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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Guardian online have an interesting article on the decision not to routinely release footage from body worn cameras..

Sensible or a cover-up..

Public cannot be trusted ?

You decide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do they need to release the footage?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Why do they need to release the footage? "

Read the article..

Home Secretary suggested it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A sensible thought is that it should help protect certain ppl given the situation

The tin foil hat suggestion is that its to cover up what they dont want the public to see.. though the sensible counter to that is to avoid unnecessary public backlash from those who just want to use any excuse to blame the police for something

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should see how people look at body camera footage.

In America recently a man was chasing a police officer with a large knife above his head.

The officer stopped and shot the man killing him.

Even though the footage showed the officer had given warnings and he was at risk of serious injury or death the next day protesters were out in force smashing things up and demanding the office be bought to justice.

People see what they want to see.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They do...

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By *kyblue1878Couple
over a year ago

Southport

There's been loads of occasions where the police have been prevented from releasing Body Worn Video which would have resolved a situation where arseholes have recorded police on mobile phones and only released part of the footage to discredit the police when the whole incident and context would have clearly vindicated the action police took.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Are they hiding behind something.. ?

Feds need to held to account..

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By *heltenhamBiGuyMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I lost interest at "The Guardian online...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Useless scummy cunts never met a cop that wasnt a stuck up arrogant prick and yes i will say that if i needed them cos i never will

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"Should see how people look at body camera footage.

In America recently a man was chasing a police officer with a large knife above his head.

The officer stopped and shot the man killing him.

Even though the footage showed the officer had given warnings and he was at risk of serious injury or death the next day protesters were out in force smashing things up and demanding the office be bought to justice.

People see what they want to see.

"

Exactly this.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

One guy was filmed simultainously by cctv and cam footage in this police cruiser in america last week he was shown walking down this main street with a long piece of smouldering timber at the end walking towards these cars when the state trooper told him to stop the guy told the copper to **** off so the copper proceeded to carry on behind him where suddenly the guy turned round and rammed the smouldering timber right through the door window the copper discharged his gun at the guy but the guy was not hit but was caught by another police officer just around the corner.. it was quite harrowing footage to watch.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"One guy was filmed simultainously by cctv and cam footage in this police cruiser in america last week he was shown walking down this main street with a long piece of smouldering timber at the end walking towards these cars when the state trooper told him to stop the guy told the copper to **** off so the copper proceeded to carry on behind him where suddenly the guy turned round and rammed the smouldering timber right through the door window the copper discharged his gun at the guy but the guy was not hit but was caught by another police officer just around the corner.. it was quite harrowing footage to watch. "
The officer got minor burns but the cruiser was pretty well burnt threw before the emergency services got there.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

If they are found not to be undertaking their jobs correctly, it becomes an internal employment matter, to some extent.

It's reasonable that if they have agreed to release footage, if they fail to be able to, due to their errors, that they explain and commit to a revised timeframe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is it they are always telling us with regards to cctv? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watching a police body cam would be incredibly boring for all, just walking about...don’t know anyone would want to see it ?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"The Guardian online have an interesting article on the decision not to routinely release footage from body worn cameras..

Sensible or a cover-up..

Public cannot be trusted ?

You decide"

I've not read the story but in my opinion, there are several reasons not to make police camera footage publicly available.

1. Often footage contains images of unrelated people.

2. If court cases are pending, releasing evidence could compromise a fair trial.

3. Could make it easy for criminals to identify witnesses and pokice officers.

etc...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are they hiding behind something.. ?

Feds need to held to account.. "

Feds? On the streets of Leighton Buzzard?

But yeah, other than that I agree with you fella.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

We don’t have feds in the U.K.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"What is it they are always telling us with regards to cctv? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear... "

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"We don’t have feds in the U.K. "

And this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here we go again.

The police are accountable. Things aren’t swept under the carpet just because the camera footage is not released to the public.

The public are not our judge and jury. There are PLENTY of incidents that are too sensitive to for public viewing. There are plenty of incidents where the public will judge the polices actions based on footage that they know NOTHING about, because they have never come face to face with with someone with a knife, someone so high on drugs that they want to “cut your head off” or the domestic violence call where the victim has been beaten to a pulp and the offender is so high on adrenaline that taser has no effect.

Where do you draw the line? Would you like to see everything? The officer first on scene to an RTC, desperately trying to keep them alive until paramedics get there?

Or the officer that performs CPR for 20 minutes until paramedics arrive?

Would you like to see that their first aid training is up to scratch?

Again, the public are not and should not, be judge and jury.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Yes, publicly available is way, way too far. Available to the relevant authorities and kept for a certain period of time. Like CCTV.

I don't think accountability is a yes/no question, there are degrees of accountability.

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By *essiejamesABCCouple
over a year ago

Salisbury


"Here we go again.

The police are accountable. Things aren’t swept under the carpet just because the camera footage is not released to the public.

The public are not our judge and jury. There are PLENTY of incidents that are too sensitive to for public viewing. There are plenty of incidents where the public will judge the polices actions based on footage that they know NOTHING about, because they have never come face to face with with someone with a knife, someone so high on drugs that they want to “cut your head off” or the domestic violence call where the victim has been beaten to a pulp and the offender is so high on adrenaline that taser has no effect.

Where do you draw the line? Would you like to see everything? The officer first on scene to an RTC, desperately trying to keep them alive until paramedics get there?

Or the officer that performs CPR for 20 minutes until paramedics arrive?

Would you like to see that their first aid training is up to scratch?

Again, the public are not and should not, be judge and jury."

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Yes, publicly available is way, way too far. Available to the relevant authorities and kept for a certain period of time. Like CCTV.

I don't think accountability is a yes/no question, there are degrees of accountability."

The body cams will be classed as cctv, they will come under all the same rules and regulations. Every one wearing one will also have "signage" on their person indicating the have it, the footage is subject to all of the data retention and protection regulations.

Cal

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Yes, publicly available is way, way too far. Available to the relevant authorities and kept for a certain period of time. Like CCTV.

I don't think accountability is a yes/no question, there are degrees of accountability.

The body cams will be classed as cctv, they will come under all the same rules and regulations. Every one wearing one will also have "signage" on their person indicating the have it, the footage is subject to all of the data retention and protection regulations.

Cal"

That's fine by me. Another non issue, it seems.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Yes, publicly available is way, way too far. Available to the relevant authorities and kept for a certain period of time. Like CCTV.

I don't think accountability is a yes/no question, there are degrees of accountability.

The body cams will be classed as cctv, they will come under all the same rules and regulations. Every one wearing one will also have "signage" on their person indicating the have it, the footage is subject to all of the data retention and protection regulations.

Cal

That's fine by me. Another non issue, it seems."

A non issue to some but not others ..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Yes, publicly available is way, way too far. Available to the relevant authorities and kept for a certain period of time. Like CCTV.

I don't think accountability is a yes/no question, there are degrees of accountability.

The body cams will be classed as cctv, they will come under all the same rules and regulations. Every one wearing one will also have "signage" on their person indicating the have it, the footage is subject to all of the data retention and protection regulations.

Cal

That's fine by me. Another non issue, it seems.

A non issue to some but not others .. "

What's the issue, Tom?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Useless scummy cunts never met a cop that wasnt a stuck up arrogant prick and yes i will say that if i needed them cos i never will "

I find people who hold this opinion usually do so because they have been on the wrong side of the law.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Yes, publicly available is way, way too far. Available to the relevant authorities and kept for a certain period of time. Like CCTV.

I don't think accountability is a yes/no question, there are degrees of accountability.

The body cams will be classed as cctv, they will come under all the same rules and regulations. Every one wearing one will also have "signage" on their person indicating the have it, the footage is subject to all of the data retention and protection regulations.

Cal

That's fine by me. Another non issue, it seems.

A non issue to some but not others ..

What's the issue, Tom?"

My point is that your issues are not always everyone else's issue and other people's issue are not always your issue.

Hope that helps you to understand

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Yes, publicly available is way, way too far. Available to the relevant authorities and kept for a certain period of time. Like CCTV.

I don't think accountability is a yes/no question, there are degrees of accountability.

The body cams will be classed as cctv, they will come under all the same rules and regulations. Every one wearing one will also have "signage" on their person indicating the have it, the footage is subject to all of the data retention and protection regulations.

Cal

That's fine by me. Another non issue, it seems.

A non issue to some but not others ..

What's the issue, Tom?

My point is that your issues are not always everyone else's issue and other people's issue are not always your issue.

Hope that helps you to understand "

"It seems" seems pertinent here. As in, that's my perception.

No, doesn't help me understand at all because you've told me different people have different perspectives, which tells me nothing.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Yes, publicly available is way, way too far. Available to the relevant authorities and kept for a certain period of time. Like CCTV.

I don't think accountability is a yes/no question, there are degrees of accountability.

The body cams will be classed as cctv, they will come under all the same rules and regulations. Every one wearing one will also have "signage" on their person indicating the have it, the footage is subject to all of the data retention and protection regulations.

Cal

That's fine by me. Another non issue, it seems.

A non issue to some but not others ..

What's the issue, Tom?

My point is that your issues are not always everyone else's issue and other people's issue are not always your issue.

Hope that helps you to understand

"It seems" seems pertinent here. As in, that's my perception.

No, doesn't help me understand at all because you've told me different people have different perspectives, which tells me nothing. "

Well my point is that you are calling it a non issue. The national press are reporting.. it may be a non issue to you but it may be an issue to others.. your comment is subjective not objective..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

Well my point is that you are calling it a non issue. The national press are reporting.. it may be a non issue to you but it may be an issue to others.. your comment is subjective not objective.. "

That's what "it seems" means. That that's my subjective perspective.

Hope that helps

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"

Well my point is that you are calling it a non issue. The national press are reporting.. it may be a non issue to you but it may be an issue to others.. your comment is subjective not objective..

That's what "it seems" means. That that's my subjective perspective.

Hope that helps "

Yes totally subjective for you...maybe move along.. nothing to see here...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

Well my point is that you are calling it a non issue. The national press are reporting.. it may be a non issue to you but it may be an issue to others.. your comment is subjective not objective..

That's what "it seems" means. That that's my subjective perspective.

Hope that helps

Yes totally subjective for you...maybe move along.. nothing to see here... "

I asked you what the issue was? I'm interested in hearing your answer.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"

Well my point is that you are calling it a non issue. The national press are reporting.. it may be a non issue to you but it may be an issue to others.. your comment is subjective not objective..

That's what "it seems" means. That that's my subjective perspective.

Hope that helps

Yes totally subjective for you...maybe move along.. nothing to see here...

I asked you what the issue was? I'm interested in hearing your answer."

Read my first post...opening debate which some would love to shut down...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

Well my point is that you are calling it a non issue. The national press are reporting.. it may be a non issue to you but it may be an issue to others.. your comment is subjective not objective..

That's what "it seems" means. That that's my subjective perspective.

Hope that helps

Yes totally subjective for you...maybe move along.. nothing to see here...

I asked you what the issue was? I'm interested in hearing your answer.

Read my first post...opening debate which some would love to shut down..."

I did, I answered, and then you played semantics with a later post.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I opened a debate.. you said there was no issue..

Move along .. nothing to see.. easy as you go..

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

MK

they dont need to release it, only if they are forced, its confidential data

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"Useless scummy cunts never met a cop that wasnt a stuck up arrogant prick and yes i will say that if i needed them cos i never will

I find people who hold this opinion usually do so because they have been on the wrong side of the law. "

you are spot on, any law abiding decent human beings don't have issues with the police

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By *ebel Red HotWoman
over a year ago

York


"Useless scummy cunts never met a cop that wasnt a stuck up arrogant prick and yes i will say that if i needed them cos i never will

I find people who hold this opinion usually do so because they have been on the wrong side of the law.

you are spot on, any law abiding decent human beings don't have issues with the police"

Its when they catch people doing things they shouldn't they get uppity and scream and scream and scream till they are sick about the police

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"Useless scummy cunts never met a cop that wasnt a stuck up arrogant prick and yes i will say that if i needed them cos i never will

I find people who hold this opinion usually do so because they have been on the wrong side of the law.

you are spot on, any law abiding decent human beings don't have issues with the police

Its when they catch people doing things they shouldn't they get uppity and scream and scream and scream till they are sick about the police "

yep, idiots!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Useless scummy cunts never met a cop that wasnt a stuck up arrogant prick and yes i will say that if i needed them cos i never will

I find people who hold this opinion usually do so because they have been on the wrong side of the law.

you are spot on, any law abiding decent human beings don't have issues with the police

Its when they catch people doing things they shouldn't they get uppity and scream and scream and scream till they are sick about the police "

Indeed.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And if your innocent on the wrong side of the law. ?

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By *lirty_dirtyCouple
over a year ago

Lingfield

The police do a truly amazing job in the most difficult and unpleasant of situations. They really are heroes amongst us. We are very lucky to live in a society with such a professional police service. There are already checks in place with professional standards being upheld and the release of body cam footage should only be done when deemed necessary

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"And if your innocent on the wrong side of the law. ?"

The innocent are not generally on the wrong side of the law... but then who is genuinely innocent?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And if the feds stitch you up

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"And if the feds stitch you up "

I think you have been watching too much crap tv

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

What do they hide tho?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"And if the feds stitch you up "

They'll probably deport you, or send you to Guantanamo by... maybe lock you up in alcatraz.

Luckily we don't have fed in the uk.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"And if the feds stitch you up

They'll probably deport you, or send you to Guantanamo by... maybe lock you up in alcatraz.

Luckily we don't have fed in the uk."

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"What do they hide tho?"

The dictionaries?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Birmingham 6 ?

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"What do they hide tho?

The dictionaries? "

steady, you will be accused of being the spelling feds!

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Just terminology.. depends which part of the country you are from and who you mix with...

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I imagine up north the village Bobby is not the same as down south

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"I imagine up north the village Bobby is not the same as down south "

in what way?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They have got rid of most of them down here..

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"They have got rid of most of them down here.. "

the numbers have been decimated all over

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They different up north though

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"They have got rid of most of them down here.. "
What no Community police officers..?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"They have got rid of most of them down here.. What no Community police officers..?"

None

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I imagine up north the village Bobby is not the same as down south

in what way?"

Less rhyming slang?

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"They have got rid of most of them down here.. What no Community police officers..?

None"
Thats not the norm around here luckily we still get both on a regular basis.. how does your area cope without any.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"They have got rid of most of them down here.. What no Community police officers..?"

are you referring to the neighbourhood officers or the PCSO's

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"They have got rid of most of them down here.. What no Community police officers..?

are you referring to the neighbourhood officers or the PCSO's"
yes neibourhood officers there called community police here.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"They have got rid of most of them down here.. What no Community police officers..?

are you referring to the neighbourhood officers or the PCSO'syes neibourhood officers there called community police here."

I believe there are still a few round here

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"They have got rid of most of them down here.. What no Community police officers..?

are you referring to the neighbourhood officers or the PCSO'syes neibourhood officers there called community police here.

I believe there are still a few round here"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And if the feds stitch you up "

Stitch you up how exactly?

Body worn camera footage is viewable to those who need to see it. The general public do not need to see the majority of footage.

I refer to my earlier post. The public are not judge and jury of the Police Service.

Next, you will be saying “but I pay their wages”

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"And if the feds stitch you up

Stitch you up how exactly?

Body worn camera footage is viewable to those who need to see it. The general public do not need to see the majority of footage.

I refer to my earlier post. The public are not judge and jury of the Police Service.

Next, you will be saying “but I pay their wages” "

But I pay their wages...

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By *own and countryCouple
over a year ago

Tewkesbury

The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!"

Don't think they are being slagged off. Just a debate about the release of video footage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!"

Or, those that are good officers are sick of the constant criticism from the media and general public who think they know better and decide to leave. Morale for serving Police officers is at an all time low.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!"
they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink "

I’m not sure which is funnier, the over paid part or the irony in your posts.

Ps. Their shit doesn’t stink

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!

Or, those that are good officers are sick of the constant criticism from the media and general public who think they know better and decide to leave. Morale for serving Police officers is at an all time low."

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink "

you really are a waste of valuable oxygen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Guardian online have an interesting article on the decision not to routinely release footage from body worn cameras..

Sensible or a cover-up..

Public cannot be trusted ?

You decide

I've not read the story but in my opinion, there are several reasons not to make police camera footage publicly available.

1. Often footage contains images of unrelated people.

2. If court cases are pending, releasing evidence could compromise a fair trial.

3. Could make it easy for criminals to identify witnesses and pokice officers.

etc..."

This, exactly! I love the number of people on here who feel the need to spread conspiracy theories with little or no evidence. I presume all those people are entirely off grid otherwise 'they' will get them! The feds are probably preparing raid their homes and take them to secret detention camps for water torture as enemies of the state. Oh, wait, that's from movies not real-life in the UK isn't it.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The police do a truly amazing job in the most difficult and unpleasant of situations. They really are heroes amongst us. We are very lucky to live in a society with such a professional police service. There are already checks in place with professional standards being upheld and the release of body cam footage should only be done when deemed necessary "

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"The police do a truly amazing job in the most difficult and unpleasant of situations. They really are heroes amongst us. We are very lucky to live in a society with such a professional police service. There are already checks in place with professional standards being upheld and the release of body cam footage should only be done when deemed necessary "

well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!

Don't think they are being slagged off. Just a debate about the release of video footage "

Ok, so as an extension of the same theme.....

Should other CCTV be made public, in case it shows something that you believe is being hidden? Your ring doorbell, your work CCTV, cameras from fast food car parks etc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

you really are a waste of valuable oxygen"
breathing deeply all based on personal observations thanks for the love tho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink "

I'll take a wild stab in the dark that you've never served in either the armed forces or a public service role. Like any job, you'll always get some good and some bad. The majority of people in these roles have little power or freedom and are subjected to staggering levels of abuse and risk, often from the people they have to help every day. Imagine that being your day. Every day.

Let's take your point and abolish the police, the ambulance and fire services and you can send for yourself instead?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Here we go again.

The police are accountable. Things aren’t swept under the carpet just because the camera footage is not released to the public.

The public are not our judge and jury. There are PLENTY of incidents that are too sensitive to for public viewing. There are plenty of incidents where the public will judge the polices actions based on footage that they know NOTHING about, because they have never come face to face with with someone with a knife, someone so high on drugs that they want to “cut your head off” or the domestic violence call where the victim has been beaten to a pulp and the offender is so high on adrenaline that taser has no effect.

Where do you draw the line? Would you like to see everything? The officer first on scene to an RTC, desperately trying to keep them alive until paramedics get there?

Or the officer that performs CPR for 20 minutes until paramedics arrive?

Would you like to see that their first aid training is up to scratch?

Again, the public are not and should not, be judge and jury."

That is left to the members of the public to hide behind mobiles phones, filming the police and then uploading it to their preferred social media site.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The Guardian online have an interesting article on the decision not to routinely release footage from body worn cameras..

Sensible or a cover-up..

Public cannot be trusted ?

You decide

I've not read the story but in my opinion, there are several reasons not to make police camera footage publicly available.

1. Often footage contains images of unrelated people.

2. If court cases are pending, releasing evidence could compromise a fair trial.

3. Could make it easy for criminals to identify witnesses and pokice officers.

etc...

This, exactly! I love the number of people on here who feel the need to spread conspiracy theories with little or no evidence. I presume all those people are entirely off grid otherwise 'they' will get them! The feds are probably preparing raid their homes and take them to secret detention camps for water torture as enemies of the state. Oh, wait, that's from movies not real-life in the UK isn't it....... "

Wasn't the UK complicit in torture by allowing UK planes to refuel here and use our air space knowing the planes were sending prisoners to be interrogated and tortured

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

you really are a waste of valuable oxygenbreathing deeply all based on personal observations thanks for the love tho"

the only love you will experience is from your cellmate, goodbye.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

I'll take a wild stab in the dark that you've never served in either the armed forces or a public service role. Like any job, you'll always get some good and some bad. The majority of people in these roles have little power or freedom and are subjected to staggering levels of abuse and risk, often from the people they have to help every day. Imagine that being your day. Every day.

Let's take your point and abolish the police, the ambulance and fire services and you can send for yourself instead?"

wonder if he was out on day release?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The Guardian online have an interesting article on the decision not to routinely release footage from body worn cameras..

Sensible or a cover-up..

Public cannot be trusted ?

You decide

I've not read the story but in my opinion, there are several reasons not to make police camera footage publicly available.

1. Often footage contains images of unrelated people.

2. If court cases are pending, releasing evidence could compromise a fair trial.

3. Could make it easy for criminals to identify witnesses and pokice officers.

etc...

This, exactly! I love the number of people on here who feel the need to spread conspiracy theories with little or no evidence. I presume all those people are entirely off grid otherwise 'they' will get them! The feds are probably preparing raid their homes and take them to secret detention camps for water torture as enemies of the state. Oh, wait, that's from movies not real-life in the UK isn't it.......

Wasn't the UK complicit in torture by allowing UK planes to refuel here and use our air space knowing the planes were sending prisoners to be interrogated and tortured "

For those interested it was a report by Amnesty International from 2005 which is still available if you search their website

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The police in the UK have a very poor reputation and well earned at that.

Every time they engage with a member of the public it is on the basis of profiling and soliciting for a crime.

If there is no complaint from the public and the officer has not seen a crime being committed, they should not be bothering people they don't like the look of, profiling and soliciting, that's the reputation of todays unformed constable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

you really are a waste of valuable oxygenbreathing deeply all based on personal observations thanks for the love tho

the only love you will experience is from your cellmate, goodbye."
coming from a guy who spends his day playing with mens guns is that a compliment maybe? All im saying is iv seen them at there worst many many times so possibly they need to do personality profiles on the arrogant cunt staff they employ sending 15 guys to arrest a skinny 15 year old boy like i saw happen just last week while working bouncing him off everything in sight goading him while hes cuffed up one of many instances iv seen them fail

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

you really are a waste of valuable oxygenbreathing deeply all based on personal observations thanks for the love tho

the only love you will experience is from your cellmate, goodbye.coming from a guy who spends his day playing with mens guns is that a compliment maybe? All im saying is iv seen them at there worst many many times so possibly they need to do personality profiles on the arrogant cunt staff they employ sending 15 guys to arrest a skinny 15 year old boy like i saw happen just last week while working bouncing him off everything in sight goading him while hes cuffed up one of many instances iv seen them fail "
did you make a complaint about what you witnessed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

you really are a waste of valuable oxygenbreathing deeply all based on personal observations thanks for the love tho

the only love you will experience is from your cellmate, goodbye.coming from a guy who spends his day playing with mens guns is that a compliment maybe? All im saying is iv seen them at there worst many many times so possibly they need to do personality profiles on the arrogant cunt staff they employ sending 15 guys to arrest a skinny 15 year old boy like i saw happen just last week while working bouncing him off everything in sight goading him while hes cuffed up one of many instances iv seen them fail did you make a complaint about what you witnessed?"
why bother its not the first time iv seen this kind of thing i was raised on a council estate im not getting involved in that crap il just keep my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

you really are a waste of valuable oxygenbreathing deeply all based on personal observations thanks for the love tho

the only love you will experience is from your cellmate, goodbye.coming from a guy who spends his day playing with mens guns is that a compliment maybe? All im saying is iv seen them at there worst many many times so possibly they need to do personality profiles on the arrogant cunt staff they employ sending 15 guys to arrest a skinny 15 year old boy like i saw happen just last week while working bouncing him off everything in sight goading him while hes cuffed up one of many instances iv seen them fail did you make a complaint about what you witnessed?why bother its not the first time iv seen this kind of thing i was raised on a council estate im not getting involved in that crap il just keep my opinion "

Well there we go. If you believed excessive force was used by police while detaining someone then you should have reported it so it could be investigated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The police in the UK have a very poor reputation and well earned at that.

Every time they engage with a member of the public it is on the basis of profiling and soliciting for a crime.

If there is no complaint from the public and the officer has not seen a crime being committed, they should not be bothering people they don't like the look of, profiling and soliciting, that's the reputation of todays unformed constable. "

What an odd view to have. So people should be allowed to carry weapons or drugs on their person and police officers should ignore them because they haven’t waved them around?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

you really are a waste of valuable oxygenbreathing deeply all based on personal observations thanks for the love tho

the only love you will experience is from your cellmate, goodbye.coming from a guy who spends his day playing with mens guns is that a compliment maybe? All im saying is iv seen them at there worst many many times so possibly they need to do personality profiles on the arrogant cunt staff they employ sending 15 guys to arrest a skinny 15 year old boy like i saw happen just last week while working bouncing him off everything in sight goading him while hes cuffed up one of many instances iv seen them fail did you make a complaint about what you witnessed?why bother its not the first time iv seen this kind of thing i was raised on a council estate im not getting involved in that crap il just keep my opinion

Well there we go. If you believed excessive force was used by police while detaining someone then you should have reported it so it could be investigated. "

Not sure that would be wise.. if it was a heavy villain, tooled up and knows that you complained might not end well.. best to look away...

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

you really are a waste of valuable oxygenbreathing deeply all based on personal observations thanks for the love tho

the only love you will experience is from your cellmate, goodbye.coming from a guy who spends his day playing with mens guns is that a compliment maybe? All im saying is iv seen them at there worst many many times so possibly they need to do personality profiles on the arrogant cunt staff they employ sending 15 guys to arrest a skinny 15 year old boy like i saw happen just last week while working bouncing him off everything in sight goading him while hes cuffed up one of many instances iv seen them fail did you make a complaint about what you witnessed?why bother its not the first time iv seen this kind of thing i was raised on a council estate im not getting involved in that crap il just keep my opinion

Well there we go. If you believed excessive force was used by police while detaining someone then you should have reported it so it could be investigated.

Not sure that would be wise.. if it was a heavy villain, tooled up and knows that you complained might not end well.. best to look away..."
but you’re complaining on the villains behalf so why would he have a problem with you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The police in the UK have a very poor reputation and well earned at that.

Every time they engage with a member of the public it is on the basis of profiling and soliciting for a crime.

If there is no complaint from the public and the officer has not seen a crime being committed, they should not be bothering people they don't like the look of, profiling and soliciting, that's the reputation of todays unformed constable.

What an odd view to have. So people should be allowed to carry weapons or drugs on their person and police officers should ignore them because they haven’t waved them around?"

Is that what i said? if the police have reports of such goings on concerning a named person, arrest them gather evidence and put it to the CPS, going on a fishing expedition can never be called policing by consent, just because a person is in a high crime area or fits the profile is not grounds for a stop and search. but that's what they do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The way the police are getting slagged off , very soon nobody will want to be one !!they deserve the abuse arrogant useless pricks overpaid milk monitors almost every one of them iv ever met including former team mates who joined you see it on tv i joined the police to help people bolox you joined for the power rush it gives you for every so called good cop il give you 50 dickheads even the women coppers think there shit dont stink

you really are a waste of valuable oxygenbreathing deeply all based on personal observations thanks for the love tho

the only love you will experience is from your cellmate, goodbye.coming from a guy who spends his day playing with mens guns is that a compliment maybe? All im saying is iv seen them at there worst many many times so possibly they need to do personality profiles on the arrogant cunt staff they employ sending 15 guys to arrest a skinny 15 year old boy like i saw happen just last week while working bouncing him off everything in sight goading him while hes cuffed up one of many instances iv seen them fail did you make a complaint about what you witnessed?why bother its not the first time iv seen this kind of thing i was raised on a council estate im not getting involved in that crap il just keep my opinion

Well there we go. If you believed excessive force was used by police while detaining someone then you should have reported it so it could be investigated.

Not sure that would be wise.. if it was a heavy villain, tooled up and knows that you complained might not end well.. best to look away... but you’re complaining on the villains behalf so why would he have a problem with you ? "

This.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The police in the UK have a very poor reputation and well earned at that.

Every time they engage with a member of the public it is on the basis of profiling and soliciting for a crime.

If there is no complaint from the public and the officer has not seen a crime being committed, they should not be bothering people they don't like the look of, profiling and soliciting, that's the reputation of todays unformed constable.

What an odd view to have. So people should be allowed to carry weapons or drugs on their person and police officers should ignore them because they haven’t waved them around?

Is that what i said? if the police have reports of such goings on concerning a named person, arrest them gather evidence and put it to the CPS, going on a fishing expedition can never be called policing by consent, just because a person is in a high crime area or fits the profile is not grounds for a stop and search. but that's what they do. "

Or maybe, said person looks shifty when they spot a police officer, police officer spots that and decides to stop and search to find out why they look shifty. If they have nothing to hide they would consent to a search without any drama.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The police in the UK have a very poor reputation and well earned at that.

Every time they engage with a member of the public it is on the basis of profiling and soliciting for a crime.

If there is no complaint from the public and the officer has not seen a crime being committed, they should not be bothering people they don't like the look of, profiling and soliciting, that's the reputation of todays unformed constable.

What an odd view to have. So people should be allowed to carry weapons or drugs on their person and police officers should ignore them because they haven’t waved them around?

Is that what i said? if the police have reports of such goings on concerning a named person, arrest them gather evidence and put it to the CPS, going on a fishing expedition can never be called policing by consent, just because a person is in a high crime area or fits the profile is not grounds for a stop and search. but that's what they do.

Or maybe, said person looks shifty when they spot a police officer, police officer spots that and decides to stop and search to find out why they look shifty. If they have nothing to hide they would consent to a search without any drama.

"

You can no longer consent to search.. it's not allowed

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The police in the UK have a very poor reputation and well earned at that.

Every time they engage with a member of the public it is on the basis of profiling and soliciting for a crime.

If there is no complaint from the public and the officer has not seen a crime being committed, they should not be bothering people they don't like the look of, profiling and soliciting, that's the reputation of todays unformed constable.

What an odd view to have. So people should be allowed to carry weapons or drugs on their person and police officers should ignore them because they haven’t waved them around?

Is that what i said? if the police have reports of such goings on concerning a named person, arrest them gather evidence and put it to the CPS, going on a fishing expedition can never be called policing by consent, just because a person is in a high crime area or fits the profile is not grounds for a stop and search. but that's what they do.

Or maybe, said person looks shifty when they spot a police officer, police officer spots that and decides to stop and search to find out why they look shifty. If they have nothing to hide they would consent to a search without any drama.

"

And who decides what is shifty.. it's like the old suss laws.. subjective..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope staying out of the drama carry on

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It does not pay to get involved.. head down and walk away.. I saw nothing officer..

It's safer that way...

Rely on the bodycams

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The police in the UK have a very poor reputation and well earned at that.

Every time they engage with a member of the public it is on the basis of profiling and soliciting for a crime.

If there is no complaint from the public and the officer has not seen a crime being committed, they should not be bothering people they don't like the look of, profiling and soliciting, that's the reputation of todays unformed constable.

What an odd view to have. So people should be allowed to carry weapons or drugs on their person and police officers should ignore them because they haven’t waved them around?

Is that what i said? if the police have reports of such goings on concerning a named person, arrest them gather evidence and put it to the CPS, going on a fishing expedition can never be called policing by consent, just because a person is in a high crime area or fits the profile is not grounds for a stop and search. but that's what they do.

Or maybe, said person looks shifty when they spot a police officer, police officer spots that and decides to stop and search to find out why they look shifty. If they have nothing to hide they would consent to a search without any drama.

You can no longer consent to search.. it's not allowed "

Do you mean you can not refuse? If so you are correct. By “consent” I meant agree. You will he searched even if you do not agree though, it just makes things more difficult.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not anti police and have not had anything to do with them myself, they send offers into areas such as housing estates and the officers may as well be in another country you are going to see a lot of people that dress the same and live similar lives pulling up in a car and start making demands is never going to go down well, perhaps they should apply the same method of policing to all social group next time Ascot is on, turn a load of pockets and bags out see what the chattering classes are packing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not anti police and have not had anything to do with them myself, they send offers into areas such as housing estates and the officers may as well be in another country you are going to see a lot of people that dress the same and live similar lives pulling up in a car and start making demands is never going to go down well, perhaps they should apply the same method of policing to all social group next time Ascot is on, turn a load of pockets and bags out see what the chattering classes are packing. "

Your posts certainly read as anti police.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

At least the police insist on higher levels of intelligence, education, and literacy than FAB does.

It's amazing how many of the people belittling the police, can't manage to string a propper sentence together using real words, proper spelling & grammar and punctuation. I suspect they don't rate teachers too highly either.

Cal

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"Nope staying out of the drama carry on "

Welcome back.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"At least the police insist on higher levels of intelligence, education, and literacy than FAB does.

It's amazing how many of the people belittling the police, can't manage to string a propper sentence together using real words, proper spelling & grammar and punctuation. I suspect they don't rate teachers too highly either.

Cal"
propper or proper ?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"At least the police insist on higher levels of intelligence, education, and literacy than FAB does.

It's amazing how many of the people belittling the police, can't manage to string a propper sentence together using real words, proper spelling & grammar and punctuation. I suspect they don't rate teachers too highly either.

Cal propper or proper ?"

Proves my point really

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By *iL DeVeLWoman
over a year ago

Luton

Wow reading this it looks like who have some real crims who hate the police. Oh and some wannabe crim/hard guys going on about feds lol You just have to laugh though.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"At least the police insist on higher levels of intelligence, education, and literacy than FAB does.

It's amazing how many of the people belittling the police, can't manage to string a propper sentence together using real words, proper spelling & grammar and punctuation. I suspect they don't rate teachers too highly either.

Cal propper or proper ?

Proves my point really "
genuinely I don’t know the difference can you use both I’m not sure so not sure how you’re point is proved

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"At least the police insist on higher levels of intelligence, education, and literacy than FAB does.

It's amazing how many of the people belittling the police, can't manage to string a propper sentence together using real words, proper spelling & grammar and punctuation. I suspect they don't rate teachers too highly either.

Cal propper or proper ?

Proves my point really

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genuinely I don’t know the difference can you use both I’m not sure so not sure how you’re point is proved "

By ME not being able to spell.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"At least the police insist on higher levels of intelligence, education, and literacy than FAB does.

It's amazing how many of the people belittling the police, can't manage to string a propper sentence together using real words, proper spelling & grammar and punctuation. I suspect they don't rate teachers too highly either.

Cal propper or proper ?

Proves my point really

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genuinely I don’t know the difference can you use both I’m not sure so not sure how you’re point is proved

By ME not being able to spell."
I sometimes get they there their wrong but the good people on fab sharp point it out

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Wow reading this it looks like who have some real crims who hate the police. Oh and some wannabe crim/hard guys going on about feds lol You just have to laugh though. "

I fear the feds .. I don't hate anything except walnuts and macaroni cheese.. I am no hard man.. I fear those feds ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wow reading this it looks like who have some real crims who hate the police. Oh and some wannabe crim/hard guys going on about feds lol You just have to laugh though. "
no crim just lifes experience iv seen thru my own eyes and lack of trust to a job/personality type who iv witnessed abuse it

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

There are two extremes.. Crims on the left.. feds on the right..

I fear both.. I stay in the middle ground..

See nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.. safer that way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Proper Coppers like to party on (Censored) strange one to filter .. do we have any members of HM forces on the boards or would that be professional suicide to pop your hand up.

I think people filming the police is the done thing these days seems to be plenty on you tube.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"There are two extremes.. Crims on the left.. feds on the right..

I fear both.. I stay in the middle ground..

See nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.. safer that way "
can I ask that if you got burgled or assaulted you’d not phone the police ?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"There are two extremes.. Crims on the left.. feds on the right..

I fear both.. I stay in the middle ground..

See nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.. safer that way can I ask that if you got burgled or assaulted you’d not phone the police ? "

Burgled yes for a crime number for the insurance..

Assaulted .. hell no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A society gets the policing it deserves. Where do you think they recruit from?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Not sure where they recruit from but not sure you need any qualifications..

They have a basic spelling test and then in

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"Not sure where they recruit from but not sure you need any qualifications..

They have a basic spelling test and then in "
have they done away with the fitness test that recruits need to do ? Perhaps check you’re facts before you post as you don’t know what you’re talking about

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Not sure where they recruit from but not sure you need any qualifications..

They have a basic spelling test and then in have they done away with the fitness test that recruits need to do ? Perhaps check you’re facts before you post as you don’t know what you’re talking about "

Oh I forgot.. the walk test

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Not sure where they recruit from but not sure you need any qualifications..

They have a basic spelling test and then in have they done away with the fitness test that recruits need to do ? Perhaps check you’re facts before you post as you don’t know what you’re talking about "

Two arms two legs your in even if nothing up top

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"Not sure where they recruit from but not sure you need any qualifications..

They have a basic spelling test and then in have they done away with the fitness test that recruits need to do ? Perhaps check you’re facts before you post as you don’t know what you’re talking about

Two arms two legs your in even if nothing up top"
absolutely clueless

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Police entry requirements from Jan 2020

Degree apprenticeship - you'll join as a police constable and undertake a three-year apprenticeship in professional policing practice. This gives you the chance to earn while you learn. Successfully completing the programme will also mean passing your probation and achieving a degree-level qualification too.

Degree-holder entry - if you've already got an undergraduate degree in any subject, this two-year pathway could be for you. As a police constable, you'll combine work-based and classroom learning, leading to a graduate diploma in professional policing practice once you complete your probation.

Policing degree - study a three-year undergraduate professional policing degree at university. You'll apply to join a police force when you graduate, and start your career with a shorter on-the-job training programme.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"Police entry requirements from Jan 2020

Degree apprenticeship - you'll join as a police constable and undertake a three-year apprenticeship in professional policing practice. This gives you the chance to earn while you learn. Successfully completing the programme will also mean passing your probation and achieving a degree-level qualification too.

Degree-holder entry - if you've already got an undergraduate degree in any subject, this two-year pathway could be for you. As a police constable, you'll combine work-based and classroom learning, leading to a graduate diploma in professional policing practice once you complete your probation.

Policing degree - study a three-year undergraduate professional policing degree at university. You'll apply to join a police force when you graduate, and start your career with a shorter on-the-job training programme."
nah you just need to do a spelling test and a walk in a line test and you’re in apparently

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Police entry requirements from Jan 2020

Degree apprenticeship - you'll join as a police constable and undertake a three-year apprenticeship in professional policing practice. This gives you the chance to earn while you learn. Successfully completing the programme will also mean passing your probation and achieving a degree-level qualification too.

Degree-holder entry - if you've already got an undergraduate degree in any subject, this two-year pathway could be for you. As a police constable, you'll combine work-based and classroom learning, leading to a graduate diploma in professional policing practice once you complete your probation.

Policing degree - study a three-year undergraduate professional policing degree at university. You'll apply to join a police force when you graduate, and start your career with a shorter on-the-job training programme."

And the wages reflect this..

Bull

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So it's going like nursing.. everyone has a degree so nobody wants to clean up ..

Not their job..

Every coppa has a degree and nobody wants to walk the beat..

And the wages stay crap

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Police entry requirements from Jan 2020

Degree apprenticeship - you'll join as a police constable and undertake a three-year apprenticeship in professional policing practice. This gives you the chance to earn while you learn. Successfully completing the programme will also mean passing your probation and achieving a degree-level qualification too.

Degree-holder entry - if you've already got an undergraduate degree in any subject, this two-year pathway could be for you. As a police constable, you'll combine work-based and classroom learning, leading to a graduate diploma in professional policing practice once you complete your probation.

Policing degree - study a three-year undergraduate professional policing degree at university. You'll apply to join a police force when you graduate, and start your career with a shorter on-the-job training programme."

Does this equip them to stop a pub fight ?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Please stop fighting.. I have a degree..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Police entry requirements from Jan 2020

Degree apprenticeship - you'll join as a police constable and undertake a three-year apprenticeship in professional policing practice. This gives you the chance to earn while you learn. Successfully completing the programme will also mean passing your probation and achieving a degree-level qualification too.

Degree-holder entry - if you've already got an undergraduate degree in any subject, this two-year pathway could be for you. As a police constable, you'll combine work-based and classroom learning, leading to a graduate diploma in professional policing practice once you complete your probation.

Policing degree - study a three-year undergraduate professional policing degree at university. You'll apply to join a police force when you graduate, and start your career with a shorter on-the-job training programme.

Does this equip them to stop a pub fight ?"

No and there are many who have been in the job for a long time that don’t agree with it.

However, policing has changed over the years and it is what it is. It does not mean those with degrees are bad coppers, just the same as not all those without the degree are all good officers.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Police entry requirements from Jan 2020

Degree apprenticeship - you'll join as a police constable and undertake a three-year apprenticeship in professional policing practice. This gives you the chance to earn while you learn. Successfully completing the programme will also mean passing your probation and achieving a degree-level qualification too.

Degree-holder entry - if you've already got an undergraduate degree in any subject, this two-year pathway could be for you. As a police constable, you'll combine work-based and classroom learning, leading to a graduate diploma in professional policing practice once you complete your probation.

Policing degree - study a three-year undergraduate professional policing degree at university. You'll apply to join a police force when you graduate, and start your career with a shorter on-the-job training programme."

And this is why you will never see a bobby on the beat..

It's beneath them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Police entry requirements from Jan 2020

Degree apprenticeship - you'll join as a police constable and undertake a three-year apprenticeship in professional policing practice. This gives you the chance to earn while you learn. Successfully completing the programme will also mean passing your probation and achieving a degree-level qualification too.

Degree-holder entry - if you've already got an undergraduate degree in any subject, this two-year pathway could be for you. As a police constable, you'll combine work-based and classroom learning, leading to a graduate diploma in professional policing practice once you complete your probation.

Policing degree - study a three-year undergraduate professional policing degree at university. You'll apply to join a police force when you graduate, and start your career with a shorter on-the-job training programme.

And this is why you will never see a bobby on the beat..

It's beneath them"

It’s not ‘beneath them’ it’s because crime and therefore policing has changed over the years and there are just not enough officers to do that anymore.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Well in old language there is always a punch up on a Saturday night outside a pub in the town centre.. they used to send a big coppa...

Now they send inch high private eye with his diploma under his arm.

Policing at its best.. .

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

He hit me sarge...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you not think that the reason they look for people who can learn to degree level is to ensure that the police are capable? There's a hell of a lot of training to be a police officer, learning the laws, how to react in different situations, how de-escalate a hostile environment, self defense, etc. This is all to help keep both the public, the suspect and the officer as safe as possible. Sure, there are incidents that aren't handled well but I'd far rather have it happen with an organisation that has a reporting procedure and takes public responsibility than than the hyped up muscle heads around the corner.

Policing shouldn't be all "firefighting" when there is an incident, it's also the work beforehand to mitigate the problems in the first place.

I for one would not want to see everything that the police have to deal with. But would be interested to see things that are appropriate for the public.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So show that footage...perhaps pay per view..

All monies go to law enforcement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite often, the footage is released for public viewing when it is in the public interest.

It is mostly not released prior to a conviction as it could jeopardise the case. That comes before your curiosity.

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