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"I won’t be going in one Ditto " I think everyone is different I think it will take a long time for people to go back to the way they were | |||
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"I won’t be going in one " You can't go in a pub anyway you've got to go and do my shopping remember | |||
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"I've been out and about and having a great time. It has been so so important for my mental health (in my humble opinion) and completely changed my lockdown outlook at this time, as I get back to my normal *happy self. It's been great. Those who want to stay locked up inside - that is okay and I hope / trust lockdown is treating you and your mental well-being ... well. Those who are alone or going stir-crazy - I would advise to go out on social meets and to have some fun. As for social distancing in pubs - I don't really agree with it. Some places are so strict its like visiting a zoo, you can look but you cannot interact - so what socialising is possible? By all means limit numbers, track and trace, and take temperatures if possible, but once inside people should be allowed to mingle, because if any single person gets Covid-19 then ALL persons in that establishment will be forced into isolation anyway regardless of the social distancing regime. " It's not about the socialising right now, it's about people who are in their own bubble getting a change of scenery and getting the economy out of a nosedive as safely as possible. You should only be going into these places with those you live with or those who are in your support bubble. | |||
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"As for social distancing in pubs - I don't really agree with it. Some places are so strict its like visiting a zoo, you can look but you cannot interact - so what socialising is possible? . . . It's not about the socialising right now, it's about people who are in their own bubble getting a change of scenery and getting the economy out of a nosedive as safely as possible. You should only be going into these places with those you live with or those who are in your support bubble." Noooope! I respectfully disagree So those who are single without bubble partners should just stay at home? & who wants to go paint the town (until 4am) with their mum or nan or family bumble? So that has not been my experience in Nottingham ( "full of fun" ). People are out to socialise. Funnily, lot's of women STILL love being "hit on" and how the hell do you do that from a separate table 2metres away?!? | |||
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"Pubs down here are so busy that we have armed response police on foot patrol Personally, the amount of police and security lining the steets is all a bit intimating " Christ on a trike Wankie if a woman with a kill em all tattoo is intimated I’m fucked if I’d go in your pubs!!!! Plus I don’t drink!! And don’t go in to pubs. T | |||
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"I was stood outside one Fri Sat night just gone and all I can say is most people don't give a fuck Well I do so stick to social distancing and if a bouncer says it's table bookings only fuck off pestering to be squeezed in or just because there's a free table outside they demand it even though it's booked.. Honestly so many people are scum bags and ruining it for the responsible people " | |||
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"I was stood outside one Fri Sat night just gone and all I can say is most people don't give a fuck Well I do so stick to social distancing and if a bouncer says it's table bookings only fuck off pestering to be squeezed in or just because there's a free table outside they demand it even though it's booked.. Honestly so many people are scum bags and ruining it for the responsible people " I can't speak for your locals but here we have already hacked the system. Bouncers are not able to police or verify your groups, so "Bubbles" are being created ad hoc, typically in the queue for the pub, or inside the pub itself ( if SD rules are weak ). Need to *hack the Table Reservation system? Book ahead by how *Lucky you think you will be, and then, if you pull, your party of 2 becomes a party of 4. Also makes you *very popular in the queue if you have a table reservation and the girls you are chatting up don’t. | |||
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"As for social distancing in pubs - I don't really agree with it. Some places are so strict its like visiting a zoo, you can look but you cannot interact - so what socialising is possible? . . . It's not about the socialising right now, it's about people who are in their own bubble getting a change of scenery and getting the economy out of a nosedive as safely as possible. You should only be going into these places with those you live with or those who are in your support bubble. Noooope! I respectfully disagree So those who are single without bubble partners should just stay at home? & who wants to go paint the town (until 4am) with their mum or nan or family bumble? So that has not been my experience in Nottingham ( "full of fun" ). People are out to socialise. Funnily, lot's of women STILL love being "hit on" and how the hell do you do that from a separate table 2metres away?!?" I'm not saying single people should stay home. What I'm saying is the rules and guidelines are there to keep people as safe as possible. The government have opened these places with the condition people use common sense and follow the guidelines and rules. Unfortunately it's still a case of social lives being mainly online, in outdoor spaces and engaging with neighbours you pass in the street from a safe distance. I for one, am getting pretty fucked off with people who think the rules don't apply to them. Why? Because I work in a restaurant and am only working again BECAUSE of the safeguarding in place. If the industry gets closed back down again it will be because of those who think hitting on others and getting in their personal space is more important than other peoples lives and livelihoods. Businesses have had to have risk assessments to be able to open again, cost a fortune to adapt, yet people STILL have zero respect for it. It's incredibly sad. | |||
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"Pubs down here are so busy that we have armed response police on foot patrol Personally, the amount of police and security lining the steets is all a bit intimating Christ on a trike Wankie if a woman with a kill em all tattoo is intimated I’m fucked if I’d go in your pubs!!!! Plus I don’t drink!! And don’t go in to pubs. T" Tell me about it To be honest its like "what do they know we don't" its very over the top! | |||
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"I was stood outside one Fri Sat night just gone and all I can say is most people don't give a fuck Well I do so stick to social distancing and if a bouncer says it's table bookings only fuck off pestering to be squeezed in or just because there's a free table outside they demand it even though it's booked.. Honestly so many people are scum bags and ruining it for the responsible people I can't speak for your locals but here we have already hacked the system. Bouncers are not able to police or verify your groups, so "Bubbles" are being created ad hoc, typically in the queue for the pub, or inside the pub itself ( if SD rules are weak ). Need to *hack the Table Reservation system? Book ahead by how *Lucky you think you will be, and then, if you pull, your party of 2 becomes a party of 4. Also makes you *very popular in the queue if you have a table reservation and the girls you are chatting up don’t. " I really do hope you're trolling and not actually being this irresponsible | |||
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"I was stood outside one Fri Sat night just gone and all I can say is most people don't give a fuck Well I do so stick to social distancing and if a bouncer says it's table bookings only fuck off pestering to be squeezed in or just because there's a free table outside they demand it even though it's booked.. Honestly so many people are scum bags and ruining it for the responsible people I can't speak for your locals but here we have already hacked the system. Bouncers are not able to police or verify your groups, so "Bubbles" are being created ad hoc, typically in the queue for the pub, or inside the pub itself ( if SD rules are weak ). Need to *hack the Table Reservation system? Book ahead by how *Lucky you think you will be, and then, if you pull, your party of 2 becomes a party of 4. Also makes you *very popular in the queue if you have a table reservation and the girls you are chatting up don’t. " The place I'm working goes like this .. You book either calling up or facey ,Insta , or the website. Your details are left with email addresses and the table number of people max 5. So when I spot outside 4 lads sat with 3 girls who've booked its?? down to me to fuck them off or the whole table goes and there's no more drinks . Mason The Bastard | |||
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"I was stood outside one Fri Sat night just gone and all I can say is most people don't give a fuck Well I do so stick to social distancing and if a bouncer says it's table bookings only fuck off pestering to be squeezed in or just because there's a free table outside they demand it even though it's booked.. Honestly so many people are scum bags and ruining it for the responsible people I can't speak for your locals but here we have already hacked the system. Bouncers are not able to police or verify your groups, so "Bubbles" are being created ad hoc, typically in the queue for the pub, or inside the pub itself ( if SD rules are weak ). Need to *hack the Table Reservation system? Book ahead by how *Lucky you think you will be, and then, if you pull, your party of 2 becomes a party of 4. Also makes you *very popular in the queue if you have a table reservation and the girls you are chatting up don’t. I really do hope you're trolling and not actually being this irresponsible " People are doing this all night long and I'm getting tired explaining you can't rock up not booked in and join people who have and we know exactly how many people should be there . I've gone over and seen 5 people at a table turn into 8 and said look put it back or leave . It's making the job hard and the look on their faces is priceless when I say I don't make the rules but this place will shut if you take the piss | |||
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"I was stood outside one Fri Sat night just gone and all I can say is most people don't give a fuck Well I do so stick to social distancing and if a bouncer says it's table bookings only fuck off pestering to be squeezed in or just because there's a free table outside they demand it even though it's booked.. Honestly so many people are scum bags and ruining it for the responsible people I can't speak for your locals but here we have already hacked the system. Bouncers are not able to police or verify your groups, so "Bubbles" are being created ad hoc, typically in the queue for the pub, or inside the pub itself ( if SD rules are weak ). Need to *hack the Table Reservation system? Book ahead by how *Lucky you think you will be, and then, if you pull, your party of 2 becomes a party of 4. Also makes you *very popular in the queue if you have a table reservation and the girls you are chatting up don’t. I really do hope you're trolling and not actually being this irresponsible People are doing this all night long and I'm getting tired explaining you can't rock up not booked in and join people who have and we know exactly how many people should be there . I've gone over and seen 5 people at a table turn into 8 and said look put it back or leave . It's making the job hard and the look on their faces is priceless when I say I don't make the rules but this place will shut if you take the piss" We have removed all our outdoor tables apart from the ones anchored to the ground which luckily are a decent distance apart. We aren't doing food outside and it's not going too badly at the moment. Had a woman reduced to tears the other day and I felt quite sorry for her because it wasn't an "I'll do what I want" attitude on her, it was simple carelessness. In each waitress area we have made staff only zones where we keep all the sauces, cutlery and condiments needed for the tables in the area. It's got signs all round. Well, she thought she would save me a job when her family was seated and helped herself to a bottle of mayo and salt shaker. When she realised I now had to clean everything and I mean everything from my station she was horrified. Over 100 items sanitised by hand individually all because of one person thinking they were "helping" | |||
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"I was stood outside one Fri Sat night just gone and all I can say is most people don't give a fuck Well I do so stick to social distancing and if a bouncer says it's table bookings only fuck off pestering to be squeezed in or just because there's a free table outside they demand it even though it's booked.. Honestly so many people are scum bags and ruining it for the responsible people I can't speak for your locals but here we have already hacked the system. Bouncers are not able to police or verify your groups, so "Bubbles" are being created ad hoc, typically in the queue for the pub, or inside the pub itself ( if SD rules are weak ). Need to *hack the Table Reservation system? Book ahead by how *Lucky you think you will be, and then, if you pull, your party of 2 becomes a party of 4. Also makes you *very popular in the queue if you have a table reservation and the girls you are chatting up don’t. " Very big and clever | |||
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"I had one table try swapping two girls who's fellas were outside with two randoms trying it on I swear the look on her face explaining it was like she was just about to crash head first off a cliff Then there's the DJ ..no Dj's when the venue's only a 1/3 full legally so why spend £125 a night for that. No dancing either so it's all very good in theory just the arseholes coming in's the problem" Yep.... dear arseholes... get over yourselves. We don't actually WANT your custom! | |||
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" I really do hope you're trolling and not actually being this irresponsible " Okay, let's wade in ... Firstly, yes being serious - by all means use green arrow of truth to see that I have been quite consistent on this matter. If Covid-19 takes me, then "You can take our lives, but you cannot take our Freedom " will be on my epitaph. Secondly, *context, I am talking about a Fri or Saturday night in a fairly large city centre on par with Leeds, Newcastle, Birmingham, etc. I am not talking about going to your local or village pub or restaurant for a sit down meal. Though, alas, ironically, Nottngham has already had a few such pubs closed as the Bar Manager / Licensor - could not give a fuck either ... Which brings me to Mason. | |||
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" People are doing this all night long and I'm getting tired explaining you can't rock up not booked in and join people who have and we know exactly how many people should be there . I've gone over and seen 5 people at a table turn into 8 and said look put it back or leave . It's making the job hard and the look on their faces is priceless when I say I don't make the rules but this place will shut if you take the piss" I did say that forming "bubbles" inside a pub, can only happen when the SD rules are weak. Where there are bouncers like you, and strict table management, then I will book a table for 4 ( even if I am only out with my mate ). It has worked like a charm and there has been nothing the bouncer can do about it. Because I have not breach "the rules". But in actual fact, bars and venues are not full and partly empty because of the Strict Table etiquette, and people simply NOT turning up. I have seen Bar Managers ( i.e. Your *Boss ) really fed up by this. So when I do turn up and I spend a lot of money on a single round and throughout the night, and we DO break the rules, and mix a table which was previously separate. And a Bouncer comes over to have a go, and the Bar Manager heads him off and says "Leave him alone, he's a good customer" ... because the place is otherwise empty. You learn one thing, okay two things ... 1) Money makes you handsome 2) I am putting my money where my mouth is by actively supporting the pubs and bars. I don't agree with the strict table management - its bad for business (imho). I am entitled to that opinion. If you are like such a soft lad that you dare not "risk it" (for a chocolate biscuit), then by all means stay at home, wrap yourself up in cotton wool, and be well my friend. | |||
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" People are doing this all night long and I'm getting tired explaining you can't rock up not booked in and join people who have and we know exactly how many people should be there . I've gone over and seen 5 people at a table turn into 8 and said look put it back or leave . It's making the job hard and the look on their faces is priceless when I say I don't make the rules but this place will shut if you take the piss I did say that forming "bubbles" inside a pub, can only happen when the SD rules are weak. Where there are bouncers like you, and strict table management, then I will book a table for 4 ( even if I am only out with my mate ). It has worked like a charm and there has been nothing the bouncer can do about it. Because I have not breach "the rules". But in actual fact, bars and venues are not full and partly empty because of the Strict Table etiquette, and people simply NOT turning up. I have seen Bar Managers ( i.e. Your *Boss ) really fed up by this. So when I do turn up and I spend a lot of money on a single round and throughout the night, and we DO break the rules, and mix a table which was previously separate. And a Bouncer comes over to have a go, and the Bar Manager heads him off and says "Leave him alone, he's a good customer" ... because the place is otherwise empty. You learn one thing, okay two things ... 1) Money makes you handsome 2) I am putting my money where my mouth is by actively supporting the pubs and bars. I don't agree with the strict table management - its bad for business (imho). I am entitled to that opinion. If you are like such a soft lad that you dare not "risk it" (for a chocolate biscuit), then by all means stay at home, wrap yourself up in cotton wool, and be well my friend. " You know why these places aren't full? Because yes, they have done plenty of table management etc for safe SD rules, but it goes further than that. It's about keeping footfall in areas as low and safe as possible. That's why there are measures in place like staggered bookings... so everyone doesn't turn up at once, so people are entering and leaving at different times. By actively supporting said pubs and bars YOUR way, you're very likely to be the reason they close again | |||
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" You know why these places aren't full? Because yes, they have done plenty of table management etc for safe SD rules, but it goes further than that. It's about keeping footfall in areas as low and safe as possible. That's why there are measures in place like staggered bookings... so everyone doesn't turn up at once, so people are entering and leaving at different times. By actively supporting said pubs and bars YOUR way, you're very likely to be the reason they close again " You seen to be arguing and yet agreeing with me? Yes, strict table management is causing the venues to be less than FULL all by itself, I agree. && I said that people are just not turning up or not staying long because of it too. Double Footfall Killer My Way, is that, SINCE, everyone will need to be isolated in the event of a Covid-19 positive test, then in reality, the further SD isolation inside is not worth the (track 'n trace) paper upon which we are otherwise reliant upon in any event. When you are in a restaurant or coffee shop with friends. Great. No probs. But in a Bar/Club on a Fri or Saturday night until 2am/4am. Makes no sense to me. & I believe there are Bar Managers and Licensee who would agree with me. They are just paying "lip service" in order to be open for business and to save their business and their staff's jobs. Any positive Covid-19 test will close a pub; regardless of whether or not they implemented strict table management?! | |||
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" You know why these places aren't full? Because yes, they have done plenty of table management etc for safe SD rules, but it goes further than that. It's about keeping footfall in areas as low and safe as possible. That's why there are measures in place like staggered bookings... so everyone doesn't turn up at once, so people are entering and leaving at different times. By actively supporting said pubs and bars YOUR way, you're very likely to be the reason they close again You seen to be arguing and yet agreeing with me? Yes, strict table management is causing the venues to be less than FULL all by itself, I agree. && I said that people are just not turning up or not staying long because of it too. Double Footfall Killer My Way, is that, SINCE, everyone will need to be isolated in the event of a Covid-19 positive test, then in reality, the further SD isolation inside is not worth the (track 'n trace) paper upon which we are otherwise reliant upon in any event. When you are in a restaurant or coffee shop with friends. Great. No probs. But in a Bar/Club on a Fri or Saturday night until 2am/4am. Makes no sense to me. & I believe there are Bar Managers and Licensee who would agree with me. They are just paying "lip service" in order to be open for business and to save their business and their staff's jobs. Any positive Covid-19 test will close a pub; regardless of whether or not they implemented strict table management?!" I'm not agreeing with you that not being full is bad for business. I'm saying that they're not full on purpose a lot of the time. You see, if people ARE sticking to their bubbles and being cautious, then there *shouldn't* be another spike, but as you yourself are proving, the general public cannot be trusted to follow or respect rules. They won't be saving jobs once they get closed back down again, as you yourself have also once more proved by saying there have already been closures. Be part of the solution not the problem. | |||
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"Any positive Covid-19 test will close a pub; regardless of whether or not they implemented strict table management?! I'm not agreeing with you that not being full is bad for business. I'm saying that they're not full on purpose a lot of the time. You see, if people ARE sticking to their bubbles and being cautious, then there *shouldn't* be another spike, but as you yourself are proving, the general public cannot be trusted to follow or respect rules. They won't be saving jobs once they get closed back down again, as you yourself have also once more proved by saying there have already been closures. Be part of the solution not the problem." You have misquoted me in a poor attempt to make a faulty point. You appear to have backtracked to the ONLY people in "bubbles" should be allowed out in the first instance. That is just plain NONSENSE especially in a Late Night Bar/Club venue scenario/context. Also I understand the need to keep numbers less than FULL and to implement good Trace 'n Tracking system. This is the key to *both our arguments. However, I repeat even venues who implement strict table management will be closed down if they experience a positive covid-19 test, regardless of the clientele they let in. Unless you are suggesting that ONLY people like me are Positive C19 - *Super Spreaders - then I suggest your argument logic is flawed. It goes back to those posters who seek to *label people as intrinsically bad, just because they hold different opinions on "risk". So please don't patronise me and make a logical argument instead. | |||
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"Just for the record anyone booking where I bounce needs to put the names of people in the group . If you're a chancer and hope to pull a few fittys you better hope you're the type to pre guess their name as if your name's not down Guess what ?? Your not comi....." Agreed. The place I went to over the weekend ... the Bar Manager (not the Bouncer) will allow you (on merit) to change your group upon entry - but ALL of your must provide your identity and contact details. No exceptions. Fair enough. Good Trace and Tracking. Everyone is HPY. | |||
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"Any positive Covid-19 test will close a pub; regardless of whether or not they implemented strict table management?! I'm not agreeing with you that not being full is bad for business. I'm saying that they're not full on purpose a lot of the time. You see, if people ARE sticking to their bubbles and being cautious, then there *shouldn't* be another spike, but as you yourself are proving, the general public cannot be trusted to follow or respect rules. They won't be saving jobs once they get closed back down again, as you yourself have also once more proved by saying there have already been closures. Be part of the solution not the problem. You have misquoted me in a poor attempt to make a faulty point. You appear to have backtracked to the ONLY people in "bubbles" should be allowed out in the first instance. That is just plain NONSENSE especially in a Late Night Bar/Club venue scenario/context. Also I understand the need to keep numbers less than FULL and to implement good Trace 'n Tracking system. This is the key to *both our arguments. However, I repeat even venues who implement strict table management will be closed down if they experience a positive covid-19 test, regardless of the clientele they let in. Unless you are suggesting that ONLY people like me are Positive C19 - *Super Spreaders - then I suggest your argument logic is flawed. It goes back to those posters who seek to *label people as intrinsically bad, just because they hold different opinions on "risk". So please don't patronise me and make a logical argument instead. " Not at all, you said not being full is bad for business IYHO, I said, that they aren't full on purpose to keep footfall in certain areas safe. I haven't backtracked at all. If you go out, you should remain in your bubble. Pretty sure I said that, and if you don't have a bubble then you should remain at a safe distance, again, pretty sure I said that too. Point being, regardless if whether I agree with the guidelines or rules, they ARE the rules, and businesses are doing what they can to remain open, reopen, keep the bills paid. That's it. That's all there is to it. It doesn't matter if there IS or ISN'T an oubreak in any of these places, if they are seen to be breaking the rules, if customers are seen to be breaking the rules they'll be closed back down. Yes, they'll certainly close if there is a positive test, but they'll also close if Joe Public can't follow basic instructions. That's my damn point. I'm not suggesting in the slightest that ONLY people like you are super spreaders, that could possibly be Jimminy Cricket in your ear. I never suggested you would spread it, I suggested your flouting of the rules will be the thing that closes the businesses down | |||
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"Did they take your contact details? I’ve never been out for a drink yet but apparently in Middlesbrough some of the pubs are not bothering " Okay and this is probably the CRUX of the debate on this thread, in my opinion. In Nottingham, some bars are really good at taking details, but in other bars they are not so good, and honestly, trace and tracking might not work out very well. The good ones take full name, mobile number, and email addresses for all members of the group. The poorer ones, just ask for those details from the *lead person of the group. Some take it on paper, some immediately take/store it electronically, via website. Some scan your driving license - using the same system they use to use for club access pre-Covid-19. In your local (or village) where the bouncer has known you since you were a nipper - they don't give a fuck. | |||
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