes and too bloody right too! Although school meals for 2 children is approx £80 a month so hardly breaking the bank. Uniform allowance doesn’t exist for primary schools. Counsel tax support reduced to about £30 a month from £100 (again on the illustrated property) Dentist and prescription yes - both of which for a healthy person are minimal. I know this as I am a volunteer for an organisation that helps people who cannot afford to live. Most of them work on zero hour contract or minimum wage this is where’s the free school meals, prescriptions, eye tests and council tax support doesn’t exist. I'm telling you the benefits the person i know gets So basic allowances to keep you alive is not living on the breadline? Not when they have the latest i phones, flat screen tv, run a car,holiday's abroad every year, eat out regularly and who's kids go without nothing.The latest toys and named trainers I dont call that living on the breadline do you ? So someone on benefits can afford £600 phones,regular holidays, meals out,trainees ..wanna explain to me how exactly they do that? Its always amazes how people know so much about the financial affairs of strangers It amazes me that people are so judgemental of what is posted on here. These people are not strangers to me. " Because what you are saying is simply impossible | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
I used to feed my family of 4 on 15/20 a week, 5 gas, 5 electric and 5 food, and the washing powder.
Bad times, but i did it"£40 a month for gas and electricity? Who’s your supplier I want to change. To claim UC you need the internet you cannot claim through paper/ phone now - so add that in. I want a shopping list of how you think four can be fed for £5 a week - toiletries? Sanitary items? ..... | |||
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"Someone said the other day there were a single parent with 4 kids and got about £2600 a month to live on. About 520 each a week So can someone explain on that how can you afford..food,Bill's.clothes top of the range phones,holidays,sky.holiday homes,eating out etc etc on that?" You’re kidding right? | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Go on, I dare you to make a YouTube blog documenting that.
I dare you to put your money where your mouth is, subject your partner, and kids to that for 6 months, you know, the cold, damp and miserable months here in the UK.
Upload it everyday so you're accountable to it.
Bless you
I’ve been there
And, I’d you read other posts, others have too.
As for a you tube blog
I’m far to busy and ugly "So, a coward then. A man who bitches but won't be held accountable. Care to say what year it was, when you were in a position where 12x meals stretched to £5, what your financial strengths and liabilities were, and what support you got? | |||
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"Someone said the other day there were a single parent with 4 kids and got about £2600 a month to live on. About 520 each a week So can someone explain on that how can you afford..food,Bill's.clothes top of the range phones,holidays,sky.holiday homes,eating out etc etc on that?" That sum is more than I used to take home a month after paying my taxes. You can feed, clothe and house yourself quite comfortably on that amount, but you forgo the top of the range, you make do and appreciate what you have and holidays are a treat if affordable. | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering. People aren’t saying the government shouldn’t be doing anything, however, the parents are receiving financial support through either benefits or UC. We all receive child benefit, I’m lucky at the moment and I can put that aside for my child, however if it came to it that money would be used to solely feed him. Before you ask no I’m not working, I’m not claiming benefits as I am not entitled to them, as I have savings and they need to disappear before any assistance is given. I’ve worked every day since I left school and this is my first time out of employment in 33 years, yes I’ve put into the system but that does not give me the automatic right to claim on it - at the end of the day my child is my responsibility no one else’s. You're clearly a good parent who is facing a difficult time and your circumstances and choices are allowing you to do the right thing by your child. That's really amazing, but nothing to do with the issue. The issue is with parents who's circumstances and/or decisions are resulting in kids going hungry and facing the prospect of being malnourished. Even if you think those parents have failed in some way, which is a very problematic generalisation in itself, do you think children should suffer as a result? I don't think so. I think ensuring they get fed something is both sensible, compassionate, and a good use of the taxes I've been paying for the last 20-odd years. Anything else is irrelevant. If course parents should look provide for their kids, but they sometimes can't or don't. So should we let those kids starve? What a fucking horrible suggestion. Where have I said a child should starve, I haven’t. If you read my earlier post it will answer your other questions This is not a new thing children being hungry in this country it has been going on for years. Lockdown assistance was there for those that needed it, it was an unusual situation, it was never intended to be a permanent thing. I live in one of the poorest boroughs in the country but everyone has come together and is helping everyone out with food, not just the children but the elderly and other vulnerable individuals as well. No individual is going without food here, as our council are still looking after them in the holidays along with the local community putting in whether financially or food to support those most in need. This is something we’ve always done here though, we didn’t need a virus to show us how to look after others " We are one of the richest countries on the planet and children have been going hungry for years. That is wrong. As simple as that. | |||
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"That's deflecting from the government's responsibility to ensure no one goes hungry though It's my responsibility to ensure my family don't go hungry. E Absolutely this! Many of those pleading such poverty are more than likely covered in tattoos (an expensive luxury), have the latest iPhone, their kids have the latest games consoles, and they all wear the most expensive trainers and clothing. As a single working mum to two (now grown) who struggled for many years to provide for them, we had what we could afford and nothing more, but my priorities were feeding them and keeping a roof over their heads
This is absolutely spot on
Downgrade your phone
Sell the playstations
Get rid of sky tv
Stop smoking and drinking
Ect ect
Easy to feed a family of 4 on £5 a day
Go on, I dare you to make a YouTube blog documenting that.
I dare you to put your money where your mouth is, subject your partner, and kids to that for 6 months, you know, the cold, damp and miserable months here in the UK.
Upload it everyday so you're accountable to it.
Bless you
I’ve been there
And, I’d you read other posts, others have too.
As for a you tube blog
I’m far to busy and ugly "Yeah course you have....definitely didn't happen! You definitely read the daily fail and the s*n | |||
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"Some massively callous arseholes on this thread. To me it's pretty simple... the main function of the welfare state is to create a safety net to help those who can't help themselves. Children absolutely fall into that category. If they've got parents who have abandoned their duty of care then it's even more important that this support exists. Ensuring that they're fed is absolutely essential. Ordinary people saying the gmnt should do nothing to help kids going hungry. Quite staggering. People aren’t saying the government shouldn’t be doing anything, however, the parents are receiving financial support through either benefits or UC. We all receive child benefit, I’m lucky at the moment and I can put that aside for my child, however if it came to it that money would be used to solely feed him. Before you ask no I’m not working, I’m not claiming benefits as I am not entitled to them, as I have savings and they need to disappear before any assistance is given. I’ve worked every day since I left school and this is my first time out of employment in 33 years, yes I’ve put into the system but that does not give me the automatic right to claim on it - at the end of the day my child is my responsibility no one else’s. You're clearly a good parent who is facing a difficult time and your circumstances and choices are allowing you to do the right thing by your child. That's really amazing, but nothing to do with the issue. The issue is with parents who's circumstances and/or decisions are resulting in kids going hungry and facing the prospect of being malnourished. Even if you think those parents have failed in some way, which is a very problematic generalisation in itself, do you think children should suffer as a result? I don't think so. I think ensuring they get fed something is both sensible, compassionate, and a good use of the taxes I've been paying for the last 20-odd years. Anything else is irrelevant. If course parents should look provide for their kids, but they sometimes can't or don't. So should we let those kids starve? What a fucking horrible suggestion. Where have I said a child should starve, I haven’t. If you read my earlier post it will answer your other questions This is not a new thing children being hungry in this country it has been going on for years. Lockdown assistance was there for those that needed it, it was an unusual situation, it was never intended to be a permanent thing. I live in one of the poorest boroughs in the country but everyone has come together and is helping everyone out with food, not just the children but the elderly and other vulnerable individuals as well. No individual is going without food here, as our council are still looking after them in the holidays along with the local community putting in whether financially or food to support those most in need. This is something we’ve always done here though, we didn’t need a virus to show us how to look after others " My question was to some of the other views on the thread. It's great that your community has come together and people are being fed, but irrelevant. My point is the support should be there for those that don't because no child should go hungry in the UK. I'm glad the Scottish and Welsh governments are funding school meals in holidays and that should apply across the whole UK. | |||
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