FabSwingers.com forum: Should cat owners be fined for letting their cats out?

By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

How come dog owners are considered irresponsible if they let their pets roam the streets but cat owners are not?

The cats wander about in other people's gardens.... shitting.... trying to kill stuff.... piss on your shrubs and shitting some more. In the evening as they wander through the gardens they set off the security lights one by one like the pavement in the Billy Jean video.... then a short while later wander back and do it all again.... and who pays for all that?... Not the cat owners!

Cat owners who let their cats out to roam free are irresponsible people..... and it shouldn't be allowed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

let them come in our garden, meet our staffie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because cats are not designed to be kept indoors..

I have 4 cats though, although only 1 goes out as he is nearly a year where as the others are babies.

What do you mean about killing things though, birds and small creatures.. well I dont know.. lets stop the whole of the animal kingdom from following nature shall we.

Cats kill birds and mice.. It never upsets me, or causes me any bother.. Only time I have had a problem was when a cat I used to have took a liking to a neighbours koi carp.. That was only because out of respect I had to pay to replace each one.

My cat actually doesn't chase birds.. his latest interest is chasing dogs.. he does on occassion catch mice and has caught one rat. When a kitten, him and his brother did get one of the hamsters and killed her.. but it was nothing to be cross about.

So no.. I don't think cat owners should be sued.. as they are just being cats... a cat isn't really likely to rip someone to bits for being out and about.. a dog could.

Cali

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By *tensonSwingersCouple
over a year ago

Stenson Fields

Well, as an owner of both cats and dogs, I think if a small feline causes you so much distress, and if the greatest thing you have to worry about is a bit of cat shit in your garden, then you truly have a Blessed life...

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By *tensonSwingersCouple
over a year ago

Stenson Fields

"let them come in our garden, meet our staffie

I bet my Japanese Akita against your staffy and I'll raise you a Presa Canario

Staffys to My Presa are like mice to a cat!

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By *harax1985Man
over a year ago

Edlington

You know the phrase "It's like herding cats"?

You realise that phrase exists because herding cats, or getting them to do anything you want, is a really hard thing to do, right? As opposed to Dogs, which are quite easy to keep under control because they don't jump that high, and are quite heavily domesticated.

Cat owners can't do anything about cats - keeping cats indoors or restrained (if they're not already an indoorsy cat) leads to behavioral problems because they're not allowed to express instinctive behaviors tied to roaming, and they can quite easily develop diabetes.

Also, they set off security lights? big fucking deal, if you buy lights that are activated by motion, then motion will activate them. If you don't want a cat to activate them (or a badger, or a hedgehog) then mount them higher or get a more sophisticated set of security lights.

As for your garden, there are all kinds of protective measures you can put down, from odour pellets to automatic sprinklers or ultrasonic posts. It's your garden, you pay for protecting it, just like you pay for the alarms in your house or car.

As for making cat owners pay, what about strays?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"let them come in our garden, meet our staffie

My friend and next door but one house has a staffie... He is terrified of my cat.. lol

But as I said my cat has decided that its fun to sit on top of my wall and annoy all the local dogs as they are going to the park.. his to favs at present are a rotwieler, and a huskey.. lol he really does have no brains at times.

cali

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

But it is MY garden. I have to clean up other people's pet shit... in MY garden. They dig up MY plants when chucking their shit about. Some of the plants I have grown from seed ... herbs and veg.... stuff I paid for and grew for months.... distroyed in MY garden.

The fence I paid for, which I painted, used as a sratching post... in MY garden. One panel broken where they hit it so hard chasing eachother. And now the last straw.... they have become interested in what is in the pond.... in MY garden.

I doubt you would be best pleased if I came to your home, broke the fence on the way in, took a shit on your kitchen floor and then trod a few of your plants into it before kicking your pet across the livingroom.

So why should I out up with cats fucking up my property?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"How come dog owners are considered irresponsible if they let their pets roam the streets but cat owners are not?

Cat owners who let their cats out to roam free are irresponsible people..... and it shouldn't be allowed!"
Domestic cats are protected by law and it is an offence to trap, injure or kill them.

The welfare of cats must not be ignored. Remember that cats, even if they are unwelcome in your garden, may be someone's much-loved pet.

Some people have called for legislation introduced to curb the freedom with which cats are allowed to roam.

I do agree however that people should be made to have them neutered and feral cats need to be sorted....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But it is MY garden. I have to clean up other people's pet shit... in MY garden. They dig up MY plants when chucking their shit about. Some of the plants I have grown from seed ... herbs and veg.... stuff I paid for and grew for months.... distroyed in MY garden.

So why should I out up with cats fucking up my property?"

As people have said there are humane ways to deter cats from going in your garden...

Cats are cats.. there are plenty of devices out there to deter them...

Nothing you can do I am afraid.

oh and if anyone kicked one of my cats, they would find themselves getting the sharp end of my tongue, and most likely my boot.

I dont like dogs... but wouldnt be cruel to one.

Cali

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By *tensonSwingersCouple
over a year ago

Stenson Fields

So why should I out up with cats fucking up my property?"

Lifes a bitch and so probably is the cat!

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

whats the world coming

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By *tensonSwingersCouple
over a year ago

Stenson Fields

So why should I out up with cats fucking up my property?"

what sort of 'HERBS' are you growing by the way

And if you want to deter them, simply sprinkle black peppercorns around your herbacious borders....cats detest black pepper!

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

So why should I out up with cats fucking up my property?"
If you know where the cats are from go see the owners...if they are feral contact the RSPCA, i know that they do take complaints about feral cats seriously

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Well if the cats are someone's much loved pets... they should take better care of them... as the cats aren't feeling the love here at the moment

But it is still the principle.

If kids were doing it, the parents would be blamed.

If dogs do anything wrong, the owners would be blamed.

If you opened the local newspaper and read "Mrs Brenda Jones, 84, pictured here next to her empty window boxes after they were distroyed by vandals last night. Brenda found the seedlings she had planted scattered on the floor and the window boxes contaminated with fecal matter"... people would be appalled. So if the result is the same... why is it OK if it is someone's cat doing it?

Distruction of property, no matter what that property is, under any other circumstance would be considered wrong.

Yet cat owners seem to think they and their cats are beyond reproach and it doesnn't count because it was a cat.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

My cat is now locked in cause two women threatened to take her and keep her. Someone took her to the vets last week as she had cut her paw and when she brought her home she refused to take any money for the bill, she used to live at tesco but shes not going out now. Plus the woman who paid the bill has been round to "visit" her.

However, i can see the view from the other side cause im not keen on dogs and i fucking hate it when people let there dogs come up and sniff you or expect you to pat and speak to them

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By *harax1985Man
over a year ago

Edlington

So lawyer up and sue them. Go for it, you can sue for pretty much anything, there's just a high chance it'll get thrown out.

You'll either win, or get what you want, or lose, and learn the answer to the question "why is it OK if it is someone's cat doing it?". It'll be explained to you, by a judge, while he's awarding damages to your neighbour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a cat and a dog are watching a mn put up a picture.

the dog says" your so clever and great i love you so much"

cat says"thats crooked"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry but there are plenty of deterents out there to stop cats coming in your garden.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cats will be cats, suck it up and deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why wouldnt cats go out?

Cat love their freedom

Stop moaning about few mess or noise from cats

I aint got any but got nothing against all the cats wandering in my garden

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one owns a cat a cat just chooses to share your home with you, we as humans have no control over them they are not like dogs you can't train them to behave in a particular manner to suit your needs so i cannot see how an "owner" of any cat can be held resposible for the cats behaviour

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"sorry but there are plenty of deterents out there to stop cats coming in your garden.

Yes... but yet again here it is... the attitude of it's your problem to pay to fix it and not the responsibility of the cat owner.

If a dog was coming into my garden and digging it up, the dog owner would be held responsible to keep the dog in the owner's garden.... not everyone else must pay to keep it out of theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A house is not a home without a cat

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"why wouldnt cats go out?

Cat love their freedom

Stop moaning about few mess or noise from cats

I aint got any but got nothing against all the cats wandering in my garden"

Can I come and shit in your wardrobe?

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"No one owns a cat a cat just chooses to share your home with you, we as humans have no control over them they are not like dogs you can't train them to behave in a particular manner to suit your needs so i cannot see how an "owner" of any cat can be held resposible for the cats behaviour"

Really? So there are no indoor cats? People who live in blocks of flats never own cats?

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

Have a loaded sooper soaker ready and get it when you see it.. We have a cat comes in to fish in our pond .. we have had to put fence all round it now and the little blighter just sits and peers at them through it ..he tried reaching over but fell in pond so just looks now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cat owners who let their cats out to roam free are irresponsible people..... and it shouldn't be allowed!"

And if it shouldn't be allowed, please do enlighten us as to what should be done to not allow it.

All the worries n strifes in the world and you're bitchin about a kitty. I want your life is its that devoid of stresses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my neighbourhood is completley over run with cats,it really anoys me when they have kittens and pass them to the neighbours then the kittens have kittens its neverending.nutering is free where i am and the owners know it(ive even posted leaflets through letterboxes) it really frustrates me,all you can hear is cats mating all the time,then they come use my garden as a litter tray?cat shit is full of all kinds of disease and it stink my advice is get a water gun and squirt them with it,it doesnt harm the cats and they hate it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but some cat owners do take responsibility.. I had to pay for the carp my previous cat took from the neighbours pond.

They came with a photo of my cat looking rather pleased with himself as he fished their pond.

Now I paid because I felt bad for their fish.. not because I thought my cat had done anything wrong.

My neighbour gardens for a living.. my cats never touch his seedlings.. he has them covered..

You dont really own a cat the way that you own a dog.. A cat is rather an independent creature. I look after and feed mine.. I give them affection, and they reward me with company, but if they decide to move on then they will.. its just how cats are.

You can keep cats in.. but even my 3 month old kittens are desperate to get out in the great outdoors..

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why wouldnt cats go out?

Cat love their freedom

Stop moaning about few mess or noise from cats

I aint got any but got nothing against all the cats wandering in my garden

Can I come and shit in your wardrobe?"

someone's got a right bee in their bonnet! Why don't you go spread pepper & put a net over your pond instead of moaning on a forum?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really? So there are no indoor cats? People who live in blocks of flats never own cats?"

Granted there are indoor cats but they are unable to control their behavour other than containing it within a building which personally i feel is cruel cats should not be contained thats going against their natural instincts to roam free and hunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"sorry but there are plenty of deterents out there to stop cats coming in your garden.

Yes... but yet again here it is... the attitude of it's your problem to pay to fix it and not the responsibility of the cat owner.

If a dog was coming into my garden and digging it up, the dog owner would be held responsible to keep the dog in the owner's garden.... not everyone else must pay to keep it out of theirs."

why should i have to pay for locks on my doors just to stop a thief?

why should i pay for a fence around my house to stop nosey neighbours?

why should i have to pay for clothes to walk around in just to stop offending people.

why should we have to pay for anything that may be some one elses responsibilty?

its life thats why.....

if you know the owners, go and speak to them... and put some deterents down and ask the owners if they will meet you half way on the cost. collect evidence and then threaten to sue for damages if they dont control them.

if it bothers you that much it is a small price to pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where are the cat police who are gonna stop the moggies going out?

it's a bit uninforcible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why wouldnt cats go out?

Cat love their freedom

Stop moaning about few mess or noise from cats

I aint got any but got nothing against all the cats wandering in my garden

Can I come and shit in your wardrobe?"

Yes feel free to do so if my wardrobe is in my garden and wide opened

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cali that made me laugh that they took a photo of your kitty! Cats do have a smile don't they?! Perhaps if they'd put the camera down & shooed your cat away you'd have been a few quid lighter! A friend has a beautiful Bengal who is also very fond of bringing the neighbours fish home!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cali that made me laugh that they took a photo of your kitty! Cats do have a smile don't they?! Perhaps if they'd put the camera down & shooed your cat away you'd have been a few quid lighter! A friend has a beautiful Bengal who is also very fond of bringing the neighbours fish home!"

My cat was half bengal

they do love water.. saying that the four I have now seem to as well..

My big cat to be fair doesnt roam much.. he walks the garden fence and apart from annoying the local dogs, doesnt go far.. He does use the tree line either at the edge of the park, or the back of the houses as his litter tray.. but its not really somewhere that people are going to complain about it.

Although I like to pretty much know where my cats are..

as to the one they took the photo of... this was the third one he had taken and they had set up a cctv and then freeze framed it... They were good about it and actually hadnt asked me to pay.. they just thought they would show me...

After that they put up a sonic deterrent and put a net over the pond.

To be fair my cats come when I call... and if I go out.. my big cat is on the wall when I go ( he tries to come with me) and is there when I get back.

He is in every night from about 11:30pm and if I dont let him in he knocks on my bedroom window.

My kittens wont be going out till they have been neutered and spayed..

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds to me like you've got it all under control and your cats are lucky to have you

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

If I took a dog on the park and it crapped, I would be expected to bag it and bin it. When dog owners don't clean up after their pets it is quite common for people to moan about how unpleasant it is.... and also the risk of diseases spreading to children who play on the park.... oh how dog owners need to be responsible.

Yet a child's first play area is the back garden......... and along comes a cat and shits in it..... but that's OK, it's a cat and cats shit anywhere they like without any need for the owner to do anything about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I took a dog on the park and it crapped, I would be expected to bag it and bin it. When dog owners don't clean up after their pets it is quite common for people to moan about how unpleasant it is.... and also the risk of diseases spreading to children who play on the park.... oh how dog owners need to be responsible.

Id not be able to get to where my cat does his business... as its in a treeline that you cant get to unless your a cat, or something of that size...

I still dont see what cat owners can do about it apart from keep cats in.. and that would be cruel to do so.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

cats r actually not owned as such cats will show affection to anyone who feeds them and research has showen that cats often visit a few homes and r concerned a pet by a few owners. if it is your protery then u r responsible for making sure things don't enter it. u say about dogs and people well cats often r chipped if u r that upset catch the cat take it to vet if its chipped they will tell u who owns it and then u can hold them responsible. black pepper and also if u r planting herbs plant lemon balm as cats can't stand it and its really useful for cooking xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they wont come in your garden if you just put down some simple cheap deterent. simple...

we once had a teenager who would watch my ex sunbathing nude in garden. we put up a bigger fence. end of problem...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My little black pussy is fast asleep on his favourite chair. He's not hurting anyone ..... Till later

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My little black pussy is fast asleep on his favourite chair. He's not hurting anyone ..... Till later

my big one is currently sitting on my neighbours shed, with his tail dangling down to wind the dog up.

The kittens are all chasing an annoying blue bottle that has got in and cant get out.. WAs going to swat the fly but they are enjoying chasing it to much

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh and I have a sandpit for my kids.. never had a problem with cats messing in it.. as a) cats dont seem to come in my garden because of my cat...

and b) I cover it up.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How come dog owners are considered irresponsible if they let their pets roam the streets but cat owners are not?

Cat owners who let their cats out to roam free are irresponsible people..... and it shouldn't be allowed!"

ok ok,, so lets ask a simple question....to OP

what do you think the solution is???

while your thinking about it, think about who will pay for the policing of your solution, who will pay to put it into action and follow up and prosecute etc etc...

we all will..... why should we? your garden, your problem and you have an easy solution as has been suggested by many posters....

sorry but thats life.. we all have things that piss us off and often we cant do a diddly about it....

ho hum.. gotta go cos i gotta go and find the driver of that van that polluted my garden with all those horrible exhaust fumes..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My cats are too scared to poo outside , they only ever go in their litter tray. Annoyingly they save any puke for indoors too.

Dogs roaming free will trample your plants and could be dangerous. How many stories do you hear of cats killing or biting the face off a small child?

I have experienced other cats pooing in my garden all from next door, I told them and they didn't care so I just returned the poo to their garden and it quickly stopped!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You must have too much spare time to moan about a cat in this way! My cat is an indoor cat as I live in a flat but I think you are being a bit o.t.t over the issue! It's life get over it! Not like the cats a rapist or a murderer....or is it

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"why wouldnt cats go out?

Cat love their freedom

Stop moaning about few mess or noise from cats

I aint got any but got nothing against all the cats wandering in my garden

Can I come and shit in your wardrobe?

someone's got a right bee in their bonnet! Why don't you go spread pepper & put a net over your pond instead of moaning on a forum?!"

Why should I spoil the aesthetics of my pond to keep other people's pets under control? Shouldn't they put a net over their garden to stop the cats getting out? It is their pet after all.

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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"How come dog owners are considered irresponsible if they let their pets roam the streets but cat owners are not?

Cat owners who let their cats out to roam free are irresponsible people..... and it shouldn't be allowed!

ok ok,, so lets ask a simple question....to OP

what do you think the solution is???

while your thinking about it, think about who will pay for the policing of your solution, who will pay to put it into action and follow up and prosecute etc etc...

we all will..... why should we? your garden, your problem and you have an easy solution as has been suggested by many posters....

sorry but thats life.. we all have things that piss us off and often we cant do a diddly about it....

ho hum.. gotta go cos i gotta go and find the driver of that van that polluted my garden with all those horrible exhaust fumes.."

Well, as some of the 'cats can do anything' posse seem to think if a cat kills one of your pets in your garden, then slipping them a few quid sorts it all out... so I recon if a cat or two dies in my garden, slipping the owner a few notes should square it all out... problem sorted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i actually think this person is enjoying moaning as many cheap and easy methods have been meantioned and still moaning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How come dog owners are considered irresponsible if they let their pets roam the streets but cat owners are not?

Cat owners who let their cats out to roam free are irresponsible people..... and it shouldn't be allowed!

ok ok,, so lets ask a simple question....to OP

what do you think the solution is???

while your thinking about it, think about who will pay for the policing of your solution, who will pay to put it into action and follow up and prosecute etc etc...

we all will..... why should we? your garden, your problem and you have an easy solution as has been suggested by many posters....

sorry but thats life.. we all have things that piss us off and often we cant do a diddly about it....

ho hum.. gotta go cos i gotta go and find the driver of that van that polluted my garden with all those horrible exhaust fumes..

as someone said its illegal to kill one so good luck with explaining yourself to the police

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How come dog owners are considered irresponsible if they let their pets roam the streets but cat owners are not?

Cat owners who let their cats out to roam free are irresponsible people..... and it shouldn't be allowed!

ok ok,, so lets ask a simple question....to OP

what do you think the solution is???

while your thinking about it, think about who will pay for the policing of your solution, who will pay to put it into action and follow up and prosecute etc etc...

we all will..... why should we? your garden, your problem and you have an easy solution as has been suggested by many posters....

sorry but thats life.. we all have things that piss us off and often we cant do a diddly about it....

ho hum.. gotta go cos i gotta go and find the driver of that van that polluted my garden with all those horrible exhaust fumes..

as someone said its illegal to kill one so good luck with explaining yourself to the police "

Don't know what pet a cat would be killing though...

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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"You must have too much spare time to moan about a cat in this way! My cat is an indoor cat as I live in a flat but I think you are being a bit o.t.t over the issue! It's life get over it! Not like the cats a rapist or a murderer....or is it

Oh come on you've gotta laugh at the attitude of it being everyone else's problem to fix other than the actual cat owner.

If it were any other pet or even children wrecking stuff, killing other pets and shitting in your garden there would be a totally different reaction.

But it seems cats are to the pets world what single fems are to the swinging world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know what pet a cat would be killing though...

I am guessing its refering to the fish in a pond. I had someone kill one of my cats... I had to be kept from hurting him in return...

Cats catching birds, small creatures and fish is nature.. a human being hurting a cat isnt.

I cant abide any animal cruelty...

Cali

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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"i actually think this person is enjoying moaning as many cheap and easy methods have been meantioned and still moaning "

Actually *cough* ... I am questioning the logic (or lack of) presented in defence of cats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, as some of the 'cats can do anything' posse seem to think if a cat kills one of your pets in your garden, then slipping them a few quid sorts it all out... so I recon if a cat or two dies in my garden, slipping the owner a few notes should square it all out... problem sorted."

I'm sure the RSPCA would be interested in that view as to me that reads like you'd be making sure poor moggies didn't make it out of your precious garden.

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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I'm sure the RSPCA would be interested in that view as to me that reads like you'd be making sure poor moggies didn't make it out of your precious garden. "

Read it how you like.

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over a year ago

I do always find it strange. From a cars point of view it's fine to have several homes. But I think that unless you are the 'owner', (using the term loosely, and I'm sure you know what I mean). You shouldn't feed it , or let it into your home, or consider it a pet.

After all you they would expect the real 'owner' to reimburse them if they paid a vets bill.

To the op: if someone walked their cat I to your garden the sure, try should pick it up, but you can't expect them to know without seeing what the cat does.

And like others have said, it really is your responsibility to protect your property.

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over a year ago

Oh come on you've gotta laugh at the attitude of it being everyone else's problem to fix other than the actual cat owner.

If it were any other pet or even children wrecking stuff, killing other pets and shitting in your garden there would be a totally different reaction.

But it seems cats are to the pets world what single fems are to the swinging world."

Cat's are fucking awesome independant creatures there's not much you can do but just get over it! There's no real damage being done. You're not in any danger or going to die. The world not going to end. Just be happy and stop worrying about something so minor!

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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Oops, meant to add....

But it is funny people jump up and down at the suggestion of a cat being killed but no comments of how awful for the people who have lost pets to cats.

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over a year ago

I would love your trouble free existence where all I had to worry about was a bit of kitty shit and a few scratches on a fence.

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over a year ago

"i actually think this person is enjoying moaning as many cheap and easy methods have been meantioned and still moaning

Actually *cough* ... I am questioning the logic (or lack of) presented in defence of cats."

there is no logic.. cats are cats.. they kinda do as they please.. they dont like the restraints.. I have had two in the past that have just moved.. as they are rather unfaithful sometimes.

I find my cats a great companion.. and to be fair dont have any of the problems your mentioning.. but then my cats do spend 99% of their time in my house ( even the big one) or sat on the walls or fences.

I have no cat mess in my garden, but plenty of hedgehog and occasional fox... reason being cats stay away from other cats areas..

So if you dont want a cat to cause you bother.. get a cat..

Cali

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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"I do always find it strange. From a cars point of view it's fine to have several homes. But I think that unless you are the 'owner', (using the term loosely, and I'm sure you know what I mean). You shouldn't feed it , or let it into your home, or consider it a pet.

After all you they would expect the real 'owner' to reimburse them if they paid a vets bill.

To the op: if someone walked their cat I to your garden the sure, try should pick it up, but you can't expect them to know without seeing what the cat does.

And like others have said, it really is your responsibility to protect your property."

Would you say that if this was about dogs getting out and coming into my garden?

Or.... would that all of a sudden magically be the dog owners responsibility?

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over a year ago

"Oops, meant to add....

But it is funny people jump up and down at the suggestion of a cat being killed but no comments of how awful for the people who have lost pets to cats."

My cats ate my kids hamster.. My kids were a bit upset but didnt get cross with the cats.

and not sure what pets apart from things like hamsters cats will attack.. as I have had rabbits and other small creatures and never had problems with cats attacking them.

Cali

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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"I would love your trouble free existence where all I had to worry about was a bit of kitty shit and a few scratches on a fence. "

You are an odd one aren't you.... do you assume when someone says "Oh the weather today is a bit shit I wanted to have a bbq" it is their only concern in the world?

Let me go and check some other far more trivial threads and see just how many other trouble free lives you long to have. Or are you saving any constructive comment as a surprise

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over a year ago

Would you say that if this was about dogs getting out and coming into my garden?

Or.... would that all of a sudden magically be the dog owners responsibility?"

If your garden was protected there wouldn't be a problem, neither cats or dogs would be able to get in.

Given the behaviour differences between cats and dogs. A dog escaping and doing it would be the owners fault, a cat doing it freely isn't.

Cats have evolved over millions of years and behaved this way for far long than they have been domesticated.

It's a bit unfair to expect to undo millions of years of evolution in a few thousand years of domestication.

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over a year ago

Where's your constructive solution to your cat problem then? All you doin is moaning

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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" There's no real damage being done. "

Really?

People have got ASBO's for less in the past.

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over a year ago

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Would you say that if this was about dogs getting out and coming into my garden?

Or.... would that all of a sudden magically be the dog owners responsibility?

If your garden was protected there wouldn't be a problem, neither cats or dogs would be able to get in.

Given the behaviour differences between cats and dogs. A dog escaping and doing it would be the owners fault, a cat doing it freely isn't.

Cats have evolved over millions of years and behaved this way for far long than they have been domesticated.

It's a bit unfair to expect to undo millions of years of evolution in a few thousand years of domestication."

Sorry to piss on your theory here... but don't we do that with all other pets?

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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"Where's your constructive solution to your cat problem then? All you doin is moaning

Yeah right OK... I am the only one moaning.... I'm guess I can't do that but cats can will be the next bit.

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over a year ago

" There's no real damage being done.

Really?

People have got ASBO's for less in the past."

So people should have an asbo for their cat being a cat?

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over a year ago

to be honest there is little you can do to stop cats.. Even the law recognises that cats are not owned.

For instance.. run a dog over and as they are owned, you have to try and find the owner and report it.. Run a cat over and its the same as any other wild creature.. ( unless its a dear or something but think if you hit a dear you would need to report it anyway)

I once had someone steal my cat.. and it was microchipped.. I was told that I couldnt really do anything about it as people dont really own cats.. and unless the cat came back of its own free will that there was little that could be done.

Cali

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over a year ago

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" There's no real damage being done.

Really?

People have got ASBO's for less in the past.

So people should have an asbo for their cat being a cat?

Don't be silly... they scrapped ASBO's.

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over a year ago

"Where's your constructive solution to your cat problem then? All you doin is moaning

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over a year ago

I wasnt suggesting you can't moan, I'm asking you what your solution is. How do you make owners accountable and how would you make it enforceable. Enlighten us

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

In the UK the law considers cats to be free spirits with a legal right to roam, and they cannot be accused of trespass nor can their owner be held responsible if they do. Domestic cats are protected by law and it is an offence to trap, injure or kill them

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" There's no real damage being done.

Really?

People have got ASBO's for less in the past.

So people should have an asbo for their cat being a cat?

Don't be silly... they scrapped ASBO's."

and another

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" There's no real damage being done.

Really?

People have got ASBO's for less in the past."
one woman in our local town in her 60s find 100s of pounds for putting her fag out in the street ..... I have two cats thay will not go away from the house .. i am in the country just feilds no one close .... But on a rear day had a cat come around my dogs run after them .... maybe get a dog ?? I can under stand when you make your garden look lovely and there cat crap in the flowers .. and when your taking the s out getting a hand full of crap its not nice .

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over a year ago

My dad was upset about cats shitting on his lovely garden.

He scooped it all up and deposited it at the door of the cats owner.

She got the police and two officers turned up ..they maybe expected a struggle but he was 84.

He said he was simply returning the owners property.

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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For instance.. run a dog over and as they are owned, you have to try and find the owner and report it.. Run a cat over and its the same as any other wild creature.. ... "

Cali, I do hope you are not suggesting I leave an open tin of cat food on the driveway under my car................ but it is a corking idea

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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"In the UK the law considers cats to be free spirits with a legal right to roam, and they cannot be accused of trespass nor can their owner be held responsible if they do. Domestic cats are protected by law and it is an offence to trap, injure or kill them"

And just has the law has changed with regards to dogs.... so it can on cats... if the cat owners weren't so keen on defending their irresponsibility.

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

cats - dogs to totaly different animals and laws to go with them, anyone who knows more about animals than me feel free to explaine why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you say that if this was about dogs getting out and coming into my garden?

Or.... would that all of a sudden magically be the dog owners responsibility?

If your garden was protected there wouldn't be a problem, neither cats or dogs would be able to get in.

Given the behaviour differences between cats and dogs. A dog escaping and doing it would be the owners fault, a cat doing it freely isn't.

Cats have evolved over millions of years and behaved this way for far long than they have been domesticated.

It's a bit unfair to expect to undo millions of years of evolution in a few thousand years of domestication.

Sorry to piss on your theory here... but don't we do that with all other pets?"

It's not MY theory. It's not even a theory, unless your questioning evolution. Which technically is a theory.

Yes we have done it with other animals, but we don't limit their behavious. Dogs for example are pack animals, so the humans in the mind of the dog become part of the pack and form the roles of members of the back.

As has been said before, cats roam.

Limiting natural behavious can cause serious psychological problems. Horses are good example.

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over a year ago

see i can see where she is coming from i am a animal lover have dogs cats horses sheep ...... its just my mum and dad love there garden spend 1000s on it ...... and if thay had cats craping would go mad . Its not easy you cant stand gard 24/7. x

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By *he_original_polo OP Woman
over a year ago

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Well it has been entertaining anyway.

I can't help but think if I had posted a thread which went more along the lines of....

My elderly neighbour is really upset. The chav's kids from down the road went garden hopping last night and have ripped up all the plants she grew from seed and had planted out. She doesn't have much money and it's too late to start off any more seeds. They keep her security light on most of the night and by the end of the week she is struggling to not use her cooker in case her electric card runs out. Last night the little bastards shit in her garden and kicked a hole in her fence. Worst of all, they killed the fish her late husband bought her"

Hmmmm would the replies have been the same?

Would people be saying it's her fault for not having a bigger fence or a better security light?

Would people be saying "oh boys will be boys, it's only a few plants and a bit of shit"

Would people be saying "well if that is all she has to worry about, she's got it good"

I think not.

It is funny, in a slightly sad and twisted sort of way, that any empathy for a person's loss of property, pets, food is met with such apathy when it is done by a cat.... yet the same damage done to your granny's garden and pets by kids would no doubt cause rage.