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"Explain what you mean by hippy/liberal? Do you support 'free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights'? or do you mean more 'Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded'? " Or just hoping the 'free love' ethos is still going strong. | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. " Yeah I don't really adhere to any way of dressing. Especially not one that would communicate my personality or outlook... I'm a photographer who hates taking pictures of himself... Explain that one | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. " They would if their more into liberal economics  | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. Yeah I don't really adhere to any way of dressing. Especially not one that would communicate my personality or outlook... I'm a photographer who hates taking pictures of himself... Explain that one" You have no confidence in you're own appearance? | |||
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"Explain what you mean by hippy/liberal? Do you support 'free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights'? or do you mean more 'Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded'? " Like minded folk. Those who question the status quo and don't adhere to society's constructs fully. I don't have a checklist for people to qualify unfortunately | |||
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"Explain what you mean by hippy/liberal? Do you support 'free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights'? or do you mean more 'Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded'? Like minded folk. Those who question the status quo and don't adhere to society's constructs fully. I don't have a checklist for people to qualify unfortunately " I like to question everything not just the status quo. | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. Yeah I don't really adhere to any way of dressing. Especially not one that would communicate my personality or outlook... I'm a photographer who hates taking pictures of himself... Explain that one No I love myself. More that I feel like an egomaniac taking selfies. I am also very aware of what makes up a good photo and being a perfectionist, I would have to work and edit a photo of myself. Something about that make it quite narcissistic to me and puts me off You have no confidence in you're own appearance?" | |||
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"Explain what you mean by hippy/liberal? Do you support 'free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights'? or do you mean more 'Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded'? Or just hoping the 'free love' ethos is still going strong." It is. Just a lot harder to find nowadays I'm guessing | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. Yeah I don't really adhere to any way of dressing. Especially not one that would communicate my personality or outlook... I'm a photographer who hates taking pictures of himself... Explain that one" That’s very common in my experience of photographers! They like to be the one behind the ca,era and not infront of the lens  | |||
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"Explain what you mean by hippy/liberal? Do you support 'free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights'? or do you mean more 'Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded'? Like minded folk. Those who question the status quo and don't adhere to society's constructs fully. I don't have a checklist for people to qualify unfortunately " I read Graunaid if that helps | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. Yeah I don't really adhere to any way of dressing. Especially not one that would communicate my personality or outlook... I'm a photographer who hates taking pictures of himself... Explain that one That’s very common in my experience of photographers! They like to be the one behind the ca,era and not infront of the lens "Yeah you become very aware of what makes a good photo and a good model. I am definitely not a model. I feel under pressure as soon as someone points a camera at me. I also do a lot of post production and looking at my own face for an hour or so makes me feel like I'm loving myself off which is not me at all | |||
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"If you'd asked for a bunch of up tight conservatives then you'd have got the hippie liberals you were seeking, IT'S THE FAB WAY.....! "Ha! Yeah you're not wrong there. That or a load of abuse which also seems to be 'the fab way' | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. " My thoughts exactly, a pinned tie at that! Get some tree-hugging action in OP, some flowers in your hair, something! | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. My thoughts exactly, a pinned tie at that! Get some tree-hugging action in OP, some flowers in your hair, something! "Ha! Yeah the abuse that I have been given for that tie pin!!! Came with the tie people and with my job it can't hang as it gets caught. Anyhow... I can hopefully communicate who I am with my words and actions rather than conforming and dressing the same as others with the same disposition right? | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker.... "I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. My thoughts exactly, a pinned tie at that! Get some tree-hugging action in OP, some flowers in your hair, something! "Why on earth would something like wearing a tie dictate someone's politics or outlook on life....? The tie comment says more about the person making it than the OP imho....
If I'd commented on a woman wearing a short skirt, I'd expect to get lynched on here, and quite rightly.... | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least"Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind? | |||
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"Explain what you mean by hippy/liberal? Do you support 'free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights'? or do you mean more 'Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded'? " That sounds boring ! I thought he meant getting naked in a field & painting fluorescent smileys on our bums | |||
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"Explain what you mean by hippy/liberal? Do you support 'free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights'? or do you mean more 'Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded'? That sounds boring ! I thought he meant getting naked in a field & painting fluorescent smileys on our bums " Definitely the better kind! | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
"That seems pretty self explanatory to me. A good example would be that it's perfectly acceptable to disagree on the regulation of the free market or the nationalisation of amenities and infrastructure and happily give the other's opinion the respect it deserves even if you don't agree. On the other hand, if the other person frequently uses the words p**i and n****r, believes that all Muslims should be deported and that black people are all criminals who should be hung, thinks gay people are disgusting and that trans people are all kiddy fiddlers and r***ists, and beat their wife/girlfriend because they need to "keep them in their place".... I think it's perfectly acceptable to actively disrespect those "opinions" as the abhorrent and repulsive behaviours they are. | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
"I try to use my best judgement... Looking at the situation objectively usually helps. You have to remember that some people will enter a discussion offended with no intention of ever changing their opinion as their mind is already made. I guess as long as I feel like I'm being honest and am treating the other person in the same way I would treat any other person, I can live with myself even if they do get offended | |||
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"Explain what you mean by hippy/liberal? Do you support 'free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights'? or do you mean more 'Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded'? That sounds boring ! I thought he meant getting naked in a field & painting fluorescent smileys on our bums " Yours is definitely the better topic of discussion.... In my opinion anyway | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
That seems pretty self explanatory to me.
A good example would be that it's perfectly acceptable to disagree on the regulation of the free market or the nationalisation of amenities and infrastructure and happily give the other's opinion the respect it deserves even if you don't agree. On the other hand, if the other person frequently uses the words p**i and n****r, believes that all Muslims should be deported and that black people are all criminals who should be hung, thinks gay people are disgusting and that trans people are all kiddy fiddlers and r***ists, and beat their wife/girlfriend because they need to "keep them in their place".... I think it's perfectly acceptable to actively disrespect those "opinions" as the abhorrent and repulsive behaviours they are."But if you don't attempt to understand them and debate the issue in a respectful manner then how can you expect the same respect in return or respect for the groups you describe. Always stay open and polite, even when faced with aggression, and attempt to understand it and it's motivation (typically fear) and you'll create an inclusive debate and avoid isolating the vulnerable..... | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
That seems pretty self explanatory to me.
A good example would be that it's perfectly acceptable to disagree on the regulation of the free market or the nationalisation of amenities and infrastructure and happily give the other's opinion the respect it deserves even if you don't agree. On the other hand, if the other person frequently uses the words p**i and n****r, believes that all Muslims should be deported and that black people are all criminals who should be hung, thinks gay people are disgusting and that trans people are all kiddy fiddlers and r***ists, and beat their wife/girlfriend because they need to "keep them in their place".... I think it's perfectly acceptable to actively disrespect those "opinions" as the abhorrent and repulsive behaviours they are."The top part is true but the rest are just very extreme examples,you don't really encounter people who hold all of those beliefs(I've never met anyone who ticks all of those boxes) And most of what you say is down to common human decency, that's not what I was talking about. | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
That seems pretty self explanatory to me.
A good example would be that it's perfectly acceptable to disagree on the regulation of the free market or the nationalisation of amenities and infrastructure and happily give the other's opinion the respect it deserves even if you don't agree. On the other hand, if the other person frequently uses the words p**i and n****r, believes that all Muslims should be deported and that black people are all criminals who should be hung, thinks gay people are disgusting and that trans people are all kiddy fiddlers and r***ists, and beat their wife/girlfriend because they need to "keep them in their place".... I think it's perfectly acceptable to actively disrespect those "opinions" as the abhorrent and repulsive behaviours they are.
The top part is true but the rest are just very extreme examples,you don't really encounter people who hold all of those beliefs(I've never met anyone who ticks all of those boxes)
And most of what you say is down to common human decency, that's not what I was talking about.
"Other than the domestic abuse, which society is FINALLY ceasing to tolerate, I find people that hold one of those opinions tend to hold pretty much all of them. And fifteen years working in local pubs, i met a LOT of people who were very vocal about those very opinions. People, in my experience, are pretty vile. | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
That seems pretty self explanatory to me.
A good example would be that it's perfectly acceptable to disagree on the regulation of the free market or the nationalisation of amenities and infrastructure and happily give the other's opinion the respect it deserves even if you don't agree. On the other hand, if the other person frequently uses the words p**i and n****r, believes that all Muslims should be deported and that black people are all criminals who should be hung, thinks gay people are disgusting and that trans people are all kiddy fiddlers and r***ists, and beat their wife/girlfriend because they need to "keep them in their place".... I think it's perfectly acceptable to actively disrespect those "opinions" as the abhorrent and repulsive behaviours they are.
The top part is true but the rest are just very extreme examples,you don't really encounter people who hold all of those beliefs(I've never met anyone who ticks all of those boxes)
And most of what you say is down to common human decency, that's not what I was talking about.
Other than the domestic abuse, which society is FINALLY ceasing to tolerate, I find people that hold one of those opinions tend to hold pretty much all of them. And fifteen years working in local pubs, i met a LOT of people who were very vocal about those very opinions. People, in my experience, are pretty vile."You've just discriminated against "people" there mate. Should all people now ignore your view because of that statement....?  | |||
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"I don't normally picture hippy/liberals wearing a shirt and tie. My thoughts exactly, a pinned tie at that! Get some tree-hugging action in OP, some flowers in your hair, something! "Self raising or plane? | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
I try to use my best judgement... Looking at the situation objectively usually helps. You have to remember that some people will enter a discussion offended with no intention of ever changing their opinion as their mind is already made.
I guess as long as I feel like I'm being honest and am treating the other person in the same way I would treat any other person, I can live with myself even if they do get offended"Sounds fair. Oh and I completely agree, some people are always looking to be offended. And just because someone IS offended, does not necessarily mean they are justified in being offended. People often take offence when none is given. Too many snowflakes sadly,its a tough world out there! My point is, whilst no ones likes horribly offensive people, you have to be reasonable as to what is deemed offensive. Some things can hurt peoples feelings regardless of whether they are intended to be offensive, and just because someone is upset, doesn't necessarily mean someone is to blame. But I think overall we on same page | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
That seems pretty self explanatory to me.
A good example would be that it's perfectly acceptable to disagree on the regulation of the free market or the nationalisation of amenities and infrastructure and happily give the other's opinion the respect it deserves even if you don't agree. On the other hand, if the other person frequently uses the words p**i and n****r, believes that all Muslims should be deported and that black people are all criminals who should be hung, thinks gay people are disgusting and that trans people are all kiddy fiddlers and r***ists, and beat their wife/girlfriend because they need to "keep them in their place".... I think it's perfectly acceptable to actively disrespect those "opinions" as the abhorrent and repulsive behaviours they are.
The top part is true but the rest are just very extreme examples,you don't really encounter people who hold all of those beliefs(I've never met anyone who ticks all of those boxes)
And most of what you say is down to common human decency, that's not what I was talking about.
Other than the domestic abuse, which society is FINALLY ceasing to tolerate, I find people that hold one of those opinions tend to hold pretty much all of them. And fifteen years working in local pubs, i met a LOT of people who were very vocal about those very opinions. People, in my experience, are pretty vile."My experience is very different tbh The people I know who use the word "p*ki" the most are 2 staunch left wingers who upload blm pics to facebook and lecture everyone about racism, sexism, bigotry etc in epic virtue signalling. Yet they spend so much time using racial slurs in person - when called out about this one just replies "I can say what I want!" Yet facebook tells the opposite story Most racists in my experience pretend they are virtuous,and like to lecture others. | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
That seems pretty self explanatory to me.
A good example would be that it's perfectly acceptable to disagree on the regulation of the free market or the nationalisation of amenities and infrastructure and happily give the other's opinion the respect it deserves even if you don't agree. On the other hand, if the other person frequently uses the words p**i and n****r, believes that all Muslims should be deported and that black people are all criminals who should be hung, thinks gay people are disgusting and that trans people are all kiddy fiddlers and r***ists, and beat their wife/girlfriend because they need to "keep them in their place".... I think it's perfectly acceptable to actively disrespect those "opinions" as the abhorrent and repulsive behaviours they are.
But if you don't attempt to understand them and debate the issue in a respectful manner then how can you expect the same respect in return or respect for the groups you describe. Always stay open and polite, even when faced with aggression, and attempt to understand it and it's motivation (typically fear) and you'll create an inclusive debate and avoid isolating the vulnerable..... "Yeah I've got into some really interesting conversations with people just by asking none threatening questions. Most of the time if you ask a person why they are racist or sexist they will give you a very ambiguous answer like. I just don't like them or or mention the news. But every so often people will be open to discussing their hatred and most of the time pin it down to one incident with a black person that has obviously traumatised them so much that they now hate all black people.... Kinda ridiculous when you think about it. Also had the conversation on here where people state that they are not into a specific race and say it is just taste and they are not racist. Not doubting that in any way but I'm very much about self improvement and if I was only attracted to people of one specific race I would be concerned. Mainly because I would like to be attracted to beauty in all women. Plus I'm mixed race so I might have a different outlook to most in terms of attraction | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
I try to use my best judgement... Looking at the situation objectively usually helps. You have to remember that some people will enter a discussion offended with no intention of ever changing their opinion as their mind is already made.
I guess as long as I feel like I'm being honest and am treating the other person in the same way I would treat any other person, I can live with myself even if they do get offended
Sounds fair.
Oh and I completely agree, some people are always looking to be offended.
And just because someone IS offended, does not necessarily mean they are justified in being offended.
People often take offence when none is given.
Too many snowflakes sadly,its a tough world out there!
My point is, whilst no ones likes horribly offensive people, you have to be reasonable as to what is deemed offensive. Some things can hurt peoples feelings regardless of whether they are intended to be offensive, and just because someone is upset, doesn't necessarily mean someone is to blame.
But I think overall we on same page
"Yeah I think we're definitely on the same page. I never intend to offend anyone but sometimes just by stating my opinion others seem offended. And I'm quite liberal and accepting yet some people look down on things like empathy like it is weakness or don't want to show concern for anyone that wasn't born on the same patch of dirt as them. And yeah I agree with what you said last. People are usually drawn to help the victim of the situation or the person who is more upset. This doesn't always mean they are in the right, it could mean that one person is much more accustom to using emotional manipulation to get what they want. | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
I try to use my best judgement... Looking at the situation objectively usually helps. You have to remember that some people will enter a discussion offended with no intention of ever changing their opinion as their mind is already made.
I guess as long as I feel like I'm being honest and am treating the other person in the same way I would treat any other person, I can live with myself even if they do get offended
Sounds fair.
Oh and I completely agree, some people are always looking to be offended.
And just because someone IS offended, does not necessarily mean they are justified in being offended.
People often take offence when none is given.
Too many snowflakes sadly,its a tough world out there!
My point is, whilst no ones likes horribly offensive people, you have to be reasonable as to what is deemed offensive. Some things can hurt peoples feelings regardless of whether they are intended to be offensive, and just because someone is upset, doesn't necessarily mean someone is to blame.
But I think overall we on same page
Yeah I think we're definitely on the same page. I never intend to offend anyone but sometimes just by stating my opinion others seem offended. And I'm quite liberal and accepting yet some people look down on things like empathy like it is weakness or don't want to show concern for anyone that wasn't born on the same patch of dirt as them.
And yeah I agree with what you said last. People are usually drawn to help the victim of the situation or the person who is more upset. This doesn't always mean they are in the right, it could mean that one person is much more accustom to using emotional manipulation to get what they want. "I definitely agree. I'm also full of empathy and compassion, and whilst I don't view it as a weakness(I actually think it's a strength and a desirable quality) I can recognise that some unscrupulous people will try to take advantage of it, so you have to be wise occasion, and learn from your mistakes on occasion too. Solid post though, and I think we have shown that if your both polite and open minded, useful conversations can take place | |||
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"I'm independent btw, I'll talk to anyone and learn from them, a true free thinker....
I try to be.... Find it hard when people's outlooks hurt or offend others but I do try to understand at least
Sounds reasonable... Although if 2 people have different outlooks, how do you decide which one is hurtful or offensive? Since both parties would potentially be hurt and offended by the others opinion. That would just seem like taking sides, or did you have a specific example in mind?
I try to use my best judgement... Looking at the situation objectively usually helps. You have to remember that some people will enter a discussion offended with no intention of ever changing their opinion as their mind is already made.
I guess as long as I feel like I'm being honest and am treating the other person in the same way I would treat any other person, I can live with myself even if they do get offended
Sounds fair.
Oh and I completely agree, some people are always looking to be offended.
And just because someone IS offended, does not necessarily mean they are justified in being offended.
People often take offence when none is given.
Too many snowflakes sadly,its a tough world out there!
My point is, whilst no ones likes horribly offensive people, you have to be reasonable as to what is deemed offensive. Some things can hurt peoples feelings regardless of whether they are intended to be offensive, and just because someone is upset, doesn't necessarily mean someone is to blame.
But I think overall we on same page
Yeah I think we're definitely on the same page. I never intend to offend anyone but sometimes just by stating my opinion others seem offended. And I'm quite liberal and accepting yet some people look down on things like empathy like it is weakness or don't want to show concern for anyone that wasn't born on the same patch of dirt as them.
And yeah I agree with what you said last. People are usually drawn to help the victim of the situation or the person who is more upset. This doesn't always mean they are in the right, it could mean that one person is much more accustom to using emotional manipulation to get what they want.
I definitely agree.
I'm also full of empathy and compassion, and whilst I don't view it as a weakness(I actually think it's a strength and a desirable quality) I can recognise that some unscrupulous people will try to take advantage of it, so you have to be wise occasion, and learn from your mistakes on occasion too.
Solid post though, and I think we have shown that if your both polite and open minded, useful conversations can take place " | |||
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"*waves* This post makes me miss Ghengis and his lefty rants. " Not sure who Ghengis is but with that name he must be very liberal | |||
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"I'm pretty liberal and have been barefoot most of the summer. " I'm often bare foot At one with nature and happy camping | |||
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"*waves* This post makes me miss Ghengis and his lefty rants. " Oh yeah, hadn't realised hed left. He was active at one point on here | |||
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