FabSwingers.com forum: Physical attraction

By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

Very. If not there it's not happening.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Even if I find someone attractive, my libido doesn't kick in these days. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

Very. I'm not looking for a life partner

I need to have a connection too.

I'd hate to think that someone would fuck me without fancying me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very. I'm not going to sleep with someone that I don't find attractive, as I wouldn't expect anyone to play with me if I wasn't their cup of tea

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

I forgot to add about importance of face and body

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Very. I'm not going to sleep with someone that I don't find attractive, as I wouldn't expect anyone to play with me if I wasn't their cup of tea

I get men I am not attracted to either saying can I do it if I get paid or they highly skilled in xyz or got a great personality....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Very. I'm not going to sleep with someone that I don't find attractive, as I wouldn't expect anyone to play with me if I wasn't their cup of tea

I get men I am not attracted to either saying can I do it if I get paid or they highly skilled in xyz or got a great personality....

Oh yeah, that'll definitely change your opinion on them... From bad to worse

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

I forgot to add about importance of face and body"

They go hand in hand with attraction i'd assume?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Depends how horny I am

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By *rivateparts!Man
over a year ago

Walking down the only road I've ever known!

Some won't be attracted to you and some will, its swings and roundabouts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Depends how horny I am

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By *oasted cheese sandwichMan
over a year ago

Nearby

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over a year ago

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By *oasted cheese sandwichMan
over a year ago

Nearby

I believe someone who you may not find particularly attractive, can still be sexy and turn you on.

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By *onkeyandBonesCouple
over a year ago

Staffordshire

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

Very. If not there it's not happening."

This

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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

Very. I'm not looking for a life partner

I need to have a connection too.

I'd hate to think that someone would fuck me without fancying me."

Totally agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

For me that is important but unfortunately we do tend to go by the cover of the book... in my experience there have been people I have met in real life that have not thought any more of but as I have got to know them have actually thought I do fancy them... it is all about connection but there has to be some form of Physical Attraction as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting question. And a bit chicken and egg for me.

I've been to bed with women I find attractive but they've been disappointing thus diminishing attraction and women I didn't find attractive but have been fantastic thus adding to attraction.

I would have to say it is connection which makes someone attractive to me even if it's just for the one night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fab (like tinder too) is all about attraction and physical and that is the way of the world now. Better physical aspects are seen as important rather than anything.

But its a culture as society we are breading, young people are coming into adulthood watching love island etc and they want that life style!

Its not all bad, as people are being more health conscious for better physicality but obviously we have more people looking at joey essex than steven hawkin as role models.

Fab is about sex, so i have no issue with people judging 'the cover' rather than the book.

Personally, i like personality and that for me will always win but again, there has to be something i like about the person physically.

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford

It’s the nature of the place and a reason I don’t do as well as others. However as soon as I find a website where popularity is judged by knowing about old cars or ‘80s pop music I’ll be basted in moist clunge

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

I indeed need to find a lady attractive NOT brain fueled by peak horn and anyone will do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

What a ridiculous question-Why not stop to ask yourself the question before posting these threads?

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I have to fancy someone but my idea of attractive is not the conventionally good looking types. And i have to fancy their personality. I have never had sex with someone based on their looks. Personality has always been a key factor.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

There has to be attraction across the board, both physically and personality wise, for me to want to have sex with someone, without it it would be cold, clinical and meaningless and therefore unsatisfactory.

It's actually the attraction of personality and the connection and chemistry that is strongest for me - if they're not there, someone could be very physically attractive but would still not be someone I would want to sleep with

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

To me it is important although until you meet someone face to face it is difficult to tell. I have said "no thank you" to men who message then later bumped into them at a club or party and saw them in a different light.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me? Extremely important.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is very important, but it’s on a par with connection and chemistry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

Most guys on here will shag anything that moves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "
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For me, quite important - physical attraction is part of the wanting, longing and desiring to be with that person.

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By *ymRipped86Man
over a year ago

Nottingham

"I believe someone who you may not find particularly attractive, can still be sexy and turn you on."

Agree with this. Some people have a presence or a way about them that is sexy or is attractive in person but not be what you normally go for looks wise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me? Extremely important. "

Course it is, it's what initiates interest. Yes, personality, intellect etc all come into play but it's how a person looks that catches the eye and makes me want to find out more.

Shallow? I don't think so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Very. I'm not going to sleep with someone that I don't find attractive, as I wouldn't expect anyone to play with me if I wasn't their cup of tea

I get men I am not attracted to either saying can I do it if I get paid or they highly skilled in xyz or got a great personality....

Oh I get this all the time!! It’s just annoying and I ignore it.

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

Most guys on here will shag anything that moves

True, the woman has no public photos, no bio or face pic and men are all over her like bees and honey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all. I only talk to people I'm not physically attracted to to see if I can fancy their personality

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By *obbychickWoman
over a year ago

Essex

I have to have both a physical attraction and mentally attracted to their personality.

Sometimes when I really start liking their personality, they seem to have a more physical attraction to me.

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Not at all. I only talk to people I'm not physically attracted to to see if I can fancy their personality

Does it work when it comes to sex? I never really experienced it myself so just curious...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s the whole package...someone can have a hot body and so nothing for me, someone else more average and turn me on like hell.

It’s connection and chemistry wherever that comes from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not at all. I only talk to people I'm not physically attracted to to see if I can fancy their personality

That’s why you talk to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly , I have never fucked anyone because they had a great personality....

But I tend to more shallow when I’m vanilla dating compared to swinging........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

Of course it is that’s only 50%. The end of the day doesn’t matter you’ve got a pretty face or a nice body. but if your personality and attitude is not good it’s gonna make you ugly

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

With that mentality, I stay clear of 99.9% of fab men. I think I only met one guy on here that's been such a gentleman. We been chatting ever since start of lockdown and he's a youngster but with a mind and attitude of a wize man

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By *orthantsblueeyesMan
over a year ago

Northampton

Physical and mental attraction

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By *orraine999Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere

Physical and mental. Without both it would be like trying to light a wet match, there’s no spark. Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Physical and mental. Without both it would be like trying to light a wet match, there’s no spark. Xx"

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feeling a mental and erotic connection are the things that would cause me to want to meet someone for more than just a social If it isn’t mutual the urge goes away fast.

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By *ickyxxx69Man
over a year ago

Bedford

As an uger I would say not important

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me the mental connection is more important than physical looks... I think height is probably my only requirement.. Oh and that they are strong... I like to wriggle /wrestle

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By *wentMan
over a year ago

blackpool

Me and my mate used to have a philosophy of a holes a goal. But as I have matured now any holes has 2 goals.

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Physical and mental. Without both it would be like trying to light a wet match, there’s no spark. Xx"

Just don't see that from the fab men that message me. As long as I'm horny, they don't need to know if I'm kind, funny, friendly.. just have my legs open 24/7...they be happy

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By *odd4funnMan
over a year ago

Walthamstow Leyton

personally i do believe there has to be a connection The problem on any site a personality dosnt show through messaging

Looks are a good start body etc You just sometimes have to meet and hope Works most times as we are all on the site looking for different scenarios so we all try and find the connection that way

Meeting is by far the best way to find if you click Chat and see

Rod

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

It's very important for me , plus a personality and chemistry is a big bonus!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Physical and mental. Without both it would be like trying to light a wet match, there’s no spark. Xx

Just don't see that from the fab men that message me. As long as I'm horny, they don't need to know if I'm kind, funny, friendly.. just have my legs open 24/7...they be happy

That's absolutely their loss in the long run! I guess they kinda rule themselves out fairly quickly on that basis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everything important in life starts with a thought.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

I’m not looking for a lifetime partner on here, surely if you wanted that, you’d go to a normal dating site, not a swinging one. I think some people forget why the place actually exists.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

I’m not looking for a lifetime partner on here, surely if you wanted that, you’d go to a normal dating site, not a swinging one. I think some people forget why the place actually exists.

So men are only gentlemen to life partners?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

I’m not looking for a lifetime partner on here, surely if you wanted that, you’d go to a normal dating site, not a swinging one. I think some people forget why the place actually exists.

So men are only gentlemen to life partners?

No I’m not saying that at all. I’m compassionate - I care about people, but I don’t really want to get close mentally because that would turn a primarily sexual relationship into something more, which I don’t come on here for. And I suspect most others don’t either.

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By *abonWoman
over a year ago

L’boro/Ashby & Cheltenham

"Feeling a mental and erotic connection are the things that would cause me to want to meet someone for more than just a social If it isn’t mutual the urge goes away fast."

I really like that..an erotic connection. Can be caused by any number of things...looks, personality, manner...I think you’ve nailed it there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

I’m not looking for a lifetime partner on here, surely if you wanted that, you’d go to a normal dating site, not a swinging one. I think some people forget why the place actually exists.

So men are only gentlemen to life partners?

Men can be gentlemen to one and all. Common courtesy costs nothing regardless of where the interaction ends up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

Most guys on here will shag anything that moves

True, the woman has no public photos, no bio or face pic and men are all over her like bees and honey

It is true. I get ridiculous amounts of messages asking for a fuck, even though I only have 1 crap pic and rubbish text.

It's put me off meeting anyone on here!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everything important in life starts with a thought.....

True

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it’s very important I mean the chemistry is a big one too but you have to be attracted to one another surely ?

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By *edHeadedFunWoman
over a year ago

Didsbury

There has to be the initial physical attraction to spark the interest to talk but for me it would be their personality that would be the ultimate factor on meeting

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

I can only speak for us, but without physical attraction then we wouldn't want to get our hands on somebody's body. It's essential, but it isn't the only or most important thing. How we get on is also an essential factor. We wouldn't get it on with somebody just because of how they look.

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

I’m not looking for a lifetime partner on here, surely if you wanted that, you’d go to a normal dating site, not a swinging one. I think some people forget why the place actually exists.

So men are only gentlemen to life partners?

So I guessing men's attitude is treat the women who enjoy casual sex like a a piece of rubbish and the ones they want to fall in love with and marry like princesses... I'm definitely in the wrong place then!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

I’m not looking for a lifetime partner on here, surely if you wanted that, you’d go to a normal dating site, not a swinging one. I think some people forget why the place actually exists.

So men are only gentlemen to life partners?

I'll marry you.

I don't mind sharing either

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By *oxyvixen99Woman
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

I’m not looking for a lifetime partner on here, surely if you wanted that, you’d go to a normal dating site, not a swinging one. I think some people forget why the place actually exists.

So men are only gentlemen to life partners?

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I've never found that

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

On a site like this, there has to be a physical attraction. Additionally, for me, if there is no spark or sense of humour then I am not going there.

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By *Wman15Man
over a year ago

Altrincham

Physical attractiveness, sense of humour, sparkling personality, interesting conversation....I really am on the wrong website

Anyone attracted to someone who only posts inane comments??

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Depends how horny I am

Same here, sometimes I’m so horny pretty much all reasoning goes out the window

I’m not looking for a lifetime partner on here, surely if you wanted that, you’d go to a normal dating site, not a swinging one. I think some people forget why the place actually exists.

So men are only gentlemen to life partners?

I've not found it to be the case and the men who think this and generalise their own attitude to all do their gender a disservice.

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

It’s vital - as is a mental connection.

When I first joined fab I focused on the physical attraction part and had a lot of reasonably good (sometimes fantastic) sex with some stunningly attractive men - because I could.

Several years later I look for a combination of both. The men may not be ‘stunning’ now but they’re attractive to me - and they have great personalities so I can spend hours with them NOT shagging too.

Generally - but still not always (no guarantees unfortunately) - the sex is fucking amazing!

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By *enuine MikeMan
over a year ago

Guildford

very important as without the attraction my junk won't work.

I've had endless chats with women on this site, get on really well and then the prospect of a meet comes to an ubrupt end when the face or body pics come through.

Does this make me shallow? I need physical attraction to be aroused xx

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By *etite_delightWoman
over a year ago

BunnyLand

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

Erm isn’t that the whole point? why would you want to have sex if there is no attraction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never put little Nippy anywhere I didn't fancy....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Really, REALLY important

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah it is important

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By *assing Fancies xCouple
over a year ago

Sherwood Forest

For us it's very we couldn't fuck someone we weren't remotely attracted too, there has to be something there we find yummy

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

Erm isn’t that the whole point? why would you want to have sex if there is no attraction

duno according to some "any hole is a goal"

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"very important as without the attraction my junk won't work.

I've had endless chats with women on this site, get on really well and then the prospect of a meet comes to an ubrupt end when the face or body pics come through.

Does this make me shallow? I need physical attraction to be aroused xx"

respectful question, how did you get attracted to them and get a great rapport when you saw no photos?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very... I need to be physically and mentally attracted to someone, to want to fuck them

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

Very, according to most people on here.

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By *etite_delightWoman
over a year ago

BunnyLand

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

Erm isn’t that the whole point? why would you want to have sex if there is no attraction

duno according to some "any hole is a goal" "

I find this as a very shallow approach and I don’t think I would ever able to understand that view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"very important as without the attraction my junk won't work.

I've had endless chats with women on this site, get on really well and then the prospect of a meet comes to an ubrupt end when the face or body pics come through.

Does this make me shallow? I need physical attraction to be aroused xx"

You go off them or they go off you when the pics are sent?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s important, but if they don’t have an attractive personality then they’re merely something nice to look at, and that’s where it ends- won’t take it any further. Viv xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vital. Obviously personality keeps my attention but I wouldn't want anyone to have sex with me if they didn't fancy me

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By *icearmsMan
over a year ago

KIDLINGTON

"Depends how horny I am

Have paper bag will travel..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No attraction, no fuckery

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By *pider-WomanWoman
over a year ago

Exeter, Bristol, Plymouth, Truro

The fact that a womans profile with no pictures get flooded with messages probably answers the question.

I dont have a fab criteria any different from real life.

Yep I need that wow factor.

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By * Lexi xWoman
over a year ago

stockport

Attraction is an absolute must!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do go a lot by a face, but it's the glint in the eye and the cheeky smile that can win me over.

Personality is a big there for me too, so I guess that's the need for a connection too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have to be physically attracted to someone, but attraction comes in many forms x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a date then very important.In a club in the heat of the moment,doesn't matter.

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By *ing_of_the_swingers400Man
over a year ago

edinbugh

Asked me the same question a few years ago and yes it would have mattered but now I have to say I prefer the personality and whether we get along more now as I feel more comfortable with that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its everything. If im not attracted to someone i wont do anything pbysical with them

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Necessary but not sufficient, they got to have the looks, personality and the mind. You like what you like , there’s no formula

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's important as is personality. If physical attraction wasn't important to me, I could of met a lot of women by now

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Depends how horny I am

Have paper bag will travel..

You know the way....

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By *acavityMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Attitude is (almost) everything.

Some people might look like models, but have an attitude of detachment and entitlement.

Other people might not be models but have filthy minds, vivid imaginations and healthy appetites for all the pleasures of the flesh.

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

It’s of the highest importance to me - It’s just sex and I want to feel attracted to and turned on with someone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It has some importance but not as much as the personality.

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

It’s of the highest importance to me - It’s just sex and I want to feel attracted to and turned on with someone

Definitely so when you see face pic too late, your heart sinks.

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

i personally can't have sex without I'm not physically or mentally find attractive. When you got all 3: physical, mental and sexual chemistry.... bammm fireworks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

I'd say about 40% important for me to engage in conversation and consider taking it further. I find physical attraction growing with a tick in every other box. Having said so, there have to be a fair few boxes ticket for me to drop my knickers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

Very. If not there it's not happening."

This.

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

It’s of the highest importance to me - It’s just sex and I want to feel attracted to and turned on with someone

Definitely so when you see face pic too late, your heart sinks.

Doesn’t it just !

Tbh face is more important than body to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

It’s of the highest importance to me - It’s just sex and I want to feel attracted to and turned on with someone

Definitely so when you see face pic too late, your heart sinks.

Doesn’t it just !

Tbh face is more important than body to me

Get it out there first so there’s no facial disappointments later on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me, physical attraction is important. I can generally tell straight away if I'm attracted to you. But it also helps if we can have an easy flow of conversation on the 1st meet

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over a year ago

I can generally tell straight away if I'm attracted to him. It helps if we can have an easy flow of conversation on the 1st meet. A man with a quick, clever wit gets my interest too. There's so much more to attraction than just physical....although that is very important too.

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By *wistedTooCouple
over a year ago

Frimley

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab? "

Utterly important.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How really important is physical attraction when it comes to sex and on fab?

Very. If not there it's not happening."

This

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

It’s essential to both of us , can’t fuck someone you don’t fancy

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By *oulja_01000Man
over a year ago

North East

Essential - A bit of chemistry and physical attraction goes a long way!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me essential. But it comes in different forms. There could be someone who I would think is ok looks wise but the chemistry is intense, they then become the most handsome person in the world to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Depends how horny I am

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Yes same here

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By *ndy64hMan
over a year ago

Plymouth

There has to be something there, I couldn't and wouldn't enjoy being with someone without some attraction.

Once I'm kissed, I'm easy.

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By *latinumkittenWoman
over a year ago

from Home Counties to Middle Earth

Of course, looks can gain attention. It's more than eye candy for me. If they don't engage my mind, I don't care how drop dead gorgeous they may look, it's not an attractive package and therefore not happening.

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By *herryblossom_BJ OP Woman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Of course, looks can gain attention. It's more than eye candy for me. If they don't engage my mind, I don't care how drop dead gorgeous they may look, it's not an attractive package and therefore not happening."

yeah get that... I can really find the guy super hot, but terrible attitude and personality turns me completely off... if i just went for looks, if the sexual experience went wrong then I saw the tale tale signs and ignored it

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