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"Is it gay for a man to receive oral from another man? Not that I’ve been actively looking for it but I seem to get a lot of offers for discreet BJ’s and even through a glory hole so we don’t even have to look at each other? What’s your thoughts? I mean I’d rather have a girl but no one seem interested ??" It doesn't make you gay. But it sounds like you are curious and theres nothing wrong with that. | |||
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"Gay or bi if you need a label " ^This really. If you want to play sexually with a person of the same sex, however much ppl might like to deny it as a temporary or none enjoyable state, you're still it even if temporarily and liable to be it again.... ....but what does a label even mean? | |||
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"Is it gay for a man to receive oral from another man? Not that I’ve been actively looking for it but I seem to get a lot of offers for discreet BJ’s and even through a glory hole so we don’t even have to look at each other? What’s your thoughts? I mean I’d rather have a girl but no one seem interested ?? It doesn't make you gay. But it sounds like you are curious and theres nothing wrong with that. " This also..... | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi??" In my opinion yeah. | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? In my opinion yeah. " But I don’t like labels. I’m not even sure what I am. I’m just me. Just be you. | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi??" Being involved in a sexual act with a person of your own sex makes you bi - what difference does it make anyway? | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi??" Bi shmi. I hate labels. Most of the time it's women all the way with me. Occasionally there's nothing better than cock. Is it Fab Straight, bi- or what? Don't know, don't care. It's what I feel like in the moment. One of the BJ's ever was a bloke. Try it, you might just like it. | |||
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"Is it gay for a man to receive oral from another man? Not that I’ve been actively looking for it but I seem to get a lot of offers for discreet BJ’s and even through a glory hole so we don’t even have to look at each other? What’s your thoughts? I mean I’d rather have a girl but no one seem interested ??" Do I understand this correctly. You’re thinking of having a guy suck your cock because you can’t find a woman to do it? | |||
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"Interesting. I was curious to know if it’s a thing a lot of me do. While still denying that they’re bi. But I suppose that’s a whole other topic. I bet there’s a lot out there that deny being bi when they, in actual fact, have engaged in sexual activities with other me. But then I always thing about porn where it’s MMF and they’re doing double lent ration and their dicks touch ect... how far do you go" Bi MMF porn turns me on ... | |||
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"Is it gay for a man to receive oral from another man? Not that I’ve been actively looking for it but I seem to get a lot of offers for discreet BJ’s and even through a glory hole so we don’t even have to look at each other? What’s your thoughts? I mean I’d rather have a girl but no one seem interested ?? Do I understand this correctly. You’re thinking of having a guy suck your cock because you can’t find a woman to do it? " Well it’s just on a plate for me on this website, from guys. No woman seems interested at this stage hha | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi??" Well that would depend perhaps on whether knowing it was a bloke on the otherwise of the glory hole would be a turn on, ot whether it would make your blue balls shrivel up into your intestines. | |||
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"Is it gay for a man to receive oral from another man? Not that I’ve been actively looking for it but I seem to get a lot of offers for discreet BJ’s and even through a glory hole so we don’t even have to look at each other? What’s your thoughts? I mean I’d rather have a girl but no one seem interested ?? Do I understand this correctly. You’re thinking of having a guy suck your cock because you can’t find a woman to do it? " Refer to my earlier "labelling" Situationally bi Desperationally bi. | |||
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"Interesting. I was curious to know if it’s a thing a lot of me do. While still denying that they’re bi. But I suppose that’s a whole other topic. I bet there’s a lot out there that deny being bi when they, in actual fact, have engaged in sexual activities with other me. But then I always thing about porn where it’s MMF and they’re doing double lent ration and their dicks touch ect... how far do you go" There is a lot trust me I would say about 90% off men on fab are bi even if they profiles says straight and would say there’s only about 10% true straight guys on hear And if any one wants to say different then why do I get 600-700 page views a day and over 200 message a day 90% off them comeing form straight guys | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Well that would depend perhaps on whether knowing it was a bloke on the otherwise of the glory hole would be a turn on, ot whether it would make your blue balls shrivel up into your intestines. " That’s a very good point, and if I’m honest, the thought of another man with a stubbly beard putting his lips around my cock really does make me shrivel up. So chances are I’d get there and that would be the case. I just wanted to know peoples opinion on the matter | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi??" Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold. | |||
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"You don't need to put labels on everything though I wouldn't say you were straight if you did just somewhere in the Grey. " Yeah I agree! | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold." Guys message me saying they like that I am straight and they just really want to suck my cock and even through a glory hole so I’m only explaining the situation and sharing my opinion | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold. Guys message me saying they like that I am straight and they just really want to suck my cock and even through a glory hole so I’m only explaining the situation and sharing my opinion" I get that - it's just the way you're explaining it that I take exception to - you're reducing sex and sexuality to a very transactional level that comes across as desperate. Phrases like "it's win/win right" and "I get to empty my balls" for me takes the sensuality and meaning out of it and debases sex to being a selfish act where all that matters is getting your end away regardless. Now if that's what you and your sexual partners want and all are happy then fair enough but in my opinion it's just cold and pointless - especially when you're effectively pretending to be something you're not for the sake of sex and because you're unable to find what you really want. | |||
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"Is it gay for a man to receive oral from another man? Not that I’ve been actively looking for it but I seem to get a lot of offers for discreet BJ’s and even through a glory hole so we don’t even have to look at each other? What’s your thoughts? I mean I’d rather have a girl but no one seem interested ??" No it's not, but you can catch "the gay" from it. | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold. Guys message me saying they like that I am straight and they just really want to suck my cock and even through a glory hole so I’m only explaining the situation and sharing my opinion" Keep in mind that this is the internet. | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold." yes I find it very cold too , I've had guys asking to visit me for the sole purpose of emptying Thier balls and saying I'm a straight guy and never done this before etc I give them short shrift , not using me as a last resort ! | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold. Guys message me saying they like that I am straight and they just really want to suck my cock and even through a glory hole so I’m only explaining the situation and sharing my opinion Keep in mind that this is the internet." What happens on the internet... | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold. Guys message me saying they like that I am straight and they just really want to suck my cock and even through a glory hole so I’m only explaining the situation and sharing my opinion Keep in mind that this is the internet. What happens on the internet..." ...... stays on the internet | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold.yes I find it very cold too , I've had guys asking to visit me for the sole purpose of emptying Thier balls and saying I'm a straight guy and never done this before etc I give them short shrift , not using me as a last resort ! " Haha I totally agree with you, but I’m not the one messaging them, I’m the one saying no and I was simply asking for advice on whether I should just go for it or not, and if so, what does that make me? I’m not one for using someone, but they literally put it on a plate so it made me think, would I be a fool to say no to getting my dick sucked | |||
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" Haha I totally agree with you, but I’m not the one messaging them, I’m the one saying no and I was simply asking for advice on whether I should just go for it or not, and if so, what does that make me? I’m not one for using someone, but they literally put it on a plate so it made me think, would I be a fool to say no to getting my dick sucked " Personally I'd say you'd be a fool to say "yes" to getting your dick sucked under those circumstances - ask yourself this is getting your dick sucked really that important that you'd let someone do it, who you weren't attracted to, regardless of their gender, purely for the sake of getting it sucked? And that's without getting onto any feelings of guilt or questioning yourself you might have after because it was another bloke (yes it happens for some men). Unless you are genuinely turned on by the thought of same sex sex I'd question why you were even considering it. | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold.yes I find it very cold too , I've had guys asking to visit me for the sole purpose of emptying Thier balls and saying I'm a straight guy and never done this before etc I give them short shrift , not using me as a last resort ! Haha I totally agree with you, but I’m not the one messaging them, I’m the one saying no and I was simply asking for advice on whether I should just go for it or not, and if so, what does that make me? I’m not one for using someone, but they literally put it on a plate so it made me think, would I be a fool to say no to getting my dick sucked " Do what you fancy fella, at the end of the day it's just sex and and experimenting. I'm straight but I've had sex with the occasional woman before and regretted it in the cold light of day and that didn't kill me. So I don't think it's such a big deal if you try it and don't enjoy it, that just means you were curious but in reality straight. HOWEVER, there is also the possibility to might REALLY enjoy it and release your inner bi..... The fact you've done a thread about it speaks volumes to me..... | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold.yes I find it very cold too , I've had guys asking to visit me for the sole purpose of emptying Thier balls and saying I'm a straight guy and never done this before etc I give them short shrift , not using me as a last resort ! Haha I totally agree with you, but I’m not the one messaging them, I’m the one saying no and I was simply asking for advice on whether I should just go for it or not, and if so, what does that make me? I’m not one for using someone, but they literally put it on a plate so it made me think, would I be a fool to say no to getting my dick sucked Do what you fancy fella, at the end of the day it's just sex and and experimenting. I'm straight but I've had sex with the occasional woman before and regretted it in the cold light of day and that didn't kill me. So I don't think it's such a big deal if you try it and don't enjoy it, that just means you were curious but in reality straight. HOWEVER, there is also the possibility to might REALLY enjoy it and release your inner bi..... The fact you've done a thread about it speaks volumes to me..... " You* might | |||
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" Haha I totally agree with you, but I’m not the one messaging them, I’m the one saying no and I was simply asking for advice on whether I should just go for it or not, and if so, what does that make me? I’m not one for using someone, but they literally put it on a plate so it made me think, would I be a fool to say no to getting my dick sucked Personally I'd say you'd be a fool to say "yes" to getting your dick sucked under those circumstances - ask yourself this is getting your dick sucked really that important that you'd let someone do it, who you weren't attracted to, regardless of their gender, purely for the sake of getting it sucked? And that's without getting onto any feelings of guilt or questioning yourself you might have after because it was another bloke (yes it happens for some men). Unless you are genuinely turned on by the thought of same sex sex I'd question why you were even considering it." You’re right, I’ve not looked at it that way and you’ve made my mind up for me, thanks for your advice! I’m not attracted to men and I wouldn’t want to live with my doubt after that I would inevitably have afterwards. | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold.yes I find it very cold too , I've had guys asking to visit me for the sole purpose of emptying Thier balls and saying I'm a straight guy and never done this before etc I give them short shrift , not using me as a last resort ! Haha I totally agree with you, but I’m not the one messaging them, I’m the one saying no and I was simply asking for advice on whether I should just go for it or not, and if so, what does that make me? I’m not one for using someone, but they literally put it on a plate so it made me think, would I be a fool to say no to getting my dick sucked Do what you fancy fella, at the end of the day it's just sex and and experimenting. I'm straight but I've had sex with the occasional woman before and regretted it in the cold light of day and that didn't kill me. So I don't think it's such a big deal if you try it and don't enjoy it, that just means you were curious but in reality straight. HOWEVER, there is also the possibility to might REALLY enjoy it and release your inner bi..... The fact you've done a thread about it speaks volumes to me..... " Haha I guess you’re right! The saying is, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it I guess. But I don’t want to try it that’s my point so I’ll just stick with my gut and say no?? | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold.yes I find it very cold too , I've had guys asking to visit me for the sole purpose of emptying Thier balls and saying I'm a straight guy and never done this before etc I give them short shrift , not using me as a last resort ! Haha I totally agree with you, but I’m not the one messaging them, I’m the one saying no and I was simply asking for advice on whether I should just go for it or not, and if so, what does that make me? I’m not one for using someone, but they literally put it on a plate so it made me think, would I be a fool to say no to getting my dick sucked Do what you fancy fella, at the end of the day it's just sex and and experimenting. I'm straight but I've had sex with the occasional woman before and regretted it in the cold light of day and that didn't kill me. So I don't think it's such a big deal if you try it and don't enjoy it, that just means you were curious but in reality straight. HOWEVER, there is also the possibility to might REALLY enjoy it and release your inner bi..... The fact you've done a thread about it speaks volumes to me..... Haha I guess you’re right! The saying is, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it I guess. But I don’t want to try it that’s my point so I’ll just stick with my gut and say no??" So why ask a bunch of strangers if you should try something and if it "makes you" gay/bi by trying it or thinking about it, if at the end of the day you are sure it's something that you definitely don't want to try? If that's the case then my judgement would be that you my friend are a straight man looking for any attention you can get. You've just lost mine, have fun with fab and I hope you find that vag you're looking for soon fella...... | |||
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"Is it gay for a man to receive oral from another man? Not that I’ve been actively looking for it but I seem to get a lot of offers for discreet BJ’s and even through a glory hole so we don’t even have to look at each other? What’s your thoughts? I mean I’d rather have a girl but no one seem interested ??" .... as a daisy | |||
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"Is it gay for a man to receive oral from another man?" ...did I log into r/memes accidentally again? | |||
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"It's only gay if you enjoy it! Definitely gay for the one doing the sucking. " bisexual men suck cock so how is it only something a gay man would do ? | |||
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"Sorry I should have rephrased it, not gay but yes Bi. However I don’t find men attractive nor do want to actively receive oral from men. But a lot of guys message me offering and I’m constantly saying no but then I thought to myself. I guess it’s a win-win right? They get what they want and I get to empty my balls? Would that still be labelled Bi?? Sorry but personally the idea of adopting any kind of sexuality just to "empty my balls" would be a complete turn off, likewise if I met someone for whom that was the aim. I'm unashamedly bisexual not to "empty my balls" but because my sexuality dictates that I am open to sex with both men and women and I rather enjoy spending naked time with both. Now each to their own, and if that's how you view your own sexuality and find guys that are happy to allow you to do so, then that's your prerogative but regardless of the gender of a sexual partner I find that kind of attitude pretty cold.yes I find it very cold too , I've had guys asking to visit me for the sole purpose of emptying Thier balls and saying I'm a straight guy and never done this before etc I give them short shrift , not using me as a last resort ! Haha I totally agree with you, but I’m not the one messaging them, I’m the one saying no and I was simply asking for advice on whether I should just go for it or not, and if so, what does that make me? I’m not one for using someone, but they literally put it on a plate so it made me think, would I be a fool to say no to getting my dick sucked " First of all, it's a two way act so both persons, sucker and suckee use each other.The advise on this site will either be, go for it or don't,but remember it is all about what YOU want..Finally,'emptying your balls' can be very mood altering...Worth checking out your feelings after cumming. | |||
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"It’s only gay if eye contact is made " Which eye you talking about.. | |||
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"It’s only gay if eye contact is made Which eye you talking about.. " The brown one of course | |||
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