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Are all the fad diets the same?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I would say yes they are, from weight watchers to atkins, what all these diets have in common is that they are creating a calorie deficit, there are no special ways to it as all the foods are created equal

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

All they have done is to come up with a fancy name to it.

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By *ere2help82Man
over a year ago

Bromsgrove

Agreed, anything sustainable needs to be a lifestyle change not a diet.

It's all about an imaginary scale calories burnt needs to outweigh or equal what's consumed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unless there is a calorie deficit you arent going to lose weight, Shag but your question is basically are all diets the same?

No, no they arent, except for that one point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree shag. All just money makers..Healthy eating and exercise is key and we all know that at the end of the day..Both combined and youve cracked it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True story Shag.

It's all about the calorie deficit.

But the diet industry is worth a lot of money and they will keep coming up with new trendy ways to eat less calories and charge you a fortune for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just need to eat less, up your exercise and willpower. Easier for some people than others. I like biscuits, ice cream, sweets, crisps, peanuts, beer etc. And get cravings I need to satisfy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess it’s about finding what helps you find a sustainable way of creating that deficit or maintenance

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Agreed, anything sustainable needs to be a lifestyle change not a diet.

It's all about an imaginary scale calories burnt needs to outweigh or equal what's consumed"
That is also right .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Unless there is a calorie deficit you arent going to lose weight, Shag but your question is basically are all diets the same?

No, no they arent, except for that one point."
I know. I did 2 observings there, a fancy name for the system and a calorie deficit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree shag. All just money makers..Healthy eating and exercise is key and we all know that at the end of the day..Both combined and youve cracked it...

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Yes and as well with how long to be in the deficit too, that determines what someones goal would be

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"True story Shag.

It's all about the calorie deficit.

But the diet industry is worth a lot of money and they will keep coming up with new trendy ways to eat less calories and charge you a fortune for it "
Yes it is worth alot of money too and you are right there they are comming up woth new ways too. I wonder if there is one called the eat less move more diet?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Just need to eat less, up your exercise and willpower. Easier for some people than others. I like biscuits, ice cream, sweets, crisps, peanuts, beer etc. And get cravings I need to satisfy."
Yes it is all about will power too. I also crave few things like haribos but I keep it to the minum. I allow myself 10 gummy bears a day

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I guess it’s about finding what helps you find a sustainable way of creating that deficit or maintenance "
Yes they can be good in that way too as you can choose what system to use there.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

What about diets that change your metabolism or appetite ? Are they not different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would say yes they are, from weight watchers to atkins, what all these diets have in common is that they are creating a calorie deficit, there are no special ways to it as all the foods are created equal "

That's the biggest load of crap and you know that. Some foods are calorie dense, others aren't. People are also very different therefore what works for one does not work for another. There are, to no surprise, gender differences too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Agreed, anything sustainable needs to be a lifestyle change not a diet.

It's all about an imaginary scale calories burnt needs to outweigh or equal what's consumed"

One cannot forget metabolic rate and this varies according to age, gender, ethnicity, health... Have I forgotten anything, ah yes the foods themselves.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Technically yes but if someone was going to do one, I'd say it was better to at least do one eating real and varied food rather than the more extreme just juice/shakes/1 type of food diets.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Maybe a generalisation, but I think people who put faith in particular diets often don’t understand nutrition , don’t cook and are not aware - don’t listen to thier bodies. It’s all about the type of relationship you have with food. It doesn’t have to be a battle of your will vs your stomach, if it is deal with that through fasting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some might need coaching how to eat and following a branded diet might be just what they need to kick in some changes and have faith it will work. Not for me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I would say yes they are, from weight watchers to atkins, what all these diets have in common is that they are creating a calorie deficit, there are no special ways to it as all the foods are created equal

That's the biggest load of crap and you know that. Some foods are calorie dense, others aren't. People are also very different therefore what works for one does not work for another. There are, to no surprise, gender differences too. "
I know, but for the most of the time that is how it works there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Maybe a generalisation, but I think people who put faith in particular diets often don’t understand nutrition , don’t cook and are not aware - don’t listen to thier bodies. It’s all about the type of relationship you have with food. It doesn’t have to be a battle of your will vs your stomach, if it is deal with that through fasting."
That is a good point too, so in that way they can follow a program to get good results from it as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Technically yes but if someone was going to do one, I'd say it was better to at least do one eating real and varied food rather than the more extreme just juice/shakes/1 type of food diets. "

The nhs is actually promoting this for diabetic, and giving free food.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Some might need coaching how to eat and following a branded diet might be just what they need to kick in some changes and have faith it will work. Not for me. "
Yes they are good in that way too as it is like a coach as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just need to eat less, up your exercise and willpower. Easier for some people than others. I like biscuits, ice cream, sweets, crisps, peanuts, beer etc. And get cravings I need to satisfy.Yes it is all about will power too. I also crave few things like haribos but I keep it to the minum. I allow myself 10 gummy bears a day "

See I'd just eat the whole packet in one go. So I find it easier not to buy some stuff at all. If it's not in the house I can't eat it. But then I just vape more to satisfy the cravings.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Just need to eat less, up your exercise and willpower. Easier for some people than others. I like biscuits, ice cream, sweets, crisps, peanuts, beer etc. And get cravings I need to satisfy.Yes it is all about will power too. I also crave few things like haribos but I keep it to the minum. I allow myself 10 gummy bears a day

See I'd just eat the whole packet in one go. So I find it easier not to buy some stuff at all. If it's not in the house I can't eat it. But then I just vape more to satisfy the cravings."
Yes I could as well eat the whole packet. I find it easy to control. I also have a fun calorie budget that I can have some of what I want each day. I follow flexible dieting which doesnt feel like dieting as you dont restrict any food groups

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By *ensuallover1000Man
over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

I’ve just invented the greatest diet of them all; I’m calling it the ‘Look’ diet.

......if one looks at it, one must not eat it

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By *willfindyouWoman
over a year ago

Not looking to meet new peeps.

lost 5 stone years ago. Stop eating crap food. simple..

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish


"lost 5 stone years ago. Stop eating crap food. simple.. "

Exactly. Diets are a short term fix but if you eat sensibly then you never have to bother with them again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the keyword that many have said on here is sustainability.

These fad diets work for losing weight, but you need to find a plan that you can keep up with for the rest of your life which these diets definitely aren't made for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbh, all diets work around the same thing no matter what the title is . And that prodomentily is the calorie deficit. I have always done daddy diets and it not work. So I simplified it after reading James smiemtha book and shed 20kg over a year period. By just simply montiorei g the calories in Vs out

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By *anshee99Woman
over a year ago

all over

hmmm... I disagree...

Slimming World does not count calories

Atkins is essentially an idiots guide to keto...

Both of these are used my medical professionals to lose weight or control health problems.. diabetes, IBS, chrones etc.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Just need to eat less, up your exercise and willpower. Easier for some people than others. I like biscuits, ice cream, sweets, crisps, peanuts, beer etc. And get cravings I need to satisfy.Yes it is all about will power too. I also crave few things like haribos but I keep it to the minum. I allow myself 10 gummy bears a day

See I'd just eat the whole packet in one go. So I find it easier not to buy some stuff at all. If it's not in the house I can't eat it. But then I just vape more to satisfy the cravings."

Not having crap in the house definitely helps a lot of people it’s a bit like controlling a child’s sweets though, you hope one day they grow up and don’t need you to.

Who is it so many adults have to do this ?

The answer is our brains are pretty basic, and not evolved. When we used to catch an animal or find a cherry tree we’d gorge on it, and store fat and sugar in our bodies. But now we dint need too, there’s a supermarket over the road, and even 247 service station that has food. But we still like to store fat (warmth) and sugar (energy) in our bodies as a backup....

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"hmmm... I disagree...

Slimming World does not count calories

Atkins is essentially an idiots guide to keto...

Both of these are used my medical professionals to lose weight or control health problems.. diabetes, IBS, chrones etc. "

I disagree

Sw swaps calories for simple points but the effect is exactly the same

Atkins and keto both only work if the amount of calories in the food consumed is less than the body has used

Cutting out a whole food group kinda naturally reduces energy intake

Not many humans can consume vast quantities of fat without the carb binder

It also needs to be acknowledged although protein has an energy value of 4 cal per g it also like all food has a digestion load

I usually count a net energy of macros at

Carbs 4 cal protein 3 and fat 10 per g

Shags basic point is correct

Eating strategies and food types indeed can have benifical statistics attached however the subtle differences noted in quality research papers become vastly over blown and as shag suggests fad diets way over claim the advantage of its method as a silver cure all bullet which is nonsense

Keto at a 450 cal daily deficit may equate a balanced diet of 500 reduction

Sustained calorific deficit is what leads to fat loss

A diet may either help with the sustainability or the deficit great enjoy that's a good thing

It's when they convince a person they can eat more than they expend yet still lose with ease based upon a distorted soundbite that's just unhealthy misleading and dishonest

Food types and timing absolutely affect metabolism yet far far less than ever suggested

Protein over carb yes but it's a difference of grams a week not kgs and other factors interplay such as hormones such as ghrelin for hunger and leptin for satiation

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By *onkyLemonsCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

You’re definitely right in saying that all diets are essentially the same, because all they do is give you a set of rules to follow that will create a caloric deficit for you.

I think what most (if not all?) diets fail to do is educate the user as to why they keep gaining weight or returning to poor habits and force the user to come to rely on that diet for weight loss (and thus, encourage return business).

The Mrs tried Slimming World and lost some weight a few years back. What I noticed was that they didn’t educate anyone at all - just encouraged following their rules to create a calorie deficit (eat as much fruit and veg as you want, because it’s “free” - binge eating isn’t a problem at all!). As soon as she stopped, she started gaining some of that weight back, because she didn’t know how else to keep it off - other than following Slimming World’s rules!

We discovered James Smith not so long ago and I love his no bullshit approach to fitness and dieting! If anyone is struggling to make sense of it, I hugely recommend you do a Google search for him!

He has loads of free resources, videos etc etc all explaining different things and he doesn’t try to sell anything to you. There’s no “plan” or “diet”, just cold hard facts about the poor eating habits you’ve developed and education about how to bring about meaningful and long lasting change!

I’ve been learning and know how to create a calorie deficit myself now (had no idea before!). I don’t have any strict rules or regimes to follow, all foods are still available to me - I just have to create a deficit....so if I eat that piece of cake, I’ve got to drop those calories somewhere else....and I find it so much more sustainable!

I’ve lost 4 inches off my waist and almost 2 stone since then!

- Mr

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By *edLionScotMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I don't agree that 'all diets are created equal'.

I've been lucky that I've never needed to diet. Well, until now.

Previously, I've got back to exercising to expend more calories.

I understand my BMR better. If I eat more calories, I gain weight, if I eat fewer, I lose.

Illness, injury and lockdown, have seen my weight increase. I'm now back to building up my training load.

I am currently following Dr Michael Mosley's Fast800 programme. It provides menus and shopping lists. The secret is preparation and discipline.

I'll do this for 12weeks, and then transition to a sustainable menu.

30lbs lost in 6weeks, so I'm fairly happy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"lost 5 stone years ago. Stop eating crap food. simple.. "
Well done and you are right there there

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I would say yes they are, from weight watchers to atkins, what all these diets have in common is that they are creating a calorie deficit, there are no special ways to it as all the foods are created equal

That's the biggest load of crap and you know that. Some foods are calorie dense, others aren't. People are also very different therefore what works for one does not work for another. There are, to no surprise, gender differences too. I know, but for the most of the time that is how it works there."
And for the high calorie dence food such as meat it isnt adviceable to eat so much of it when dieting as it will fill up the calories quick, rather go for lean sources like chicken and tuna to name few of them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Tbh, all diets work around the same thing no matter what the title is . And that prodomentily is the calorie deficit. I have always done daddy diets and it not work. So I simplified it after reading James smiemtha book and shed 20kg over a year period. By just simply montiorei g the calories in Vs out "
Well done and yes for the most part it is about being in a calorie defict calories in v out there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Diets are all the same in respect that they do not achieve what you want which is long term weight loss.

If you want to achieve your goals and stick to them then you need to change your lifestyle on eating and exercise.

Loads of great advice out there but I recommend some of the following tips:

1 record all that you eat and look at it’s nutritional value. Myfitnesspal app is good for this.

2. Cut out processed meals and refined sugar

3. Drink water. Easy way to know how much is to know your weight in pounds, divide it in two and convert into grams - that’s how much water you should drink per day to be properly hydrated

4. Eat foods that satiate. Wholemeal, fibrous and protein first. If it’s white or beige it’s generally out, colourful is good (not a packet of skittles!)

5. Carbs to no more than 40% of what you eat.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Interesting points everyone and yes, these fad diets are good as it kind of is a coach as well, but in general weight loss is simple science, it doesnt have to be complicated

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By *arah_TGTV/TS
over a year ago

amesbury


"Agreed, anything sustainable needs to be a lifestyle change not a diet.

It's all about an imaginary scale calories burnt needs to outweigh or equal what's consumed"

If only it was that simple!

Yes cutting calories and increasing exercise should work in the short term (although no two people respond the same to diets - not even identical twins).

The issue is that the body is programmed to maintain fat levels for the coming winter or ice age. So after a while the body gets more efficient at creating fat stores from less. So all diets are doomed to fail in the long run.

I lost weight in my twenties by cutting calories and exercise, I kept the weight off for 25 years by increasing the amount of exercise until I was running 50+ miles a week (plus swimming cycling, squash , circuit training ......).

Then my hips gave up and eventually I could barely walk.

Now despite still eating a low calorie diet and doing as much exercise as my metal hips will allow I’m as big as I ever was.

That’s life

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"hmmm... I disagree...

Slimming World does not count calories

Atkins is essentially an idiots guide to keto...

Both of these are used my medical professionals to lose weight or control health problems.. diabetes, IBS, chrones etc.

I disagree

Sw swaps calories for simple points but the effect is exactly the same

Atkins and keto both only work if the amount of calories in the food consumed is less than the body has used

Cutting out a whole food group kinda naturally reduces energy intake

Not many humans can consume vast quantities of fat without the carb binder

It also needs to be acknowledged although protein has an energy value of 4 cal per g it also like all food has a digestion load

I usually count a net energy of macros at

Carbs 4 cal protein 3 and fat 10 per g

Shags basic point is correct

Eating strategies and food types indeed can have benifical statistics attached however the subtle differences noted in quality research papers become vastly over blown and as shag suggests fad diets way over claim the advantage of its method as a silver cure all bullet which is nonsense

Keto at a 450 cal daily deficit may equate a balanced diet of 500 reduction

Sustained calorific deficit is what leads to fat loss

A diet may either help with the sustainability or the deficit great enjoy that's a good thing

It's when they convince a person they can eat more than they expend yet still lose with ease based upon a distorted soundbite that's just unhealthy misleading and dishonest

Food types and timing absolutely affect metabolism yet far far less than ever suggested

Protein over carb yes but it's a difference of grams a week not kgs and other factors interplay such as hormones such as ghrelin for hunger and leptin for satiation

"
That is right they are using points instead, the calories are already calculated into the points and at the end of the day on the diet the persons points would equal to a calorue defic there.

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