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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Heard yesterday that from October if you are sick in your hols then you are entitled to compensation from your employer. Im not sure of the comp but surely it can only be extra hols or extra pay ....... more than likely extra hols..

I think this is fooking madness... if you are sick on your day off isn't it just tough ?

Why should your employer compensate you?

Can the harseholes who just say it's great cos it goes there way not bother.

Just those who can see the implications..... ta xx

Well ?

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By *exki11enWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity! "

Agreed!

I intend to be sick on at least ONE of my holidays tho ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually thought this was always the case ... never asked for it though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great, another one for those who like to pull sickies to extract as much out of their employers and the system as possible!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But then surely your employer wouldnt pay you, you would just get ssp, so it wouldnt be any real problem to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The company I used to work for always do this..if you have a sick note you get your holidays back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I actually thought this was always the case ... never asked for it though "

Me too, if Im on leave and i become ill then I'm able to reflect that by having those days down as sick leave and my holiday days reinstated ...I don't take the P out of it though n not aware of anyone else I work with doing it in fact its more likely to be other way around and we dont bother but the option is there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I actually thought this was always the case ... never asked for it though

Me too, if Im on leave and i become ill then I'm able to reflect that by having those days down as sick leave and my holiday days reinstated ...I don't take the P out of it though n not aware of anyone else I work with doing it in fact its more likely to be other way around and we dont bother but the option is there. "

Cheers for that, I thought it was the case...maybe not with all companies

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I don't see the problem as long as the employer has a robust absence proceedure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heard yesterday that from October if you are sick in your hols then you are entitled to compensation from your employer. Im not sure of the comp but surely it can only be extra hols or extra pay ....... more than likely extra hols..

I think this is fooking madness... if you are sick on your day off isn't it just tough ?

Why should your employer compensate you?

Can the harseholes who just say it's great cos it goes there way not bother.

Just those who can see the implications..... ta xx

Well ?"

Its very complicated and applies to employers who have a certain number of staff and its involved in what is an illness and what is a "sniffle" when you are on holiday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But then surely your employer wouldnt pay you, you would just get ssp, so it wouldnt be any real problem to them."

Many employers make ssp up to full pay, so with them it would. This has been around, with many companies, for a long time. Only seen it used, when sickness has been for a longer period, that has over-ran the holiday period.

For those that say people 'take the piss' enough with sick, I see very little of that. I see a lot more of people using holidays to cover sick, as they are in fear for their jobs.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

just got this from CAB

You are sick while on holiday

If you are off work on holiday, and you become ill enough that you could be off work, you can take this time as sick leave rather than holiday.

You can still take your holiday, but you can take it at a different time to when you originally planned to take it. You can carry the holiday you haven't taken over into the next leave year if you are not able to take it this leave year because you are ill.

However, if you want to treat your time of work as sick leave instead of holiday, your employer can pay you sick pay rather than holiday pay for that time. Sick pay will be less than normal pay.

Your employment contract should say how and when you should let your employer know you are sick, and what proof they might need.

If you are sick when you are meant to be on holiday you should seek the help of an experienced adviser, for example, at a Citizens Advice Bureau. To search for details of your nearest CAB, including those that can give advice by e-mail, click on nearest CAB.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I actually thought this was always the case ... never asked for it though

Me too, if Im on leave and i become ill then I'm able to reflect that by having those days down as sick leave and my holiday days reinstated ...I don't take the P out of it though n not aware of anyone else I work with doing it in fact its more likely to be other way around and we dont bother but the option is there.

Cheers for that, I thought it was the case...maybe not with all companies "

Not sure, I work in public sector.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

seems it IS already the done thing....

Well , well , well ........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But then surely your employer wouldnt pay you, you would just get ssp, so it wouldnt be any real problem to them.

Many employers make ssp up to full pay, so with them it would. This has been around, with many companies, for a long time. Only seen it used, when sickness has been for a longer period, that has over-ran the holiday period.

For those that say people 'take the piss' enough with sick, I see very little of that. I see a lot more of people using holidays to cover sick, as they are in fear for their jobs."

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"The company I used to work for always do this..if you have a sick note you get your holidays back"

that is the only way you are going to make this work.... my old company and my currant employers have done this.. and it actually doesn't affect people as much as you think....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off."

If you are entitled to 'X' amount of paid holidays then why should you lose that because you are ill?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do not agree to compensate in extra holidays.

Those who already take the piss at being sick before and after weekends and during school holidays would no doubt try and get more holidays by claiming sick while on holiday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do not agree to compensate in extra holidays.

Those who already take the piss at being sick before and after weekends and during school holidays would no doubt try and get more holidays by claiming sick while on holiday.

"

Well if you are going to take away one entitlement then why not take them all ....I find the attitude that every employee is on the make very insulting to be honest....I personally work extremely hard and my holiday time is for just that...a holiday, not to be lying ill and unable to get the benefit from it and I have certainly never abused this system , I would think that what you talk about is more likely to happen in organisations that have no regard for their workers health or well being therefore they get no respect back in a sense.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off.

If you are entitled to 'X' amount of paid holidays then why should you lose that because you are ill?"

To me.... if you are sick you are still on holiday.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

To me.... if you are sick you are still on holiday."

in my circumstance... that is when I was first taken into hospital when I had my gall bladder issues......

so what should of happened in my case? just curious?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off.

If you are entitled to 'X' amount of paid holidays then why should you lose that because you are ill?

To me.... if you are sick you are still on holiday."

Glad you dont employ me then lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The European Court of Justice has expanded on its insistence that all workers throughout the EU have a right to reclaim holiday time affected by illness.

The court ruling, made after an appeal by a Spanish trade union, is binding on all EU members, including Britain.

The Luxembourg-based court insisted that employers should honour workers’ rights to both time off sick and paid holidays.

“The purpose of entitlement to paid annual leave is to enable the worker to rest and enjoy a period of relaxation and leisure,” the court said. “The purpose of entitlement to sick leave is different, since it enables a worker to recover from an illness that has caused him to be unfit for work.”

It would be “arbitrary and contrary to the purpose of entitlement to paid annual leave” to deny workers holiday time in exchange for time spent sick."

Source: Daily Telegraph. 21st June 2012.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""The European Court of Justice has expanded on its insistence that all workers throughout the EU have a right to reclaim holiday time affected by illness.

The court ruling, made after an appeal by a Spanish trade union, is binding on all EU members, including Britain.

The Luxembourg-based court insisted that employers should honour workers’ rights to both time off sick and paid holidays.

“The purpose of entitlement to paid annual leave is to enable the worker to rest and enjoy a period of relaxation and leisure,” the court said. “The purpose of entitlement to sick leave is different, since it enables a worker to recover from an illness that has caused him to be unfit for work.”

It would be “arbitrary and contrary to the purpose of entitlement to paid annual leave” to deny workers holiday time in exchange for time spent sick."

Source: Daily Telegraph. 21st June 2012."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Heard yesterday that from October if you are sick in your hols then you are entitled to compensation from your employer. Im not sure of the comp but surely it can only be extra hols or extra pay ....... more than likely extra hols..

I think this is fooking madness... if you are sick on your day off isn't it just tough ?

Why should your employer compensate you?

Can the harseholes who just say it's great cos it goes there way not bother.

Just those who can see the implications..... ta xx

Well ?"

Can see instances where an individual would have to call in sick whilst on holiday, if that sickness or illness was of a communicable nature and the employer had up to date policies on this..

if that was the case then yes their holiday entitlement probably would be kept..

not sure many would go sick for a short period whilst on holiday, as by and large most folk dont take the piss which phoning in sick for a bout of dickie tummy in a far away place would be tbh..

some may do so, thats the dynamics of some workplaces as with society at large..

would disagree that they may be 'harseholes' if that was their viewpoint..

any debate or discussion in any arena deserves the voices of all..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Most decent employers do this now, and the legal change moves things in the right direct, in my opinion.

The fact that UK workers work some of the longest hours in Europe, much of the overtime unpaid, means that staff are likely to be pushing their health levels anyway, and thus more likely to become unwell. I'm all for a more sensible work/home life balance, as things have gone the wrong way.

Quite rightly the government have somewhat shelved their plans for no reason/blame dismissals, and the erosion of employment rights needs to be rebalanced, in favour of the hard working people of this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

Agreed!

I intend to be sick on at least ONE of my holidays tho ...... "

Granny you confuse me you disagree with it yet state you will take advantage of it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity! "

i agree with this x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

i agree with this x"

*sigh*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

i agree with this x"

Aren't the first 4 words of your post a contradiction?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

i agree with this x"

Always considered HR a non-job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

i agree with this x

Always considered HR a non-job."

Well I'm off on sick at moment and due to go on holiday in a cpl weeks and only just found out that because my sick lines are going beyond my holiday I will have tem reiinstated I never knew this bit then it's not the first time I've been sick and used holidays to cover my days off sick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

Agreed!

I intend to be sick on at least ONE of my holidays tho ......

Granny you confuse me you disagree with it yet state you will take advantage of it?"

Think their meaning they intend on getting so rat arswd they have a hangover lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An employee will be required to provide evidence of sickness whilst on holiday as calling in with a minor sniffle won't be accepted as a valid reason for being paid sick pay.

Employers have to realise that the cost of running a business incorporates employee rights too and if a business cannot meet those costs then it doesn't deserve to be in business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"An employee will be required to provide evidence of sickness whilst on holiday as calling in with a minor sniffle won't be accepted as a valid reason for being paid sick pay.

Employers have to realise that the cost of running a business incorporates employee rights too and if a business cannot meet those costs then it doesn't deserve to be in business."

Bloody hell! Who's hacked Wishy's account?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"An employee will be required to provide evidence of sickness whilst on holiday as calling in with a minor sniffle won't be accepted as a valid reason for being paid sick pay.

Employers have to realise that the cost of running a business incorporates employee rights too and if a business cannot meet those costs then it doesn't deserve to be in business.

Bloody hell! Who's hacked Wishy's account?"

Hey, I may be a Tory but I also believe that businesses should be run properly and not absorbing all the costs associated with being in business is not doing that. Unpaid overtime is a bug bear of mine as I work for Wishy Ltd first and foremost and forcing me to work unpaid hours earns money for the company and takes food out of my kid's mouths.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"An employee will be required to provide evidence of sickness whilst on holiday as calling in with a minor sniffle won't be accepted as a valid reason for being paid sick pay.

Employers have to realise that the cost of running a business incorporates employee rights too and if a business cannot meet those costs then it doesn't deserve to be in business.

Bloody hell! Who's hacked Wishy's account?"

lol

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

Agreed!

I intend to be sick on at least ONE of my holidays tho ......

Granny you confuse me you disagree with it yet state you will take advantage of it?"

I agree it's a nightmare for employers.

I agree there are those that take the piss already.

I agree there will be those that will abuse it.

I think it's alllllllll very wrong.

I will be using the legislation for some extra time off work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t personally agree with this, but if it becomes law, then so be it ….1.

However it would seems only right to share the financial burden between those who will benefit..

So I’d be all for it as long as employee’s are also prepared to pay extra mandatory insurance to help compensate their employers added cost should the employee suffer an accident or illness caused by certain activities they’ve chosen to engage in whilst on holiday……

After-all….. A lot of people succumb to simple food poisoning whilst on holiday because they’ve failed to take necessary precautions and there’s also a lot of people sustain injuries engaging in recreational pursuits they don’t normally engage in during the rest of the year……

So hey, what next,,,,,,,, will we get a Euro-charter whereby employers can no longer dock employee’s pay for being late for work when their bus to work is delayed………ffs……

I'm so glad to be retired ,,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

Agreed!

I intend to be sick on at least ONE of my holidays tho ......

Granny you confuse me you disagree with it yet state you will take advantage of it?

I agree it's a nightmare for employers.

I agree there are those that take the piss already.

I agree there will be those that will abuse it.

I think it's alllllllll very wrong.

I will be using the legislation for some extra time off work.

"

Which makes you the very type of person you are griping about???

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off.

If you are entitled to 'X' amount of paid holidays then why should you lose that because you are ill?"

That's one way of looking at it but on the other hand why should my employer lose because I'm sick? I can see both sides of this and maybe there should be a 50/50 split if you're sick you get half your holiday back

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

It could make it very hard for some already struggling small companies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off.

If you are entitled to 'X' amount of paid holidays then why should you lose that because you are ill?

That's one way of looking at it but on the other hand why should my employer lose because I'm sick? I can see both sides of this and maybe there should be a 50/50 split if you're sick you get half your holiday back "

I would refer you to Wishy's post ....but I give up and as mentioned, Im glad I dont work for some of you on here ....jesus lol

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity! "
Unlike HR people who never misrepresent workers rights or try to avoid the requirements of due process.

Seriously, to both you and the OP I'd say why be so provocative? Those of us who care about workers rights do not have less rights or less morals than you. For every employee who 'takes the piss' there are more who are genuinely ill and end up being harassed by uncaring employers.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


""The European Court of Justice has expanded on its insistence that all workers throughout the EU have a right to reclaim holiday time affected by illness.

The court ruling, made after an appeal by a Spanish trade union, is binding on all EU members, including Britain.

The Luxembourg-based court insisted that employers should honour workers’ rights to both time off sick and paid holidays.

“The purpose of entitlement to paid annual leave is to enable the worker to rest and enjoy a period of relaxation and leisure,” the court said. “The purpose of entitlement to sick leave is different, since it enables a worker to recover from an illness that has caused him to be unfit for work.”

It would be “arbitrary and contrary to the purpose of entitlement to paid annual leave” to deny workers holiday time in exchange for time spent sick."

Source: Daily Telegraph. 21st June 2012."

Good quote.

My own interpretation of this judgement is that if you're fit to travel on holiday you're not unfit for work, and I suspect that interpretation will come through in the English courts. That won's stop people posting the Daily Mail interpretation of the law of course...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

but if as almost everyone in the thread has said you are going to need some sort of doctors certificate to get the time back as "sick" I don't see an issue.....

unless you are going to say that doctors are now going to hand these out more willy nilly.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is already in place where I work.

Evidence in the form of a doctors note is required and credit is given as new holiday leave for the number of days off sick.

Im practice this rarely occurs.

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By *exki11enWoman
over a year ago

Bristol


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

i agree with this x

Always considered HR a non-job."

No need for that really, was there?

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By *exki11enWoman
over a year ago

Bristol


"For every employee who 'takes the piss' there are more who are genuinely ill and end up being harassed by uncaring employers."

I didn't say there weren't. Did I? I agree there are those that don't take the piss, but you can't deny there are those who DO and they don't need feeding any more opportunity.

Please try not to put words into peoples mouths in future.

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By *exki11enWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

For the record, I DO care about workers rights. I've spent the last 2 months working a redundancy situation - many of whom were people I recruited myself. The whole team spent months and months making sure we were doing the best we could under the circumstances for the workforce.

I had many a sleepless night in the last 2 weeks and also worked 12-14 hours a day whilst also travelling, to make sure each and every employee affected had a personal service from me where any query they had could be answered.

Don't tar all single men with same brush? Don't tar all occupations with the same brush!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off."

I too have been off sick for six months and got my leave back. I also had phased return for three months, working part time with full pay.

If you were sick enough to warrant being off for six months I don't understand your mentality towards your employer for not penalising you for being sick!

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

i agree with this x

Always considered HR a non-job.

No need for that really, was there? "

I wish my HR done a proper job...i don't get paid for overtime, but I am expected to work it for the sake of the company. i have been off work on holiday and had 3 calls and 2 text messages....to call the office.

I have never taken the piss for being sick...and in the last 2.5 years had 3 days of sick on all 3 i was vomitining so could not go in to the office.

I have been sick when on hols when abroad but got on with and said this was due to excess food or booze.

I will be honest i think it is a good thing that this is happening..but tbh i thought it was law anyway

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off.

I too have been off sick for six months and got my leave back. I also had phased return for three months, working part time with full pay.

If you were sick enough to warrant being off for six months I don't understand your mentality towards your employer for not penalising you for being sick! "

Hi Miss Tress

I'm sorry you don't understand my mentality, it's just my opinion. I didn't expect to have two weeks paid holiday returned to me, I felt that I'd had six months on full pay and two months phased return on full pay so that having my holiday returned to me as well was extra expense at a time when colleagues were being laid off who really needed a job.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off.

If you are entitled to 'X' amount of paid holidays then why should you lose that because you are ill?

To me.... if you are sick you are still on holiday."

I was in hospital for three weeks. When I came out I'd lost 80% of my sight and had a host of autoimmune ailments...hardly a holiday!

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

Fuck 'em

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By *exki11enWoman
over a year ago

Bristol


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

i agree with this x

Always considered HR a non-job.

No need for that really, was there?

I wish my HR done a proper job...i don't get paid for overtime, but I am expected to work it for the sake of the company. i have been off work on holiday and had 3 calls and 2 text messages....to call the office."

Sorry Mike, but that's not your HR dept that's causing the issue. HR created your contract - your line manager is the one deviating from it, making you feel like you should work the extra hours and calling you at home (i'm assuming as HR would have no reason to)

It's all too easy to blame HR for something without thinking about whose fault it really is.

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

My issues with HR in my organisation is that they don't care about employee....

I agree that there are a number of HR people that do a fab job, but in my organisation i would not trust them with a bargepole.

It doesn't help that managers appear to believe that they can bi-pass hr regulations for the sake of the business. Under my contract i can have 26 weeks sick a year on full pay....but i know full well if i took that amount in 1 or 2 days a year i would have a sickness meeting to dicuss.

Tbh i would say managers in my place take the piss normally working from home when they have an "appointment"...then take half days here and there....i work at least 5-10 hrs a week extra and what do i get...a big fat fuck all!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do not agree to compensate in extra holidays.

Those who already take the piss at being sick before and after weekends and during school holidays would no doubt try and get more holidays by claiming sick while on holiday.

Well if you are going to take away one entitlement then why not take them all ....I find the attitude that every employee is on the make very insulting to be honest....I personally work extremely hard and my holiday time is for just that...a holiday, not to be lying ill and unable to get the benefit from it and I have certainly never abused this system , I would think that what you talk about is more likely to happen in organisations that have no regard for their workers health or well being therefore they get no respect back in a sense. "

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Where on earth did I say it applies to everyone???!!!

Whatever the job, in whichever organisation, you'll have good eggs as well as bad ones.

The bad ones will try and bend every rules they can, and to squeeze as much out of the system as they can.

I have known peeps to play the Bradford Factor system, and to consider SSP as extra holiday entitlement.

I am glad such people exist, as they make the good ones that hardly ever take a day off work look good!

If one has nothing to hide, one has nothing to fear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if someone has been off with a genuine sickness for say a month, covered by a doctors note, and had booked annual leave a good while before, when they were fit, then they are given the annual leave back.

You can't be signed off for a length of time, have holiday in the middle of it, then go back to sick. I don't work in Human Resources so I don't know the correct procedures, but it would bugger up the ssp ie, ssp paid for 2 weeks, company paying annual leave for 2 days, ssp covering the remainder, you can't have a break in payments for ssp if you have been signed off by a doctor for a set length of time.

Of course the ones that have the odd day off, booked it as annual leave, then say they are ill are the ones to eatch, but those kind of issues are flagged up in the sickness policy most employers have in place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For the record, I DO care about workers rights. I've spent the last 2 months working a redundancy situation - many of whom were people I recruited myself. The whole team spent months and months making sure we were doing the best we could under the circumstances for the workforce.

I had many a sleepless night in the last 2 weeks and also worked 12-14 hours a day whilst also travelling, to make sure each and every employee affected had a personal service from me where any query they had could be answered.

Don't tar all single men with same brush? Don't tar all occupations with the same brush!"

And dont tar all employees the same, now I know you'll come back with 'im not' but really, to be fair, you all are.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is ok to tar all employers as being evil uncaring so and so then obviously!

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

Exactly. Well said. Too many shitlickers and dick licks in society. Do a fair days work and no more, those that suck up are no better thought of and are used and abused in a lot of cases.

Do your work, clock off and leave the shit behind.

Too many people want more status for an additional bedroom, a better postcode. Keeping up with the Jones. To want better for your children and family is understandible. POwer and greed isn't.

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow


"I work in HR and it's going to be a nightmare. There are those who already take the piss enough, without giving them more opportunity!

i agree with this x

Always considered HR a non-job.

No need for that really, was there?

I wish my HR done a proper job...i don't get paid for overtime, but I am expected to work it for the sake of the company. i have been off work on holiday and had 3 calls and 2 text messages....to call the office.

Sorry Mike, but that's not your HR dept that's causing the issue. HR created your contract - your line manager is the one deviating from it, making you feel like you should work the extra hours and calling you at home (i'm assuming as HR would have no reason to)

It's all too easy to blame HR for something without thinking about whose fault it really is.

"

see your point of view...my experience has been that there seams to be a lack of interaction especially in large organisations on an operation level. I have spoken to my HR team once in 5 years.

I am not saying that this is the same across every company, and from what I know this is the case...but from my experience in the organisation i work for it is.

i would say hr in my organisation should be hands on with people mangers and we have raised this and the changes are starting.....

whilst i agree with new legislation, i hope that it is not going to be used to take the piss as well

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

this is why I don't get why some are so against this issue...

for example... as I said, and granny never answered me... the 1st time I landed in hospital with gallstones/gall bladder issues it just happened to be when i was on holidays....

5 days in hospital... in the middle of 10 days off... I was sick

if I had been working.... I would still have been in hospital for 5 days.... and this sick

so I was sick for 5 days.. doctor gave me a 7 days sick note.....

should it make any difference if I was working or on holiday.... it would still have happened thru no fault of mine...

lucky for me my employer didn't think so... my boss came in to see me, made sure I was fine..

so I got my holiday time back......

if you are sick.. you are sick... and if you back it up with like we keep on saying "a doctors certificate"... then why should it be treated differently...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is ok to tar all employers as being evil uncaring so and so then obviously! "

I didnt say that?

In fact don't think I have said anything against employers??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do not have any issues with those who are genuinely unwell or have an accident while they are on holiday.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off.

I too have been off sick for six months and got my leave back. I also had phased return for three months, working part time with full pay.

If you were sick enough to warrant being off for six months I don't understand your mentality towards your employer for not penalising you for being sick!

Hi Miss Tress

I'm sorry you don't understand my mentality, it's just my opinion. I didn't expect to have two weeks paid holiday returned to me, I felt that I'd had six months on full pay and two months phased return on full pay so that having my holiday returned to me as well was extra expense at a time when colleagues were being laid off who really needed a job. "

Actually I do understand your mentality. I work for a trade union and some colleagues were moaning because we got a pay rise and thought we shouldn't have because our members were losing their jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know someone who was off work with depression, signed off for 2 nonths. She was clearly unable to work, found it difficult to get up, was on medication, couldn't sleep, feelings of worthlessness, etc etc.

Whilst she was off sick her family booked her a week abroad, knowing full well it would give her something to focus on, to prepare for, to get her up, dressed and out of the house, ie helping in her recovery to deal with the outside world.

She was still off sick because she was not able to come to work and make level headed decisions ans judgements, it woulkd have been unsafe to have her there. Yet she went on holiday and spent a week on the beach.

I see this as recovery time and feel she was entitled to sick leave and not have to book annual leave.

There are lots of genuine sicknesses and people should not be penalised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Actually I do understand your mentality. I work for a trade union and some colleagues were moaning because we got a pay rise and thought we shouldn't have because our members were losing their jobs.

"

This wouldn't work, as the company would win-win. The pay-rise would be forfeited, and the redundancies would occur a short time later. We made this offer to our company, plus a small reduction in salary, on the proviso there would be no redundancies for 12 months. The company said they were prepared to accept our offer, without the proviso. You don't need to be Mystic Meg to see what would have happened.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"My issues with HR in my organisation is that they don't care about employee....

I agree that there are a number of HR people that do a fab job, but in my organisation i would not trust them with a bargepole.

It doesn't help that managers appear to believe that they can bi-pass hr regulations for the sake of the business. Under my contract i can have 26 weeks sick a year on full pay....but i know full well if i took that amount in 1 or 2 days a year i would have a sickness meeting to dicuss.

Tbh i would say managers in my place take the piss normally working from home when they have an "appointment"...then take half days here and there....i work at least 5-10 hrs a week extra and what do i get...a big fat fuck all!!!"

Surely you meant 26 days sick a year and not 26 weeks?.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"the company where I work already do this and have done for years.

I had six months off a couple of years ago with serious ill health and they gave me two weeks holiday back. I was flabbergasted, the country's in a bad enough state without dishing out extra paid holiday to people who've just had six months off.

I too have been off sick for six months and got my leave back. I also had phased return for three months, working part time with full pay.

If you were sick enough to warrant being off for six months I don't understand your mentality towards your employer for not penalising you for being sick!

Hi Miss Tress

I'm sorry you don't understand my mentality, it's just my opinion. I didn't expect to have two weeks paid holiday returned to me, I felt that I'd had six months on full pay and two months phased return on full pay so that having my holiday returned to me as well was extra expense at a time when colleagues were being laid off who really needed a job.

Actually I do understand your mentality. I work for a trade union and some colleagues were moaning because we got a pay rise and thought we shouldn't have because our members were losing their jobs.

"

Well that's good then!

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By *exywheelsCouple
over a year ago

inverness


"The company I used to work for always do this..if you have a sick note you get your holidays back"

Same with a company I used to work for, only found out by chance through when I had to put the hours for someone who was on holiday and had a burst appendix, rang head office for advice and the answer was tell her to get a sick line and she will get the holidays back and just to put in as sick

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"For every employee who 'takes the piss' there are more who are genuinely ill and end up being harassed by uncaring employers.

I didn't say there weren't. Did I? I agree there are those that don't take the piss, but you can't deny there are those who DO and they don't need feeding any more opportunity.

Please try not to put words into peoples mouths in future. "
Touchy aren't we?

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By *exywheelsCouple
over a year ago

inverness


"My issues with HR in my organisation is that they don't care about employee....

I agree that there are a number of HR people that do a fab job, but in my organisation i would not trust them with a bargepole.

It doesn't help that managers appear to believe that they can bi-pass hr regulations for the sake of the business. Under my contract i can have 26 weeks sick a year on full pay....but i know full well if i took that amount in 1 or 2 days a year i would have a sickness meeting to dicuss.

Tbh i would say managers in my place take the piss normally working from home when they have an "appointment"...then take half days here and there....i work at least 5-10 hrs a week extra and what do i get...a big fat fuck all!!!

Surely you meant 26 days sick a year and not 26 weeks?. "

My contact was 26 weeks at full pay then 26 weeks at half pay in any one year. ( longest time off in 13 years

Was 7 days of which 3 were in hospital) now its just 6 months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh yes I can see this being fun. Folks will have their 2 weeks in the summer then claim they were sick for 10 days.

Wonderful ! as if the country isn't in a bad enough state as it is

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By *exki11enWoman
over a year ago

Bristol


"For every employee who 'takes the piss' there are more who are genuinely ill and end up being harassed by uncaring employers.

I didn't say there weren't. Did I? I agree there are those that don't take the piss, but you can't deny there are those who DO and they don't need feeding any more opportunity.

Please try not to put words into peoples mouths in future. Touchy aren't we?"

Funny that eh! Why would I be touchy, having just worked over 100 hours in the last 2 weeks to be told I don't care about employees or even work a real job?

Can't fathom it myself......

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