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"I believe it is indifference. And sweet lies, closely in a second place. " I would say you're right, closely followed by misunderstanding | |||
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"Paper cuts between the fingers" Hey you. Havent seen you around in a while. Yes. Or sharp grass. | |||
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"Indifference isn't great" But hurts greatly. | |||
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"Pinched ball skin in the zipper. " Hope it's all better now. | |||
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"Sweet lies. Definitely sweet lies " Dont they just. | |||
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"Giving someone or a group the power to make me feel insignificant. I think it hurts most because I'm aware *I'm* the one allowing it to happen. It cuts deeper, somehow." Doesnt it kind of comes with the package of trust and opening up ? | |||
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"Tor stubbing, luckily it fades into memory quickly" Toe | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care." Unless you were a hermit someone would ? | |||
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"Betrayal. Although the satisfaction you gain from avenging that betrayal can also be one of the biggest highs. " That does sound painful. | |||
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"Tor stubbing, luckily it fades into memory quickly Toe" Moors on the mind | |||
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"In an emotional sense, for me it's lying. Not usually the lie, but that fat you thought I was too stupid to notice." *fact | |||
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"Standing on lego " horrific pain!! | |||
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"In an emotional sense, for me it's lying. Not usually the lie, but that fat you thought I was too stupid to notice." So true xx | |||
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"I believe it is indifference. And sweet lies, closely in a second place. I would say you're right, closely followed by misunderstanding " When someone you care about has a closed mind or is so hurt / insecure they can’t understand. You’re doomed to be eternally misunderstood... | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. " I see you both, QK and Kat. | |||
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"Having all your spinal nerves totally crushed " Anything to do with nerves sounds like an agony.. | |||
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"Tor stubbing, luckily it fades into memory quickly Toe Moors on the mind " They always are, I'm too predictable | |||
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"Tor stubbing, luckily it fades into memory quickly" I'm always doing that. Especially my little toes. | |||
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"lies" Truth can be hurtful too on that note. | |||
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"Giving someone or a group the power to make me feel insignificant. I think it hurts most because I'm aware *I'm* the one allowing it to happen. It cuts deeper, somehow. Doesnt it kind of comes with the package of trust and opening up ? " Not if you're smarter than I at choosing the people you trust! It hurts that I care for people who will behave badly. I come away feeling completely insignificant, all the while knowing I'm the one that has given them the power to hurt me. The feeling is mine alone, their behaviour only impacts me as much as I allow, and right now I'm allowing far too great an impact. | |||
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"Misunderstanding, in a sense, is worse. For me, of course. Individual experiences, after all. I've been hurt less by a lie than by a truth someone holds about me that isn't accurate." Well then it's a lie they chose to believe in. Or their own truth. As for misunderstanding.. I'm really not sure if i understand that? | |||
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"Betrayal." Definitely. Unless you chose not to believe in existence of loyalty. | |||
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"Broken trust. " Hard to fix. | |||
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"Misunderstanding, in a sense, is worse. For me, of course. Individual experiences, after all. I've been hurt less by a lie than by a truth someone holds about me that isn't accurate." Love this . So true | |||
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"Personally I'd say lies cut me the deepest but then it can depend how you find out they are lies in the first place. " How it would make a difference? | |||
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"Stepping on not 1 but 2 rusty nails! I cried like a bitch" Oooh Double Penetration | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. I see you both, QK and Kat. " | |||
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"breaking your back in a riding accident " This gave me goosebumps. Not in a good way. | |||
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"Betrayal. Definitely. Unless you chose not to believe in existence of loyalty. " I don’t think it’s a dissolution of loyalty, more trust. | |||
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"Stepping on not 1 but 2 rusty nails! I cried like a bitchOooh Double Penetration " Damn if I'd thought of that at the time that might have made a difference & stopped the tears | |||
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"Stepping on not 1 but 2 rusty nails! I cried like a bitchOooh Double Penetration Damn if I'd thought of that at the time that might have made a difference & stopped the tears " | |||
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"Grief. No pain can compare. " So true | |||
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"Smacked my thumb full swing with a hammer when the chisel slipped. Burst it wide open. Hurt like a bastard" All good now I Hope.. | |||
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"Broken trust. " Depends on how the trust was broken but yes - I’m guessing it happens here all the time | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. Unless you were a hermit someone would ? " * waves from the cave | |||
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"Fresh ginger on someones fingers. " I'm not that bad | |||
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"Fresh ginger on someones fingers. I'm not that bad " You so fresh! | |||
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"Fresh ginger on someones fingers. I'm not that bad You so fresh! " Hell yeah | |||
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"Having your femur snapped in two. It happened when I was six and I still remember the pain and sensation of trying to walk on it " Did the little fur ball recover? | |||
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"Having your femur snapped in two. It happened when I was six and I still remember the pain and sensation of trying to walk on it Did the little fur ball recover? " Or is that a lemur? | |||
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"Having your femur snapped in two. It happened when I was six and I still remember the pain and sensation of trying to walk on it " *tibia Imagine | |||
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"Having your femur snapped in two. It happened when I was six and I still remember the pain and sensation of trying to walk on it Did the little fur ball recover? Or is that a lemur?" Definitely a lemur | |||
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"Broken trust. Depends on how the trust was broken but yes - I’m guessing it happens here all the time" All the time! Crazy place. | |||
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" Wahhhh someone on your hotlist not reading your expertly written "Hi how are you" opening message " I checked. It's not me. | |||
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"Broken trust. " Definitely. Once broken it's very hard to gain back, and in my experience it's never the same again. | |||
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"Fresh ginger on someones fingers. " I'm quite keen on that, but to each their own | |||
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"Indifference isn't great But hurts greatly. " Especially over a long period of time | |||
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"Not being seen for who you are." This is interesting...I get it. Especially when you show people who you are...and they still don’t get it | |||
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"Fresh ginger on someones fingers. " I can beat that Vicks vapour rub, not properly washed off!!!! One of the first times the ex got truely animated in the bedroom! | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. Unless you were a hermit someone would ? " How many times have you seen reports on the news of people being found dead in their homes, having been there for weeks or months, and no one noticed their absence or bothered to check on them if they did? I've dreaded that happening to me - for a while, I thought things were changing, but I was wrong. | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. I see you both, QK and Kat. " Seeing isn't the same as noticing. Or valuing. People see things they then go out of their way to avoid. | |||
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"Not being seen for who you are. This is interesting...I get it. Especially when you show people who you are...and they still don’t get it" But maybe YOU'RE NOT seeing who YOU really are?? | |||
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"Not being seen for who you are. This is interesting...I get it. Especially when you show people who you are...and they still don’t get it But maybe YOU'RE NOT seeing who YOU really are??" Or perhaps one isn’t truly portraying who we are...perception is interesting | |||
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"Not being seen for who you are. This is interesting...I get it. Especially when you show people who you are...and they still don’t get it But maybe YOU'RE NOT seeing who YOU really are??" That's what I mean with misunderstanding being quite painful, I think. Took a long time to figure me out, feel like I am pretty me-ish in all things. So when people get a different perception of that, it's an isolating feeling. | |||
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"Standing on a piece of lego" You've clearly never trodden on an upturned plug. Or a D4. | |||
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"Giving someone or a group the power to make me feel insignificant. I think it hurts most because I'm aware *I'm* the one allowing it to happen. It cuts deeper, somehow. Doesnt it kind of comes with the package of trust and opening up ? Not if you're smarter than I at choosing the people you trust! It hurts that I care for people who will behave badly. I come away feeling completely insignificant, all the while knowing I'm the one that has given them the power to hurt me. The feeling is mine alone, their behaviour only impacts me as much as I allow, and right now I'm allowing far too great an impact." I can totally relate. I even give myself a stern talking to cos it'll end in tears. Crikey I'm often in tears anyway - so why do I, and it sounds like you, put ourselves through it. | |||
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"Not being seen for who you are. This is interesting...I get it. Especially when you show people who you are...and they still don’t get it But maybe YOU'RE NOT seeing who YOU really are?? That's what I mean with misunderstanding being quite painful, I think. Took a long time to figure me out, feel like I am pretty me-ish in all things. So when people get a different perception of that, it's an isolating feeling." I understand and I didnt mean to appear facetious. Many years ago I did a group exercise on a promotion course, with colleagues. We had to anonymously describe each other by writing down our opinions, then have them read out. It was amazing and a little cruel how peoples opinions of themselves were so different to that of others. | |||
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"Giving someone or a group the power to make me feel insignificant. I think it hurts most because I'm aware *I'm* the one allowing it to happen. It cuts deeper, somehow." This I've encountered on some threads on here. I'm not one of the gang, though I try | |||
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"Betrayal. Definitely. Unless you chose not to believe in existence of loyalty. " The toughest fact to accept about betrayal is that.... It doesn't come from your enemies It comes from those you care for the most | |||
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"Cluster headaches. Being judged. " strangers trolling you for no good reason | |||
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"Giving someone or a group the power to make me feel insignificant. I think it hurts most because I'm aware *I'm* the one allowing it to happen. It cuts deeper, somehow. This I've encountered on some threads on here. I'm not one of the gang, though I try " or when they get really judgy thinking they above others | |||
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"Not being seen for who you are. This is interesting...I get it. Especially when you show people who you are...and they still don’t get it But maybe YOU'RE NOT seeing who YOU really are??" Huh? Unlikely if I’m living with myself, in my head 24/7. Who’s better qualified then? | |||
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"Cluster headaches. Being judged. strangers trolling you for no good reason" Oh yes, this has happened to me a few times and recently to a very close friend. | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. Unless you were a hermit someone would ? How many times have you seen reports on the news of people being found dead in their homes, having been there for weeks or months, and no one noticed their absence or bothered to check on them if they did? I've dreaded that happening to me - for a while, I thought things were changing, but I was wrong." Yeah, had a few periods of depression where I wouldn't talk to any friends or family for months, just the occasional small talk in the supermarket every week or two if I wasn't using the self-checkout. These covid lockdown wingers don't know what suffering is | |||
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"Not being seen for who you are. This is interesting...I get it. Especially when you show people who you are...and they still don’t get it But maybe YOU'RE NOT seeing who YOU really are?? That's what I mean with misunderstanding being quite painful, I think. Took a long time to figure me out, feel like I am pretty me-ish in all things. So when people get a different perception of that, it's an isolating feeling. I understand and I didnt mean to appear facetious. Many years ago I did a group exercise on a promotion course, with colleagues. We had to anonymously describe each other by writing down our opinions, then have them read out. It was amazing and a little cruel how peoples opinions of themselves were so different to that of others." Didn't take it as facetious at all just felt a need to clarify my thought after seeing yours. Which is quite on-topic, really. | |||
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"Giving someone or a group the power to make me feel insignificant. I think it hurts most because I'm aware *I'm* the one allowing it to happen. It cuts deeper, somehow. This I've encountered on some threads on here. I'm not one of the gang, though I try " Oof... the only advice I can give is not to try. Post when you've something to say. Sometimes you'll get a response, much of the time you won't, but try not to let it get to you. For me, I use this as entertainment rather than validation. The people I've met up with from this site and whose opinions matter most to me don't tend to be people who spend a massive amount of time on the forum (I try to stay away from drama where I can). Find your own gang. Find your tribe, the people who share your views and values and humour. There's far more to this site than trying to make yourself different to fit in with someone else. Just my two cents, of course! | |||
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"I would say chronic nerve pain. Or broken trust/heart. Jo.Xx " It has to be a broken heart doesnt it, that encompasses all those broken trusts and lies and deceptions in one. | |||
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"In an emotional sense, for me it's lying. Not usually the lie, but that fat you thought I was too stupid to notice. *fact" Everything comes out eventually. | |||
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"Standing on lego " Such a cruel design ! | |||
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"Grief. No pain can compare. " It's the biggest loss indeed.. | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. " I guess it comes close to indifference. And it does suck. | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. Unless you were a hermit someone would ? How many times have you seen reports on the news of people being found dead in their homes, having been there for weeks or months, and no one noticed their absence or bothered to check on them if they did? I've dreaded that happening to me - for a while, I thought things were changing, but I was wrong." I have but I do wonder if they chose to be alone and not make effort to be surrounded by family or friends or get familiar with neighbours or were they truly forgotten? | |||
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"Definitely betrayal " Lots mentioned betrayal and lies. Seems quite universally hurtful. | |||
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"Surely the aim of the wise is not to secure pleasure but moreover avoid pain it all its disguises ?" eh? Avoiding pain is how you end up avoid life. When people are isolated it's often due to betrayal, they don't want to be alone, but can't bring themselves to trust anyone. | |||
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"Surely the aim of the wise is not to secure pleasure but moreover avoid pain it all its disguises ? eh? Avoiding pain is how you end up avoid life. When people are isolated it's often due to betrayal, they don't want to be alone, but can't bring themselves to trust anyone." Nothing pains some more than having to think? | |||
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"I believe it is indifference. And sweet lies, closely in a second place. I would say you're right, closely followed by misunderstanding When someone you care about has a closed mind or is so hurt / insecure they can’t understand. You’re doomed to be eternally misunderstood... " I see. I guess it would make me stop caring..? | |||
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"Lies - if you don’t have your word? What do you have. " Actions? Hence my point about sweet lies. Actions not words. | |||
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"Betrayal" I suppose the saddest part about betrayal is that it’s never delivered by an enemy? | |||
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"Stepping on not 1 but 2 rusty nails! I cried like a bitch" Auch! Hope you didnt need any painful injections after! | |||
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"I totally know what you mean about indifference. When someone is so important to you and you've given so much of yourself to them and you realise that to them you barely register in their consciousness. You can't even be mad like with betrayal as often they don't even mean harm." You put in words so much better than me. And that ignorance of the fact they hurt you is painful in itself too. | |||
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"Giving someone or a group the power to make me feel insignificant. I think it hurts most because I'm aware *I'm* the one allowing it to happen. It cuts deeper, somehow. Doesnt it kind of comes with the package of trust and opening up ? Not if you're smarter than I at choosing the people you trust! It hurts that I care for people who will behave badly. I come away feeling completely insignificant, all the while knowing I'm the one that has given them the power to hurt me. The feeling is mine alone, their behaviour only impacts me as much as I allow, and right now I'm allowing far too great an impact." I wish you all the strength to build the walls to protect you.. and making up your toolbox of ways to deal with these patterns..x | |||
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"Betray - especially if it’s a close friend " It wouldnt hurt much if it was someone who didnt matter. | |||
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"I totally know what you mean about indifference. When someone is so important to you and you've given so much of yourself to them and you realise that to them you barely register in their consciousness. You can't even be mad like with betrayal as often they don't even mean harm." It is soul destroying. What is even worse is when they attempt to feign interest, not for your sake but just because it is easier for them to do so. | |||
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"Grief " Apparently griefs comes in stages but I guess one element always lures and that is pain. | |||
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"Also, indifference hurts, trust being broken and not feeling good enough Hippy" They all seem related. | |||
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"When people don’t see what I see...so, my reflection, I guess " Because we see whats in the mirror not how others perceive us? | |||
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"Breaking up even though you still want each other" So confusing eh? | |||
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"Lies & deception leading to a loss of trust. Once you lose my trust there’s no chance of getting it back." It's good to look out after yourself x | |||
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"Fresh ginger on someones fingers. " Unless one likes it? | |||
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"Betrayal. Regardless as to their relations you." I feel it does make a bit of a difference? | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. Unless you were a hermit someone would ? * waves from the cave " Waves back. But you need that fireplace going if you want your wave noticed! | |||
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"Having your femur snapped in two. It happened when I was six and I still remember the pain and sensation of trying to walk on it " Did it heal all well? | |||
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"Deception. When someone sets out to decieve. When you have put your trust in them and they don't trust you enough to be fucking honest or are too selfish and self centred because they want what they want and would rather lie than risk losing or not getting what they want. Freedom of choice, people have the right to make decisions based on the truth, not a bastard lie. " Agreed | |||
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"Lying, cheating, betrayal are all ways of showing disrespect so for me it would disrespect xx" Some of the feelings do intertwine dont they! | |||
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"Indifference, being left out and the feeling you are not missed x" We do agree. | |||
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"Betrayal of trust and abuse of the vulnerable I believe are the worst " I'm glad you brought up the second part. How can they defend themselves.. | |||
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"Peoples assumptions " Only if bad. But then they are assumptions. Do they matter? | |||
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"Not being seen for who you are." I do wonder if how we would like to be seen isnt always compatible with how people read us? | |||
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"Whining without good reason.... .....followed by babies crying.... " My own babies yes. Others worries me but does not physically hurt like mine. | |||
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"Definitely lies - I value honesty greatly " Maybe because it's rare it's so valuable | |||
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"Broken trust. Definitely. Once broken it's very hard to gain back, and in my experience it's never the same again." It is not. Especially if one isnt good at forgiving. | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. Unless you were a hermit someone would ? How many times have you seen reports on the news of people being found dead in their homes, having been there for weeks or months, and no one noticed their absence or bothered to check on them if they did? I've dreaded that happening to me - for a while, I thought things were changing, but I was wrong. I have but I do wonder if they chose to be alone and not make effort to be surrounded by family or friends or get familiar with neighbours or were they truly forgotten? " How do you surround yourself with friends when you don't have any? How do you get familiar withyour neighbours when they have no time for you? Blaming it on lack of effort is just a lazy generalisation. | |||
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"I believe it is indifference. And sweet lies, closely in a second place. " Tell me, tell me, tell me lies Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies | |||
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"I believe it is indifference. And sweet lies, closely in a second place. " You are spot on | |||
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"Fresh ginger on someones fingers. I can beat that Vicks vapour rub, not properly washed off!!!! One of the first times the ex got truely animated in the bedroom! " Oooh I can't begin to imagine the stingy feeling! | |||
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"Indifference, being left out and the feeling you are not missed x" That feeling of being knowingly excluded is awful. | |||
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"Anonymity. Knowing you could disappear and no one would notice, let alone care. Unless you were a hermit someone would ? How many times have you seen reports on the news of people being found dead in their homes, having been there for weeks or months, and no one noticed their absence or bothered to check on them if they did? I've dreaded that happening to me - for a while, I thought things were changing, but I was wrong. I have but I do wonder if they chose to be alone and not make effort to be surrounded by family or friends or get familiar with neighbours or were they truly forgotten? How do you surround yourself with friends when you don't have any? How do you get familiar withyour neighbours when they have no time for you? Blaming it on lack of effort is just a lazy generalisation. " It is how you wish to see it. I didnt generalise. I asked a question. I wondered out loud. | |||
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