FabSwingers.com forum: Choosing To Die

By *aul1973Hull OP Man
over a year ago

East Hull

Assisted Suicide, for people who suffer from terminal illness and/or severe physical and/or mental illnesses. Where a persons quality of life is severely impared, unable to physically care for themselves, feed themselves, clean themselves, having to rely on carers for their everyday basic needs at the expense of their dignity.

Sir Terry Pratchett (Author) who suffered from Alzheimer's did a BBC2 documentry in 2011 on assisted suicide, talking to several people with terminal illness, their families & staff at Dignitas in Switzerland. It does follow the process of a gentleman to the end, which is quite emotional.. you have been warned. The 1 hour documentry can be seen here... https://youtu.be/LviHXDp8SHk

Dignitas, who provide this service, and advisory work on palliative care, health care advance directive and suicide attempt prevention. Info here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignitas_(Swiss_non-profit_organisation)

This is an emotional subject, and I apologise if anybody is upset by it

I'm curious to know people's opinions...

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By *otSoPoshWoman
over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon

I'm all for it. There are some issues but I'm definitely fully in support.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

I support euthanasia in principle but I recognise how incredibly complicated of an issue it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I also believe in an individual’s right to choose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am in favour of it, although I don’t think it’s a black and white subject

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Yes, very emotive subject, Paul, I agree with it in principle x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It has its time and place, but for those that choose to end their personal suffering at a time of their choice rather than enduring months maybe years of suffering then I’m all for it.

Strange how you wouldn’t let loved family pet suffer in pain, as you’d have them euthanised.

Yet the thought of someone making a rational decision to end their own suffering is completely different.

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By *icearmsMan
over a year ago

KIDLINGTON

I support peoples rights to euthanasia.

I would want to pass away if I knew I had an illness that could not be cured and severely restricted my life and those around me that had to care for me.

I think there are loads of complications such as who signs it off that you are terminal etc and what happens if i got to that stage and I could not communicate my wish to not be given injection etc.

But I know I would not want to be burden to those around me and would want to find peace.

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

Im in favour of it completely and have made provisions with my family that should it come to that time when my life deteriorates and my quality of life is so low I would hate it that I want an assisted suicide.

I have no children, dependants or anyone else to consider and the last thing i would want is to feel a burden on anyone else..

I want to say goodbye when I choose to as should be my right

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

I’m for it with the right processes in place, my concern is for those who end their lives, as they believe they’re worthless now and just a pain for others to look after.

However I’d never want someone to live in constant pain and suffering and not be given a chance to end it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can only speak for myself, but if I had an accident or something that left me severely brain damaged and I couldn't have a quality of life anymore then I wouldn't want to live anymore. To be I'd just be existing. But at the same time, I'm talking about the kind of mental capacity where I would be unable to make that choice for myself at that time.

Paralysed but still with my full brain capacity? I don't know.

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

Completely support.

There are grey areas of course when it comes to mental health.... maybe the next meds/treatment will be the key kinda thing, however, if someone has suffered for years, and I mean really suffered, I believe they should be able to choose.

They should be given the chance to be free from the shackles with dignity.

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By *icearmsMan
over a year ago

KIDLINGTON

"It has its time and place, but for those that choose to end their personal suffering at a time of their choice rather than enduring months maybe years of suffering then I’m all for it.

Strange how you wouldn’t let loved family pet suffer in pain, as you’d have them euthanised.

Yet the thought of someone making a rational decision to end their own suffering is completely different. "

There needs to be something where by we can record our wishes in sound mind.. like a will and it has to be witnessed by a medical and legal professional. Times are changing and I don't think it'll be too long until it becomes common

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Australian journalist Andrew Denton did an incredible podcast series on this in 2016, called "Better off Dead". Well worth a listen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having watched somebody die, in agony, who could have had this, I fully support it.

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By *assy69Man
over a year ago

West Sussex and Wales

"Assisted Suicide, for people who suffer from terminal illness and/or severe physical and/or mental illnesses. Where a persons quality of life is severely impared, unable to physically care for themselves, feed themselves, clean themselves, having to rely on carers for their everyday basic needs at the expense of their dignity.

This is an emotional subject, and I apologise if anybody is upset by it

I'm curious to know people's opinions..."

This is an emotive subject and there are many views both for and against.

For me, The 72nd session of the UN committee on human rights looked at this issue in relation to about a half dozen countries and their report, though dated now, made interesting reading.

I am all for euthanasia in principal but there is still a lot of work to do to ensure that it is a fair, non abusive, non political and non discriminatory system.

And now I am going back to sit in my cupboard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having watched somebody die, in agony, who could have had this, I fully support it."

Yes I've witnesses pain like this - it's heartbreaking.

I fully support euthanasia and wish it was a choice everyone could make.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

Very emotive subject and I’d like to think that I personally could have that option if I ever became so ill that my life really wasn’t worth living no more.

I understand though the legal complications that surround the topic.

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

I support this, we make the choice daily to stop the suffering for our animals, I see myself as no different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On paper, I am for euthanasia, speaking from experience working in health and social care, and palliative care. But there is so much potential for abuse.

There's already end of life pathways (Liverpool care pathway), but that's right at end of life after, in some cases, lots of suffering, and I've worked with service users who have wished not to become relying on others to care for them, and that's quite heart wrenching. Then there's the whole side of when a person loses mental capacity.

It's a very thought provoking subject though.

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Agree, with sufficient safeguards against murderers.

We are quite close to it in this country. Hospitals have “Do not resuscitate” policies, and my 90-year-old mother was allowed to starve herself to death in her hospital bed.

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By *BootyfulDayWoman
over a year ago

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Agree with it. Actually last call I had with my mum we were talking about old age illnesses and she joked if she ever got really bad she'd buy a plane ticket to Switzerland.

Not sure how they could put it in place so it's not abused but I would want the option

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I think most people think it’s right that you have the choice, but the problem with legalising it is all around the advice given and perceived pressure from those close to you when you are so ill and in a state of mind where you might make bad decisions. It happens already with so much suicide and suicidak thoughts, legalising it could cause large numbers of people to end there life rather than get help

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just watched the documentary by Terry Pratchett and I can't stop sobbing.

It was heartbreaking. My nana has dementia and it really hit home for me

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Something I totally agree with and would welcome the choice, but so much work needs to go in to getting the safe guards right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Swiss always get it right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100% agree ... we should all have the choice ..so many poor souls suffering .. but then a murderer with a death penalty imo get an easy option .. no one else should have control over it .. my 2p worth ..!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For severe physical ailments I could agree with but absolutely not for any mental illness.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

I watched the Terry Pratchett's documentary when it first was shown on TV some years ago ,it was a very thought provoking watch and helped me to better understand the work of digitas and I am fully in favour of carefully explored assisted suicide , my heart went out to Mrs smedley coping with her husband's choices and supporting him to the end , I do hope the legal authorities in the UK left her be to digest her grief

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By *aul1973Hull OP Man
over a year ago

East Hull

"I just watched the documentary by Terry Pratchett and I can't stop sobbing.

It was heartbreaking. My nana has dementia and it really hit home for me

I'm sorry you got so upset

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i remember my grandad telling me when i was a boy about his chickens.

when they stop laying eggs he said i kill them.

i think going forward we should apply this to women of a certain age.

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By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"i remember my grandad telling me when i was a boy about his chickens.

when they stop laying eggs he said i kill them.

i think going forward we should apply this to women of a certain age.

I’m doomed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i remember my grandad telling me when i was a boy about his chickens.

when they stop laying eggs he said i kill them.

i think going forward we should apply this to women of a certain age.

Solve the food shortage problem. Soylent Green

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i remember my grandad telling me when i was a boy about his chickens.

when they stop laying eggs he said i kill them.

i think going forward we should apply this to women of a certain age.

I’m doomed

Before they cart you off - FAF?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

Have to say my 14 year old Labrador got a more dignified peaceful loving end to her life than my 98 year old nan. I’m in total support but appreciate it’s not as easy as that.

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By *aul1973Hull OP Man
over a year ago

East Hull

"Have to say my 14 year old Labrador got a more dignified peaceful loving end to her life than my 98 year old nan. I’m in total support but appreciate it’s not as easy as that. "

People do seem to have more compassion for animals, when they are suffering they get taken to a vets to be put down humanely, but when a human being is suffering or unable to care for themselves they get left to suffer or put in a care facility until their final day, no dignity & far from humane.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To keep an animal in a state of pain and suffering is classed as neglect, a crime in fact. And ending that pain and suffering is a kindness. But if it’s a human being suffering, those very choices are reversed. Ending their suffering is a crime, even if it’s their own choice. Where is the sense in that?

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By *nnie2009Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

"It has its time and place, but for those that choose to end their personal suffering at a time of their choice rather than enduring months maybe years of suffering then I’m all for it.

Strange how you wouldn’t let loved family pet suffer in pain, as you’d have them euthanised.

Yet the thought of someone making a rational decision to end their own suffering is completely different. "
well said

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

I watched my partner suffer. He had a brain tumour which was terminal but had been told he had years left.

Surgery had left him totally reliant on me to get him out of the house. He stuggled to get to the toilet alone. Couldn't cook his own food or walk far without help. Needed help to wash etc.

He couldn't face years like that so he made the choice to stop taking the insulun for his diabetes. It took months and he eventually became so weak that he got an infection he couldn't fight.

It was uncomfortable and painful for him. If there had been a quick and legal way he would have taken it.

We should be able to choose to end our own lives if what we have is unbearable for us and there is no chance of improvement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not often I’m on the fence but with this I am. I honestly don’t know.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

"I watched my partner suffer. He had a brain tumour which was terminal but had been told he had years left.

Surgery had left him totally reliant on me to get him out of the house. He stuggled to get to the toilet alone. Couldn't cook his own food or walk far without help. Needed help to wash etc.

He couldn't face years like that so he made the choice to stop taking the insulun for his diabetes. It took months and he eventually became so weak that he got an infection he couldn't fight.

It was uncomfortable and painful for him. If there had been a quick and legal way he would have taken it.

We should be able to choose to end our own lives if what we have is unbearable for us and there is no chance of improvement. "
this is so sad , we wouldn't let our pet animals suffer like this so why do people have to ? I strongly believe that we all should have the right to a dignified end of life where science fails or a wariness causes so much pain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a person is physically able to end their life no one can stop them and there is nothing anyone can do once a persons mind is made up. So I do believe if a person is physically unable to carry out their wish they should have this option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am in favour but my daughter struggles with the thought of it when it comes to us discussing it. I am hoping the law changes and I can make provision to let the decision be mine, if it ever comes to that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It should be available for anyone who wants it, whatever their reason. Their life, their right to choose when to end it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my opinion there is no greater freedom than the freedom of personal body autonomy, and so the right to choose to end your life is one of the most basic human rights.

If I were going to die in a slow and painful way, or I was going to deteriorate to the point that that wouldn’t know myself I would seriously consider assisted suicide.

Of course there is huge potential for abuse if it were legalised, but in an ideal world I’m all for euthanasia.

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

In an ideal World, yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I watched my partner suffer. He had a brain tumour which was terminal but had been told he had years left.

Surgery had left him totally reliant on me to get him out of the house. He stuggled to get to the toilet alone. Couldn't cook his own food or walk far without help. Needed help to wash etc.

He couldn't face years like that so he made the choice to stop taking the insulun for his diabetes. It took months and he eventually became so weak that he got an infection he couldn't fight.

It was uncomfortable and painful for him. If there had been a quick and legal way he would have taken it.

We should be able to choose to end our own lives if what we have is unbearable for us and there is no chance of improvement. "

I’m so sorry you had to go through this

. Thank you for having the strength to share something so personal. X

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By *U1966Man
over a year ago

Devon

All for it long overdue we don't let animal's suffer

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