FabSwingers.com forum: Why are cyclists allowed to get away with murder?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

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By *ent in BlackMan
over a year ago

Silsden

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

It’s not, it’s the same rule. If the police see them they ‘should’ take action. However evolution might eventually sort them out.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

If you compare the number of motorists and pedestrians killed by cyclists with the number of cyclists and pedestrians killed by motorists, it seems far more accurate to say motorists are allowed to get away with murder.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Because the lycra doesn't absorb blood very well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, they take liberties.

Biggest annoyance for me is riding on the pavements, forcing me and 4 dogs to walk in the road.

That and parents riding on the road, but allowing their child to ride on the pavement because 'they are too little to ride on the road'

Tough shit! It's still illegal

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Did you exceed any speed limits? He probably didn’t.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Thats just basics- people in cars are protected by the car.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Thats just basics- people in cars are protected by the car."

Why do you think that is relevant? The people involved are still dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, u never see a car going through a red light do u?????

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No, u never see a car going through a red light do u?????"

Well, he stopped and after being stopped for 10 seconds decided fuck it I’m too important to be stopped.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Motorist are the most polite, law abiding people there are. They don’t speed, they always give right of way to those more vulnerable, and they never fiddle with their phones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Thats just basics- people in cars are protected by the car.

Why do you think that is relevant? The people involved are still dead."

What might be relevant is that the number of deaths might decrease if all cyclists obeyed the rules of the road while using it. Not driving through red lights etc

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Twats are twats. Some are on foot. Some are in cars. Some are riding bicycles. They’re twats.

Tribalism doesn’t solve the problem.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Thats just basics- people in cars are protected by the car.

Why do you think that is relevant? The people involved are still dead.

What might be relevant is that the number of deaths might decrease if all cyclists obeyed the rules of the road while using it. Not driving through red lights etc "

Indeed - but considering the vast majority of road accidents are directly caused by motorists, and it’s an unassailable fact that the number of deaths would definitely decrease if all motorists obeyed the rules of the road while using it, ‘not driving through red lights etc’, it’s curious as to why you think your statement is relevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Thats just basics- people in cars are protected by the car.

Why do you think that is relevant? The people involved are still dead.

What might be relevant is that the number of deaths might decrease if all cyclists obeyed the rules of the road while using it. Not driving through red lights etc

The op is talking about cyclists innit

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By *ussD1Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

I’m a cyclist and cyclists piss me off too. Those with no helmets and blatant complacency of their own mortality. That said most cyclists are also car drivers and pedestrians too, let’s talk about mobility scooters !!! (Duck and cover)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Legally, it's not different for cyclists. But drivers skip lights VERY often, and don't get caught.

Weird to focus on cyclists when most murders after running red lights are from cars, trucks etc.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Thats just basics- people in cars are protected by the car.

Why do you think that is relevant? The people involved are still dead.

What might be relevant is that the number of deaths might decrease if all cyclists obeyed the rules of the road while using it. Not driving through red lights etc

The op is talking about cyclists innit "

The person quoted was responding to us, not the op.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Thats just basics- people in cars are protected by the car.

Why do you think that is relevant? The people involved are still dead.

What might be relevant is that the number of deaths might decrease if all cyclists obeyed the rules of the road while using it. Not driving through red lights etc

The op is talking about cyclists innit

The person quoted was responding to us, not the op."

That was my bad

sorry

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I saw a Wally riding bicycle on the pavement with one of those 'go pro' cameras on his helmet. If you break the law then why film it? If the feds had caught him and watched the video then he would be up before the beak in a flash...

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Let’s make a point that everyone can agree on - there has never been a motorist or cyclist who has moaned about the road use of others who is not also themselves a poor motorist or cyclist...they just don’t realise it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Twats are twats. Some are on foot. Some are in cars. Some are riding bicycles. They’re twats.

Tribalism doesn’t solve the problem. "

This is a very valid point. I will say that 90% of cyclists I have encountered do not obey the rules of the road though.

Whereas it is definitely not the case for motorists.

You defined get twats in either category.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there is arguements for both sides on this

I may have abit of an issue as a motorist, we pay, insurance, tax and mot to use the roads

Push bikes don't.

Attitude on the road there are arseholes from every walk of life. My ask make using the road be equal for all

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I saw a Wally riding bicycle on the pavement with one of those 'go pro' cameras on his helmet. If you break the law then why film it? If the feds had caught him and watched the video then he would be up before the beak in a flash..."

Like motorists with dash cams who cause accidents! Why do they even have them? They must want to film themselves breaking the law, etc.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

The twat going through a red light on his bike is the same twat who will go through a red light in his car.

The mode of transport is not the issue it’s the twat using it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Don't know why your bothered when they're commiting suicide. Hardly affects your life does it?

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

Everyone riding a bike should pass a test before going on the road. I know this won't sort out most of the issues but might help a bit. There are so many cyclists now who don't even know the highway code

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Maybe they view themselves in a similar way to pedestrians who decide they have time to get across the road before the traffic starts moving again. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The twat going through a red light on his bike is the same twat who will go through a red light in his car.

The mode of transport is not the issue it’s the twat using it. "

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think there is arguements for both sides on this

I may have abit of an issue as a motorist, we pay, insurance, tax and mot to use the roads

Push bikes don't.

Attitude on the road there are arseholes from every walk of life. My ask make using the road be equal for all"

Exactly, say for instance an accident was caused by a cyclist and damage was caused to a car would the motorist get paid by the cyclist? Hardly.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The twat going through a red light on his bike is the same twat who will go through a red light in his car.

The mode of transport is not the issue it’s the twat using it. "

Massively agree with this

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Did you exceed any speed limits? He probably didn’t. "

While sat at the traffic lights I doubt it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pogo sticks and space hoppers little bastards do whatever they want everywhere

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I think there is arguements for both sides on this

I may have abit of an issue as a motorist, we pay, insurance, tax and mot to use the roads

Push bikes don't.

Attitude on the road there are arseholes from every walk of life. My ask make using the road be equal for all"

Motorists and cyclists pay the same tax to use the roads, as do pedestrians - which is to say zero, as road tax doesn’t exist. Osborne introduces VED in 2015, which is based on the pollution a vehicle emits. For a bicycle, that is zero.

The issues of insurance and MOT are different - the government seeks to increase cycle use, so removes disincentives based on the assessment of relative risk. An untaxed, mechanically unsound cycle is considered low risk to other road users, even though it increases the personal risk to the cyclist. Obviously this is not the case for an uninsured, unsound motor vehicle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

It’s not right I’ve had a few close shaves One example turning right I had right of way and said idiot cyclist disregarding his own red light rides from right to left in front of me! I called him a fuckin turkey Thats road rage for you

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Maybe they view themselves in a similar way to pedestrians who decide they have time to get across the road before the traffic starts moving again. X"

Or maybe they are no different to the hundreds of drivers that speed through my village; knowing that no one is going to stop them. FYI, no deaths have been caused by cyclists, sadly, I can't say the save about vehicle drivers.

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By *essiejamesABCCouple
over a year ago

Salisbury

I have always driven for a living and as much as I detest most cyclists habits I have to say there are some very good ones out there (helmets, hi vis, lights, signals etc), sadly they are a huge minority.

My biggest bug bear on the roads is horses, most of the riders have their heads up their own arses and think they can leave their horses poo all over the road. Again I have seen a few sensible horse riders but sadly not many. I usually stop and turn the lorrys (taxi nowadays) engine off, you'd be amazed at how many horse riders don't even bother giving a wave of thanks.

Don't get me started on obesity scooters, sorry disability scooters!

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By *orkswatcherMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

Remember being at waterloo station and some cyclist running a red light and trying to plough through the people trying to cross the road.

I just booted his back wheel, don't think he will be doing that again.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Wow this has taken an interesting turn. So far it would seem that...

Breaking the laws is OK because some other people break other unrelated laws.

Breaking the laws is OK because some cyclists are killed in other unrelated incidents

Breaking the laws is OK.

Wtf?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"Yes, they take liberties.

Biggest annoyance for me is riding on the pavements, forcing me and 4 dogs to walk in the road.

That and parents riding on the road, but allowing their child to ride on the pavement because 'they are too little to ride on the road'

Tough shit! It's still illegal

Has the law changed then? It always used to be that a cycle of a certain size i.e. kids were allowed to ride on the pavement.

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

No... That's fowl language

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

No... That's fowl language

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

" FYI, no deaths have been caused by cyclists, "

Bullshit

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"Twats are twats. Some are on foot. Some are in cars. Some are riding bicycles. They’re twats.

Tribalism doesn’t solve the problem. "

This.

I walk, I drive, I cycle and I used to ride a motorbike.

I try to remain respectful and not be a twat, but I see loads of people doing each that are.

Just don't let it get to you to the point that you end up becoming a twat yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Twats are twats. Some are on foot. Some are in cars. Some are riding bicycles. They’re twats.

Tribalism doesn’t solve the problem. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

No... That's fowl language

I’d have told him to get plucked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cycle , walk and drive .

There are poor cyclists

There are poor drivers

Its all about mutual respect ans not forming little groups who bash eachother

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I cycle , walk and drive .

There are poor cyclists

There are poor drivers

Its all about mutual respect ans not forming little groups who bash eachother "

What about fight club?

They bash one another.

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

I though the cyclist have killed someone

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"FYI no deaths have been caused by cyclists"

Not many, but it does happen.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/rise-pedestrians-hit-cyclists-not-cause-leap-conclusions-396047

My 8 year old son was hit by an adult cyclist on the pavement last year.

They were riding full pelt down hill, no brake cables and no helmet.

I managed to pull my 3 year old out of the way, but not my son fully.

Luckily, the bike only clipped his arm slightly, throwing the cyclist off. If I hadn't seen them coming, it could have been really nasty.

Hopefully after 'speaking' to me, they will think twice about being so stupid again.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"FYI no deaths have been caused by cyclists

Not many, but it does happen.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/rise-pedestrians-hit-cyclists-not-cause-leap-conclusions-396047

My 8 year old son was hit by an adult cyclist on the pavement last year.

They were riding full pelt down hill, no brake cables and no helmet.

I managed to pull my 3 year old out of the way, but not my son fully.

Luckily, the bike only clipped his arm slightly, throwing the cyclist off. If I hadn't seen them coming, it could have been really nasty.

Hopefully after 'speaking' to me, they will think twice about being so stupid again. "

My mate cycles and has openly admitted to breaking the speed limit easily while cycling. Yet how do you stop a cyclist from speeding with no registration? Its pretty damn reckless tbh, not just to personal health but also to pedestrians.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"FYI no deaths have been caused by cyclists

Not many, but it does happen.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/rise-pedestrians-hit-cyclists-not-cause-leap-conclusions-396047

My 8 year old son was hit by an adult cyclist on the pavement last year.

They were riding full pelt down hill, no brake cables and no helmet.

I managed to pull my 3 year old out of the way, but not my son fully.

Luckily, the bike only clipped his arm slightly, throwing the cyclist off. If I hadn't seen them coming, it could have been really nasty.

Hopefully after 'speaking' to me, they will think twice about being so stupid again.

And also, glad your sons ok

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"Wow this has taken an interesting turn. So far it would seem that...

Breaking the laws is OK because some other people break other unrelated laws.

Breaking the laws is OK because some cyclists are killed in other unrelated incidents

Breaking the laws is OK.

Wtf? "

Totally agree, I wasn't saying it okay, I was just commenting on the mind-set of all road users. I've done a lot of speed watch in my village; so many drivers get angry when they are recorded speeding (speeding in speed watch terms is the speed limit plus 10% of that limit plus 4mph - 37 mph for a 30 mph zone). I suspect that some of these law breakers are the same people that get angry at others for breaking the law.

Simple answer is, all road users, regardless of there mode of transport must obey the law/Highway Code!

As for horses pooing... News flash, that's what they do; drivers would get more annoyed, if the ride was to stop, put out a warning triangle and clean away the muck... Another thing road users must do... Be tolerant of other (law abiding) road users

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"FYI no deaths have been caused by cyclists

Not many, but it does happen.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/rise-pedestrians-hit-cyclists-not-cause-leap-conclusions-396047

My 8 year old son was hit by an adult cyclist on the pavement last year.

They were riding full pelt down hill, no brake cables and no helmet.

I managed to pull my 3 year old out of the way, but not my son fully.

Luckily, the bike only clipped his arm slightly, throwing the cyclist off. If I hadn't seen them coming, it could have been really nasty.

Hopefully after 'speaking' to me, they will think twice about being so stupid again.

Motorists are ‘registered’ as you would have it, and yet speeding is endemic, as far more reckless and a far worse endangerment to health as it is.

Why do you think it would stop cyclists from speeding?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Wow this has taken an interesting turn. So far it would seem that...

Breaking the laws is OK because some other people break other unrelated laws.

Breaking the laws is OK because some cyclists are killed in other unrelated incidents

Breaking the laws is OK.

Wtf?

Simple answer is, all road users, regardless of there mode of transport must obey the law/Highway Code!

Sure but the answer is to obey the laws and drive safely. Not seek excuses to break them because other people break other laws.

Interested on your speedwatch comments...whats the reasoning behind 10% plus 4mph?

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I have no issues with cyclists other than their dress code , they look so wierd there’s no need.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"FYI no deaths have been caused by cyclists

Not many, but it does happen.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/rise-pedestrians-hit-cyclists-not-cause-leap-conclusions-396047

My 8 year old son was hit by an adult cyclist on the pavement last year.

They were riding full pelt down hill, no brake cables and no helmet.

I managed to pull my 3 year old out of the way, but not my son fully.

Luckily, the bike only clipped his arm slightly, throwing the cyclist off. If I hadn't seen them coming, it could have been really nasty.

Hopefully after 'speaking' to me, they will think twice about being so stupid again.

Motorists are ‘registered’ as you would have it, and yet speeding is endemic, as far more reckless and a far worse endangerment to health as it is.

Why do you think it would stop cyclists from speeding?"

It wouldn’t, but they might beware of speed cameras that are on a lot of hills near where I’m working. And obviously going downhill is a cyclists friend.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"FYI no deaths have been caused by cyclists

Not many, but it does happen.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/rise-pedestrians-hit-cyclists-not-cause-leap-conclusions-396047

My 8 year old son was hit by an adult cyclist on the pavement last year.

They were riding full pelt down hill, no brake cables and no helmet.

I managed to pull my 3 year old out of the way, but not my son fully.

Luckily, the bike only clipped his arm slightly, throwing the cyclist off. If I hadn't seen them coming, it could have been really nasty.

Hopefully after 'speaking' to me, they will think twice about being so stupid again.

Motorists are ‘registered’ as you would have it, and yet speeding is endemic, as far more reckless and a far worse endangerment to health as it is.

Why do you think it would stop cyclists from speeding?"

For me the point is that there are a whole raft of laws and history in enforcing speeding with cars.

Cyclists, scooters, skateboards, electric one wheels, electric scooters that do 30mph and so on are mostly uninsured, unregulated and unenforced. Yet use the same shared resources. So perhaps some thought into how we all keep safe on the shared resources would be a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

No... That's fowl language

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I cycle , walk and drive .

There are poor cyclists

There are poor drivers

Its all about mutual respect ans not forming little groups who bash eachother

What about fight club?

They bash one another.

The first rule about fight club is you don't talk about fight club The second rule about fight club is you don't talk about fight club

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

No... That's fowl language

I’d have told him to get plucked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of all the things going on in the world this is what people get angry about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Twats are twats. Some are on foot. Some are in cars. Some are riding bicycles. They’re twats.

Tribalism doesn’t solve the problem.

This is a very valid point. I will say that 90% of cyclists I have encountered do not obey the rules of the road though.

Whereas it is definitely not the case for motorists.

You defined get twats in either category.

90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Are you trying to convince me that 90% of drivers never break any road laws? 90% really never speed?

As someone said above, the reason that many cyclists jump the lights is they feel that (like a pedestrian) it is enough to check that it's clear and safe to cross, the state of the lights isn't important. Just like many people driving through a 20mph limit outside a school on a Sunday morning with clear visibility, no parked cars and not a child in sight will believe that the 20 limit doesn't really apply to them.

Any cyclist will also tell you how unpleasant it is trying to get going from a stationary position when lights change with large boxes of metal impatiently trying to force their way past/around them so for some it feels safer to jump the light and avoid the chance of being run over.

Cyclists, pedestrians horses riders and mobility scooter drivers are all human beings. They all make decisions in exactly the same way,are subject to the same heuristics and biases and just as likely to make mistakes.

I find life much calmer when I try and see the behavoir of other road users as that of human beings not some imaginary species called 'cyclists' or 'lorry drivers' and then remember how often I make mistakes or ignore rules that are a little inconvenient...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Of all the things going on in the world this is what people get angry about.

A very valid point.

But if you worried about everything that’s going on in the whole world, rather than “your world” you wouldn’t get very far and be very depressed rather quickly.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Is it time to make cyclists have insurance, at least third-party sothat when the accident is their fault they can be claimed against

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Twats are twats. Some are on foot. Some are in cars. Some are riding bicycles. They’re twats.

Tribalism doesn’t solve the problem.

This is a very valid point. I will say that 90% of cyclists I have encountered do not obey the rules of the road though.

Whereas it is definitely not the case for motorists.

You defined get twats in either category.

90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Are you trying to convince me that 90% of drivers never break any road laws? 90% really never speed?

Mr"

The difference is pedestrians are not riding on the road. On the road adhere to the rules.

I’m not saying anyone is perfect, but it should never be one rule for one and one rule for another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cyclists aren't allowed?

Numerous people flout laws everyday.

Though whilst indefensible, a cyclists actions are generally less impactive?

Sounds like the usual war on cyclists or cars tedious rhetoric.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

There are different types of cyclist. Some use a push bike to commute to work. Can't afford a bike but do that journey in rain or shine because they can't afford a car... I respect them greatly..

Then there are the lycra clad posers ... Another class entirely ...

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Is it time to make cyclists have insurance, at least third-party sothat when the accident is their fault they can be claimed against"

As observed above, the level of cycling accidents where cyclists would need insurance to be claimed against is statistically so low, that it would massively disincentivise people from cycling to no appreciable benefit.

So there is no evidence that ‘it is time’, and plenty of evidence that it should stay as it is.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"There are different types of cyclist. Some use a push bike to commute to work. Can't afford a bike but do that journey in rain or shine because they can't afford a car... I respect them greatly..

Then there are the lycra clad posers ... Another class entirely ...

Anyone who cycles any reasonable distance will know that appropriate clothing is not a matter of posing, but function.

How many miles have you cycled this year, tom?

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

I know what upsets drivers so much - it’s when we slip on the lycra, we look like sex gods.

Just wait until electric scooters are added to the mix - chaos ahead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are different types of cyclist. Some use a push bike to commute to work. Can't afford a bike but do that journey in rain or shine because they can't afford a car... I respect them greatly..

Then there are the lycra clad posers ... Another class entirely ...

Anyone who cycles any reasonable distance will know that appropriate clothing is not a matter of posing, but function.

How many miles have you cycled this year, tom?"

He's a troll dont bite. I cycle for sport and leisure and any reasonable person knows that all road users take liberties.

Its all down to personal responsibility and if you care. No one user can be swept with the same brush.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"There are different types of cyclist. Some use a push bike to commute to work. Can't afford a bike but do that journey in rain or shine because they can't afford a car... I respect them greatly..

Then there are the lycra clad posers ... Another class entirely ...

Anyone who cycles any reasonable distance will know that appropriate clothing is not a matter of posing, but function.

How many miles have you cycled this year, tom?"

Many many miles daily during lockdown as my daily exercise.. I wear an old T-Shirt, my old cotton rugby shorts, sunglasses and no helmet. I have a Cube cross and love overtaking those racing bike posers in their drag efficient cling film clothes...

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"There are different types of cyclist. Some use a push bike to commute to work. Can't afford a bike but do that journey in rain or shine because they can't afford a car... I respect them greatly..

Then there are the lycra clad posers ... Another class entirely ...

Anyone who cycles any reasonable distance will know that appropriate clothing is not a matter of posing, but function.

How many miles have you cycled this year, tom?

How many miles, tom?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to hear your raging Op.

Not having a cycle

Nor ridden one for years.

Not likely to either.

Stopping at a red light but going through it. It would make me grrr too.

Any vehicle going through a red light endangers other road users.

Have a cup of tea for the shock Op.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"There are different types of cyclist. Some use a push bike to commute to work. Can't afford a bike but do that journey in rain or shine because they can't afford a car... I respect them greatly..

Then there are the lycra clad posers ... Another class entirely ...

Anyone who cycles any reasonable distance will know that appropriate clothing is not a matter of posing, but function.

How many miles have you cycled this year, tom?

How many miles, tom?"

Well I don't use strava but like to explore the country lanes but on a nice day I go out for about two hours.. you won't see me out in the wind or wet though... How many miles.. not a Scooby

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Cars parking on pavements OP?

Shocking! Just watching Angela Rippon on TV

tackling this scourge.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

Cars parking on pavements OP?

Shocking! Just watching Angela Rippon on TV

tackling this scourge."

I blame the planners for that one...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sorry to hear your raging Op.

Not having a cycle

Nor ridden one for years.

Not likely to either.

Stopping at a red light but going through it. It would make me grrr too.

Any vehicle going through a red light endangers other road users.

Have a cup of tea for the shock Op.

I’m not raging. Just thought I’d start a thread. He wasn’t as annoying as the cyclists that pick and chose between pavement and road and almost take out pedestrians as they do it with no helmet on, lights or high viz.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"There are different types of cyclist. Some use a push bike to commute to work. Can't afford a bike but do that journey in rain or shine because they can't afford a car... I respect them greatly..

Then there are the lycra clad posers ... Another class entirely ...

Anyone who cycles any reasonable distance will know that appropriate clothing is not a matter of posing, but function.

How many miles have you cycled this year, tom?

How many miles, tom?

Well I don't use strava but like to explore the country lanes but on a nice day I go out for about two hours.. you won't see me out in the wind or wet though... How many miles.. not a Scooby "

Good for you...although for your age, that’s not really all that much. Most serious cyclists will do that to check the pedals are still working!

As you aren’t cycling very far or very hard, and solely in nice conditions, you won’t appreciate the need for functional clothing.

The great thing about cycling is it has a low barrier to entry and can be enjoyed by people of any ability, as you have found. So attempting to separate cyclists by what clothes they are wearing into ones worthy of respect or not just makes you seem foolish.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

I know this topic is going to be debated on and on..

A few things that should be considered

Cycle proficiency test

As a kid we had to pass this, now???

Riding 2 abreast, we were always taught not to do this, now it seems to be ignored or forgotten

Cyclist insurance,

If a cyclist hits you or a car, where are their insurance that you can claim against?

Road Tax

Sorry any vehicle using highways of Britain should contribute to the upkeep of these roads..

A contribution of £20 pa is fair..

Mirrors

All bicycles should be fitted with one mirror so they can see what’s coming from behind, as kids it was trendy to fit loads of them... 70’s eh?

But seriously it would save lives..

Traffic lights riding in traffic etc

All cyclists should follow Highway Code, part of a proficiency test should include the Highway Code.

I concur with a previous comment that more cyclists are killed or hurt by motorists than the other way round (obvious).

But ask yourself a question..

How many cyclists are killed due to any of the above or blind ignorance of the above?

Note...

I don’t have an axe to grind with cyclists, but take some responsibility for your own actions please...

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

All those things have been considered in the thread already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought this was going to be about a psychopath on a cycle path.....

Fuzz

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Don’t worry cyclists, tommorrow it will be the turn of vegans.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

It’s always astounding how many motorists think they pay road tax.

Maybe it should be used as a question to judge fitness to be in charge of a motor vehicle?

‘Do you pay road tax?’

‘Yes!’

‘Your license is now suspended - you can re-apply to drive in 12 months.’

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"It’s always astounding how many motorists think they pay road tax.

Maybe it should be used as a question to judge fitness to be in charge of a motor vehicle?

‘Do you pay road tax?’

‘Yes!’

‘Your license is now suspended - you can re-apply to drive in 12 months.’

Hey don’t go there, I drive for a living nowadays

Road tax I pay is over £1000 pa

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don’t worry cyclists, tommorrow it will be the turn of vegans."

Vegan cyclists.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Don’t worry cyclists, tommorrow it will be the turn of vegans.

Vegan cyclists.

Vegans in lycra

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm quietly awaiting my turn too!

I'm one of the arseholes that ride horses

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Then the day after it will be the turn of Dole scroungers.....

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm quietly awaiting my turn too!

I'm one of the arseholes that ride horses

Of course, the person who complained about horses seems unaware that his vehicle is not quite zero emissions itself...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Then the day after it will be the turn of Dole scroungers....."

Then students?

Fuzz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don’t worry cyclists, tommorrow it will be the turn of vegans.

Vegan cyclists.

Vegans in lycra"

Fuck that's me... i dream of exceeding the speed limit and use every sense i can to stay alive whilst cycling on the road and when using shared cycle paths try my very best not to injure pedestrians, children + dogs who are oblivious to other users

When I'm driving i selfishly take the same attitude... Protect all life!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pogo sticks and space hoppers little bastards do whatever they want everywhere "
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I once saw someone on a pogo stick jump the lights

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

"I know this topic is going to be debated on and on..

A few things that should be considered

Cycle proficiency test

As a kid we had to pass this, now???

Riding 2 abreast, we were always taught not to do this, now it seems to be ignored or forgotten

Cyclist insurance,

If a cyclist hits you or a car, where are their insurance that you can claim against?

Road Tax

Sorry any vehicle using highways of Britain should contribute to the upkeep of these roads..

A contribution of £20 pa is fair..

Mirrors

All bicycles should be fitted with one mirror so they can see what’s coming from behind, as kids it was trendy to fit loads of them... 70’s eh?

But seriously it would save lives..

Traffic lights riding in traffic etc

All cyclists should follow Highway Code, part of a proficiency test should include the Highway Code.

I concur with a previous comment that more cyclists are killed or hurt by motorists than the other way round (obvious).

But ask yourself a question..

How many cyclists are killed due to any of the above or blind ignorance of the above?

Note...

I don’t have an axe to grind with cyclists, but take some responsibility for your own actions please...

I have heard a lot of this being said before, so just want to clarify a few bits.

* Cycling proficiency tests have never been compulsory. Making them so they are would stop younger children from riding, which I think is a bad thing.

* Riding 2 abreast is and always has been legal and mentioned in the highway code (unless on a narrow or busy road or whilst going around bends).

It's also believed it brings an extra level of safety to cyclists, because it forces carry drivers to use a proper overtaking procedure and give the cyclist as much space as a small car (which is what they 'should' be doing), rather than squeezing past and almost hitting them.

* Insurance. You want to insure kids? What about adults on low income, who need a bike to get to work?

The fact is, the amount of damage caused by cyclists per year is tiny, so the amount the insurance companies could charge would be tiny and not really worth it for them.

Also, the additional costs to the police and government to manage this would take away from more important things.

*Road tax. There is no such thing. What you mean is Vehicle Excise Duty, which is calculated on CO2 emissions, so electric cars do not have to park, so why should bikes?

It is also not used for road maintenance, that is paid for from general taxation, which everyone is already paying into.

Mirrors. No. Mirrors do not make cycling safer. They are useful in cars as vision is impaired. On a bike its easier and safer to look over your shoulders.

On a bike they would have to stick or further and so are more likely to be struck by passing cars which would make the cyclist fall.

* Traffic lights, yep. All road laws should be followed by cyclists. Unfortunately some don't, the same as some car drivers don't.

I'm not sure what the solution is tbh.

I have a few ideas though.

Personally, I think all bikes should be registered (for free or very cheaply so to not restrict who can do it) and have a form of number plate, which would not only make theft harder, but also make it easier to catch people who do brake rules. This I think would solve a lot of the issues.

Unregistered bikes will be removed from the roads and the owner or parent fined.

This will cost a bit for the government / police to manage so they may not deem it worth while, but I think it would be cheaper and better than any other solution.

Cycle helmets should be mandatory (easy to catch who doesn't if the bikes are registered)

Cycling proficiency tests should be mandatory for bikes to use the road (once done a different coloured licence plate can be claimed).

I also think with roads as busy as they are it is crazy to expect young children, or people with certain disabilities to ride on them. Many are even too dangerous (for all road users) to allow anyone to ride on, so cycling slowly and with due care on pavements 'should' be allowed where cycle paths don't exist (again dangerous cyclist would be easy to track with a registered bike)

The government should also look at providing more cycle paths. It seems crazy to me, that they still build roads and paths and ignore the need for cycle paths.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Motorists fuck me right of as a cyclist! Works both ways there is good and bad of both!!! X

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By *utmegsMan
over a year ago

Closer than you think

How about the police just enforce the existing rules for ALL road users?

I try not to drive/cycle/walk like a cnut and that seems to work pretty well.

If the behaviour of other road users winds you up as much as it does some of the previous posters - seek help before you have an aneurysm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about the police just enforce the existing rules for ALL road users?

I try not to drive/cycle/walk like a cnut and that seems to work pretty well.

If the behaviour of other road users winds you up as much as it does some of the previous posters - seek help before you have an aneurysm."

The Voice of reason, very sensible

Peach are you listening?

Fuzz

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I’m a cyclist and cyclists piss me off too. Those with no helmets and blatant complacency of their own mortality. That said most cyclists are also car drivers and pedestrians too, let’s talk about mobility scooters !!! (Duck and cover)

I choose not to wear a helmet! I abide by the rules of the road/highway code ! X

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Was stopped at a red light on the way to work. The cyclist next to me stopped as he was riding on the road. And rather than going onto the footpath, just blatantly went through red.

If a motorist did that we would be penalised for it. Why should it be any different for cyclists?

Fucks you right off.

I see this a lot. Cyclists take the piss !