FabSwingers.com forum: Jimmy Carr

By *iew OP Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

well done for your apology....

all is well now, continue to rip the piss out of everyone else.

and you comedians pals will you

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By *iew OP Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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over a year ago

"well done for your apology....

all is well now, continue to rip the piss out of everyone else.

and you comedians pals will you"

Have I missed something?

I know he's not everyone's cup of tea - but seen him half a dozen times live and he's hilarious! I don't do 'PC' - and no-one does 'non-PC' better IMHO.

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By *iew OP Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"well done for your apology....

all is well now, continue to rip the piss out of everyone else.

and you comedians pals will you

Have I missed something?

I know he's not everyone's cup of tea - but seen him half a dozen times live and he's hilarious! I don't do 'PC' - and no-one does 'non-PC' better IMHO.

I think he is funny as well.

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By *eon85Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Am I wrong in thinking that if we knew how to pay 1% tax we wouldn't do it? I'd say jimmy Carr and franky boyle are my personal favourite comedians for the way they don't pussyfoot around the pc subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well done for your apology....

all is well now, continue to rip the piss out of everyone else.

and you comedians pals will you

Have I missed something?

I know he's not everyone's cup of tea - but seen him half a dozen times live and he's hilarious! I don't do 'PC' - and no-one does 'non-PC' better IMHO.

I think he is funny as well."

So what's he apologised for? I'm far too busy working to trawl t'internet to find out! Spill!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what exactly have they been doing that is SO wrong for him to be singled out like he has.

Is he an easy target because he is in the public eye ?

Personally I don't care for the man or his comeddy, but I don't like the fact he has been singled out, irregardless of how wrongly he may have behaved.

His tax affairs should be private - as with everyone else in the country.

If he has done wrong, it should be dealt with by the appropriate authorities without the need to parade him through the media as some sort of 'devil', 'thief' and 'ne're do well'

Tax 'fiddles' for want of a better term are not new news.

I am sure Mr Cameron and several other Members of Parliament (of all parties) are only too aware of the potential loopholes in the taxation system and use them to their own advantage also.

So why him ? and why now ?

Is this a diversion from the 'real' underlying issue or an attempt to stir up a hornets nest and push through a considerable shake up of taxation legislation ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it his fault or the Govt's fault for not closing all the loopholes?

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By *iew OP Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Am I wrong in thinking that if we knew how to pay 1% tax we wouldn't do it? I'd say jimmy Carr and franky boyle are my personal favourite comedians for the way they don't pussyfoot around the pc subject. "

yeah but yesterday he was " I pay my tax and not a penny more' and he did, legally.

today ' I am very sorry, I made a terrible error of judgement' which he probably and I say probably will have been advised to say to save his career...

so he does pussy foot around the PC brigade to save his luxury lifestyle.

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By *iew OP Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Is it his fault or the Govt's fault for not closing all the loopholes?"

Primarily the Gov's, but when you make your career flinging mud thro comedy, maybe naive to think it may not come back and hit you in the face

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By *abloBackMan
over a year ago

London

He ripped into the bankers which made him fair game

Who hasn't "paid cash" for something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what? He's done nothing leglaly wrong. The law is there. Why not taking advantage of it. Yes morally questionable.

But has the PM checked if all his own father invest were made in a profitable way to the tax man???

Why single out Jimmy when we all know how most the rich avoid to pay more tax?

And who on this site will turn down the opportunity to pay less???

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I like jimmy carr . However he does deserve the stick . He spent a considerable amount of time ridiculeing a bank for using the same tax scheme as he has .

I make no moral judgment about him or the bank the schemes were both legal but certainly complex tax avoidance that most of us could not afford to do

many more rich to be named I reckon

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

lets hope 'our Dave' shines the same spotlight upon some of his parties supporters..

tax system is a joke..

if your a multi national you take the taxman to lunch and come to an arrangement..ffs

or set up an office abroad to duck your tax..

if your an 'average joe/joanne' they have you by the throat..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

yeah but yesterday he was " I pay my tax and not a penny more' and he did, legally.

today ' I am very sorry, I made a terrible error of judgement' which he probably and I say probably will have been advised to say to save his career...

agree with why he probabaly did so..

given the amount of U-turns the present HMG have done recently, his action is rather appropriate..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"lets hope 'our Dave' shines the same spotlight upon some of his parties supporters..

tax system is a joke..

if your a multi national you take the taxman to lunch and come to an arrangement..ffs

or set up an office abroad to duck your tax..

if your an 'average joe/joanne' they have you by the throat.."

Can you please copy paste and repost your comment please?

You speak the truth

The same Dave is ready to welcome all the french business men and rich people who will run from our lovely france just to avoid paying a heavy incum tax. Isn't that encouraging people to avoid tax in one country?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Didn't TonyBlair only pay a fraction of his tax on £12 million???

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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

"So what exactly have they been doing that is SO wrong for him to be singled out like he has.

Is he an easy target because he is in the public eye ?

Personally I don't care for the man or his comeddy, but I don't like the fact he has been singled out, irregardless of how wrongly he may have behaved.

His tax affairs should be private - as with everyone else in the country.

If he has done wrong, it should be dealt with by the appropriate authorities without the need to parade him through the media as some sort of 'devil', 'thief' and 'ne're do well'

Tax 'fiddles' for want of a better term are not new news.

I am sure Mr Cameron and several other Members of Parliament (of all parties) are only too aware of the potential loopholes in the taxation system and use them to their own advantage also.

So why him ? and why now ?

Is this a diversion from the 'real' underlying issue or an attempt to stir up a hornets nest and push through a considerable shake up of taxation legislation ?"

Cameron definately is, read the guardian today, and apparrantly his famiys wealth has been largely supplemented by his dad doing exactly this, and even boasting about it.

It was a stupid move to take the moral high ground on this cos it was immediately obvious that people woud highlight any tory abuses in the same ilk which were inevitable (tho i was expecting it through donors)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what? He's done nothing leglaly wrong. The law is there. Why not taking advantage of it. Yes morally questionable.

But has the PM checked if all his own father invest were made in a profitable way to the tax man???

Why single out Jimmy when we all know how most the rich avoid to pay more tax?

And who on this site will turn down the opportunity to pay less???"

I agree, it's not up to him to pay more than he needs to if it's legal, it's up to the gov to make it not legal.

If he carries on then let's complain. But not while hes done nothing wrong.

I'd rather he did it thank bankers, at least he's protecting money he made from DVD and ticket sales. Not a bonus for making bad investments and loans that couldn't be repayed.

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By *ishopstippleMan
over a year ago

Purley

Yes stones and glasshouses come to mind.

if the govenment scraped IR35 then these schemes would not be so gross.

Dont Forget Baclays, Vodaphone and many others (supporting the tories) use off-shore holding companies to do the same thing.

And what about all those footballers also doing the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd love to pay way more tax!!!

Sadly - don't presently earn enough - but when I do, i'll do it with a huge smile on my face - and a wheelbarrow full of 5p pieces in my hands!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"lets hope 'our Dave' shines the same spotlight upon some of his parties supporters..

tax system is a joke..

if your a multi national you take the taxman to lunch and come to an arrangement..ffs

or set up an office abroad to duck your tax..

if your an 'average joe/joanne' they have you by the throat..

Can you please copy paste and repost your comment please?

You speak the truth

would not have a clue how to copy and paste tbh...

techno thikko lol..

if you sell of your infra structure as successive governments have done since the 80's ish its inevitable..

multinationals pretty much call the shots world wide in a free market economy..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd love to pay way more tax!!!

Sadly - don't presently earn enough - but when I do, i'll do it with a huge smile on my face - and a wheelbarrow full of 5p pieces in my hands!

Hahahahhahahahhhahahahahaa

Go for it

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

All that extra money Jimmy Carr has saved and he still hasn't done anything with his teeth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what? He's done nothing leglaly wrong. The law is there. Why not taking advantage of it. Yes morally questionable.

But has the PM checked if all his own father invest were made in a profitable way to the tax man???

Why single out Jimmy when we all know how most the rich avoid to pay more tax?

And who on this site will turn down the opportunity to pay less???"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what exactly have they been doing that is SO wrong for him to be singled out like he has.

Is he an easy target because he is in the public eye ?

Personally I don't care for the man or his comeddy, but I don't like the fact he has been singled out, irregardless of how wrongly he may have behaved.

His tax affairs should be private - as with everyone else in the country.

If he has done wrong, it should be dealt with by the appropriate authorities without the need to parade him through the media as some sort of 'devil', 'thief' and 'ne're do well'

Tax 'fiddles' for want of a better term are not new news.

I am sure Mr Cameron and several other Members of Parliament (of all parties) are only too aware of the potential loopholes in the taxation system and use them to their own advantage also.

So why him ? and why now ?

Is this a diversion from the 'real' underlying issue or an attempt to stir up a hornets nest and push through a considerable shake up of taxation legislation ?"

Tax evasion by the rich is no different to benefit fraud by the so called poor.

Carr was involved in an offshore fund that allowed it's clients to 'resign' from their companies and then any subsequent payments made to those companies are paid out in loans, and as loans can be be recalled they are not subject to tax.

This allowed someone earning, eg, £280k a year to reduce their tax liability from c.£120k p.a to around £3,500 p.a.

That is abhorrent and it is utterly correct that Carr is singled out for doing it as it sends the message to anyone else doing it that the door is closing on them. If it takes a 'celeb' being outed for it then that's perfectly acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what exactly have they been doing that is SO wrong for him to be singled out like he has.

Is he an easy target because he is in the public eye ?

Personally I don't care for the man or his comeddy, but I don't like the fact he has been singled out, irregardless of how wrongly he may have behaved.

His tax affairs should be private - as with everyone else in the country.

If he has done wrong, it should be dealt with by the appropriate authorities without the need to parade him through the media as some sort of 'devil', 'thief' and 'ne're do well'

Tax 'fiddles' for want of a better term are not new news.

I am sure Mr Cameron and several other Members of Parliament (of all parties) are only too aware of the potential loopholes in the taxation system and use them to their own advantage also.

So why him ? and why now ?

Is this a diversion from the 'real' underlying issue or an attempt to stir up a hornets nest and push through a considerable shake up of taxation legislation ?

Tax evasion by the rich is no different to benefit fraud by the so called poor.

This allowed someone earning, eg, £280k a year to reduce their tax liability from c.£120k p.a to around £3,500 p.a.

And hopefully that will involve any politician involved in similar dealings.

Although if they know it's coming, they can safeguard themselves and their earnings another way in the mean time.

Cynical head is firmly on today

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I think it was cheap that david cameron went after Jimmy Carr for legal tax avoidance... but when pointed out that its seems Gary Barlow does the same thing a different way.... stopped short of the same condemnation!!! hmmmmm.....

close the loophole... I am sure many donors of political parties do the same thing....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello Wishy,

"If it takes a 'celeb' being outed for it then that's perfectly acceptable."

Absolutely not, be it a celebrity or not, tax affairs are private until a case for tax evasion is brought to court.It is not illegal and as someone else pointed out it is up to the HMRC to frame the taxation rules. Morals do not come in to it.

Personally I think the HMRC has far too much power, e.g., if a company goes bankrupt, they are at the head of the queue to get paid as a preferential creditor, never mind the others who may have far more to lose because of the bankruptcy. It is the HMRC who forced Glasgow Rangers into receivership instead of working with them.

Alec

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it was cheap that david cameron went after Jimmy Carr for legal tax avoidance... but when pointed out that its seems Gary Barlow does the same thing a different way.... stopped short of the same condemnation!!! hmmmmm.....

close the loophole... I am sure many donors of political parties do the same thing...."

Cameron's wording may have said 'carr' but the message behind it is crystal clear and Gary Barlow et al will have got that message loud and clear.

He won't want to risk his knighthood now will he?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello Wishy,

"If it takes a 'celeb' being outed for it then that's perfectly acceptable."

Alec

GRFC were forced into receivership so that the vehicle being used by it's dodgy chairman was no longer available. By winding up the company he could no longer channel money through it or syphon money off it. The football club will survive but the tax vehicle behind it won't.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Alec

going off topic a bit... but when it comes to Football.. HMRC is NOT the "preferential Creditor".... in the football rules... other football clubs comes first, then everyone else... and the HMRC would only get pennys in the pound of the debt actually owed

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Cheap shot by Cameron, what a wanker....morally wrong he says.....anyone see the irony in him saying this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cheap shot by Cameron, what a wanker....morally wrong he says.....anyone see the irony in him saying this?

Has Cameron been evading tax too then?

As PM he is morally obligated to go after people not paying their way, but that should include huge corporations who are evading tax too and not just private individuals.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Cheap shot by Cameron, what a wanker....morally wrong he says.....anyone see the irony in him saying this?

Has Cameron been evading tax too then?

As PM he is morally obligated to go after people not paying their way, but that should include huge corporations who are evading tax too and not just private individuals."
Oh blow it out ya ass Wishy.....did i say that? No i didnt ...you know his family did the same thing.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the law says you can do this then it shouldn't be surprised when people do!

I heard an MP saying hes going to sway the country to make people think this is morally wrong.

How dare he, hes not my father!!!!

He and people like him made the laws get it right or stop dam moaning!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cheap shot by Cameron, what a wanker....morally wrong he says.....anyone see the irony in him saying this?

Has Cameron been evading tax too then?

As PM he is morally obligated to go after people not paying their way, but that should include huge corporations who are evading tax too and not just private individuals."

His parents have that's where the family wealth came from google it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Cheap shot by Cameron, what a wanker....morally wrong he says.....anyone see the irony in him saying this?

Has Cameron been evading tax too then?

As PM he is morally obligated to go after people not paying their way, but that should include huge corporations who are evading tax too and not just private individuals."

cameron might not... when when a few months ago it was alledged that Cameron's Father was an investor is such a scheme... not the cleverest thing to say.....

the real reason he went after Carr and not Gary Barlow, is that one is a supporter of the conservative party and has been the front in certain coalition "projects".....

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By *iew OP Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Cheap shot by Cameron, what a wanker....morally wrong he says.....anyone see the irony in him saying this?

Has Cameron been evading tax too then?

As PM he is morally obligated to go after people not paying their way, but that should include huge corporations who are evading tax too and not just private individuals.

cameron might not... when when a few months ago it was alledged that Cameron's Father was an investor is such a scheme... not the cleverest thing to say.....

the real reason he went after Carr and not Gary Barlow, is that one is a supporter of the conservative party and has been the front in certain coalition "projects".....

maybe.

I thought yesterday when it was announced, it was Jimmy Carr and the inter_iew was recorded asking him about Jimmy Carr.

by tea time, the news coverage changed to include members of Take That...

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over a year ago

"Cheap shot by Cameron, what a wanker....morally wrong he says.....anyone see the irony in him saying this?

Has Cameron been evading tax too then?

As PM he is morally obligated to go after people not paying their way, but that should include huge corporations who are evading tax too and not just private individuals.Oh blow it out ya ass Wishy.....did i say that? No i didnt ...you know his family did the same thing.....

He isn't responsible for the things his father does, they are both responsible for their own actions. Who here would publicly condemn their own family regardless of whether you felt they were right or wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well done for your apology....

all is well now, continue to rip the piss out of everyone else.

and you comedians pals will you

Have I missed something?

I know he's not everyone's cup of tea - but seen him half a dozen times live and he's hilarious! I don't do 'PC' - and no-one does 'non-PC' better IMHO.

I think he is funny as well.

So what's he apologised for? I'm far too busy working to trawl t'internet to find out! Spill!!

He's apologised for keeping his own hard earned cash instead of paying it to david cameron so he can waste it on the olympics and bail out banks that have noone elses interests in mind other than their directors

1% is more than any scroungers with 4 kids that don't work at all or immigrants that rob and rape our society not only of money but our jobs and abuse our legal system

One tip for everyone

Pay what you have to ! Save up and fuck off from this country it is crumbling at its foundations and can't last much longer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to correct a few ......, er, 'inaccuracies' in some of the foregoing....

A 'K2' tax plan is NOT a form of evasion. It is a plan approved by HMRC, the net result of which is a considerably lower tax liability for the individual or company it is set up for.

David Cameron is not correct to label what Jimmy Carr's financial adviser has done as 'immoral' in setting up the K2 scheme. Morality does NOT come into it. If it were a scheme which is NOT approved by HMRC then 'maybe' he may have grounds for the statement re: Jimmy Carr's morals. As it is he should shut his big fat sanctimonious gob.

Jimmy Carr does take the piss out of the banks - rightly so. What Jimmy Carr has saved in tax is but a pittance compared to the amount the banks have indebted ALL our children to for a least another generation.

As far as I am concerned - and I am not a dyed-in-the-wool Jimmy Carr fan btw - he has nothing to apologise for - we would ALL do the same or similar in his position - if you thknk what he has done is bad, wait until The Times starts on some of the 80's pop stars!!!!

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By *iew OP Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

As far as I am concerned - and I am not a dyed-in-the-wool Jimmy Carr fan btw - he has nothing to apologise for - we would ALL do the same or similar in

ALL -1

I believe in contributing in full to the country I choose to stay in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not knowing when it's filmed, but will be interesting to see if this is one of the most talked about subjects on 8 Out of 10 Cats tonight lol

I think not being as Jimmy Carr hosts the programme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to correct a few ......, er, 'inaccuracies' in some of the foregoing....

A 'K2' tax plan is NOT a form of evasion. It is a plan approved by HMRC, the net result of which is a considerably lower tax liability for the individual or company it is set up for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not knowing when it's filmed, but will be interesting to see if this is one of the most talked about subjects on 8 Out of 10 Cats tonight lol

I think not being as Jimmy Carr hosts the programme."

It's being filmed TONIGHT....

Can't wait! Might have to take a break from Friday nights meet to watch it!!! Lol!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is not an approved HMRC scheme, its listed as a tax avoidance scheme which alerts the revenue to inestigate it and if they can they will close it. Its not approved but its not contray to the tax laws of the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how can our pm slat the man for only doind wot we all wish we could do.

shame on you jimmy for saying sorry..you have done nothing wrong!

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"He ripped into the bankers which made him fair game

Who hasn't "paid cash" for something?"

I seem to recollect leaving a certain store once in the '70s without troubling the cashier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As far as I am concerned - and I am not a dyed-in-the-wool Jimmy Carr fan btw - he has nothing to apologise for - we would ALL do the same or similar in

ALL -1

I believe in contributing in full to the country I choose to stay in.

Do you have a personal pension by any chance? Millions do. They are sold to the average Joe Soap on the basis that, not only can you get an investment value when you retire from the money you put in, but the Government will top it up every month by way of TAX RELIEF at your marginal rate.

Your marginal rate may be as low as 20% or as high, now, as 45%. But I'll guarantee the vast majority of people finally signed on the dotted line when they were told they would be screwing 20-45% out of the Government each month!!!!

So why is THAT any different to what Jimmy Carr's financial adviser done for him? It comes down to a question of scale - and I stand by what I said:- If you were in his position (i.e. earning in the region of £8 million a year) YOU would do the same or similar. EVERYONE on that kind of money does it and has been doing it for years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello Fabio,

there can be more than one preferential creditor, HMRC happens to be one of that group (It's true for all businesses and private individuals not just football clubs). Preferential creditors get paid first, ordinary debtors get the crumbs. Sometimes these ordinary debtors fold in turn to the detriment of their employees who lose their jobs and so on.

I'd like to think that all the tax collected was spent wisely and efficiently but I gave up believing in fairies along time ago.

Alec

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is not an approved HMRC scheme, its listed as a tax avoidance scheme which alerts the revenue to inestigate it and if they can they will close it. Its not approved but its not contray to the tax laws of the UK"

I was quoting the chap on Radio 4 at lunchtime who used the term 'approved scheme. And Tax Avoidance is NOT illegal. Tax EVASION is...

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By *iew OP Man
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

As far as I am concerned - and I am not a dyed-in-the-wool Jimmy Carr fan btw - he has nothing to apologise for - we would ALL do the same or similar in

ALL -1

I believe in contributing in full to the country I choose to stay in.

No, I worked for a blue chip. I took my pension at 50 to buy additional property.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"lets hope 'our Dave' shines the same spotlight upon some of his parties supporters.. tax system is a joke.. if your a multi national you take the taxman to lunch and come to an arrangement..ffs

or set up an office abroad to duck your tax.. if your an 'average joe/joanne' they have you by the throat..

Can you please copy paste and repost your comment please?

You speak the truth

Absolutely! Old "Dave-Matey" is one of the biggest hypocrites going - specially when it comes to pontificating about others tax 'arrangements'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was quoting the chap on Radio 4 at lunchtime who used the term 'approved scheme. And Tax Avoidance is NOT illegal. Tax EVASION is..."

The HMRC do not approve avoidance schemes believe me! They do look at each one and if they think a judge will close it they go for it. The K2 scheme is one which they would have a job in closing down as lots and lots do it! Incidentally the revenue estimated these avoidance schemes costs the exchequer aroud £6billio a year in lost revenue benefit fraud on the other hand is estimated to be less than a billion! Funny old world.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

No, I wouldn't. If I had hundreds of millions of pounds, why would I need more at the expense of those less fortunate than myself?

No personal pension here by the way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently Jimmy’s statement acknowledges he is "no longer involved" in the scheme and added that he "will in future conduct my financial affairs much more responsibly". He also said "I now realise I've made a terrible error of judgement and apologies to everyone."

I just wonder….?.

If he hadn’t been publicaly exposed would he have smugly continued conducting his financial affairs in this lesser-responsible way and without any real remorse....I wonder..Eh!!

My bet is he would!

So for that reason I totally understand why some people might think he’s a right twat!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It really does make me chuckle out loud reading some people on here. They slam the rich for being rich on one hand, then say 'fair play to them' on the other. They slam benefit scroungers and then say 'well, they have no choice have they'.

Let's be clear about benefit fraud and tax avoidance shall we. People who engage in such activities are taking food out of my children's mouths. They are robbing my old parents of a decent pension and/or winter fuel allowance. They are depriving me of a decent level of a decent health cover. The roads on which I travel are in desperate need of repair and the petrol I buy could be made more cheaper if the govt had the funds available to cut fuel duty.

These people who rob the system - rich or poor - are doing it for their own personal greed and Jimmy Carr is only sorry because he's been caught out. He didn't apologise last week and come clean about his financial affairs before someone else outed him, did he? How fucking sorry is he really.

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

"So what? He's done nothing leglaly wrong. The law is there. Why not taking advantage of it. Yes morally questionable. But has the PM checked if all his own father invest were made in a profitable way to the tax man??? Why single out Jimmy when we all know how most the rich avoid to pay more tax? And who on this site will turn down the opportunity to pay less???"

we being working class do not get the opportunity,or cannot afford to employ the accountants to save our money like some of the rich comedians/singers like jimmy carr or gary barlow!,we that travel in construction have enough trouble trying to claim our lodging expenses,travel cost,tools etc.

lets hope that more dodgers like sainsburys see the moral error of their ways and cough up the correct percentage in tax like we have to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its legal so there's nothing wrong with it. Anyone who's self employed will do some creative accounting,as I do,and I don't apologise for it because it do it within the system as it stands at the moment..I dont pay a huge amount more than Carr does percentage wise. Its a bit rich for Cameron to single carr out and call him morally wrong, David Cameron’s father ran a network of offshore investment funds in Panama City and Geneva, some of which Mr Cameron received in his inheritance. Does Dave not know we've got google or is he a just another fucking hypocrite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Try 'Louis CK' If the non pc humour grabs you

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over a year ago

"Its legal so there's nothing wrong with it. Anyone who's self employed will do some creative accounting,as I do,and I don't apologise for it because it do it within the system as it stands at the moment..I dont pay a huge amount more than Carr does percentage wise. Its a bit rich for Cameron to single carr out and call him morally wrong, David Cameron’s father ran a network of offshore investment funds in Panama City and Geneva, some of which Mr Cameron received in his inheritance. Does Dave not know we've got google or is he a just another fucking hypocrite"

He's just another fucking hypocrite...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's just another fucking hypocrite...

Also,when asked a question about Philip Green he said “I’m sorry, but we don’t comment in individuals’ tax affairs.”

Perhaps he meant “I’m sorry, but we don’t comment in individuals’ tax affairs if they're multi millionaire Tory party donors.”

Well.thats enough hypocrisy for me for one day

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

Evasion = illegal

Avoidance = legal

Cameron = A man clutching at straws and is rapidly losing any respect voters had for him.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

And Millilband? Was he not part of a government for 13 years that allowed such schemes? And could have stopped them dead.

Let's face it, we're fucked.

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By *ishopstippleMan
over a year ago

Purley

"So what exactly have they been doing that is SO wrong for him to be singled out like he has.

Is he an easy target because he is in the public eye ?

Personally I don't care for the man or his comeddy, but I don't like the fact he has been singled out, irregardless of how wrongly he may have behaved.

His tax affairs should be private - as with everyone else in the country.

If he has done wrong, it should be dealt with by the appropriate authorities without the need to parade him through the media as some sort of 'devil', 'thief' and 'ne're do well'

Tax 'fiddles' for want of a better term are not new news.

I am sure Mr Cameron and several other Members of Parliament (of all parties) are only too aware of the potential loopholes in the taxation system and use them to their own advantage also.

So why him ? and why now ?

Is this a diversion from the 'real' underlying issue or an attempt to stir up a hornets nest and push through a considerable shake up of taxation legislation ?

Tax evasion by the rich is no different to benefit fraud by the so called poor.

This allowed someone earning, eg, £280k a year to reduce their tax liability from c.£120k p.a to around £3,500 p.a.

oh yes it is they own the govmnt so it does their bidding. What the poor do is illegal what the rich do is legal cos they got the money to make it so.

so what Jimmy got away with half a million may be a bit more, Tory s-poncers its many Billons.

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

And Millilband? Was he not part of a government for 13 years that allowed such schemes? And could have stopped them dead.

Let's face it, we're fucked. "

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Strange isn't it! Loads on here think it is OK for Jimmy Carr to "avoid" paying tax on his vast earnings that can amount to many thousands or even tens of thousands of pounds. Some of those same people have openly castigated others for milking the system, taking money they don't deserve out!

I'll bet that if it had been anyone else but David Cameron who "outed" Carr, there would have been a whole different set of posts!

Anyone who thinks it is OK to pay tax on minimum wage whist earning mega Bucks and drawing the balance in a "loan" has got it all wrong... Whether it is against the law or not, it IS morally wrong. But I see a lot of so called socialists saying it is not..

And before you answer, just think of the phrase "If the cap fits, wear it!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Evasion = illegal

Avoidance = legal

Cameron = A man clutching at straws and is rapidly losing any respect voters had for him."

That would be Labour voters, as us Tories might think he's got one or two things a bit skewiff but in the main he's doing ok.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

And Millilband? Was he not part of a government for 13 years that allowed such schemes? And could have stopped them dead.

Let's face it, we're fucked. "

Nah....he wasn't an MP until 2005 and only served in the cabinet for Three years....But don't let the facts cloud your vison of things

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over a year ago

"So what exactly have they been doing that is SO wrong for him to be singled out like he has.

Is he an easy target because he is in the public eye ?

Personally I don't care for the man or his comeddy, but I don't like the fact he has been singled out, irregardless of how wrongly he may have behaved.

His tax affairs should be private - as with everyone else in the country.

If he has done wrong, it should be dealt with by the appropriate authorities without the need to parade him through the media as some sort of 'devil', 'thief' and 'ne're do well'

Tax 'fiddles' for want of a better term are not new news.

I am sure Mr Cameron and several other Members of Parliament (of all parties) are only too aware of the potential loopholes in the taxation system and use them to their own advantage also.

So why him ? and why now ?

Is this a diversion from the 'real' underlying issue or an attempt to stir up a hornets nest and push through a considerable shake up of taxation legislation ?"

Very well said - he has not done anything illegal, not done more than half the house of commans have probably done to some extent! - If I could legally pay less tax and keep even a smidgen more of my hard earned cash i certainly would. Think JC has been victimised quite frankly

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

And Millilband? Was he not part of a government for 13 years that allowed such schemes? And could have stopped them dead.

Let's face it, we're fucked.

Nah....he wasn't an MP until 2005 and only served in the cabinet for Three years....But don't let the facts cloud your vison of things"

I'm quite aware that Milliband wasn't an MP for all of the 13 years of the NuLabour Government. Thanks anyway.

You'll be telling me next, it's not only celebrities who have less than kosher tax affairs. How's the VAT free fridge doing?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

And Millilband? Was he not part of a government for 13 years that allowed such schemes? And could have stopped them dead.

Let's face it, we're fucked.

Nah....he wasn't an MP until 2005 and only served in the cabinet for Three years....But don't let the facts cloud your vison of things

I'm quite aware that Milliband wasn't an MP for all of the 13 years of the NuLabour Government. Thanks anyway.

You'll be telling me next, it's not only celebrities who have less than kosher tax affairs. How's the VAT free fridge doing?

So he wasn't part of a government for 13 years then?.....if you are only too aware why say it?

For effect?

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Don't we need a K2 predictor thread?

How many of the PM's mates will be outed for also using K2, now that Davie boy has pointed the morally wrong finger and opened the press flood gates?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Evasion = illegal

Avoidance = legal

Cameron = A man clutching at straws and is rapidly losing any respect voters had for him.

That would be Labour voters, as us Tories might think he's got one or two things a bit skewiff but in the main he's doing ok.

You 'tories' are by and large delusional if you think they are doing ok..

this lot are going to shaft you and yours along with the rest of the majority of this country..

they will take no notice that you are a supporter or party member, your families future will be equally worse than the last few generations..

and your kids kids will be paying like ours for the continuing privatisation of the whole infrastructure of this country to the friends of osborne and cameron..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it is so morally questionable why have the loopholes not been sewn up?

I think we all know the answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Evasion = illegal

Avoidance = legal

Cameron = A man clutching at straws and is rapidly losing any respect voters had for him.

That would be Labour voters, as us Tories might think he's got one or two things a bit skewiff but in the main he's doing ok.

You 'tories' are by and large delusional if you think they are doing ok..

this lot are going to shaft you and yours along with the rest of the majority of this country..

they will take no notice that you are a supporter or party member, your families future will be equally worse than the last few generations..

and your kids kids will be paying like ours for the continuing privatisation of the whole infrastructure of this country to the friends of osborne and cameron..

blah blah blah.. the rich .. nepotism ..... you can almost predict exactly what someone is going to say about conservatism.

Cameron said, during the election debates, that things were going to get a hell of a lot tougher over the next few years. He said "we're in trouble". He didn't lie about it, but a Conservative govt is going to follow conservative policies, and that is to allow business to drive the economy. Somewhere in there there has to be financial sweeteners to get things moving as it's the people with the money who have the final say in what happens, where, and with whom. They have the power, real power. If the govt start shutting down every little tax bolthole in whatever far flung corner of the globe they can find one it's not rocket science to see that the people with the money are going to say, "Fuck you, Britian. We're off to South America where they're a little less vigorous in chasing us for tax revenues."

I'm not saying it's acceptable, just that it's realistic. Jimmy Carr is not a big mover and shaker and has no real power, so the govt can go after him and his ilk and get them to cough up, but when it comes to a behemoth like Vodafone, or BP, or Tesco, then he has to be a little bit careful there as they have real power.

Labour knew it too, which is why they didn't close the boltholes either.

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over a year ago

"If it is so morally questionable why have the loopholes not been sewn up?

I think we all know the answer.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Since we have a cabinet stacked with inherited wealth (how many Eton old boys? Can anyone here afford those fees?) it's pretty rich of Dave to name and shame someone who created his own wealth and then took advice on the best method of legally paying the least tax.

As has been mentioned before, the pm's family have convoluted off-shore scemes in place to keep as much as possible out of the hands of HMRC.

As another self employed person, we take advice from our accountants. If mine said do this, do that, sign here and you'll only pay x amount next year and it's all totally legal then I would do it. I wouldn't be asking for an explanation of how it works or a discussion of the ethics. This is why I have an accountant, to find the most advantageous and legal way of doing my accounts.

And yet I still believe in paying my dues to the country. I simply think that the tax avoidance by large companies is costing the country far more than that of any individual and should be addressed first. Deal with the big boys and then work down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since we have a cabinet stacked with inherited wealth (how many Eton old boys? Can anyone here afford those fees?) it's pretty rich of Dave to name and shame someone who created his own wealth and then took advice on the best method of legally paying the least tax.

As has been mentioned before, the pm's family have convoluted off-shore scemes in place to keep as much as possible out of the hands of HMRC.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As another self employed person, we take advice from our accountants. If mine said do this, do that, sign here and you'll only pay x amount next year and it's all totally legal then I would do it. I wouldn't be asking for an explanation of how it works or a discussion of the ethics. This is why I have an accountant, to find the most advantageous and legal way of doing my accounts.

Don't you find it difficult standing on the moral high ground whilst 'legally' paying as little tax as possible yourself?

As for dealing with the big boys and then working down, how far down do you want them to go - should they stop just before they get to your level of legal tax avoidance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i'd do the same if i had the chance, fk paying tax if you dont have to

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

blah blah blah.. the rich .. nepotism ..... you can almost predict exactly what someone is going to say about conservatism.

your opening line is ironic to the nth degree..

its not only conservatism, blair embraced thatchers ideology also..

its not blah blah blah when your local PCT is taken over and run by Virgin or becomes a 'social enterprise'..

its not blah blah blah when your local Police station is staffed by some employees from a private company..

and its not blah blah blah when your 999 call to a fire control centre has you in a queue as the operators are dealing with 'outsourced business'..

said before Wishy, its not about blue, red or even green (yellow or orange is finished methinks)..

its about what the 'establishment', yes the 'rich' if thats what you prefer are doing to the country..

'your' lot are going too far with the NHS imo, 'they' wont be the ones whose kids kids have to live with it...

yours and mine will, regardless of which bunch of muppets we prefer to shaft us its still a shafting m8..

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over a year ago

its about what the 'establishment', yes the 'rich' if thats what you prefer are doing to the country..

'your' lot are going too far with the NHS imo, 'they' wont be the ones whose kids kids have to live with it...

yours and mine will, regardless of which bunch of muppets we prefer to shaft us its still a shafting m8.. "

It's the natural pecking order of things. Those at the top wil lalways do whatever they can to remain there. In politics, they have to be seen to be doing something for the rest of the plebs but ultimately it's their own nests they are feathering, regardless of which party or which class of people they claim to they represent.

As for the NHS, it's my favourite subject and I long for the day someone has the gonads to say, "it's fucked, it's corrupt, and we're getting rid of it." But only if an absolutely incorruptible system is put in place to replace it. I know how I'd do it but it would piss off the very people I spoke of in the first sentence of this post. Nobody really believes a pair of surgical gloves costs £10, or a scalpel is £50, someone is creaming off the top and we're paying for it. If the NHS was a private company it's directors would be had up on fraud charges.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Fabio, HMRC IS the 'preferential creditor' in football too. However, league rules, to protect other clubs, state that if other clubs are not paid in full, then the defaulting club would be severely punished, possibly expelled from the league. This would render the club worthless & would fold, so receivers have to ensure the club remains in the league as a priority.

Rangers is an unusual case. The avoidance was long, & large scale, and HMRC decided to 'pull the plug', as they had no hope of ever recovering their money. I am actually very interested in what rules are going to be bent & broken, to allow Rangers back, as Scottish football will die without both Rangers & Celtic.

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over a year ago

This is all down to the government for letting this happen. No body should be allowed to get away with not paying their share. I do accept that what he has done is perfectly legal but morally wrong. Have to admire home for apologising. What I do not like is the way he has been singled out. Lots of people are getting away with it every day. And what about the politicians? They are the last people to be complaining about him. Have they forgotten about the expenses scandal. They abused their position and some of them have broken the law with what they have done. People in glass houses and all that.....

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over a year ago

"This is all down to the government for letting this happen. No body should be allowed to get away with not paying their share. I do accept that what he has done is perfectly legal but morally wrong. Have to admire home for apologising. What I do not like is the way he has been singled out. Lots of people are getting away with it every day. And what about the politicians? They are the last people to be complaining about him. Have they forgotten about the expenses scandal. They abused their position and some of them have broken the law with what they have done. People in glass houses and all that....."

Right, so because the MPs have been caught with their noses in the trough everyone else should be allowed to do the same? That's a bit like saying if policemen break the law everyone else can break the law with impunity too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

David Cameron has described tax avoidance as being morally repugnant.

It's good to see that he learnt such a strong ethical awareness when he studied at Eton College, registered charity number 1139086.

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