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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

...Do you belive in what it has to say?

Are there things in it that intrigue or infuriate you?

Do you look for loop holes, conspiracies or modern technology in it?

For example, God supposedly took a rib from Adam to make Eve, is that DNA manipulation and genetic farming?

Was the angels and chariots of fire that lit up the skies space men, UFO'S etc?

What are your thoughts and your beliefs?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I beleive there is some truth in the bible, i believe in jesus. Some stuff thats been said i can kind of see how it could have been translated down the years. My mum was a sunday school teacher, my first books where childrens bible stories, i loved reading them, i loved singing hymens. But i dont have a religious bone in my body

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like the bible, and oldie but goody. In the bible the very first motor cycle is mentioned.

"When Moses led the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt, His "Triumph" was heard throughout the land".

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

We are all one. What you give you get. Peace and love is needed to ascend to higher dimensions. No heaven as such just eternal light. As Depeche Mode and others like them pointed out. Your own Personal Jesus. Follow your conscience and try and avoid conflict. Smile and the world smiles back. However hard it is it has to be the way forward, it is hard though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i believe the bible and koran and all the rest are the same, they was intended to be moral stories but over the years they have been twisted and manipulated to serve peoples kings queens rulers wishes, and course nothing but trouble, however the belief there is something after this life gives alot of people hope and peace of mind, gives alot of people friendship and companionship so do alot of good which was intended, as in do i believe in god im not sure but there is something different in humans than in animals and thats soul so im still confused as not sure on the old evolution theory, As in aliens we would be very niave to think we are the only living creatures in this universe but have they visit us or not im not sure but alot of history and evidence does prove there as been. so in the end im open minded about it all

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By *inkyScot22Man
over a year ago

Anniesland

I believe that particular book of chinese whispers wouldn't even be a bestseller if published today... when subjected to critical analysis the themes are very archaic (if fairness that's to be expected) but also very predictable, for example the climax of the book, the crucifixion, foreshadowed to death. Frankly, if he didn't die, then there's no story, he has to...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it hard to believe in talking snakes.

I also find it hard to believe people would have been that amazed by jesus' miracles because if the bible is to be believed they seemed to be happening quite often anyway.

Also I'm pretty certain the world is a much worse place now (according to what is expected as described by the bible)than it was when it required flooding and the building of an ark (which is THE most preposterous story in the whole of the bible). So where's our flood, to punish us for all the gays and swingers in the world. Then again with the religious lots habit of manipulating everything into something as a sign of god, they'll claim its Aids or something.

I can sit here and scrutinise scathingly all day to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you been waiting for Thursday to come to post this ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like the bible, and oldie but goody. In the bible the very first motor cycle is mentioned.

"When Moses led the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt, His "Triumph" was heard throughout the land"."

Brilliant

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

good read but lord of the rings is better

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Have you been waiting for Thursday to come to post this ? "

It's Thursday??

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"I beleive there is some truth in the bible, i believe in jesus. Some stuff thats been said i can kind of see how it could have been translated down the years. My mum was a sunday school teacher, my first books where childrens bible stories, i loved reading them, i loved singing hymens. But i dont have a religious bone in my body"

Now that's something I'd like to see on Britain's got talent ..a 'singing hymen'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope.. I don't believe in it. I believe that most of it was stories that were told from one person to the next.. and if you have ever had a game of chinese whispers you know how it goes.

I believe that there was a man called Jesus, we know that as the romans recorded it..

However I look at it that he was just a clever guy who could do tricks.. think what people would think of dynamo if he were born back then... his tricks would seem miraculous... and lets face it he has done the walk on water, water to wine...

So no.. don't believe a word of it.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No im not religious at all

I believe in evolution, i believe that religeon was just something made up to put fear into people to make them toe the line and its just stuck

There are so many loop holes and to be honest unsavory religious people that it just makes no sence to me at all for it to be real

For me science comes over a book that quite frankly anyone could have written so long ago now we have no real idea where it came from just whats been passed down to us and as we know chinese whispers usually changed when being passed about

I do respect others peoples right to believe in a god, if it gives them a meaning in life its not hurting ayone but its not for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh but some things in there are half truths.. The flood for instance... scientific data backs up that there was a massive flood..but they can also attribute it to a massive earthquake I think it was.

Moses and the plagues..there was a volcanic eruption about the same time.. spewed red mud into the nile, causing it to look blood red.. this caused plagues of flies, frogs etc... and a plague swept across the country mostly killing children.

So some of the stories have little half truths buried in there.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope.. I don't believe in it. I believe that most of it was stories that were told from one person to the next.. and if you have ever had a game of chinese whispers you know how it goes.

I believe that there was a man called Jesus, we know that as the romans recorded it..

However I look at it that he was just a clever guy who could do tricks.. think what people would think of dynamo if he were born back then... his tricks would seem miraculous... and lets face it he has done the walk on water, water to wine...

So no.. don't believe a word of it.

Cali "

lol you beat me to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Superstitious fumblings in the dark. Stories nicked from adjoining cultures and morphed over the years and the translations of translations. I'm sure there are folkloric references that tie in with reality and that the bible, from a certain point of view is an interesting and useful counterpoint to other other ancient evidence, but as regarding an explanation of god the universe and everything, I really don't think there is much of real value there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

lol you beat me to it "

Great minds think alike

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh come-on really.....

According to the religiously accepted interoperation of the time-line contained in the bible, the creation of Earth and all it contains is only around 6000 yrs old……

Like yeah!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm with the last three. It amazes me that people unquestioningly follow this nonsense yet mick the likes of David Icke for his outlandish beliefs.

Now I'm not saying that I believe what he says either but i'll bet it's not as outlandish as the crap in the religious texts which, as has already been mentioned, will have been used as a means of controlling the uneducated population through fear and awe and thus edited/re-written accordingly to suit the current regime over the years.

Today it's not so needed as they have Xfactor etc. to keep the populace brain dead!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the Beano and Dandy was available 2000 years ago we would now be worshipping the messiah Desperate Dan and his disciples of Dennis, Gnasher and Korky the cat.

For any question as to how man (and Woman, equality is important) got here scientists can answer most questions, its funny how for every question the church cant answer, and there are many, they just say the Lords moves in mysterious ways lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it is a collection of stories handed down by word of mouth for centuries before it was ever put on paper..

did jesus exist?? maybe someone existed at that time, but his powers may well have been exagarated.

did Ahab the son of Imbrahim live to be 900 and have 320 children??unlikely dont you think.

there are a lot of explanations for things mentioned in the bible and people have put their own interpretation on it.

what actually happened back then?, nobody really knows but if people take comfort from what it teaches then that is good for them.

personally i have an open mind but would look more to scientific theory and the 'big bang' first.

what you need to ask yourself is this.

what was here before time began? and who or what created 'the big bang'

i have a muslim friend who says, there must be a greater force or God, if you want to call it that, to have created the science behind the big bang and evolution in the first place..

think about it.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a fairy story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...Do you belive in what it has to say?

Are there things in it that intrigue or infuriate you?

What are your thoughts and your beliefs?"

In order then.....

1. No, seeing as it has been deliberated edited and re-edited over the millennia to suit the Church's 'needs'... eg removing various Gospels (most notably the Nostics)

2. The Book of Leviticus infuriates the hell out of me! It's where nearly all the crap the Bible bashers quote comes from (eg their bigotry towards gays etc) but they conveniently gloss over the bits which dont fit - taking your neighbours as slaves, but not your immediate ones. So we can make the Irish slaves, but not the Welsh??

3. My thoughts and beliefs? I am a member of the British Humanist Society. Nuff said?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I beleive there is some truth in the bible, i believe in jesus. Some stuff thats been said i can kind of see how it could have been translated down the years. My mum was a sunday school teacher, my first books where childrens bible stories, i loved reading them, i loved singing hymens. But i dont have a religious bone in my body

Now that's something I'd like to see on Britain's got talent ..a 'singing hymen'"

ROFPMSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive thought for a second and .......... nope its still jibberish,

Basically planets, stars , whatever collide, and I feel that after this event happened to earth all the critical elements which are required to support human life came together and then the evolutionary puzzle began.

Lets face it according to the Bible God served his wrath upon sodom and Gomorra for sexual devience, so suerly if he existed hed of venged his wrath against Catholic priests and the members of Fabs long before now lol

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

other than the odd geographical reference and not even all of those are accurate .the bible is a fictitious twisted contradiction and a bronze age human invented blood cult .

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Wonder what would be written if someone wrote a new "bible" today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the local bookshop I moved the bibles into the fiction section.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like the bible, and oldie but goody. In the bible the very first motor cycle is mentioned.

"When Moses led the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt, His "Triumph" was heard throughout the land"."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For the ladies that don't believe why shout "oh my god" then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ive thought for a second and .......... nope its still jibberish,

Basically planets, stars , whatever collide, and I feel that after this event happened to earth all the critical elements which are required to support human life came together and then the evolutionary puzzle began.

Lets face it according to the Bible God served his wrath upon sodom and Gomorra for sexual devience, so suerly if he existed hed of venged his wrath against Catholic priests and the members of Fabs long before now lol"

yeah but you need to think beyond that..

who or what created the big bang for all this to happen.

it didnt just appear in a puff of smoke...

to be honest the theory of it all is beyond the limit of the human brain but things dont just turn up so therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"to be honest the theory of it all is beyond the limit of the human brain but things dont just turn up so therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place..."

You clearly do not watch 'The Big Bang Theory'??? Sheldon's had it sussed for ages - lol!

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"If the Beano and Dandy was available 2000 years ago we would now be worshipping the messiah Desperate Dan and his disciples of Dennis, Gnasher and Korky the cat.

For any question as to how man (and Woman, equality is important) got here scientists can answer most questions, its funny how for every question the church cant answer, and there are many, they just say the Lords moves in mysterious ways lol"

Science can't explain how we got here - only how we have evolved over the last 20,000 years or so (or how many years you care to go back). I am not religeous but no one can explain where the mass required to make planets the universe etc came from

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By *inkyScot22Man
over a year ago

Anniesland


"therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place..."

I believe the standard reply to this one is: so where did the 'greater thing' come from?

Of interest, however, recently spontaneous matter generation has been achieved in a lab however the science behind it hasn't reached 'understandable by joe bloggs'-level yet (Unlike religion however, this information will, one day, be available to us all)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I answered that I didnt believe all that was in the bible.. but I think with other evidence that we can show that there are small truths in it..

However, even though I am scientifically minded.. I believe in a greater power.. Something that is beyond us... I don't know what it is... I don't give it a name.. it just is.

I believe in aliens... and to be fair to some degree things such as angels and demons.. but not with those names.. just that I believe there are powerful energy sources that sometimes take on these forms..and their most present name is angels and demons.

I was brought up with a witch for a mother ( 10th generation at that) and a C of E father and family... I also looked at ancient cultures and religions... and love reading about old gods...

I see it as a power that some people give names too.. and others dont. I also think religion is a human invention and it has been used to cause the most inhuman suffering known to man.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place...

I believe the standard reply to this one is: so where did the 'greater thing' come from?

Of interest, however, recently spontaneous matter generation has been achieved in a lab however the science behind it hasn't reached 'understandable by joe bloggs'-level yet (Unlike religion however, this information will, one day, be available to us all)"

as you say joe bloggs doesnt understand it and never will because it outside our level of comprehension.

if you ask yourself the question 'what was here before time began'?

you cant answer it because time is a finite thing to us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I answered that I didnt believe all that was in the bible.. but I think with other evidence that we can show that there are small truths in it..

However, even though I am scientifically minded.. I believe in a greater power.. Something that is beyond us... I don't know what it is... I don't give it a name.. it just is.

I believe in aliens... and to be fair to some degree things such as angels and demons.. but not with those names.. just that I believe there are powerful energy sources that sometimes take on these forms..and their most present name is angels and demons.

I was brought up with a witch for a mother ( 10th generation at that) and a C of E father and family... I also looked at ancient cultures and religions... and love reading about old gods...

I see it as a power that some people give names too.. and others dont. I also think religion is a human invention and it has been used to cause the most inhuman suffering known to man.

Cali "

I had a witch as a mother in law lol but then most men do

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place...

I believe the standard reply to this one is: so where did the 'greater thing' come from?

Of interest, however, recently spontaneous matter generation has been achieved in a lab however the science behind it hasn't reached 'understandable by joe bloggs'-level yet (Unlike religion however, this information will, one day, be available to us all)"

It is impossible to generate mass from nothing

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

I guess OP is referring to the God is an astronaut theory invented by fruit loop Erich Von Daniken?

I have read all of his books, very entertaining if a little insane and 'ranty'. He makes some compelling points though... you never know it could be true!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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It is impossible to generate mass from nothing"

so where did it all come from then???

it does your brain in thinking about it....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"to be honest the theory of it all is beyond the limit of the human brain but things dont just turn up so therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place..."

All this 'stuff' has always been here. It's always existed, but it takes different forms at different times.

Big Bang was just a cosmic spark to get our universe ticking along, but before it all the elements were still there/here. Nothing made it, most certainly no supernatural entity.

Here endeth the lesson.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"to be honest the theory of it all is beyond the limit of the human brain but things dont just turn up so therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place...

All this 'stuff' has always been here. It's always existed, but it takes different forms at different times.

Big Bang was just a cosmic spark to get our universe ticking along, but before it all the elements were still there/here. Nothing made it, most certainly no supernatural entity.

Here endeth the lesson. "

how do you define 'always' ?

since the beginning of time???

so when was that and what was there before??? nothing?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like the bible, and oldie but goody. In the bible the very first motor cycle is mentioned.

"When Moses led the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt, His "Triumph" was heard throughout the land"."

I have just been invited by a nice girl for a ride on her classic Triumph Thruxton this saturday...cant wait for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"to be honest the theory of it all is beyond the limit of the human brain but things dont just turn up so therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place...

All this 'stuff' has always been here. It's always existed, but it takes different forms at different times.

Big Bang was just a cosmic spark to get our universe ticking along, but before it all the elements were still there/here. Nothing made it, most certainly no supernatural entity.

Here endeth the lesson.

how do you define 'always' ?

since the beginning of time???

so when was that and what was there before??? nothing?????"

Time doesn't exist. It is a construct defined by man for his own use.

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By *inkyScot22Man
over a year ago

Anniesland


"since the beginning of time???

so when was that and what was there before??? nothing?????"

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that the big bang created time...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"to be honest the theory of it all is beyond the limit of the human brain but things dont just turn up so therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place...

All this 'stuff' has always been here. It's always existed, but it takes different forms at different times.

Big Bang was just a cosmic spark to get our universe ticking along, but before it all the elements were still there/here. Nothing made it, most certainly no supernatural entity.

Here endeth the lesson.

how do you define 'always' ?

since the beginning of time???

so when was that and what was there before??? nothing?????

Time doesn't exist. It is a construct defined by man for his own use."

now thats a good one... given intervals of time are a man made concept ie minutes seconds etc but time itself is real

getting very heavy this now...

i just think live for today and dont worry about what was here before and what will happen at the end...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"to be honest the theory of it all is beyond the limit of the human brain but things dont just turn up so therefore there must be some greater 'thing' to have made all this stuff in the first place...

All this 'stuff' has always been here. It's always existed, but it takes different forms at different times.

Big Bang was just a cosmic spark to get our universe ticking along, but before it all the elements were still there/here. Nothing made it, most certainly no supernatural entity.

Here endeth the lesson.

how do you define 'always' ?

since the beginning of time???

so when was that and what was there before??? nothing?????

Time doesn't exist. It is a construct defined by man for his own use."
well said,mam made time,look at your watch lol

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"

It is impossible to generate mass from nothing

so where did it all come from then???

it does your brain in thinking about it...."

all we know is that mass and energy are interchangeable - and they only conclusion can be that some some greater being /thing dare I say God supplied the energy - could not have been aliens as they would have evolved/ created the same way as man

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

Is not time just a measure of the rate that something decomposes as we now know that decomposing quartz is the best way of recording time - of course I could have made this up lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It is impossible to generate mass from nothing

so where did it all come from then???

it does your brain in thinking about it....

all we know is that mass and energy are interchangeable - and they only conclusion can be that some some greater being /thing dare I say God supplied the energy - could not have been aliens as they would have evolved/ created the same way as man"

Im sorry thats wrong you only state God must have because its outside of your comprehension and knowledge that something other than a god like force could be responsible.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Most of the bible is a pretty dull read, but some bits are really funny. I like the book of revelations and genesis..... the stuff where Noah gets d*unk and there's daughters havin' a group session with their dad and a son marrying their sister and lending her to another guy to shag so he can blackmail him out of a flock of goats.... brilliant stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of the bible is a pretty dull read, but some bits are really funny. I like the book of revelations and genesis..... the stuff where Noah gets d*unk and there's daughters havin' a group session with their dad and a son marrying their sister and lending her to another guy to shag so he can blackmail him out of a flock of goats.... brilliant stuff."

So the Bible is based on Eastenders then?

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"

It is impossible to generate mass from nothing

so where did it all come from then???

it does your brain in thinking about it....

all we know is that mass and energy are interchangeable - and they only conclusion can be that some some greater being /thing dare I say God supplied the energy - could not have been aliens as they would have evolved/ created the same way as man

Im sorry thats wrong you only state God must have because its outside of your comprehension and knowledge that something other than a god like force could be responsible."

Where is your evidence that I am wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It is impossible to generate mass from nothing

so where did it all come from then???

it does your brain in thinking about it....

all we know is that mass and energy are interchangeable - and they only conclusion can be that some some greater being /thing dare I say God supplied the energy - could not have been aliens as they would have evolved/ created the same way as man

Im sorry thats wrong you only state God must have because its outside of your comprehension and knowledge that something other than a god like force could be responsible.

Where is your evidence that I am wrong "

Equally wheres your evidence you are right??

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"

It is impossible to generate mass from nothing

so where did it all come from then???

it does your brain in thinking about it....

all we know is that mass and energy are interchangeable - and they only conclusion can be that some some greater being /thing dare I say God supplied the energy - could not have been aliens as they would have evolved/ created the same way as man

Im sorry thats wrong you only state God must have because its outside of your comprehension and knowledge that something other than a god like force could be responsible.

Where is your evidence that I am wrong

Equally wheres your evidence you are right??"

I didnt say I was right but you said I was wrong do you have a better suggestion where the energy/mass came from

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"Most of the bible is a pretty dull read, but some bits are really funny. I like the book of revelations and genesis..... the stuff where Noah gets d*unk and there's daughters havin' a group session with their dad and a son marrying their sister and lending her to another guy to shag so he can blackmail him out of a flock of goats.... brilliant stuff.

So the Bible is based on Eastenders then? "

There's certainly more sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It is impossible to generate mass from nothing

so where did it all come from then???

it does your brain in thinking about it....

all we know is that mass and energy are interchangeable - and they only conclusion can be that some some greater being /thing dare I say God supplied the energy - could not have been aliens as they would have evolved/ created the same way as man

Im sorry thats wrong you only state God must have because its outside of your comprehension and knowledge that something other than a god like force could be responsible.

Where is your evidence that I am wrong

Equally wheres your evidence you are right??

I didnt say I was right but you said I was wrong do you have a better suggestion where the energy/mass came from"
Like you I have absolutely no idea, it was your comment that some greater being like God created it, not Aliens how do you know and where is your proof for this, its all subjectual really and neither of us know and we are boring everyone else so I for one will be looking for other subjects to add my worthless thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It is impossible to generate mass from nothing

so where did it all come from then???

it does your brain in thinking about it....

all we know is that mass and energy are interchangeable - and they only conclusion can be that some some greater being /thing dare I say God supplied the energy - could not have been aliens as they would have evolved/ created the same way as man

Im sorry thats wrong you only state God must have because its outside of your comprehension and knowledge that something other than a god like force could be responsible."

god is just a man made concept.

god is what you want it to be.

something somewhere created all matter and energy, some greater being.. god is just a name some people put to that being...

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"

It is impossible to generate mass from nothing

so where did it all come from then???

it does your brain in thinking about it....

all we know is that mass and energy are interchangeable - and they only conclusion can be that some some greater being /thing dare I say God supplied the energy - could not have been aliens as they would have evolved/ created the same way as man

Im sorry thats wrong you only state God must have because its outside of your comprehension and knowledge that something other than a god like force could be responsible.

Where is your evidence that I am wrong

Equally wheres your evidence you are right??

I didnt say I was right but you said I was wrong do you have a better suggestion where the energy/mass came fromLike you I have absolutely no idea, it was your comment that some greater being like God created it, not Aliens how do you know and where is your proof for this, its all subjectual really and neither of us know and we are boring everyone else so I for one will be looking for other subjects to add my worthless thoughts "

I did say earlier on that not even scientist can explain it so all I did was make what seems a logical conclusion to me based on science as we know it

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By *tensonSwingersCouple
over a year ago

Stenson Fields

I'm an Insomniac, Agnostic, Dyslexic.

I lie awake all night, wondering if there really is a Dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who created God?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

It always amazes me the fluffy logic that for stuff to exist an alleged intelligent stuff creator is required .

what is more plausible ? For fundamental matter or energy without consciousness to have existed for infinite time and using a proven method evolve slowly into ever increasing complexity

or

for energy/ matter have always existed fully formed with a consciousness and equipped with infinite power and an intense sadistic streak

those daft enough not to understand that requiring a creator to design and build complex systems is a none reducing circle and will always with faulty logic require the complex creator itself to have a creator

T he power and methods of evolution negate any need for a creative power at any part

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden


"Who created God? "

A chicken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want a good laugh and a different view on the subject watch Ricky Gervais fame DVD its brilliant the way he explains what happened

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God and/or religion seem to me to be just an excuse for ignorance of fact. The "easy way" has always been a human trait, and if you can pass off unexplained phenomenae as acts of a god you can use it as a tool in your favour without actually having to explain it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always amazes me the fluffy logic that for stuff to exist an alleged intelligent stuff creator is required .

what is more plausible ? For fundamental matter or energy without consciousness to have existed for infinite time and using a proven method evolve slowly into ever increasing complexity

or

for energy/ matter have always existed fully formed with a consciousness and equipped with infinite power and an intense sadistic streak

those daft enough not to understand that requiring a creator to design and build complex systems is a none reducing circle and will always with faulty logic require the complex creator itself to have a creator

T he power and methods of evolution negate any need for a creative power at any part "

Eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm an Insomniac, Agnostic, Dyslexic.

I lie awake all night, wondering if there really is a Dog. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you need too watch a series on YOUTUBE called ancient aliens then stand there and tell me we are not alone and being MANIPULATED ???the truth is out there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

creationism-bible no.quantum-like understandings of reality yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It always amazes me the fluffy logic that for stuff to exist an alleged intelligent stuff creator is required .

what is more plausible ? For fundamental matter or energy without consciousness to have existed for infinite time and using a proven method evolve slowly into ever increasing complexity

or

for energy/ matter have always existed fully formed with a consciousness and equipped with infinite power and an intense sadistic streak

those daft enough not to understand that requiring a creator to design and build complex systems is a none reducing circle and will always with faulty logic require the complex creator itself to have a creator

T he power and methods of evolution negate any need for a creative power at any part

Eh? "

interesting debate though isnt it???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the bible is just a book of fairy tales. I do believe there was a man called Jesus who believed he was Gods son. I think he was just a crazy man who today would probably be locked up. I believe he did preach all about god and he believed there is heaven, hell and all that stuff. How ever he was as human as you and I. Some of the stories do intrigue me like that of the ark of the covenant and the holy grail but they are just objects with no 'real' power other than making people believe in them. I do think its a persons right to believe in any god they wish but I will never share those beliefs.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan."

A little like my views above - until science can prove something - then all possibilities are an option and even then scientist can have different theories and or proof

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan."

that is mainly because of the nature of quantum dynamics(and related theories), as the observer ur reality is based on ur own unique perspective, given that an entirely different existence any random thought can produce alternate realities.Almost no reality can be discounted..even though we appear to share some more common ones...thats why nobody will disprove 'GOD'..but we can see the influences of energy around us,in us, and transferring or transcending reality.

but I dont think the bible can answer questions it denies to be true,thats why I choose science and other spiritual outlets to answer some of my ponderings.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"........ and other spiritual outlets to answer some of my ponderings."

Yes we've all seen you pondering into an outlet.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan."

Is this an example of your 'Make up shit' debating ploy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"........ and other spiritual outlets to answer some of my ponderings.

Yes we've all seen you pondering into an outlet."

quantumcumbuckets!

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

Is this an example of your 'Make up shit' debating ploy?"

Would you like me to quote a few or will a suffice.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

Is this an example of your 'Make up shit' debating ploy?

Would you like me to quote a few or will a suffice."

You didn't say a few..you said most..that's an awful lot of quotes!

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

Is this an example of your 'Make up shit' debating ploy?

Would you like me to quote a few or will a suffice.

You didn't say a few..you said most..that's an awful lot of quotes!"

Doesn't that depend on what you or I consider to be 'really clever'.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

Is this an example of your 'Make up shit' debating ploy?

Would you like me to quote a few or will a suffice.

You didn't say a few..you said most..that's an awful lot of quotes!

Doesn't that depend on what you or I consider to be 'really clever'."

So in your opinion there are a very limited number of what you call 'really clever science bods'

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

Is this an example of your 'Make up shit' debating ploy?

Would you like me to quote a few or will a suffice.

You didn't say a few..you said most..that's an awful lot of quotes!

Doesn't that depend on what you or I consider to be 'really clever'.

So in your opinion there are a very limited number of what you call 'really clever science bods'"

Well done, you got there in the end.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I believe in nature, no other power or entity can beat it, it's been around before us and will continue after us.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

Is this an example of your 'Make up shit' debating ploy?

Would you like me to quote a few or will a suffice.

You didn't say a few..you said most..that's an awful lot of quotes!

Doesn't that depend on what you or I consider to be 'really clever'.

So in your opinion there are a very limited number of what you call 'really clever science bods'

Well done, you got there in the end."

Love it..a list will suffice for now

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

Is this an example of your 'Make up shit' debating ploy?

Would you like me to quote a few or will a suffice.

You didn't say a few..you said most..that's an awful lot of quotes!

Doesn't that depend on what you or I consider to be 'really clever'.

So in your opinion there are a very limited number of what you call 'really clever science bods'

Well done, you got there in the end.

Love it..a list will suffice for now"

I'm sure it would, but I am also well aware you are trying to make me show my hand whilst not showing yours.... so I call.... prove me wrong. For every leading science bod (of Hawking status or above) you can name who has 100% dismissed the possibility of an entity, I'll match ya' and raise ya'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like the bible, and oldie but goody. In the bible the very first motor cycle is mentioned.

"When Moses led the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt, His "Triumph" was heard throughout the land"."
Now that was funny..thankyou

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

Is this an example of your 'Make up shit' debating ploy?

Would you like me to quote a few or will a suffice.

You didn't say a few..you said most..that's an awful lot of quotes!

Doesn't that depend on what you or I consider to be 'really clever'.

So in your opinion there are a very limited number of what you call 'really clever science bods'

Well done, you got there in the end.

Love it..a list will suffice for now

I'm sure it would, but I am also well aware you are trying to make me show my hand whilst not showing yours.... so I call.... prove me wrong. For every leading science bod (of Hawking status or above) you can name who has 100% dismissed the possibility of an entity, I'll match ya' and raise ya'."

Ok I'll start with Richard Feynman and Murray Gell-Mann

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan."

I think the original post was about the bible and religious claptrap rather than any entity though x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I find odd, when people go on about preferring to believe science, is the fact most really clever science bods like the Hawkster and Co will not rule out the possibility of an entity, God if you like, having something to do with original plan.

I think the original post was about the bible and religious claptrap rather than any entity though x"

The Entity? I saw that at the pics years ago. Barbara Hershey gets her tits groped by a poltergeist.... Hmmmmm........ Lucky Poltergeist!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Good science does not require belief it requires understanding .

the understanding of the facts of evolution negate the need for a creator . Logically infact a creator always raises more questions than it solves

as for aliens maybe they exist maybe not but they are only ever evolved creatures and not a fundamental creator logic illustrates that not one of the human invented god concepts hold continuity with proven geological . Astrological and biological realities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I disagree with the theory that REligions are set up to decieve people and make them tow the line. Human being are very spitiual people. I loose track of the number of people who say that they are atheist, but fervently believe in Astrology and healign crystals etc. These are just different types of faiths.........

The bible and the koran, the Torah and The Grunth are part story and part moral guidance.

The people who wrote Genesis (and it's equivalent storys) did not know anything about Geology or Genetics and so it was probably quite reasonable to believe that God made the World. We now know much more about the physical world, but I bet very few people can actualy explain the mechanisms behind Natural Selection (which has signifanct flaws, which don't necesarily point to Inteligent Design) or geological Plate Techtonics (because there are significant gaps in our knowledge of 'Deep Earth' mechanics).

The storeys of Moses and the Great Flood are repeated in a wide variety of holy books across the 'smeitic' world (the story of Gilgamesh has siginifant similarities to the Bilibical flood story and tels pretty much the same story). Those stories point to a great flooding event which actualy happened to mesolithic or early Neolithic people who lived on the shores of the Black Sea when the rise in global sea levels poored through the Helespont and the Med's waters flooded their sea side settlements. The archeological evidence of the diaspora of those semitic people points directly to them having come from the Southern and Eastern shores of the Black sea before they, in turn, displaced the indiginous peoples of the middle east. The Gilgamesh/Great Flood storeys are just the way the legend was passed on.

No matter the historical innacuracies in the Old Testiment are numerous, but the esential message of the New Testament (particualy the Gospels and the Epistles) of love, generosity, charity and forgivness are as valid now as they were when they were codified. If all the people of the world lived their lives according to those tennets, we would live in much nicer societies..............

Significantly more than 2p, but hey ho........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I disagree with the theory that REligions are set up to decieve people and make them tow the line. Human being are very spitiual people. I loose track of the number of people who say that they are atheist, but fervently believe in Astrology and healign crystals etc. These are just different types of faiths.........

The bible and the koran, the Torah and The Grunth are part story and part moral guidance.

The people who wrote Genesis (and it's equivalent storys) did not know anything about Geology or Genetics and so it was probably quite reasonable to believe that God made the World. We now know much more about the physical world, but I bet very few people can actualy explain the mechanisms behind Natural Selection (which has signifanct flaws, which don't necesarily point to Inteligent Design) or geological Plate Techtonics (because there are significant gaps in our knowledge of 'Deep Earth' mechanics).

The storeys of Moses and the Great Flood are repeated in a wide variety of holy books across the 'smeitic' world (the story of Gilgamesh has siginifant similarities to the Bilibical flood story and tels pretty much the same story). Those stories point to a great flooding event which actualy happened to mesolithic or early Neolithic people who lived on the shores of the Black Sea when the rise in global sea levels poored through the Helespont and the Med's waters flooded their sea side settlements. The archeological evidence of the diaspora of those semitic people points directly to them having come from the Southern and Eastern shores of the Black sea before they, in turn, displaced the indiginous peoples of the middle east. The Gilgamesh/Great Flood storeys are just the way the legend was passed on.

No matter the historical innacuracies in the Old Testiment are numerous, but the esential message of the New Testament (particualy the Gospels and the Epistles) of love, generosity, charity and forgivness are as valid now as they were when they were codified. If all the people of the world lived their lives according to those tennets, we would live in much nicer societies..............

Significantly more than 2p, but hey ho........"

Well I agree with your first bit because I spit all over the place, totally disagree with your second bit as I can't abide Phil Collins so how anybody could regard him as a religious icon is beyond me. Couldn't be arsed with the rest of it though, sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well I agree with your first bit because I spit all over the place, totally disagree with your second bit as I can't abide Phil Collins so how anybody could regard him as a religious icon is beyond me. Couldn't be arsed with the rest of it though, sorry "

Lol, but the drummer in the monkey suit on the chocolate add was F**kin Briliant!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFS, Noah, not Moses (Doh!)

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"

Ok I'll start with Richard Feynman and Murray Gell-Mann"

Feynman may well have referred to himself as an atheist, but that was more to distance himself from his Jewish up bringing and ethnic labelling. I don’t know if he did or didn’t 100% deny the possible existance of an entity… but I’ll give you that one in trade for the obvious Einstein.... who wrote letters to God.

Gell-Mann… born Jewish… and still is isn’t he? Well may be more Conservative Judaism (I could be wrong on that bit) but his son had his batmitzvah.

So anyway, I’ll play safe with Hawking… even though he’s often misquoted as denying an entity when he said "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing….. ...It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

And his family says he is an atheist… he still maintains he does not believe in heaven or an after life, "but God may have wrote the laws of physics".

And I’ll raise you the Hawksters good buddy Penrose.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

PS... I dare you to reference where they 100% deny the possibility of an entity rather than just chucking names.... I know my bad I should have mentioned that before.

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over a year ago


"i believe the bible and koran and all the rest are the same, they was intended to be moral stories but over the years they have been twisted and manipulated to serve peoples kings queens rulers wishes, and course nothing but trouble, however the belief there is something after this life gives alot of people hope and peace of mind, gives alot of people friendship and companionship so do alot of good which was intended, as in do i believe in god im not sure but there is something different in humans than in animals and thats soul so im still confused as not sure on the old evolution theory, As in aliens we would be very niave to think we are the only living creatures in this universe but have they visit us or not im not sure but alot of history and evidence does prove there as been. so in the end im open minded about it all"

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"I think the bible is just a book of fairy tales. I do believe there was a man called Jesus who believed he was Gods son. I think he was just a crazy man who today would probably be locked up. I believe he did preach all about god and he believed there is heaven, hell and all that stuff. How ever he was as human as you and I. Some of the stories do intrigue me like that of the ark of the covenant and the holy grail but they are just objects with no 'real' power other than making people believe in them. I do think its a persons right to believe in any god they wish but I will never share those beliefs."
To be honest, I don't think it realy matters if there was a man called Jesus (or Joshua as his name was more likely to be) or that he might or might not have been or thought he was the some of God. The important theme is the message that he was trying to spread..........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have always wondered about Adam and Eve, if they were the first people on earth, where was the procreation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have always wondered about Adam and Eve, if they were the first people on earth, where was the procreation?

"
The better quiestion is If Adam and Eve had only two sons and if Cain Killed able, how the fuck did he creat the multitudes of the Earth when he went unto the wilderness on his own?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I beleive there is some truth in the bible, i believe in jesus. Some stuff thats been said i can kind of see how it could have been translated down the years. My mum was a sunday school teacher, my first books where childrens bible stories, i loved reading them, i loved singing hymens. But i dont have a religious bone in my body"

A singing hymen ! I'd have paid good money to see that .......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have always wondered about Adam and Eve, if they were the first people on earth, where was the procreation?

"

watch Prometheus

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By *eet_the_spartanMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Find a copy of the documentary film 'Zeitgeist'. I defy anyone to believe in the bible after watching it!

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"

Ok I'll start with Richard Feynman and Murray Gell-Mann

Feynman may well have referred to himself as an atheist, but that was more to distance himself from his Jewish up bringing and ethnic labelling. I don’t know if he did or didn’t 100% deny the possible existance of an entity… but I’ll give you that one in trade for the obvious Einstein.... who wrote letters to God.

Gell-Mann… born Jewish… and still is isn’t he? Well may be more Conservative Judaism (I could be wrong on that bit) but his son had his batmitzvah.

So anyway, I’ll play safe with Hawking… even though he’s often misquoted as denying an entity when he said "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing….. ...It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

And his family says he is an atheist… he still maintains he does not believe in heaven or an after life, "but God may have wrote the laws of physics".

And I’ll raise you the Hawksters good buddy Penrose.

"

Not clear why being Jewish is relevant..nice smokescreen though..Einstein(Jewish) not a great start..rejected Quantum Mechanics 'God doesn't play dice with the Universe'..got that badly wrong!..Hawking..'So long as the Universe had a beginning,we could suppose it had a creator, but if the Universe is really completely self contained, having no edge, it would have neither beginning nor end.It would simply be,what place then for a creator' ( A Brief History of Time )...Stephen Jay Gould..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It all comes down to whether you believe in the resurrection. If you consider yourself a christian bu thave the slightest inkling that the resurrection bit be a little bit of poetic license the the whole thing comes crashing down.

I saw a documentary on BBC4 some time ago that explored the theory that Jesus was a Buddhist Monk. to be honest it was more credible that The New Testament

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

God is said to be omnipotent.

If God existed, he could create a stone, infinitely heavy so that no man or god could carry it. This means even God himself could not carry it. As God is omnipotent he should be able to carry the stone regardless of its weight.

The contradiction is used as a philosophical argument to disprove the existence of (an omnipotent) God.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"It all comes down to whether you believe in the resurrection. If you consider yourself a christian bu thave the slightest inkling that the resurrection bit be a little bit of poetic license the the whole thing comes crashing down.

I saw a documentary on BBC4 some time ago that explored the theory that Jesus was a Buddhist Monk. to be honest it was more credible that The New Testament"
Did it mention he had siblings (incidentally, this is true)

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

OK _bbandflow, I throw my hand in… you win, you’re the dog that got the cream, the cat’s bollox.

I still stand by my ‘opinion’ based on one of the key piriciples of science, that being if it can’t be disproved, it can’t be 100% rulled out..... probably why you find the word ’theory’ used quite a lot.

Besides which… I simply can’t be arsed to go hunting through books to find one line quotes.

So there you have it… enjoy!

Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time: "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we should know the mind of God,"

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"OK _bbandflow, I throw my hand in… you win, you’re the dog that got the cream, the cat’s bollox.

I still stand by my ‘opinion’ based on one of the key piriciples of science, that being if it can’t be disproved, it can’t be 100% rulled out..... probably why you find the word ’theory’ used quite a lot.

Besides which… I simply can’t be arsed to go hunting through books to find one line quotes.

So there you have it… enjoy!

Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time: "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we should know the mind of God,"

"
Thank God..lol...I can watch the football now.

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over a year ago


"God is said to be omnipotent.

If God existed, he could create a stone, infinitely heavy so that no man or god could carry it. This means even God himself could not carry it. As God is omnipotent he should be able to carry the stone regardless of its weight.

The contradiction is used as a philosophical argument to disprove the existence of (an omnipotent) God. "

I suppose a god would have telekinesis as a power...

*the movie 'Watchmen' - I think gives good account what it would be like to be a god, with an omnipotence...however what omnipotence cant go against is the infinite multitude variance of freewill- dejargonized, it would mean a 'god' may only see the possibilities of something(s) happening, if they knew everything then it would dispel freewill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The love they neighbour bit is ok as long as they are fit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive been thinking about the story of Noah a bit more, maybe cos Im bored looking at the cam page for now ...

A few things spring to mind, apparently the animals went in 2 by 2, how did they get them there? ive watched loads of wildlife films and they struggle to catch one by darting them, how did they select the right 2? what happened if 4 turned up? we all know what sheep are like an entire flock would have arrived!

The Ark appears a tad small, did they have to install sun roofs to allow Giraffe heads to poke through, was this fair it may be freezing and they could catch a cold or worse, and waht was stopping the Lions, Tigers and every other predator from eating everything else including Noah..........Nope its all too much Ill go back to cams

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over a year ago

The Bible needs to be in the context of how it was interpreted, the vast amount of people were happy with what the priest told them as he was likely the only chap who could read, so whether it was delivered in a manner to benefit the church or the people was down to the individual priest, I reckon should you wish to further you career or get rich, it was essential to tow the line.

A lot has been explained or more rational theories put forward, a great example of how people need to rationalise things was the ancient Egyptians, the Nile flowed through a baking hot desert, then flooded every year, yet it hadn't rained. Wouldn't you think that was a miracle and if it failed you'd thought you must of done something wrong. We've only known the true answer for 150 years.

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