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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So i was browsing, as one does and a thought hit me that got me curious.

Some folk include the work professional when describing themselves.

Is the word professional here a diplomatic form of snobbery?

What are the expectations?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its certainly an issue of reverse snobbery for lots!!

Don't have an issue with it, its just words on a profile, chosen by people to describe themselves. Use it as a filter if it bothers you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yup definitely snobbery..

After all anyone who is working should be professional in their jobs weather its a shop assistant, cleaner or a lawyer, well that just my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes snobbery without doubt

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

To me personally, it means they won't meet during the daytime. As they are probably working nine til five. But some on here don't like the phrase

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yup definitely snobbery..

After all anyone who is working should be professional in their jobs weather its a shop assistant, cleaner or a lawyer, well that just my opinion "

On that basis there's no such thing as working class? As is if you have a job you're working class? maybe less successful working class for some and more for others?

Labels mean different things to different folk i guess?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To me personally, it means they won't meet during the daytime. As they are probably working nine til five. But some on here don't like the phrase "
Dolly Parton?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't say it bothers me, unless proudly announced but spelled proffessional. In which case they must be shot immediately and have their 'professional' title, stripped from their twitching corpses...

Too much?

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"To me personally, it means they won't meet during the daytime. As they are probably working nine til five. But some on here don't like the phrase Dolly Parton?"

How did you guess I was singing that in my head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To me personally, it means they won't meet during the daytime. As they are probably working nine til five. But some on here don't like the phrase Dolly Parton?

How did you guess I was singing that in my head "

Your curtains are still open.. should I leave your window sill?

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

By its very definition it means you get paid for a job.....

'engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as an amateur'

Some may use it to elevate their social standing I think or to present themselves as distinguished somehow and quite possibly don't understand the meaning of the word and therefore mark themselves out as a little lacking in that particular piece of knowledge.

My job you would hope I was qualified to do so and may apply the word professional to it but it's not a word I would use on something like Fab, it's pretentious.

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By *ulldog_71Man
over a year ago

Sedgefield

Professional is normally used to describe a job you need qualifications for or a management role

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire


"Professional is normally used to describe a job you need qualifications for or a management role"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like that you used the word diplomatic and I put it to you sir that you are indeed some kind of professional yourself

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London


"I like that you used the word diplomatic and I put it to you sir that you are indeed some kind of professional yourself "

Diplomatically professionalised, Sam

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

According to Wikipedia, Professional people don't go to Butlins, Blackpool or Benidorm. Not sure if that's true

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By *aul1973HullMan
over a year ago

East Hull

Everybody with a paid job is a professional. Professional implies you get paid to do something as opposed to an amateur who does the same thing but without pay. Footballer could arguably be used as a bad example

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Its certainly an issue of reverse snobbery for lots!!

Don't have an issue with it, its just words on a profile, chosen by people to describe themselves. Use it as a filter if it bothers you? "

This really....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everybody with a paid job is a professional. Professional implies you get paid to do something as opposed to an amateur who does the same thing but without pay. Footballer could arguably be used as a bad example "
I think a poster above describes it well.

Times change, but historically it described people who studied and attained a professional status on that basis.

Its why only certain people sign likenesses on passport pictures.

I wouldn't describe myself as one, but I certainly know what 'Professional ' is intended to mean.

Some folk who seem bothered by it, are probably the types who feel intimidated by the term. Why? Does Athletic bother you as a description if you aren't?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only professionals drive a Ford Capri

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn’t bother me what people put on their profiles. Does make me chuckle when they spell that word wrong though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Its certainly an issue of reverse snobbery for lots!!

Don't have an issue with it, its just words on a profile, chosen by people to describe themselves. Use it as a filter if it bothers you?

This really.... "

I'll probably form an opinion of someone who would describe themselves as a professional, but equally I'd probably form an even stronger opinion of someone who'd be butthurt by another person describing themselves as professional and saying "we're all professionals if we work" etc - who gives a shit really, nice arse, faf.....?

I'm sure others will form an opinion of me saying that^ too, but face bovvered tbh....

Unpopular as ever....

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By *iaisonseekerMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Professional jobs are different to other forms of paid employment in that they impose obligations such as client/patient confidentiality and are regulated to ensure standards are upheld.

Of course, the decision to disclose the "professional" nature of one's occupation is a common filter on dating sites where people seek a partner of similar socioeconomic status. Is that a relevant consideration for swinging?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Its certainly an issue of reverse snobbery for lots!!

Don't have an issue with it, its just words on a profile, chosen by people to describe themselves. Use it as a filter if it bothers you?

This really....

I'll probably form an opinion of someone who would describe themselves as a professional, but equally I'd probably form an even stronger opinion of someone who'd be butthurt by another person describing themselves as professional and saying "we're all professionals if we work" etc - who gives a shit really, nice arse, faf.....?

I'm sure others will form an opinion of me saying that^ too, but face bovvered tbh....

Unpopular as ever.... "

Yep. I agree with this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To me professional means someone who takes personal responsibility for the quality of their work and any mistakes they make. This comes with a commitment to their chosen discipline.

A non-professional works only to get financial remuneration, if they make a mistake, generally their employer will fit the bill, not themselves.

When you say someone is unprofessional, you're accusing them of doing substandard work and not taking responsibility for it.

In many ways then it has little to do with what you do, and is more about your own personal attitude to what you do for a living.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

Some people throw their profession into the first message, as if you should be impressed! (Depending how important they think it is)

DC is not that easily impressed! I don’t care what the job is - I’m more interested in their articulation and intelligence - not how important to job is!

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

My mum says a professional is someone who is paid monthly rather than weekly

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Just because I wear a tie, it doesn't mean I'm professional you know (quote)

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Other than ma last copy'n'paste, I"m a professional builder, in that I get paid for it, but dress in scruffs most of the time

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