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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. " I feel £10.00 an hour is a good minimum that should cover all bills and mortgage/rental fees this applies to the benefit system too | |||
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"I don’t agree with an apprenticeship wage, I think it needs to be looked at in a different way, If an apprentice contributes to the business then there pay should reflect the amount they contribute Eg: say if you are allowed/can handle 3children instead of maybe 5 for someone who is Fully qualified how much does the business benefit from those extra children and the pay should be reflected from that. " As a trainee, I shouldn’t have been in ratio at all. In the baby room it was 1 adult to 3 children. So, because you needed more staff for the baby room, you payed a little bit more. Except...my baby room consisted of one senior member of staff, and three trainees. THREE. And the government paid us...not the nursery. So....parents were effectively getting scammed | |||
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"Personally I think minimum wage should enable someone working full time to reasonably house, clothe and feed themselves and two children. It should be illegal to pay anyone less than that. " This  | |||
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"I did security work when I was at uni in the mid 90's, the boss did me a favour and moved me from the £2.09 per hour casual rate to the £2.19 full time rate. No way you could survive on that now and I'd be surprised if anyone could then either" I ended with £500 a month, most months I did overtime, so I worked 8-6 four days and then overtime (usually another 8-6) on my day off, which was supposed to be for coursework. Plus all my training HAD to be on the weekend, and they wanted me to travel an hour to go to a ‘learning night’ once a week after work? Fuck no | |||
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"I’ve hoped you’ve moved on from this nursery as profit over safety/legal requirements should never come first in any employment "I did, I had a miscarriage on my wedding day, needed surgery and my manager (who is a cunt) wanted me to work the day after surgery. Told all the parents I was in therapy and I had miscarried, slagged me off to staff etc etc | |||
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"Personally I think minimum wage should enable someone working full time to reasonably house, clothe and feed themselves and two children. It should be illegal to pay anyone less than that. " People who will set the minimum wage and people on the minimum wage will have different opinions on reasonably, I’d like to see people in higher power be made to live off minimum wage and I’m sure they’ll say it’s not enough yet are happy to set the scale for others | |||
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"The only issue I can see with paying say £10 minimum wage is everyday things will go up in price like Food, Asda wont pay staff that money unless they pass it on to customers and anyone working in a trades like builders, plumbers etc will also charge more or want more on a hourly rate" And pay will increase inline with inflation  | |||
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 £10 went for board to my mum. £10 for the bus. I used to work every weekend and any holidays at a clothes shop on £4 a hour to try and give me some spare cash.
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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. " Your were in training for a career, we’re going to college (not paid for by you?) and you were complying that you were being paid to do it? You could have chosen a different route. Study at A level for two extra years at school. (£0 per hour) then go to university for a degree (£0 per hour as well as the £9250 per year you have to pay for the privilege). Sounds to me that your training for your chosen career was quite Cost effective? | |||
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I cannot believe how he Industries like childcare Health Healthcare are so undervalued..
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"The only issue I can see with paying say £10 minimum wage is everyday things will go up in price like Food, Asda wont pay staff that money unless they pass it on to customers and anyone working in a trades like builders, plumbers etc will also charge more or want more on a hourly rate" I don't think there are many qualified trades people on minimum wage! How do you define a minimum wage? To me, somebody should be able to support themselves on the minimum wage by working 40 hours a week. If you live in London, that's going to be a struggle unless its very high... I think we should be considering the living wage rather than minimum wage. In some cases costs will rise, but in many cases it's just a manageable reduction in profits. | |||
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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. Your were in training for a career, we’re going to college (not paid for by you?) and you were complying that you were being paid to do it? You could have chosen a different route. Study at A level for two extra years at school. (£0 per hour) then go to university for a degree (£0 per hour as well as the £9250 per year you have to pay for the privilege). Sounds to me that your training for your chosen career was quite Cost effective?" The whole premise of apprenticeships is based on people being trained on the job. So you should work some of the time, be training some of the time. Unfortunately it can be abused by employers who use apprentices as very low paid workers and either don't fulfil the training element or make people do it on their own time. You could argue it's more cost effective than being a full-time student. But I think anyone being taken advantage of by an unscrupulous employer has a right to complain. And to answer the OP, I think it must be enough to feed, clothe and house a family. How much is that? I honestly don't know. It will vary in different parts of the country, obviously. With the rise of the gig economy and zero hours contracts it is often a moot point anyway. Mrs TMN x | |||
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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. Your were in training for a career, we’re going to college (not paid for by you?) and you were complying that you were being paid to do it? You could have chosen a different route. Study at A level for two extra years at school. (£0 per hour) then go to university for a degree (£0 per hour as well as the £9250 per year you have to pay for the privilege). Sounds to me that your training for your chosen career was quite Cost effective?" Well I’ve read some bullshit on here over the years, but this is definitely up there with the best of it. | |||
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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. Your were in training for a career, we’re going to college (not paid for by you?) and you were complying that you were being paid to do it? You could have chosen a different route. Study at A level for two extra years at school. (£0 per hour) then go to university for a degree (£0 per hour as well as the £9250 per year you have to pay for the privilege). Sounds to me that your training for your chosen career was quite Cost effective?" I see you get the point  | |||
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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. Your were in training for a career, we’re going to college (not paid for by you?) and you were complying that you were being paid to do it? You could have chosen a different route. Study at A level for two extra years at school. (£0 per hour) then go to university for a degree (£0 per hour as well as the £9250 per year you have to pay for the privilege). Sounds to me that your training for your chosen career was quite Cost effective? Well I’ve read some bullshit on here over the years, but this is definitely up there with the best of it. " | |||
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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. Your were in training for a career, we’re going to college (not paid for by you?) and you were complying that you were being paid to do it? You could have chosen a different route. Study at A level for two extra years at school. (£0 per hour) then go to university for a degree (£0 per hour as well as the £9250 per year you have to pay for the privilege). Sounds to me that your training for your chosen career was quite Cost effective? The whole premise of apprenticeships is based on people being trained on the job. So you should work some of the time, be training some of the time. Unfortunately it can be abused by employers who use apprentices as very low paid workers and either don't fulfil the training element or make people do it on their own time. You could argue it's more cost effective than being a full-time student. But I think anyone being taken advantage of by an unscrupulous employer has a right to complain. And to answer the OP, I think it must be enough to feed, clothe and house a family. How much is that? I honestly don't know. It will vary in different parts of the country, obviously. With the rise of the gig economy and zero hours contracts it is often a moot point anyway. Mrs TMN x"
It was being taken advantage of, which is my point. And I’ve given plenty of examples throughout this thread. But yes. I was actually moaning because I was getting paid.  | |||
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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. Your were in training for a career, we’re going to college (not paid for by you?) and you were complying that you were being paid to do it? You could have chosen a different route. Study at A level for two extra years at school. (£0 per hour) then go to university for a degree (£0 per hour as well as the £9250 per year you have to pay for the privilege). Sounds to me that your training for your chosen career was quite Cost effective? The whole premise of apprenticeships is based on people being trained on the job. So you should work some of the time, be training some of the time. Unfortunately it can be abused by employers who use apprentices as very low paid workers and either don't fulfil the training element or make people do it on their own time. You could argue it's more cost effective than being a full-time student. But I think anyone being taken advantage of by an unscrupulous employer has a right to complain. And to answer the OP, I think it must be enough to feed, clothe and house a family. How much is that? I honestly don't know. It will vary in different parts of the country, obviously. With the rise of the gig economy and zero hours contracts it is often a moot point anyway. Mrs TMN x
It was being taken advantage of, which is my point. And I’ve given plenty of examples throughout this thread. But yes. I was actually moaning because I was getting paid. "Yep. That was definitely the point you were making. Clear as day!  | |||
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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. Your were in training for a career, we’re going to college (not paid for by you?) and you were complying that you were being paid to do it? You could have chosen a different route. Study at A level for two extra years at school. (£0 per hour) then go to university for a degree (£0 per hour as well as the £9250 per year you have to pay for the privilege). Sounds to me that your training for your chosen career was quite Cost effective? Well I’ve read some bullshit on here over the years, but this is definitely up there with the best of it. " Thanks for your response. Have a nice day. | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. " If child care was to cost more than the wages that the mother would earn in her chosen career, it would be pointless her going to work. | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. " Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. If child care was to cost more than the wages that the mother would earn in her chosen career, it would be pointless her going to work." I was suggesting the business owners pay more, not charge more | |||
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"What do you think minimum wage should realistically be? And why? And apprenticeships...I worked 40+ hours a week in a nursery, plus did my coursework, training etc outside of work hours (unpaid) and I got a grand total of....£3.03 an hour (it went up to £3.11 by the time I qualified!). It was ridiculous, my nursery was complete bullshit and I was doing more work than qualified members of staff, I had the same amount of key worker children as senior members of staff, I counted in ratio etc...the only difference was I couldn’t legally be left on my own in the room with children. And for £3.03 and no thanks? Fuck knows how I coped. Your were in training for a career, we’re going to college (not paid for by you?) and you were complying that you were being paid to do it? You could have chosen a different route. Study at A level for two extra years at school. (£0 per hour) then go to university for a degree (£0 per hour as well as the £9250 per year you have to pay for the privilege). Sounds to me that your training for your chosen career was quite Cost effective? Well I’ve read some bullshit on here over the years, but this is definitely up there with the best of it. "Has your career improved now that you have finished all your training and got your relevant qualifications? | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. If child care was to cost more than the wages that the mother would earn in her chosen career, it would be pointless her going to work. I was suggesting the business owners pay more, not charge more "So who exactly will be paying for the child care? | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? " There's always alternatives | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. If child care was to cost more than the wages that the mother would earn in her chosen career, it would be pointless her going to work. I was suggesting the business owners pay more, not charge more
So who exactly will be paying for the child care?"The parents - oviously! | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives" That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. If child care was to cost more than the wages that the mother would earn in her chosen career, it would be pointless her going to work. I was suggesting the business owners pay more, not charge more
So who exactly will be paying for the child care?
The parents - oviously!"So they’ll end up paying as much as they earn on child care. | |||
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"My sons doing an engineering degree apprenticeship at uni. They pay all the tuition, and he gets £7.50 an hour pay. He's 19, but he doesn't have to worry about leaving uni in debt. "That is definitely an advantage to degree apprenticeships. My niece and nephew are both hoping to do this. | |||
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"I feel like people can’t read" I agree. But it is (on the whole) a good discussion. | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. " Not everyone will agree, doesn't change the fact though. | |||
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"I feel like people can’t read I agree. But it is (on the whole) a good discussion. " | |||
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"Minimum wage increases effect the wages of all the staff as those on the lowest wages need to be improved to prevent them leaving for any other job. This then brings them closer to the wages of the next level up who need a clear gap to show how their extra level of skill/knowledge is being financially rewarded. This then occurs all the way up the organisation. The profits are hit and then the prices rise. The cost of living rises and therefore the national minimum wage must rise to meet it again. It's a vicious cycle." In the trenches maybe but wants beyond that salaries far outstrip minimum pay.. | |||
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"The only issue I can see with paying say £10 minimum wage is everyday things will go up in price like Food, Asda wont pay staff that money unless they pass it on to customers and anyone working in a trades like builders, plumbers etc will also charge more or want more on a hourly rate I don't think there are many qualified trades people on minimum wage! How do you define a minimum wage? To me, somebody should be able to support themselves on the minimum wage by working 40 hours a week. If you live in London, that's going to be a struggle unless its very high... I think we should be considering the living wage rather than minimum wage. In some cases costs will rise, but in many cases it's just a manageable reduction in profits." You do know a manager is on around 100k to take bonus into account also free healthcare free dental other bonuses like it enhanced pensions and savings plans share options.. then they will have to a senior managers which also will have management it's not a young lad put yoghurt out making things expensive.. | |||
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"My sons doing an engineering degree apprenticeship at uni. They pay all the tuition, and he gets £7.50 an hour pay. He's 19, but he doesn't have to worry about leaving uni in debt.
That is definitely an advantage to degree apprenticeships.
My niece and nephew are both hoping to do this. "There are some great ones, Times list the best degree and higher level apprenticeships available, if I was 18 I’d definitely be looking. Our daughter looked at an trainee lawyer with M&S 28k starting salary at 18, 6 year course , all degree and professional fees paid... complete and a practicing lawyer with no debts ... Wow! | |||
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"The only issue I can see with paying say £10 minimum wage is everyday things will go up in price like Food, Asda wont pay staff that money unless they pass it on to customers and anyone working in a trades like builders, plumbers etc will also charge more or want more on a hourly rate I don't think there are many qualified trades people on minimum wage! How do you define a minimum wage? To me, somebody should be able to support themselves on the minimum wage by working 40 hours a week. If you live in London, that's going to be a struggle unless its very high... I think we should be considering the living wage rather than minimum wage. In some cases costs will rise, but in many cases it's just a manageable reduction in profits. You do know a manager is on around 100k to take bonus into account also free healthcare free dental other bonuses like it enhanced pensions and savings plans share options.. then they will have to a senior managers which also will have management it's not a young lad put yoghurt out making things expensive.. "Exactly, if the people at the top took a little less, and the people at the bottom got a little more - the world would be a better place | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. Not everyone will agree, doesn't change the fact though. " It isn't a fact that there are always alternative better paying jobs available to people. For some people, there are not, for a myriad of reasons. Calling it a fact doesn't make it true. It's your opinion. | |||
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"My sons doing an engineering degree apprenticeship at uni. They pay all the tuition, and he gets £7.50 an hour pay. He's 19, but he doesn't have to worry about leaving uni in debt.
That is definitely an advantage to degree apprenticeships.
My niece and nephew are both hoping to do this.
There are some great ones, Times list the best degree and higher level apprenticeships available, if I was 18 I’d definitely be looking. Our daughter looked at an trainee lawyer with M&S 28k starting salary at 18, 6 year course , all degree and professional fees paid... complete and a practicing lawyer with no debts ... Wow! "Yes its a brilliant option. My niece isn't to sure what she wants to do yet but has another year at college so no big rush. My nephew is looking at engineering apprenticeships. Hes not sure he will get what he needs for a degree or higher apprenticeship so is looking at all the options. | |||
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"My sons doing an engineering degree apprenticeship at uni. They pay all the tuition, and he gets £7.50 an hour pay. He's 19, but he doesn't have to worry about leaving uni in debt.
That is definitely an advantage to degree apprenticeships.
My niece and nephew are both hoping to do this.
There are some great ones, Times list the best degree and higher level apprenticeships available, if I was 18 I’d definitely be looking. Our daughter looked at an trainee lawyer with M&S 28k starting salary at 18, 6 year course , all degree and professional fees paid... complete and a practicing lawyer with no debts ... Wow!
Yes its a brilliant option.
My niece isn't to sure what she wants to do yet but has another year at college so no big rush.
My nephew is looking at engineering apprenticeships.
Hes not sure he will get what he needs for a degree or higher apprenticeship so is looking at all the options. "Tell them to get the Times supplement called Elite apprenticeships: The smart way to get hands-on experience and stay debt-free | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. Not everyone will agree, doesn't change the fact though. It isn't a fact that there are always alternative better paying jobs available to people. For some people, there are not, for a myriad of reasons. Calling it a fact doesn't make it true. It's your opinion. " I didn't say the alternative would be easy or instant, and I wasn't suggesting someone could just choose to take a better paid job, but there are always alternatives for those that really want them. | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now" And in the meantime the disadvataged, vulnerable and margarinalised just have wait and suffer. | |||
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"My sons doing an engineering degree apprenticeship at uni. They pay all the tuition, and he gets £7.50 an hour pay. He's 19, but he doesn't have to worry about leaving uni in debt.
That is definitely an advantage to degree apprenticeships.
My niece and nephew are both hoping to do this.
There are some great ones, Times list the best degree and higher level apprenticeships available, if I was 18 I’d definitely be looking. Our daughter looked at an trainee lawyer with M&S 28k starting salary at 18, 6 year course , all degree and professional fees paid... complete and a practicing lawyer with no debts ... Wow!
Yes its a brilliant option.
My niece isn't to sure what she wants to do yet but has another year at college so no big rush.
My nephew is looking at engineering apprenticeships.
Hes not sure he will get what he needs for a degree or higher apprenticeship so is looking at all the options.
Tell them to get the Times supplement called
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"There's always alternatives" Your education, ability, experience and location all play a part... sadly in our society for many there are not alternatives to minimum wage jobs. | |||
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"There's always alternatives Your education, ability, experience and location all play a part... sadly in our society for many there are not alternatives to minimum wage jobs." As long as you have an internet connection you can start your own business - without capital - that's just one alternative - there's never no alternative. | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. Not everyone will agree, doesn't change the fact though. It isn't a fact that there are always alternative better paying jobs available to people. For some people, there are not, for a myriad of reasons. Calling it a fact doesn't make it true. It's your opinion. I didn't say the alternative would be easy or instant, and I wasn't suggesting someone could just choose to take a better paid job, but there are always alternatives for those that really want them. " I think that's a fallacy. Employers are able to get away with not paying people a fair days pay for a fair days work - a living wage - because people are desperate. Yes, many people can choose more training, moving into a different area of work etc.etc. But many people can not. I do not believe that people in some of the most poorly paid jobs in our society, often with little job security, are always able to change their circumstances by "really wanting to". What alternatives would you suggest? | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. Not everyone will agree, doesn't change the fact though. It isn't a fact that there are always alternative better paying jobs available to people. For some people, there are not, for a myriad of reasons. Calling it a fact doesn't make it true. It's your opinion. I didn't say the alternative would be easy or instant, and I wasn't suggesting someone could just choose to take a better paid job, but there are always alternatives for those that really want them. I think that's a fallacy. Employers are able to get away with not paying people a fair days pay for a fair days work - a living wage - because people are desperate. Yes, many people can choose more training, moving into a different area of work etc.etc. But many people can not. I do not believe that people in some of the most poorly paid jobs in our society, often with little job security, are always able to change their circumstances by "really wanting to". What alternatives would you suggest? " One alternative would be to become an Amazon affiliate | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. If child care was to cost more than the wages that the mother would earn in her chosen career, it would be pointless her going to work. I was suggesting the business owners pay more, not charge more "That will not work...I have managed Nurseries and seen the figures. Nurseries cannot pay staff more than what they do, it isn't viable. When managing private settings every April I'd do a financial forecast to see how financially viable we are in readiness for the next years wage increase. Yes the fees go up, and parents always complain about it it, it really is a minefield. Parents pay through the nose for it and it's not fair, and it isn't like parents can drop sessions some days, they get charged whether the child is in or not because you are still staffing the room for that child. Baby rooms will never generate profit because of the high number of staff 50% of which have to be qualified....Baby rooms barely break even but Nurseries need the babies to move through to fill the pre school rooms. Pre school rooms will give most of the profit, which is then used to carry the other rooms. Pre school rooms can work on a ratio of 1:8 unless you are lucky enough to have a EYT then they can be in a 1:13 ratio Funding the government give for two and three year olds is less half of the hourly rate we charge in fees Then there is rent, business rates, electric, heat, food, equipment, uniforms. A lot of Childcare settings have gone now because they couldn't claim furlough, because of already receiving funding for children, they were meant to use that apparently... I'm lucky I work for a large chain who have Nurseries around the world....so less pressure on managers, but we still have to be scouting for parents and have quotas to fill. | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. Not everyone will agree, doesn't change the fact though. It isn't a fact that there are always alternative better paying jobs available to people. For some people, there are not, for a myriad of reasons. Calling it a fact doesn't make it true. It's your opinion. I didn't say the alternative would be easy or instant, and I wasn't suggesting someone could just choose to take a better paid job, but there are always alternatives for those that really want them. " It's far too simplistic to say if you really want it..you can have it. A single mother struggling to feed her kids is going to struggle creating her own business. Capitalism is a system which needs people at the bottom.Thats how it works. | |||
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"There's a guy on youtube called Bald and Bankrupt (for obvious reasons) - he was homeless and penniless but he didn't buy into the 'woe is me' mindset. Rather he scraped together a few quid, went travelling to one of the cheapest regions in the world, recorded it, stuck it on youtube and now has 2 million viewers worth an estimated $100,000 a year. " Pulling out odd examples of people who have 'made it'clearly is not going to apply to everyone. What about countless businesses who have gone bust and ended up bankrupt? What are they going to do? | |||
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"There's a guy on youtube called Bald and Bankrupt (for obvious reasons) - he was homeless and penniless but he didn't buy into the 'woe is me' mindset. Rather he scraped together a few quid, went travelling to one of the cheapest regions in the world, recorded it, stuck it on youtube and now has 2 million viewers worth an estimated $100,000 a year. " Many of the people you think can better themselves by wanting it couldn't even scrape £100 together for the passport. | |||
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"There's a guy on youtube called Bald and Bankrupt (for obvious reasons) - he was homeless and penniless but he didn't buy into the 'woe is me' mindset. Rather he scraped together a few quid, went travelling to one of the cheapest regions in the world, recorded it, stuck it on youtube and now has 2 million viewers worth an estimated $100,000 a year. Pulling out odd examples of people who have 'made it'clearly is not going to apply to everyone. What about countless businesses who have gone bust and ended up bankrupt? What are they going to do?" If they had the entrepreneurial motivation to start their own business once, my bet would be they will pick themselves up, brush themselves off and have another go. | |||
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"There's a guy on youtube called Bald and Bankrupt (for obvious reasons) - he was homeless and penniless but he didn't buy into the 'woe is me' mindset. Rather he scraped together a few quid, went travelling to one of the cheapest regions in the world, recorded it, stuck it on youtube and now has 2 million viewers worth an estimated $100,000 a year. Pulling out odd examples of people who have 'made it'clearly is not going to apply to everyone. What about countless businesses who have gone bust and ended up bankrupt? What are they going to do? If they had the entrepreneurial motivation to start their own business once, my bet would be they will pick themselves up, brush themselves off and have another go. " When they are bankrupt? | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. Not everyone will agree, doesn't change the fact though. It isn't a fact that there are always alternative better paying jobs available to people. For some people, there are not, for a myriad of reasons. Calling it a fact doesn't make it true. It's your opinion. I didn't say the alternative would be easy or instant, and I wasn't suggesting someone could just choose to take a better paid job, but there are always alternatives for those that really want them. I think that's a fallacy. Employers are able to get away with not paying people a fair days pay for a fair days work - a living wage - because people are desperate. Yes, many people can choose more training, moving into a different area of work etc.etc. But many people can not. I do not believe that people in some of the most poorly paid jobs in our society, often with little job security, are always able to change their circumstances by "really wanting to". What alternatives would you suggest? One alternative would be to become an Amazon affiliate " Care to expand on the amazon it? | |||
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"There's a guy on youtube called Bald and Bankrupt (for obvious reasons) - he was homeless and penniless but he didn't buy into the 'woe is me' mindset. Rather he scraped together a few quid, went travelling to one of the cheapest regions in the world, recorded it, stuck it on youtube and now has 2 million viewers worth an estimated $100,000 a year. Many of the people you think can better themselves by wanting it couldn't even scrape £100 together for the passport." Again, it's probably a mindset - as a 14 year old I used to go round washing cars - if I was desperate for £100 I would grab my bucket and sponge and do it again. Twenty odd cars should do it | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. Not everyone will agree, doesn't change the fact though. It isn't a fact that there are always alternative better paying jobs available to people. For some people, there are not, for a myriad of reasons. Calling it a fact doesn't make it true. It's your opinion. I didn't say the alternative would be easy or instant, and I wasn't suggesting someone could just choose to take a better paid job, but there are always alternatives for those that really want them. I think that's a fallacy. Employers are able to get away with not paying people a fair days pay for a fair days work - a living wage - because people are desperate. Yes, many people can choose more training, moving into a different area of work etc.etc. But many people can not. I do not believe that people in some of the most poorly paid jobs in our society, often with little job security, are always able to change their circumstances by "really wanting to". What alternatives would you suggest? One alternative would be to become an Amazon affiliate Care to expand on the amazon it?" I don't know anything about it, other than I have a friend who went from supermarket worker to fully self-employed from it. Google's probably your friend | |||
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"There's a guy on youtube called Bald and Bankrupt (for obvious reasons) - he was homeless and penniless but he didn't buy into the 'woe is me' mindset. Rather he scraped together a few quid, went travelling to one of the cheapest regions in the world, recorded it, stuck it on youtube and now has 2 million viewers worth an estimated $100,000 a year. Many of the people you think can better themselves by wanting it couldn't even scrape £100 together for the passport. Again, it's probably a mindset - as a 14 year old I used to go round washing cars - if I was desperate for £100 I would grab my bucket and sponge and do it again. Twenty odd cars should do it "Sadly someme people actually live in the real world . | |||
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"Again, it's probably a mindset - as a 14 year old I used to go round washing cars - if I was desperate for £100 I would grab my bucket and sponge and do it again. Twenty odd cars should do it "While I appreciate the point you are trying to make, I believe you've fallen into the misguided Tory mindset of thinking everyone can do anything. Beautiful idea, and a con trick the Tories have used to stay in power for so long. People are unique. We all have different skills, aptitudes, levels of intelligence, physical ability, mental capacity, and circumstances. Out support requirements will vary from person to person, and subject to subject. But getting rich of the pain, misery and suffering of others is how Tories exist, and having a low waged sector of society is essential for them to breed. | |||
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"There's a guy on youtube called Bald and Bankrupt (for obvious reasons) - he was homeless and penniless but he didn't buy into the 'woe is me' mindset. Rather he scraped together a few quid, went travelling to one of the cheapest regions in the world, recorded it, stuck it on youtube and now has 2 million viewers worth an estimated $100,000 a year. Pulling out odd examples of people who have 'made it'clearly is not going to apply to everyone. What about countless businesses who have gone bust and ended up bankrupt? What are they going to do? If they had the entrepreneurial motivation to start their own business once, my bet would be they will pick themselves up, brush themselves off and have another go. When they are bankrupt? " Yes, I think we just completed a full 360 degrees there 
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While I appreciate the point you are trying to make, I believe you've fallen into the misguided Tory mindset of thinking everyone can do anything.
Beautiful idea, and a con trick the Tories have used to stay in power for so long. People are unique. We all have different skills, aptitudes, levels of intelligence, physical ability, mental capacity, and circumstances. Out support requirements will vary from person to person, and subject to subject.
But getting rich of the pain, misery and suffering of others is how Tories exist, and having a low waged sector of society is essential for them to breed.
"Spot on. Plus if you are born into privilege and wealth you are at a massive advantage. Capitalism is a triangle and the greatest trick they pull is getting everyone to believe they can make it. | |||
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While I appreciate the point you are trying to make, I believe you've fallen into the misguided Tory mindset of thinking everyone can do anything.
Beautiful idea, and a con trick the Tories have used to stay in power for so long. People are unique. We all have different skills, aptitudes, levels of intelligence, physical ability, mental capacity, and circumstances. Out support requirements will vary from person to person, and subject to subject.
But getting rich of the pain, misery and suffering of others is how Tories exist, and having a low waged sector of society is essential for them to breed.
"To be honest, I've always taken responsibility for my own life, and who is in government has never really mattered to me - they're all pretty useless in my opinion. But yes, I have always thought that I can do anything I choose to do because I will put in the thousands of hours necessary to achieve what I want to achieve. | |||
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"I think a lot of wealthy people have tried, failed, tried, failed, succeeded!" In America, certainly... there is a very different attitude towards failure there. In the UK, less so... it can take up to six years to bounce back from Bankruptcy, and it will always remain as a mark which won't be a positive attribute going forward... but yes, it can be done, in theory. | |||
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"To be honest, I've always taken responsibility for my own life, and who is in government has never really mattered to me - they're all pretty useless in my opinion. But yes, I have always thought that I can do anything I choose to do because I will put in the thousands of hours necessary to achieve what I want to achieve. " Everybody is responsible for their own life. Your tone suggests that if somebody cannot pick themselves up from the gutter and climb to the very top in business it's their own fault, and, well, fuck'em they deserve it? Do you masturbate over the photos in Maggie Thatchers biography by any chance? | |||
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"At least they got rid of that child exploitation abomination called YTS (Youth Training Scheme) working 40 hours a week for £29.50 for the 1st year then the 2nd year for £35 a week." The YTS scheme was brought into operation in 1983 by the government of Margaret Thatcher. | |||
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"I think a lot of wealthy people have tried, failed, tried, failed, succeeded! In America, certainly... there is a very different attitude towards failure there. In the UK, less so... it can take up to six years to bounce back from Bankruptcy, and it will always remain as a mark which won't be a positive attribute going forward... but yes, it can be done, in theory." I've been close to bankrupt, but never bankrupt, but if I was I would do whatever was necessary (and legal) to get myself out of it. Whether that be cleaning windows and/or cars, mowing lawns, putting up fences, there's a gazillion ways I could make money if I had to. It's amazing what can be achieved with a positive attitude | |||
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"I think a lot of wealthy people have tried, failed, tried, failed, succeeded! In America, certainly... there is a very different attitude towards failure there. In the UK, less so... it can take up to six years to bounce back from Bankruptcy, and it will always remain as a mark which won't be a positive attribute going forward... but yes, it can be done, in theory. I've been close to bankrupt, but never bankrupt, but if I was I would do whatever was necessary (and legal) to get myself out of it. Whether that be cleaning windows and/or cars, mowing lawns, putting up fences, there's a gazillion ways I could make money if I had to. It's amazing what can be achieved with a positive attitude "Say you have a family to feed? | |||
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"To be honest, I've always taken responsibility for my own life, and who is in government has never really mattered to me - they're all pretty useless in my opinion. But yes, I have always thought that I can do anything I choose to do because I will put in the thousands of hours necessary to achieve what I want to achieve. Everybody is responsible for their own life. Your tone suggests that if somebody cannot pick themselves up from the gutter and climb to the very top in business it's their own fault, and, well, fuck'em they deserve it? Do you masturbate over the photos in Maggie Thatchers biography by any chance?" You can choose to moan about it or you can choose to do something about it. I'll leave the wanking to you, I get the feeling you're very good at that | |||
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"I think a lot of wealthy people have tried, failed, tried, failed, succeeded! In America, certainly... there is a very different attitude towards failure there. In the UK, less so... it can take up to six years to bounce back from Bankruptcy, and it will always remain as a mark which won't be a positive attribute going forward... but yes, it can be done, in theory. I've been close to bankrupt, but never bankrupt, but if I was I would do whatever was necessary (and legal) to get myself out of it. Whether that be cleaning windows and/or cars, mowing lawns, putting up fences, there's a gazillion ways I could make money if I had to. It's amazing what can be achieved with a positive attitude
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"I think a lot of wealthy people have tried, failed, tried, failed, succeeded! In America, certainly... there is a very different attitude towards failure there. In the UK, less so... it can take up to six years to bounce back from Bankruptcy, and it will always remain as a mark which won't be a positive attribute going forward... but yes, it can be done, in theory. I've been close to bankrupt, but never bankrupt, but if I was I would do whatever was necessary (and legal) to get myself out of it. Whether that be cleaning windows and/or cars, mowing lawns, putting up fences, there's a gazillion ways I could make money if I had to. It's amazing what can be achieved with a positive attitude
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Even more reason then"So in between looking after them..cooking..cleaning..taking them to school..working..you can nip out and mow a few lawns and make your 1st million? | |||
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"I think a lot of wealthy people have tried, failed, tried, failed, succeeded! In America, certainly... there is a very different attitude towards failure there. In the UK, less so... it can take up to six years to bounce back from Bankruptcy, and it will always remain as a mark which won't be a positive attribute going forward... but yes, it can be done, in theory. I've been close to bankrupt, but never bankrupt, but if I was I would do whatever was necessary (and legal) to get myself out of it. Whether that be cleaning windows and/or cars, mowing lawns, putting up fences, there's a gazillion ways I could make money if I had to. It's amazing what can be achieved with a positive attitude
Say you have a family to feed?
Even more reason then
So in between looking after them..cooking..cleaning..taking them to school..working..you can nip out and mow a few lawns and make your 1st million?"I didn't say it would be easy, I said everyone has alternatives, and mowing lawns was just one example, there are many others for those that want them. | |||
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"I've been close to bankrupt, but never bankrupt,... It's amazing what can be achieved with a positive attitude "Actually, so have I. One of things I've learned over the years is its a very thin line between having and not having, and when the perfect storm happens, you're on the wrong side. Yes, I was able to get out of it. Yes I had to do some shitty jobs to get out of it. Yes, I had support from friends and family, and at times, the state. Can everybody do it? ABSOLOUTLY NOT. And not being able to is no reflection on their worth or value. In life, luck plays a part. I bounced back. I have my own business. I earn good money. My future is secure. I'm happy to pay my taxes so those less fortunate and less able can live a life with dignity and happiness, without being seen as capital for exploitation by the few. I'm quite proud to be socialist, where the greater needs of society are met rather than the self-centred needs of the few. I can still have that view while owning my house, driving nice cars, and eating out wherever and whenever I want. | |||
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"I think a lot of wealthy people have tried, failed, tried, failed, succeeded! In America, certainly... there is a very different attitude towards failure there. In the UK, less so... it can take up to six years to bounce back from Bankruptcy, and it will always remain as a mark which won't be a positive attribute going forward... but yes, it can be done, in theory. I've been close to bankrupt, but never bankrupt, but if I was I would do whatever was necessary (and legal) to get myself out of it. Whether that be cleaning windows and/or cars, mowing lawns, putting up fences, there's a gazillion ways I could make money if I had to. It's amazing what can be achieved with a positive attitude
Say you have a family to feed?
Even more reason then
So in between looking after them..cooking..cleaning..taking them to school..working..you can nip out and mow a few lawns and make your 1st million?
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"I'll leave the wanking to you, I get the feeling you're very good at that "Actually, there was this one time on a porn shoot when the guy couldn't deliver and had to provide a facial, so yes, I can be actually... but I was sure I had all copies of the video... | |||
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"At least they got rid of that child exploitation abomination called YTS (Youth Training Scheme) working 40 hours a week for £29.50 for the 1st year then the 2nd year for £35 a week. The YTS scheme was brought into operation in 1983 by the government of Margaret Thatcher." A lot of skilled electricians now enjoying £100k pa contract work go there through YTS you know , while there mates were laughing at them earning £100 in a factory and clubbing every weekend , tough choices, sacrifices and patience pays off | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail?" Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture " Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. | |||
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"At least they got rid of that child exploitation abomination called YTS (Youth Training Scheme) working 40 hours a week for £29.50 for the 1st year then the 2nd year for £35 a week." Yes, my friend struggled through that in the late 80’s. He now earns 60k as a HGV engineer. He embraced the opportunity and succeeded, instead of moaning that he was being exploited. | |||
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"At least they got rid of that child exploitation abomination called YTS (Youth Training Scheme) working 40 hours a week for £29.50 for the 1st year then the 2nd year for £35 a week. Yes, my friend struggled through that in the late 80’s. He now earns 60k as a HGV engineer. He embraced the opportunity and succeeded, instead of moaning that he was being exploited." You’re ever so cheery | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist." Which one is the new word? | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word?" Entitlement culture | |||
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"At least they got rid of that child exploitation abomination called YTS (Youth Training Scheme) working 40 hours a week for £29.50 for the 1st year then the 2nd year for £35 a week. Yes, my friend struggled through that in the late 80’s. He now earns 60k as a HGV engineer. He embraced the opportunity and succeeded, instead of moaning that he was being exploited. You’re ever so cheery "Thanks... | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture " Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat "You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life? The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists? | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
"Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two. | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two."Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please? | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two.
Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please?"Google it, or is that too much "work" for you? | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two.
Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please?
Google it, or is that too much "work" for you?"Thought so. It doesn't exist. | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two.
Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please?
Google it, or is that too much "work" for you?
Thought so.
It doesn't exist."Because you can't be bothered to check a fact, it doesn't exist? Ok | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two.
Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please?
Google it, or is that too much "work" for you?
Thought so.
It doesn't exist.
Because you can't be bothered to check a fact, it doesn't exist? Ok "I'll repeat. Just because a word exists doesnt mean it tangiblely exists in the real word. Shall I draw you a picture to explain the difference? I'll ask again..give me some real life examples of this "culture' | |||
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"You cannot go far wrong by looking at what the Swiss do. Theres is a government and system that works for the people in so many facets of public life. In Switzerland the minimum wage is $20 per hour for any work; whether that is part time full time, temp or intern. I lived in Switzerland for 3 years and man do I miss it. " This example and the points made in the OP is why I find a Universal Basic Income such an interesting and hope inspiring idea. It was a shame the Finns ended their trial, I shall be very interested to see what the Spanish make of their national programme. | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two.
Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please?
Google it, or is that too much "work" for you?
Thought so.
It doesn't exist.
Because you can't be bothered to check a fact, it doesn't exist? Ok
I'll repeat.
Just because a word exists doesnt mean it tangiblely exists in the real word.
Shall I draw you a picture to explain the difference?
I'll ask again..give me some real life examples of this "culture'"Yes please, draw me a picture. I'm sure you have some nice crayons but just don't write on the wall, it's hard to wipe it off the padded bits. | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two.
Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please?
Google it, or is that too much "work" for you?
Thought so.
It doesn't exist.
Because you can't be bothered to check a fact, it doesn't exist? Ok
I'll repeat.
Just because a word exists doesnt mean it tangiblely exists in the real word.
Shall I draw you a picture to explain the difference?
I'll ask again..give me some real life examples of this "culture'
Yes please, draw me a picture. I'm sure you have some nice crayons but just don't write on the wall, it's hard to wipe it off the padded bits. "Translation =I have no evidence of this whatsoever . | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two.
Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please?
Google it, or is that too much "work" for you?
Thought so.
It doesn't exist.
Because you can't be bothered to check a fact, it doesn't exist? Ok
I'll repeat.
Just because a word exists doesnt mean it tangiblely exists in the real word.
Shall I draw you a picture to explain the difference?
I'll ask again..give me some real life examples of this "culture'
Yes please, draw me a picture. I'm sure you have some nice crayons but just don't write on the wall, it's hard to wipe it off the padded bits.
Translation =I have no evidence of this whatsoever ."Translation - I still can't be bothered to any actual work to resolve or answer a question so I'll belittle someone else instead. That'll give me the false senses of purpose and usefulness I crave. | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two.
Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please?
Google it, or is that too much "work" for you?
Thought so.
It doesn't exist.
Because you can't be bothered to check a fact, it doesn't exist? Ok
I'll repeat.
Just because a word exists doesnt mean it tangiblely exists in the real word.
Shall I draw you a picture to explain the difference?
I'll ask again..give me some real life examples of this "culture'
Yes please, draw me a picture. I'm sure you have some nice crayons but just don't write on the wall, it's hard to wipe it off the padded bits.
Translation =I have no evidence of this whatsoever .
Translation - I still can't be bothered to any actual work to resolve or answer a question so I'll belittle someone else instead. That'll give me the false senses of purpose and usefulness I crave. "Snigger. Oh dear. Whistles and walks away. | |||
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"This is the problem and why Labour Party became so unpopular. People don’t want a life on minimum wage, they want something better. The tories are nasty but they know it takes sacrifices, risks, persistence, patience and a lot of hard work and not everyone can do it - they want there iPhone and big screen tv now Fuck me, I've read it all now... A suggestion that the disadvantaged and marginalised in society are better off under tories? What country have you been living in for the past decade? Planet daily mail? Various in the last decade NZ, Middle East and UK , but none comes close to the UK for whining and entitlement culture Ooh a new word that doesnt actually exist. Which one is the new word? Entitlement culture Well, that's two words - a phrase, and one that already exists if you google it. Your attempt to belittle/bully that poster misfired somewhat
You realise there is a minor difference between a word existing and it actual existing in real life?
The word Loch ness monster exists..does this mean the monster exists?
Again, two words. Both exist in "real life" as does the phrase combining the two.
Give me some evidence of this 'culture 'existing please?
Google it, or is that too much "work" for you?
Thought so.
It doesn't exist.
Because you can't be bothered to check a fact, it doesn't exist? Ok
I'll repeat.
Just because a word exists doesnt mean it tangiblely exists in the real word.
Shall I draw you a picture to explain the difference?
I'll ask again..give me some real life examples of this "culture'
Yes please, draw me a picture. I'm sure you have some nice crayons but just don't write on the wall, it's hard to wipe it off the padded bits.
Translation =I have no evidence of this whatsoever .
Translation - I still can't be bothered to any actual work to resolve or answer a question so I'll belittle someone else instead. That'll give me the false senses of purpose and usefulness I crave.
Snigger.
Oh dear.
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"Part of the issue with minimum wage, is part time work. In reality a minimum wage SHOULD give a person enough money every week to live on, without the need for supplementary benefits. But if you are only able to get part time hours, you could reality struggle to get enough to survive. Then there are the Pro rata jobs. If you work term time only at a school, for example then you might actually get the minimum wage rate, but your wage is added up to a yearly total and then split into 12 monthly payments leaving you with a monthly wage that is considerably lower than minimum wage. " And part time work is becoming the norm.Each person doing various part time jobs.. guaranteed full time hours becoming rarer than Boris's new Hairbrush | |||
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"I think a lot depends on the job. Childcare is a massive responsibility and there's no way should it fall within the minimum wage bracket. I guess if people stop filling the vacancies, they would have to up the wages. There are always alternatives and better-paid jobs out there. Do you think people would willingly take a job that pays really poorly if there were alternatives? There's always alternatives That's a broad brush statement, speaking for the whole of the working population. I don't agree. Not everyone will agree, doesn't change the fact though. It isn't a fact that there are always alternative better paying jobs available to people. For some people, there are not, for a myriad of reasons. Calling it a fact doesn't make it true. It's your opinion. I didn't say the alternative would be easy or instant, and I wasn't suggesting someone could just choose to take a better paid job, but there are always alternatives for those that really want them. I think that's a fallacy. Employers are able to get away with not paying people a fair days pay for a fair days work - a living wage - because people are desperate. Yes, many people can choose more training, moving into a different area of work etc.etc. But many people can not. I do not believe that people in some of the most poorly paid jobs in our society, often with little job security, are always able to change their circumstances by "really wanting to". What alternatives would you suggest? One alternative would be to become an Amazon affiliate Care to expand on the amazon it? I don't know anything about it, other than I have a friend who went from supermarket worker to fully self-employed from it. Google's probably your friend "Id ask his profit margin as .they advertise 140 a day so £1.00 a parcel 14 plus hours a day and you need a smartphone with 5gb of data | |||
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"The only issue I can see with paying say £10 minimum wage is everyday things will go up in price like Food, Asda wont pay staff that money unless they pass it on to customers and anyone working in a trades like builders, plumbers etc will also charge more or want more on a hourly rate" Exactly this the more you up the base cost for any business the more you end up paying. Its a very fine line to keep both at a reasonable level I do believe we need to look at how the whole benefit system works as I don't belive it's fit for purpose anymore and could be tweaked to help those helping themselves more. | |||
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"Part of the issue with minimum wage, is part time work. In reality a minimum wage SHOULD give a person enough money every week to live on, without the need for supplementary benefits. But if you are only able to get part time hours, you could reality struggle to get enough to survive. Then there are the Pro rata jobs. If you work term time only at a school, for example then you might actually get the minimum wage rate, but your wage is added up to a yearly total and then split into 12 monthly payments leaving you with a monthly wage that is considerably lower than minimum wage. " So that would mean pro-rata hours for full time wages. | |||
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"The only issue I can see with paying say £10 minimum wage is everyday things will go up in price like Food, Asda wont pay staff that money unless they pass it on to customers and anyone working in a trades like builders, plumbers etc will also charge more or want more on a hourly rate Exactly this the more you up the base cost for any business the more you end up paying. Its a very fine line to keep both at a reasonable level I do believe we need to look at how the whole benefit system works as I don't belive it's fit for purpose anymore and could be tweaked to help those helping themselves more. " I agree, I think that the whole tax credit system actually held people back. | |||
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