FabSwingers.com forum: Would you go vegan...

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

to ensure there’s not going to be another global pandemic again. So everyone else on the planet has agreed to go vegan, you’re the finally person, no one else knows the finally decision is yours, so if you said no, there’s no comeback, only you would know. Obviously vegans don’t need to answer this, go and have a vegan cigar ?!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Yeah probably I would

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By *onnaluvdollTV/TS
over a year ago

cork

Not a hope. Vegan heart strings tugging trip, loading the guilt on. That scenario has a much basis in fact as a vegan diet being healthy is truthful.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

No, not to prevent a global pandemic, but I would do it for a shag.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a vegan. Animal cruelty, environmental destruction and my own heath were the triggers for me, and I've not looked back.

Covid-19 originated either from a wet market or a lab in China. Neither is a good situation. I suspect we will never know the truth. There are strong arguments for both theories. I hope it was a wet market, as that is a very solvable problem. The lab... less so.

A lot of the most looming problems facing mankind could be resolved or significantly reduced by mankind switching to plant based diet.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Not a hope. Vegan heart strings tugging trip, loading the guilt on. That scenario has a much basis in fact as a vegan diet being healthy is truthful. "

This is just word salad, a scenario is a scenario, it has nothing to do with facts. But the fact remains the majority of global outbreaks are caused through eating or the handling of meat.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Also if I didn't I'd have to kill and butcher my own meat and I don't have those skills so I'd be vegan by default.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... a vegan diet being healthy is truthful. "

A vegan diet is exceptionally healthy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also if I didn't I'd have to kill and butcher my own meat and I don't have those skills so I'd be vegan by default. "

I could do both and sly you some, but would have to be a secret

ssshhhhh!

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Nah. Big ribeye please.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I love meat, but you’d have to be incredibly selfish not to go vegan in this case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love meat, but you’d have to be incredibly selfish not to go vegan in this case "

Dont give in to peer pressure. Eat the meat.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I love meat, but you’d have to be incredibly selfish not to go vegan in this case

Dont give in to peer pressure. Eat the meat. "

The rest of the planet is peer pressure, ok.

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By *hrisUB3Man
over a year ago

Heathrow

I don't think veganism would have saved us from the Black Death or Spanish Flu!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah, a hard decision, I'm plant free. No fruit no salad, no veg.. (chips), this diet got me bounced around the kitchen walls every meal time, as a child lol, probably not... just interested, if you read this and think , oh that's me too,. And your a ginger. Will you message me ; I know five gingers, three of us eat like this. Or is that just chance and I was a horrid child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rump steak this evening, so no ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love meat, but you’d have to be incredibly selfish not to go vegan in this case

Dont give in to peer pressure. Eat the meat.

The rest of the planet is peer pressure, ok."

In this scenario yes, everyone else is vegan, but you're not. And apparently if you dont go vegan you're being selfish. Total peer pressure to conform to what everyone else is doing.

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By *ensual 2Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

No thanks ....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Also if I didn't I'd have to kill and butcher my own meat and I don't have those skills so I'd be vegan by default.

I could do both and sly you some, but would have to be a secret

ssshhhhh! "

It won't go beyond these four walls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a vegan. Animal cruelty, environmental destruction and my own heath were the triggers for me, and I've not looked back.

A lot of the most looming problems facing mankind could be resolved or significantly reduced by mankind switching to plant based diet."

Yaaayyy another Vegan

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As if going vegan would stop another pandemic..

Think about it rationally you would have to prevent all interaction or close proximity of any animal of every type it all has to stop to prevent such..

So all pets have to go, all farm live stock goes, all zoo animals go...no swimming in the sea lakes, no walking in the forest or nature....total isolation from every species except humans....definitely not a society we would welcome..

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

I went veggie this year, it started as an experiment and I went full vegan at the time not because of animal welfare or the environment - just to see how I felt as the diet I was on was making me feel pretty horrid. I’ve moved back from 100% vegan to veggie so cheese and eggs, milk etc are still on the menu. I would never change my diet because someone said I had to for this cause or that - it will only work if you want to do it

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"I am a vegan. Animal cruelty, environmental destruction and my own heath were the triggers for me, and I've not looked back.

A lot of the most looming problems facing mankind could be resolved or significantly reduced by mankind switching to plant based diet."

Vegan is mid part of a solution to part of the problem. We all eat too much meat in the developed & developing world, cutting by half is probably more realistic than converting to Vegan as a worldwide project. The space to grow sufficient plant based food, although released from grain etc to feed food animals could well be a problem

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I would go vegan for less important reasons for that, if I could do so without compromising my health. (I'm not saying vegetarian or vegan diets are unhealthy, and I'm not arguing with anyone here about the specifics of my medical history)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fully vegan/vegetarian no, but if you everyone actually took a stance of reducing the consumption of meat on a daily basis, (say eat meat once or twice a week only) I think that’d do a lot of good for everyone and for the planet.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I've just cooked 4 vegan kebabs..... i'll slurp on those while I don't answer this.....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I've just cooked 4 vegan kebabs..... i'll slurp on those while I don't answer this....."

Didn't the vegans mind Granny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aside from the obvious i dont eat meat anyway but i like cheese too much to be vegan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I would but only if someone cooked for me. I was vegan for two years but got fed up of my entire life being focused on food.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. I absolutely love vegan food.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vegetarian yes. Vegan no.

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By *ightkitty4uWoman
over a year ago

Epsom

Can I stick to being a flexitarian, I like meat, fish, vegetarian and vegan meals....

Curries being my favourite vegan dishes red lentil Dahl

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By *oxychicWoman
over a year ago

Nottinghamshire

Nope not a chance

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

I’m assuming if everyone else has agreed to go vegan there wouldn’t be any meat products available anyway to choose from, so where is the choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not possible in our life time the US would go vegan so this scenario is far too unrealistic. I am eating alternate nights vegetarian food to reduce the amount

meat I eat however wouldn’t go totally vegan I like cheese too much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The space to grow sufficient plant based food, although released from grain etc to feed food animals could well be a problem "

The amazon rain forrest is being destroyed to make land for beef cattle to graze on. The amount of grain that's grown and fed to animals could feed the world many times over. The amount of water required to produce beef and dairy is ridiculously inefficient.

I admit, it took me a while to understand why dairy produce was so environmentally damaging. It's sustainable (or you'd like to think) so what's the problem? It consumes resources at an alarming, unsustainable rate. In a few years, we will experience real water shortages in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would go vegan for less important reasons for that, if I could do so without compromising my health. (I'm not saying vegetarian or vegan diets are unhealthy, and I'm not arguing with anyone here about the specifics of my medical history)"

If you have a balanced, controlled and checked diet there is no negative health impact with a vegan lifestyle. Even if you are not vegan, if you value your health you should have a balanced, controlled and checked diet.

Do it properly and it won't compromise your health... it will vastly improve it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As if going vegan would stop another pandemic..

Think about it rationally you would have to prevent all interaction or close proximity of any animal of every type it all has to stop to prevent such..

Covid-19 was predicted. Scientist were saying the next pandemic would come from animals. But then another one will come along from else where. No, we don't have to destroy all the animals - that shows a total lack of understanding of the issues, and would creat more problems - but we do have to stop fucking around with nature.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Total peer pressure to conform to what everyone else is doing. "

Sounds like a statement posted in ignorance. Take time away to fully understand the problems that a vegan lifestyle can solve, and the benefits it brings, and see if you can stand by your statement for reasons other than being selfish.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Do it properly and it won't compromise your health... it will vastly improve it."

I'm following specific medical advice from my doctor talking about my body.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yaaayyy another Vegan

You're looking rather well on it if you don't mind me saying so!

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By *arbellsWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

I'm a veggie but don't drink milk, yoghurts, very limited egg and trying to cut down cheese but I love cheese but it's the aim in the end to go vegan. So yes to vegan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Total peer pressure to conform to what everyone else is doing.

You described a very specific scenario and I stand by my comments. If you want a more general discussion about the benefits of veganism that's fine, but it's not what you posted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t eat meat anyway, but if you try and take milk, honey and eggs away from me I’d cut a bitch!

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

Sorry but I just couldn't give up beef or chicken

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

In that particular scenario you'd be an arse to say anything but yes, you'd turn vegan. But I'd cry myself to sleep over missing cheese.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Total peer pressure to conform to what everyone else is doing.

You described a very specific scenario and I stand by my comments. If you want a more general discussion about the benefits of veganism that's fine, but it's not what you posted.

Hey, You’re replying to this comment like I said it, this is another dudes comment, not mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You described a very specific scenario and I stand by my comments. If you want a more general discussion about the benefits of veganism that's fine, but it's not what you posted.

I didn't ask the original question!

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Maybe. I’ve been veggie before and can happily eat like that.

Vegan would be more difficult for me because I consume a reasonable amount of dairy and I really hate alternative foods.

Celebrate things for what they are, don’t pretend that chemical muck is “cheese”.

So I’d need to work hard on menus. Not impossible!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oops I apologise you are both correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To flip it on its head would a vegan eat a nice juicy steak if that could somehow "save" the world ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I could give up meat and fish easily but cheese and eggs would be a struggle!

I think the vegan diet misses out too many food groups and a lot of those groups have vitamins and fats in the body needs!

My friends a vegan and she is always low in iron!

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

You need to eat more and better in order to cover things off.

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By *elle xWoman
over a year ago

Doire Theas

I’d really struggle with loosing cheese

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would go vegan under these circumstances. We should all be reducing our meat intake.

Veganisim is one of the healthiest diets around!

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I've just cooked 4 vegan kebabs..... i'll slurp on those while I don't answer this.....

Didn't the vegans mind Granny "

They weren't fussy on a stick up the middle but .......... after that there was no complaints

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I don't think veganism would have saved us from the Black Death or Spanish Flu!"

Veganism isn't going to save us from zoonoses, although it appears that doesn't stop some vegans desperately reaching in that direction.

The only thing that will stop disease jumping from other animals to humans is for humans never to come into contact with animals.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I don't think veganism would have saved us from the Black Death or Spanish Flu!

Veganism isn't going to save us from zoonoses, although it appears that doesn't stop some vegans desperately reaching in that direction.

The only thing that will stop disease jumping from other animals to humans is for humans never to come into contact with animals. "

We need to fund more research into zoonotic infection.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I could give up meat and fish easily but cheese and eggs would be a struggle!

I think the vegan diet misses out too many food groups and a lot of those groups have vitamins and fats in the body needs!

My friends a vegan and she is always low in iron! "

Anyone can be low in iron if they don't eat iron filled foods.

There's not much iron in many meats.

She needs spinache, kale, nuts n seeds etc.

It's not being vegan that deprives people of iron . It's not eating iron rich foods

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I could give up meat and fish easily but cheese and eggs would be a struggle!

I think the vegan diet misses out too many food groups and a lot of those groups have vitamins and fats in the body needs!

My friends a vegan and she is always low in iron!

Anyone can be low in iron if they don't eat iron filled foods.

There's not much iron in many meats.

She needs spinache, kale, nuts n seeds etc.

It's not being vegan that deprives people of iron . It's not eating iron rich foods "

Gram for gram there is more iron in broccoli than steak.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My friends a vegan and she is always low in iron! "

Your friend needs to control their diet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the vegan diet misses out too many food groups and a lot of those groups have vitamins and fats in the body needs!

Again, all that we need can be found in a vegan diet. You can eat a bad vegan diet, or healthy vegan diet. The dairy argument in particular is the most incorrect argument there is.

Watch "Game Changers" "What The Health" and "Forks Over Knives"

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

"to ensure there’s not going to be another global pandemic again. So everyone else on the planet has agreed to go vegan, you’re the finally person, no one else knows the finally decision is yours, so if you said no, there’s no comeback, only you would know. Obviously vegans don’t need to answer this, go and have a vegan cigar ?!"

If everyone else in the whole world is vegan there wouldn’t be much choice unless you kept your own animals.

I’d miss cheese

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

I think the vegan diet misses out too many food groups and a lot of those groups have vitamins and fats in the body needs!

Again, all that we need can be found in a vegan diet. You can eat a bad vegan diet, or healthy vegan diet. The dairy argument in particular is the most incorrect argument there is.

Watch "Game Changers" "What The Health" and "Forks Over Knives""

I work with two nutritionists, one lecturer with a PhD and an MSc who helps deliver advanced nutrition advice to athletes.

Its lots of fun mentioning "The Game Changers" to them. There's so much unsubstantiated bollocks in that "documentary" its unreal.

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Vitamin B12

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

No, I'd sooner there wasn't a planet at all than have a planet full of vegans

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By *ewrocksWoman
over a year ago

button moon

There is no way to eat a healthy balanced vegan diet from local produce. Most of what we eat, especially the last few months has been local. Meat from local farms, where I can see the living conditions,fruit and veg from farm shops and allotments,eggs from free range garden chooks. Kinder to the planet than food flown in from around the world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Good Would you go vegan...everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely! No problem!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I still have a bacon buttie

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can I still have a bacon buttie

Only when the rest of the planet aren’t looking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can I still have a bacon buttie

Only when the rest of the planet aren’t looking "

OK I'm in

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By *urious8812Couple
over a year ago

dorchester

"There is no way to eat a healthy balanced vegan diet from local produce. Most of what we eat, especially the last few months has been local. Meat from local farms, where I can see the living conditions,fruit and veg from farm shops and allotments,eggs from free range garden chooks. Kinder to the planet than food flown in from around the world.

So by that argument, you don’t buy any pre prepared food, shop in supermarkets or ever eat out?

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By *oreno0969Man
over a year ago

Rugby

No not a chance i love eating pig too much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a vegan. Animal cruelty, environmental destruction and my own heath were the triggers for me, and I've not looked back.

A lot of the most looming problems facing mankind could be resolved or significantly reduced by mankind switching to plant based diet.

Yaaayyy another Vegan

And another one here

I started some vegan threads on these forums a little while back. It was nice but dealing with trolls did get a little draining. Maybe I should start a new one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a vegan. Animal cruelty, environmental destruction and my own heath were the triggers for me, and I've not looked back.

A lot of the most looming problems facing mankind could be resolved or significantly reduced by mankind switching to plant based diet."

Or reducing mankind! That might sort out the environmental problems as well!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would but I'd be sad about it

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By *ymguy1966Man
over a year ago

Port Talbot

"... a vegan diet being healthy is truthful.

A vegan diet is exceptionally healthy."

Lol

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Yes but first I would invest in a refrigerated warehouse and containers, because once the world had gone vegan, I would buy up all the slaughtered animals the farmers would have no use for and would sell meat on the black market...

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By *oxychicWoman
over a year ago

Nottinghamshire

Nope not a chance !

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By *chooloffilthWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

That depends can vegans still eat puuuusssaaayy?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... a vegan diet being healthy is truthful.

A vegan diet is exceptionally healthy."

It is, if it's done properly. Some people try it without researching it and end up depriving their bodies of essential amino acids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That depends can vegans still eat puuuusssaaayy?!

Absolutely

Which is lucky as it's my favourite thing to eat.

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By *r MoriartyMan
over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

Nope I couldn't do it

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

If someone could convince me that the fate of the world is in my hands and that if I ate meat there would be a pandemic then yes.

No? Hand me a steak.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Finedon ,

Eighty years a meat, poultry and fish eater and I am sure not changing now.

The sight of my 10 year old half Chinese grandson tucking into a plate of chickens feet always brings a smile to my face.

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By *utualpleasure42Man
over a year ago

carmarthen

80% of the global land is used for livestock. Yet it only produces 20% of the world calories.

The meat and dairy industry is declining and will drop massively in the next 20 years. It's not sustainable. Farmers are living on borrowed money.

Casomorphins. Only baby cows are meant to drink cow milk.

Animal welfare standards are poor in the UK.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"80% of the global land is used for livestock. Yet it only produces 20% of the world calories.

The meat and dairy industry is declining and will drop massively in the next 20 years. It's not sustainable. Farmers are living on borrowed money.

Casomorphins. Only baby cows are meant to drink cow milk.

Animal welfare standards are poor in the UK.

The UK has some of the highest welfare standards in the world and there in lies the problem.

People in the UK " We want farm animals to have high welfare standards."

Also people in the UK "I'm not paying that for a pack of sausages when I can get 3 from Poland for the same price."

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

out in the sticks

"80% of the global land is used for livestock. Yet it only produces 20% of the world calories.

The meat and dairy industry is declining and will drop massively in the next 20 years. It's not sustainable. Farmers are living on borrowed money.

Casomorphins. Only baby cows are meant to drink cow milk.

Animal welfare standards are poor in the UK.

Please get your facts RIGHT.

Typical vegan activist lies.

How can 80% of the global land mass be used for livestock?

Think about it? 80% of all land? Some of that land is not suitable for cropping, think scottish highlands, Peak district, welsh mountains, all used by livestock and managed to look the way they do and enjoyed by millions.

I could give you the correct facts but eating a vegan diet makes many people deaf.

UK animal welfare is amongst the highest in the world, thats why all the vegan propganda uses shots from farming practices elsewhere in the world, such as feed lots etc.

Now look at soya , used in vegan foods, from brazilian rainforests, almond milk bad for the bees and massive water shortages where they are grown. Non of which is sustainable.

What is sustainable? Mixed cropping and a balance diet.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Not a chance in hell I'm giving up meet !!

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"80% of the global land is used for livestock. Yet it only produces 20% of the world calories.

The meat and dairy industry is declining and will drop massively in the next 20 years. It's not sustainable. Farmers are living on borrowed money.

Casomorphins. Only baby cows are meant to drink cow milk.

Animal welfare standards are poor in the UK.

Please get your facts RIGHT.

Typical vegan activist lies.

How can 80% of the global land mass be used for livestock?

I could give you the correct facts but eating a vegan diet makes many people deaf.

UK animal welfare is amongst the highest in the world, thats why all the vegan propganda uses shots from farming practices elsewhere in the world, such as feed lots etc.

Now look at soya , used in vegan foods, from brazilian rainforests, almond milk bad for the bees and massive water shortages where they are grown. Non of which is sustainable.

What is sustainable? Mixed cropping and a balance diet.

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Now look at soya , used in vegan foods, from brazilian rainforests, almond milk bad for the bees and massive water shortages where they are grown. Non of which is sustainable.

What is sustainable? Mixed cropping and a balance diet.

How's about these for getting my facts right?

'A meat and vegetable diet, which most people move to when economically possible, requires more water than crops such as wheat and maize. On average, it takes 1,790 litres of water to grow 1kg of wheat compared with 9,680 litres of water for 1kg of beef.'

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/aug/23/water.famine

'Per ton of product, animal products generally have a larger water footprint than crop products. The same is true when we look at the water footprint per calorie. The average water footprint per calorie for beef is twenty times larger than for cereals and starchy roots. When we look at the water requirements for protein, it has been found that the water footprint per gram of protein for milk, eggs and chicken meat is about 1.5 times larger than for pulses. For beef, the water footprint per gram of protein is 6 times larger than for pulses. In the case of fat, butter has a relatively small water footprint per gram of fat, even lower than for oil crops. All other animal products, however, have larger water footprints per gram of fat when compared to oil crops. From a freshwater resource perspective, it is more efficient to obtain calories, protein and fat through crop products than animal products.'

https://waterfootprint.org/en/water-footprint/product-water-footprint/water-footprint-crop-and-animal-products/

As for the rainforests, the biggest cause of deforestation isn't soya production, it's grazing land for cattle.

'Cattle ranching is the largest driver of deforestation in every Amazon country, accounting for 80% of current deforestation rates.'

Soy is a part of this only in the sense that a lot of it is grown...wait for it...to feed the cattle, *not* for human consumption.

'Approximately 450,000 square kilometers of deforested Amazon in Brazil are now in cattle pasture. Cattle ranching and soy cultivation are often linked as soy replaces cattle pasture, pushing farmers farther into the Amazon.'

So, soy is only a problem becaue of the amount grown by farmers using it to feed the cattle they're breeding for the meat market. So either way, it's meat not soy that is the problem.

'Amazon cattle are rarely supplemented with additional protein, and grass needs to be burned every few years in order to resprout. Fires set to replenish soils and clear brush for new pasture blanket the skies of the Amazon in the dry season (see more on the climate page). Because cattle use energy to convert grass into protein, several times the amount of land is needed to produce an equal amount of beef as poultry, and about 10 times the amount of land than needed to produce grain. In Brazil, pasture land outweighs planted cropland by about 5 times.'

https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/amazon/land-use/cattle-ranching

Now, having criticised 'deaf vegans' for not being prepared to listed to facts, I assume you'll listen to these facts and admit you were mistaken? (I'll not call you a liar as you did the previous poster because I'm sure you wrote what you believed to be true, just as he did).

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over a year ago

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Now look at soya , used in vegan foods, from brazilian rainforests, almond milk bad for the bees and massive water shortages where they are grown. Non of which is sustainable.

What is sustainable? Mixed cropping and a balance diet.

How's about these for getting my facts right?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/aug/23/water.famine

https://waterfootprint.org/en/water-footprint/product-water-footprint/water-footprint-crop-and-animal-products/

As for the rainforests, the biggest cause of deforestation isn't soya production, it's grazing land for cattle.

'Cattle ranching is the largest driver of deforestation in every Amazon country, accounting for 80% of current deforestation rates.'

Soy is a part of this only in the sense that a lot of it is grown...wait for it...to feed the cattle, *not* for human consumption.

So, soy is only a problem becaue of the amount grown by farmers using it to feed the cattle they're breeding for the meat market. So either way, it's meat not soy that is the problem.

https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/amazon/land-use/cattle-ranching

The numbers you quote include rainfall , animals are based in high rainfall areas, which are poor for crop production.

Discount the rainfall of which 90% perculates through the soil and flows out to sea and low and behold its sustainable! Like i said lies and infact mistruths to suit your propoganda

Now you mention soya production, if you choose a british grass fed produce , guess what it uses little imported feed, unlike vegan diet, Lentils, mostly imported, almonds 100% imported, soya 100% imported, Quorn, "made" in an 100% industrial process.

Most of your "facts" you mention are about Brazilian beef, just make an informed choice and buy British.

Yes beef takes more land than crops per kg, but it uses land thats in a rotation and from grass. Can you digest carbon sequestating grass? No cattle convert it into easily digestable protein.

No need to go vegan to save the planet,

Just buy british meat not imported meat or a highly processed vegan product thats high in additives and preservatives.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Finedon ,

"80% of the global land is used for livestock. Yet it only produces 20% of the world calories.

The meat and dairy industry is declining and will drop massively in the next 20 years. It's not sustainable. Farmers are living on borrowed money.

Casomorphins. Only baby cows are meant to drink cow milk.

Animal welfare standards are poor in the UK.

Please get your facts RIGHT.

Typical vegan activist lies.

How can 80% of the global land mass be used for livestock?

I could give you the correct facts but eating a vegan diet makes many people deaf.

UK animal welfare is amongst the highest in the world, thats why all the vegan propganda uses shots from farming practices elsewhere in the world, such as feed lots etc.

Now look at soya , used in vegan foods, from brazilian rainforests, almond milk bad for the bees and massive water shortages where they are grown. Non of which is sustainable.

What is sustainable? Mixed cropping and a balance diet.

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over a year ago

Most of your "facts" you mention are about Brazilian beef, just make an informed choice and buy British.

Yes beef takes more land than crops per kg, but it uses land thats in a rotation and from grass. Can you digest carbon sequestating grass? No cattle convert it into easily digestable protein.

No need to go vegan to save the planet,

Just buy british meat not imported meat or a highly processed vegan product thats high in additives and preservatives.

I mentioned the rainforests because you brought them up to discredit soy production. And those studies I quoted simply state the facts about water consumption, which again was something that you brought up.

You're right - buying British meat is better for the environment than buying from abroad, but that wasn't the argument you made that I was responding to.

Also I used independent sources to back up my comments, not vegan sites which I assumed you would dismiss as simply propaganda. Please feel free to provide links to the independent studies and articles which provided the basis for your statements - I'd be happy to read them.

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

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Most of your "facts" you mention are about Brazilian beef, just make an informed choice and buy British.

Yes beef takes more land than crops per kg, but it uses land thats in a rotation and from grass. Can you digest carbon sequestating grass? No cattle convert it into easily digestable protein.

No need to go vegan to save the planet,

Just buy british meat not imported meat or a highly processed vegan product thats high in additives and preservatives.

You're right - buying British meat is better for the environment than buying from abroad, but that wasn't the argument you made that I was responding to.

Table 1.3: Water footprint of English beef production (litres/kg meat)

Blue water

0.4%

Green water

14,900

84.4%

Grey water

2,690

15.2%

Total

17,657

So only 0.4% of water for beef production comes from tap water, nearly 85% comes from the sky, and passes through the system.

Like i said twisted figures

Wheat uses 19% tap water in its production 475% more than beefs blue water percentage consumption.

Thats from Cranfield university.

The best was to make comparrisons is per Kj or protein kg.

Who is the greatest user of chemicals in agriculture? Vegetable production vegans dont mention the millions of bugs they happily see destroyed to save their food from being eaten.

You glossed over how processed alot of vegan food is as well.

As i said its about balance and comsuming UK produce

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

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So wheat takes 340l of blue tap water per kg

Beef takes 68 litres per kg

Which is most sustainable.

I havent the tkme to search Almonds or soya yet.

Vegan propeganda fails to deleve deep to find the full truth.

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

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I have no issue with anyones diet choice.

What I have issues with is mis information and lies!

Enjoy your food but don't be telling other what they should eat!

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"So wheat takes 340l of blue tap water per kg

Beef takes 68 litres per kg

Which is most sustainable.

I havent the tkme to search Almonds or soya yet.

Vegan propeganda fails to deleve deep to find the full truth.

It's just a shame that the biggest consumer of grains is cattle isn't it?

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By *andy2123Couple
over a year ago

Portsmouth

This is just a bloody fashion don't fall for all the bullshit.

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over a year ago

"So wheat takes 340l of blue tap water per kg

Beef takes 68 litres per kg

Which is most sustainable.

I havent the tkme to search Almonds or soya yet.

Vegan propeganda fails to deleve deep to find the full truth.

Again, you're ignoring that a lot of the food grown is not for human consumption but to be fed to the animals in the first place - it's a double whammy. First the land is devestated by grazing, and then more land is used to produce more food than humans need to feed those animals which have been bred for slaughter - this wastes land *and* water. Remove meat from the table and you don't need grazing land, you can slash the amount of food needing to be grown and the amount of water needed to grow it.

That's not 'vegan propaganda' - that's delving into the stats you put forward and getting to their truth. You should be pleased

(Incidentally, I have never in my life told anyone they should go vegan or tried to dictate their dietary choices. My comments in this threat have been rebuttals of what I consider inaccurate statements made about veganism, but I hope you will recognise that, whether you agree with me or not, I have not tried to push anyone or criticise them for their diet while making these arguments).

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over a year ago

"This is just a bloody fashion don't fall for all the bullshit. "

I've been vegan for 9 years. I have friends who have been vegan for longer and just yesterday I was chatting to a couple on here who have been vegan for 25 years. It's not 'a bloody fashion' for a lot of people who are in it for life, and calling it so is, if you'll pardon my borrowing your phrase, 'bullshit'.

I hope you have a nice day!

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

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"So wheat takes 340l of blue tap water per kg

Beef takes 68 litres per kg

Which is most sustainable.

I havent the tkme to search Almonds or soya yet.

Vegan propeganda fails to deleve deep to find the full truth.

It's just a shame that the biggest consumer of grains is cattle isn't it? "

So once again vegan propagana.

Lets us US data,large feedlots and intensive agriculture.

In million metric tonnes

Feedgrain use 42.36

Grain use for human food 21.47

Wow look you were right, but now bring in Grain use for ethanol 36.34

Feed use,pigs,cattle,chicken etc 43

Human use 58

Now the UK

7.7 million tonnes of UK produced grain used for human consumption.

7 million tonnes( which a proportion isnt good enough for human consumption) used for animal feed. Not just cattle but animal feed, pigs and poultry being the highest consumers.

So where did you get that " cattle are biggest consumers " from?

Easy to get sucked in to the "vegan propogana"

Look for the truth and it is out there!

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

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"So wheat takes 340l of blue tap water per kg

Beef takes 68 litres per kg

Which is most sustainable.

I havent the tkme to search Almonds or soya yet.

Vegan propeganda fails to deleve deep to find the full truth.

That's not 'vegan propaganda' - that's delving into the stats you put forward and getting to their truth. You should be pleased

I dont see National parks in the UK being devestated by grazing? In fact people flock in their millions to see these managed grazed areas.

Not every crop can be grown for human consumption, there is massise piles of food not fit for human consumption fed to animals. Veg, bread waste,biscuts etc that would all goto landfill if it werent for animals.

Answer the question on chemical inputs on your foods. To make a wheat crop suitable for human consumption can take loads and loads of chemical treatments. Grain for animal feed doesnt, they can cope with poorer quality grain.

How many bugs have to die to produce your vegan diet?

With a cow its one life, one big life not millions of butterflies, bees,insects in the bland arable plains sprayed to keep the vegan food safe.

You keep coming up with new arguements because i am blowing the previous ones out of the water.

Vegan propoganda ,keep trying.

You arent pushing anyone to become vegan but you are pushing the propoganda.

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By *picyrodMan
over a year ago

Leicestershire

I'm almost vegan with fish n chicken

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

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"I'm almost vegan with fish n chicken

100% of my diet is vegan, the beef and lamb only eat vegtables

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By *picyrodMan
over a year ago

Leicestershire

I do a lot of kale spinich asparagus broc brussles all raw

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

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"I do a lot of kale spinich asparagus broc brussles all raw "

All good in a balanced diet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah lots of incredible Vegan options so I wouldn’t have an issue. I do like meat but life would go on

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