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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Loving that F1 is back and also that they have a sensible slogan to combat racism.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Agree

All lives matter, end racism is all encompassing

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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

Brilliant News.

Just thinking F1 still support races in countries who's human rights record is some of the worst, will they run a slightly different slogan there?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Brilliant News.

Just thinking F1 still support races in countries who's human rights record is some of the worst, will they run a slightly different slogan there?"

I hope not, it's a global message.

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By *unguy30Man
over a year ago

London

I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2

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By *ickygirl41Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Agree

All lives matter, end racism is all encompassing"

Fml

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2"

So history matters more than moving forward?

Judging the sins of the past will never help our future?

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By *unguy30Man
over a year ago

London

It matters when you don’t learn from it I bet he hasn’t refused pay from them while still moaning that enough isn’t being done

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It matters when you don’t learn from it I bet he hasn’t refused pay from them while still moaning that enough isn’t being done "

Do you drive a car, if so, what manufacturer?

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By *unguy30Man
over a year ago

London

"It matters when you don’t learn from it I bet he hasn’t refused pay from them while still moaning that enough isn’t being done

Do you drive a car, if so, what manufacturer? "

Nissan and yes I know they built plains for the Japanese and not with slave labour

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By *essysteveCouple
over a year ago

ALICANTE AREA SPAIN

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By *essysteveCouple
over a year ago

ALICANTE AREA SPAIN

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the whole rhetoric around Mercedes being spread around social media, epitomises the worst in peoples attitudes.

Just about any manufacturer can be linked to some unpleasant event in history, but that's a separate point to him raising awareness of modern episodes of racism?

I don't particularly take to the guy, but its as though people are angry at his stance because he's successful. Good luck to him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2

How exactly is he being racist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2

I couldn't agree more - all his money and privileged lifestyle yet he being the racist - it goes both ways. He is living in a tax haven flying all over the world in his private jet - I wonder what his 'white' half of the family think of him and his views"
agree hes not helping the cause, and judging by today he needs to worry a bit more about his driving, oh and btw he sold his jet a year or so ago and travels comercial now, but agree he should be living in england and paying tax, brilliant drive, one of the best ever, but doesnt think hard enough about how his actions look to others, oh and behore im branded a racist, i used to work with nick his younger brother in touring cars, so know and like the family well, in private lewis is a lovely guy, but needs to sack his pr girl i think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2

I couldn't agree more - all his money and privileged lifestyle yet he being the racist - it goes both ways. He is living in a tax haven flying all over the world in his private jet - I wonder what his 'white' half of the family think of him and his viewsagree hes not helping the cause, and judging by today he needs to worry a bit more about his driving, oh and btw he sold his jet a year or so ago and travels comercial now, but agree he should be living in england and paying tax, brilliant drive, one of the best ever, but doesnt think hard enough about how his actions look to others, oh and behore im branded a racist, i used to work with nick his younger brother in touring cars, so know and like the family well, in private lewis is a lovely guy, but needs to sack his pr girl i think."

This is a strawman argument. The topic is about racism yet people are going on about his taxes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This racist comments ect is getting out of hand. Everyone matters black or white!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree

All lives matter, end racism is all encompassing"
Yes I also agree, all lives matter

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2

I couldn't agree more - all his money and privileged lifestyle yet he being the racist - it goes both ways. He is living in a tax haven flying all over the world in his private jet - I wonder what his 'white' half of the family think of him and his viewsagree hes not helping the cause, and judging by today he needs to worry a bit more about his driving, oh and btw he sold his jet a year or so ago and travels comercial now, but agree he should be living in england and paying tax, brilliant drive, one of the best ever, but doesnt think hard enough about how his actions look to others, oh and behore im branded a racist, i used to work with nick his younger brother in touring cars, so know and like the family well, in private lewis is a lovely guy, but needs to sack his pr girl i think."

I’m sure he is a nice guy. However, I’m also sure his PR team didn’t tell him to wear the chain and lock?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This racist comments ect is getting out of hand. Everyone matters black or white!!! "

totallly agree, and as i said i consider Lewis a friend, and his younger , black, brother has done amazing things, the guy should be in a wheelchair, but not only has he forced himself againts great odds to walk, also has become a racing driver in his own right, and did it all without any money from his older brother, and touring cars aint cheap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

once again white leftis electing themselves too speak on behalf of black people and lecture everyone else on racism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"once again white leftis electing themselves too speak on behalf of black people and lecture everyone else on racism"

hope that wasnt aimed at me, im far from a leftie, but racism is an issue that needs looking at

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By *ustyshowoffCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2

So history matters more than moving forward?

Judging the sins of the past will never help our future?"

But it’s ok to do it when defacing and destroying statues in UK?

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By *he_virgin_maryWoman
over a year ago

Here, there and everywhere!

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2"

The guy truly is an idiot!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"once again white leftis electing themselves too speak on behalf of black people and lecture everyone else on racism"

Its a debate. No ones calling you out, and I'm certainly not a left wing advocate. Maybe its touching a nerve for some?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"once again white leftis electing themselves too speak on behalf of black people and lecture everyone else on racism

hope that wasnt aimed at me, im far from a leftie, but racism is an issue that needs looking at"

Probably aimed at me. 'Cause you know, being against racism is somehow a left wing thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i do love the new black paint job on the mercs tho ,looks amazing

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"once again white leftis electing themselves too speak on behalf of black people and lecture everyone else on racism

hope that wasnt aimed at me, im far from a leftie, but racism is an issue that needs looking at

Probably aimed at me. 'Cause you know, being against racism is somehow a left wing thing

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By *unguy30Man
over a year ago

London

"i do love the new black paint job on the mercs tho ,looks amazing"

I agree with the blue stripe looks good

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2

So history matters more than moving forward?

Judging the sins of the past will never help our future?

But it’s ok to do it when defacing and destroying statues in UK?"

No, it's not, it's vandalism. Pure and simple.

Disagreeing with something and taking a stance is very different to wilful destruction of public/others property.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I Particularly liked Lewis Hamilton’s chain link and padlock standing up to slavery. While wearing Mercedes and Hugo boss sponsors both who supported Nazis and used Jewish slave labour in ww2

So history matters more than moving forward?

Judging the sins of the past will never help our future?

But it’s ok to do it when defacing and destroying statues in UK?

No, it's not, it's vandalism. Pure and simple.

Disagreeing with something and taking a stance is very different to wilful destruction of public/others property."
the problem is, as with alot of things these days, rent a mob get involved, ive read that new york is all but a no go area atm, this sould not happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i do love the new black paint job on the mercs tho ,looks amazing"

Just a pity that black retains heat whereas the old silver colour reflected it. Therefore the car is more prone to overheating. I think it's a little silly that they've done that.

I used to like Lewis Hamilton but I've got a little bit sick of his self importance and the fact that he has become a self-elected voice on racism in F1. F1 came out in unison to tackle racism but he couldn't help put the boot in and try to shame over drivers to take the knee etc and subtly accuse them of racism. We need to work together and heal the world. United we stand, divided we fall. End racism now.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

Probably get slaughtered for this, but it IS my opinion, call me what you likeasi am not looking for an argument/discussion or anything else, so I will not return to this thread to read comments but only to avoid the temptation to answer... so... here goes...

I think all this BLM and the rioting etc has put racism back years, all the good work done over the last 20/30 years is being undone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably get slaughtered for this, but it IS my opinion, call me what you likeasi am not looking for an argument/discussion or anything else, so I will not return to this thread to read comments but only to avoid the temptation to answer... so... here goes...

I think all this BLM and the rioting etc has put racism back years, all the good work done over the last 20/30 years is being undone"

What it's done is further anger racists and brought out closet racists.

To everyone else it's educated them and helped them learn about institutional racism. It's taught many people that the UK isn't the racism-free country they believe it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think all this BLM and the rioting etc has put racism back years, all the good work done over the last 20/30 years is being undone

What it's done is further anger racists and brought out closet racists.

To everyone else it's educated them and helped them learn about institutional racism. It's taught many people that the UK isn't the racism-free country they believe it is."

are you saying that those that dont completely agree with blm are uneducated and racist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think all this BLM and the rioting etc has put racism back years, all the good work done over the last 20/30 years is being undone

What it's done is further anger racists and brought out closet racists.

To everyone else it's educated them and helped them learn about institutional racism. It's taught many people that the UK isn't the racism-free country they believe it is."

You can only judge a movement by what it achieves, and it is too soon to say what BLM will manage in that regard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What it's done is further anger racists and brought out closet racists.

To everyone else it's educated them and helped them learn about institutional racism. It's taught many people that the UK isn't the racism-free country they believe it is.

are you saying that those that dont completely agree with blm are uneducated and racist?"

No I did not say that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think all this BLM and the rioting etc has put racism back years, all the good work done over the last 20/30 years is being undone

What it's done is further anger racists and brought out closet racists.

To everyone else it's educated them and helped them learn about institutional racism. It's taught many people that the UK isn't the racism-free country they believe it is."

I think their post was relevant. For many people who don't see or experience or participate in any racist activity, they were simply conducting their lives from day to day like many folk.

BLM has caused division of opinions and many friends of mine disagree with its approach.

What I do find troubling, is the fact so many vocal people on the matter were as quiet as a mouse publicly on the subject several weeks ago.

Black lives matter...im cool with that stance and saying it. All racism is wrong and I recognise its prevalent in society. But to eradicate it, will need dialect from all parties, or itll simply be driven underground into pockets of micro aggression.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think all this BLM and the rioting etc has put racism back years, all the good work done over the last 20/30 years is being undone

What it's done is further anger racists and brought out closet racists.

To everyone else it's educated them and helped them learn about institutional racism. It's taught many people that the UK isn't the racism-free country they believe it is."

In your opinion.

To almost anyone that can think independently it's probably been a negative campaign as it concentrates on only one group and is not inclusive for all.

If you look at it objectively it is a case of 'Only Black Lives Matter', subjectively of course we are not so closed minded.

Sometimes actions or words that are fully intended to be positive turn out to have a negative impact?

End Racism is much more inclusive as it doesn't exclude anyone or put a higher priority or status on any one life.

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By *onkey_boy87Man
over a year ago

derby

I think all this BLM and the rioting etc has put racism back years, all the good work done over the last 20/30 years is being undone

What it's done is further anger racists and brought out closet racists.

To everyone else it's educated them and helped them learn about institutional racism. It's taught many people that the UK isn't the racism-free country they believe it is."

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

I agree..... it needed to be addressed - it is now more out in the open but.......

It’s given an awful lot of angry people a platform to scream and shout and create havoc and destruction where it is unwelcome, out of context and unnecessary. How can football hooligans looking for a fight in the recent demos be described and participating in BLM campaigns ....

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I think all this BLM and the rioting etc has put racism back years, all the good work done over the last 20/30 years is being undone

What it's done is further anger racists and brought out closet racists.

To everyone else it's educated them and helped them learn about institutional racism. It's taught many people that the UK isn't the racism-free country they believe it is.

You can only judge a movement by what it achieves, and it is too soon to say what BLM will manage in that regard. "

They have a nice new slogan for f1. I wonder what actual actions f1 took today to breathe life into that slogan. I admit I have no significant understanding of this... But I am not convinced a few words and a paint job and a cheap stunt make any material difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In your opinion.

To almost anyone that can think independently it's probably been a negative campaign as it concentrates on only one group and is not inclusive for all.

If you look at it objectively it is a case of 'Only Black Lives Matter', subjectively of course we are not so closed minded.

Sometimes actions or words that are fully intended to be positive turn out to have a negative impact?

End Racism is much more inclusive as it doesn't exclude anyone or put a higher priority or status on any one life. "

That's what I don't understand. Somehow supporting the movement means you're a lefty and a sheep following everyone else.

What sparked it was the killing of a black man by the police in the USA. Of course the focus of this is about black people because a recent event has triggered it.

Yet you've got lots of white people who have probably not experienced racism going "waaah what about me, doesn't my life matter"?

No one's saying a black life is more important than a white life. What BLM is saying is that racism and prejudice against black people is of more importance *right now* because of what is going on in the world *right now*.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In your opinion.

To almost anyone that can think independently it's probably been a negative campaign as it concentrates on only one group and is not inclusive for all.

If you look at it objectively it is a case of 'Only Black Lives Matter', subjectively of course we are not so closed minded.

Sometimes actions or words that are fully intended to be positive turn out to have a negative impact?

End Racism is much more inclusive as it doesn't exclude anyone or put a higher priority or status on any one life.

That's what I don't understand. Somehow supporting the movement means you're a lefty and a sheep following everyone else.

What sparked it was the killing of a black man by the police in the USA. Of course the focus of this is about black people because a recent event has triggered it.

Yet you've got lots of white people who have probably not experienced racism going "waaah what about me, doesn't my life matter"?

Tony Timpa

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In your opinion.

To almost anyone that can think independently it's probably been a negative campaign as it concentrates on only one group and is not inclusive for all.

If you look at it objectively it is a case of 'Only Black Lives Matter', subjectively of course we are not so closed minded.

Sometimes actions or words that are fully intended to be positive turn out to have a negative impact?

End Racism is much more inclusive as it doesn't exclude anyone or put a higher priority or status on any one life.

That's what I don't understand. Somehow supporting the movement means you're a lefty and a sheep following everyone else.

What sparked it was the killing of a black man by the police in the USA. Of course the focus of this is about black people because a recent event has triggered it.

Yet you've got lots of white people who have probably not experienced racism going "waaah what about me, doesn't my life matter"?

What it is also saying is that the racism faced by Latin communities in the US right now, or the South Asian communities in the UK is somehow less important than that faced by the Black community.

All racism is wrong and it shouldn't be a competition about who has it worst.