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"That's really odd. I wonder why that's happened, must me more than a coincidence" Yep  | |||
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"What do you Notice different ? " Really are they taking the actual piss | |||
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"What do you Notice different ? Really are they taking the actual piss" 1951-1955. What about from 1940-1945 ?! | |||
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"What do you Notice different ? Really are they taking the actual piss 1951-1955. What about from 1940-1945 ?!" So we had no prime minister during the war then  | |||
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"What do you Notice different ? Really are they taking the actual piss 1951-1955. What about from 1940-1945 ?! So we had no prime minister during the war then "It’s like there was no winner of the Tour De France for 7 years, we all know who it was | |||
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"Google saying they are doing an update" What’s to update ?! | |||
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"We’re aware an image for Sir Winston Churchill is missing from his Knowledge Graph entry on Google. We apologise for any concern. This was not purposeful & will be resolved. Images in such panels are automatically created & updated. During an update, they can briefly disappear…. If a Knowledge Graph image is missing due to an update, the subject will be named but lack an image in anything automatically generated from the Knowledge Graph. This is why Churchill’s image (but not his name) is missing from some lists. It is temporary & will be resolved…. The image issue only applies to Knowledge Graph-generated information. Many images of Churchill are easily found through both web and image searching on Google…. Some have noted that Churchill’s first term does not appear for a search on UK prime ministers that shows an automatically generated Knowledge Graph list. This is not specific to Churchill; a similar thing happens with Wilson, MacDonald and Baldwin…. We’re exploring why the first terms for Churchill, Wilson, MacDonald & Baldwin are not shown. It might be that our systems are only displaying the last term of prime ministers who had non-consecutive terms. We’ll seek to address this to avoid any unintentional concern…. We don’t have an exact time for when Churchill’s Knowledge Graph image will be restored, but it will be as rapidly done as possible. We’ll want to explore exactly why an automatic update caused it to disappear & see if there are any improvements in those systems to address…. When the Knowledge Graph image is restored for Churchill, his image will again be shown in Knowledge Graph-generated content, where only his name shows now. Again, apologies for concern caused. You can learn more about how our Knowledge Graph works here: https://www.blog.google/products/search/about-knowledge-graph-and-knowledge-panels/" But Wilson, MacDonald and Baldwin images remain, funny that  | |||
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"Google saying they are doing an update What’s to update ?!" See below | |||
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" But Wilson, MacDonald and Baldwin images remain, funny that "Because as google explained but obviously you didn’t read and comprehend... it is 2 separate issues!! Jeez.. take the tin foil hat off! | |||
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" But Wilson, MacDonald and Baldwin images remain, funny that
Because as google explained but obviously you didn’t read and comprehend... it is 2 separate issues!!
Jeez.. take the tin foil hat off! "And the reason 1940-1945 is not there and 1951-1955 is because of ? | |||
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" But Wilson, MacDonald and Baldwin images remain, funny that
Because as google explained but obviously you didn’t read and comprehend... it is 2 separate issues!!
Jeez.. take the tin foil hat off! "You are correct, I switched off at knowledge graph image blah blah blah I have now had my first brew of the day and it makes perfect sense  | |||
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"When people seriously believe Google are trying to wipe churchill from history its time to get off." I don’t believe that, I’m questioning why he’s not there and dates aren’t there either | |||
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" But Wilson, MacDonald and Baldwin images remain, funny that
Because as google explained but obviously you didn’t read and comprehend... it is 2 separate issues!!
Jeez.. take the tin foil hat off!
And the reason 1940-1945 is not there and 1951-1955 is because of ?"Because it's an error only reporting their latest term in office....... | |||
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"When people seriously believe Google are trying to wipe churchill from history its time to get off. I don’t believe that, I’m questioning why he’s not there and dates aren’t there either " Havent it been explained above? | |||
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"We’re aware an image for Sir Winston Churchill is missing from his Knowledge Graph entry on Google. We apologise for any concern. This was not purposeful & will be resolved. Images in such panels are automatically created & updated. During an update, they can briefly disappear…. If a Knowledge Graph image is missing due to an update, the subject will be named but lack an image in anything automatically generated from the Knowledge Graph. This is why Churchill’s image (but not his name) is missing from some lists. It is temporary & will be resolved…. The image issue only applies to Knowledge Graph-generated information. Many images of Churchill are easily found through both web and image searching on Google…. Some have noted that Churchill’s first term does not appear for a search on UK prime ministers that shows an automatically generated Knowledge Graph list. This is not specific to Churchill; a similar thing happens with Wilson, MacDonald and Baldwin…. We’re exploring why the first terms for Churchill, Wilson, MacDonald & Baldwin are not shown. It might be that our systems are only displaying the last term of prime ministers who had non-consecutive terms. We’ll seek to address this to avoid any unintentional concern…. We don’t have an exact time for when Churchill’s Knowledge Graph image will be restored, but it will be as rapidly done as possible. We’ll want to explore exactly why an automatic update caused it to disappear & see if there are any improvements in those systems to address…. When the Knowledge Graph image is restored for Churchill, his image will again be shown in Knowledge Graph-generated content, where only his name shows now. Again, apologies for concern caused. You can learn more about how our Knowledge Graph works here: https://www.blog.google/products/search/about-knowledge-graph-and-knowledge-panels/" Have you wrote all that before the link? Then I applaud you on your three weetabix this morning. Lol I can't get my thoughts together yet and it's 10.30 | |||
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"It too early to put my tin foil hat on. I'll come back later" It’s hardly a fiat earth convention | |||
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" Have you wrote all that before the link? Then I applaud you on your three weetabix this morning. I can't get my thoughts together yet and it's 10.30 "  sorry, not me. I missed the quote marks .
It’s Google’s statement | |||
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"Google saying they are doing an update What’s to update ?!" So having read the announcement ,re the missing image, correctly (now I'm more awake) it still begs the question. What's to update? It's not like he's changed his hairstyle in the last week.... | |||
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"When people seriously believe Google are trying to wipe churchill from history its time to get off. I don’t believe that, I’m questioning why he’s not there and dates aren’t there either " Maybe Google has been hacked??? | |||
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"It too early to put my tin foil hat on. I'll come back later It’s hardly a fiat earth convention " I stand by what I said | |||
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"It too early to put my tin foil hat on. I'll come back later It’s hardly a fiat earth convention I stand by what I said " Well, you came back a lot sooner than later. | |||
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"It too early to put my tin foil hat on. I'll come back later It’s hardly a fiat earth convention I stand by what I said Well, you came back a lot sooner than later." My bad. Didnt realise there was a specific time limit on 'later' | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again " | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again "There is a serious point in this if you think about it ... | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ..."I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history. History goes on. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on."Are you being deliberately obtuse? | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?"Nope. An image is missing from Google. Other sources exist. News at 11. | |||
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 seems the glitch is causing a few meltdowns????? | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on."I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup! | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup! "I think that anyone seeing erasure or censorship here should consult a dictionary on the meaning of those words. These things are being discussed in the open, which is the opposite of erasure or censorship. If anyone believes that history is a fixed unchangeable narrative, then I suggest they learn more about how history is done. History is constantly being rewritten. There's been some vandalism, and a public discussion of history and how we do it. Multiple narratives can exist and have different prominence. I'm sorry that people see this as erasure, but again, I suggest that the dictionary might assist them. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup! "Anyway i have the movie Churchill is enough for me | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup!
I think that anyone seeing erasure or censorship here should consult a dictionary on the meaning of those words.
These things are being discussed in the open, which is the opposite of erasure or censorship.
If anyone believes that history is a fixed unchangeable narrative, then I suggest they learn more about how history is done.
History is constantly being rewritten. There's been some vandalism, and a public discussion of history and how we do it. Multiple narratives can exist and have different prominence.
I'm sorry that people see this as erasure, but again, I suggest that the dictionary might assist them."You always bring a insightful and thought-out response on here regardless of the negativity it's responding to and I greatly appreciate this and hope we can all have discussions without trying to attack eachother. As you said the history of these people are being known now far more than a week ago. It's important that we try to see both sides of history especially when it has had lasting effects on the current state of the world. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup!
I think that anyone seeing erasure or censorship here should consult a dictionary on the meaning of those words.
These things are being discussed in the open, which is the opposite of erasure or censorship.
If anyone believes that history is a fixed unchangeable narrative, then I suggest they learn more about how history is done.
History is constantly being rewritten. There's been some vandalism, and a public discussion of history and how we do it. Multiple narratives can exist and have different prominence.
I'm sorry that people see this as erasure, but again, I suggest that the dictionary might assist them.
You always bring a insightful and thought-out response on here regardless of the negativity it's responding to and I greatly appreciate this and hope we can all have discussions without trying to attack eachother.
As you said the history of these people are being known now far more than a week ago. It's important that we try to see both sides of history especially when it has had lasting effects on the current state of the world."Thank you. History is one of my passions, and the fact it's being reduced to "happy stories we tell ourselves about how wonderful we are" is incredibly depressing. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup!
I think that anyone seeing erasure or censorship here should consult a dictionary on the meaning of those words.
These things are being discussed in the open, which is the opposite of erasure or censorship.
If anyone believes that history is a fixed unchangeable narrative, then I suggest they learn more about how history is done.
History is constantly being rewritten. There's been some vandalism, and a public discussion of history and how we do it. Multiple narratives can exist and have different prominence.
I'm sorry that people see this as erasure, but again, I suggest that the dictionary might assist them.
You always bring a insightful and thought-out response on here regardless of the negativity it's responding to and I greatly appreciate this and hope we can all have discussions without trying to attack eachother.
As you said the history of these people are being known now far more than a week ago. It's important that we try to see both sides of history especially when it has had lasting effects on the current state of the world.
Thank you. History is one of my passions, and the fact it's being reduced to "happy stories we tell ourselves about how wonderful we are" is incredibly depressing."Exactly human history is dark And should be taught as such | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup!
I think that anyone seeing erasure or censorship here should consult a dictionary on the meaning of those words.
These things are being discussed in the open, which is the opposite of erasure or censorship.
If anyone believes that history is a fixed unchangeable narrative, then I suggest they learn more about how history is done.
History is constantly being rewritten. There's been some vandalism, and a public discussion of history and how we do it. Multiple narratives can exist and have different prominence.
I'm sorry that people see this as erasure, but again, I suggest that the dictionary might assist them.
You always bring a insightful and thought-out response on here regardless of the negativity it's responding to and I greatly appreciate this and hope we can all have discussions without trying to attack eachother.
As you said the history of these people are being known now far more than a week ago. It's important that we try to see both sides of history especially when it has had lasting effects on the current state of the world.
Thank you. History is one of my passions, and the fact it's being reduced to "happy stories we tell ourselves about how wonderful we are" is incredibly depressing.
Exactly human history is dark
And should be taught as such "It's messy and complicated and interesting. I don't want a sunny delightful set of convenient lies. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup!
I think that anyone seeing erasure or censorship here should consult a dictionary on the meaning of those words.
These things are being discussed in the open, which is the opposite of erasure or censorship.
If anyone believes that history is a fixed unchangeable narrative, then I suggest they learn more about how history is done.
History is constantly being rewritten. There's been some vandalism, and a public discussion of history and how we do it. Multiple narratives can exist and have different prominence.
I'm sorry that people see this as erasure, but again, I suggest that the dictionary might assist them.
You always bring a insightful and thought-out response on here regardless of the negativity it's responding to and I greatly appreciate this and hope we can all have discussions without trying to attack eachother.
As you said the history of these people are being known now far more than a week ago. It's important that we try to see both sides of history especially when it has had lasting effects on the current state of the world.
Thank you. History is one of my passions, and the fact it's being reduced to "happy stories we tell ourselves about how wonderful we are" is incredibly depressing."Your welcome
It's good to see facts without bias. It's what I strive to learn from, without a rounded view we are ignorant. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup!
I think that anyone seeing erasure or censorship here should consult a dictionary on the meaning of those words.
These things are being discussed in the open, which is the opposite of erasure or censorship.
If anyone believes that history is a fixed unchangeable narrative, then I suggest they learn more about how history is done.
History is constantly being rewritten. There's been some vandalism, and a public discussion of history and how we do it. Multiple narratives can exist and have different prominence.
I'm sorry that people see this as erasure, but again, I suggest that the dictionary might assist them.
You always bring a insightful and thought-out response on here regardless of the negativity it's responding to and I greatly appreciate this and hope we can all have discussions without trying to attack eachother.
As you said the history of these people are being known now far more than a week ago. It's important that we try to see both sides of history especially when it has had lasting effects on the current state of the world.
Thank you. History is one of my passions, and the fact it's being reduced to "happy stories we tell ourselves about how wonderful we are" is incredibly depressing.
Your welcome
It's good to see facts without bias. It's what I strive to learn from, without a rounded view we are ignorant. "Bias is inevitable. It's about how we handle it. History is forever an act of interpretation. Bias creeps in. Bias gets bigger if you refuse to even imagine that other interpretations have merit. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup!
I think that anyone seeing erasure or censorship here should consult a dictionary on the meaning of those words.
These things are being discussed in the open, which is the opposite of erasure or censorship.
If anyone believes that history is a fixed unchangeable narrative, then I suggest they learn more about how history is done.
History is constantly being rewritten. There's been some vandalism, and a public discussion of history and how we do it. Multiple narratives can exist and have different prominence.
I'm sorry that people see this as erasure, but again, I suggest that the dictionary might assist them.
You always bring a insightful and thought-out response on here regardless of the negativity it's responding to and I greatly appreciate this and hope we can all have discussions without trying to attack eachother.
As you said the history of these people are being known now far more than a week ago. It's important that we try to see both sides of history especially when it has had lasting effects on the current state of the world.
Thank you. History is one of my passions, and the fact it's being reduced to "happy stories we tell ourselves about how wonderful we are" is incredibly depressing.
Your welcome
It's good to see facts without bias. It's what I strive to learn from, without a rounded view we are ignorant.
Bias is inevitable. It's about how we handle it.
History is forever an act of interpretation. Bias creeps in.
Bias gets bigger if you refuse to even imagine that other interpretations have merit."In hundred years time our history from days today will keep been dark | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on."I think you are missing the bigger picture   | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think you are missing the bigger picture "What, that people are being faced with stuff they don't like and are unhappy about it? I don't see the issue. I hope they feel better soon. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup!
I think that anyone seeing erasure or censorship here should consult a dictionary on the meaning of those words.
These things are being discussed in the open, which is the opposite of erasure or censorship.
If anyone believes that history is a fixed unchangeable narrative, then I suggest they learn more about how history is done.
History is constantly being rewritten. There's been some vandalism, and a public discussion of history and how we do it. Multiple narratives can exist and have different prominence.
I'm sorry that people see this as erasure, but again, I suggest that the dictionary might assist them.
You always bring a insightful and thought-out response on here regardless of the negativity it's responding to and I greatly appreciate this and hope we can all have discussions without trying to attack eachother.
As you said the history of these people are being known now far more than a week ago. It's important that we try to see both sides of history especially when it has had lasting effects on the current state of the world.
Thank you. History is one of my passions, and the fact it's being reduced to "happy stories we tell ourselves about how wonderful we are" is incredibly depressing.
Your welcome
It's good to see facts without bias. It's what I strive to learn from, without a rounded view we are ignorant.
Bias is inevitable. It's about how we handle it.
History is forever an act of interpretation. Bias creeps in.
Bias gets bigger if you refuse to even imagine that other interpretations have merit."Exactly this but I'll head back onto the subject so we don't take over the post. Reviewing all the statues will be beneficial and hopefully in most cases they will decide that a plaque with information will be enough to show both sides of a individuals history. I hope they don't just randomly start removing statue to appease a loud minority. Let's ask our councils to inquire, compile and then share their outlook on individual statues and then .we can decide on the outcomes | |||
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" Exactly this but I'll head back onto the subject so we don't take over the post. Reviewing all the statues will be beneficial and hopefully in most cases they will decide that a plaque with information will be enough to show both sides of a individuals history. I hope they don't just randomly start removing statue to appease a loud minority. Let's ask our councils to inquire, compile and then share their outlook on individual statues and then .we can decide on the outcomes" For sure. Re-evaluating is a constant process. It's been politicised here. I'm all for representation of how to portray and display these things. Including "the might and glory of the British empire". But not to the exclusion of other narratives with similar evidence bases and worth. It's a bit like when archaeologists went to Troy. They dug through centuries of evidence, destroying it, looking for Helen. Left us all poorer as a consequence. The Acropolis in Athens, post classical evidence was discarded as unworthy. Let's not do that, particularly when the impact of the material culture we're examining still festers on in real life. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11."You’ve clearly missed the point | |||
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" Exactly this but I'll head back onto the subject so we don't take over the post. Reviewing all the statues will be beneficial and hopefully in most cases they will decide that a plaque with information will be enough to show both sides of a individuals history. I hope they don't just randomly start removing statue to appease a loud minority. Let's ask our councils to inquire, compile and then share their outlook on individual statues and then .we can decide on the outcomes For sure. Re-evaluating is a constant process. It's been politicised here. I'm all for representation of how to portray and display these things. Including "the might and glory of the British empire". But not to the exclusion of other narratives with similar evidence bases and worth. It's a bit like when archaeologists went to Troy. They dug through centuries of evidence, destroying it, looking for Helen. Left us all poorer as a consequence. The Acropolis in Athens, post classical evidence was discarded as unworthy. Let's not do that, particularly when the impact of the material culture we're examining still festers on in real life." What happens when you can’t re-evaluate for yourself as someone else has decided what you can or cannot evaluate. | |||
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" Exactly this but I'll head back onto the subject so we don't take over the post. Reviewing all the statues will be beneficial and hopefully in most cases they will decide that a plaque with information will be enough to show both sides of a individuals history. I hope they don't just randomly start removing statue to appease a loud minority. Let's ask our councils to inquire, compile and then share their outlook on individual statues and then .we can decide on the outcomes For sure. Re-evaluating is a constant process. It's been politicised here. I'm all for representation of how to portray and display these things. Including "the might and glory of the British empire". But not to the exclusion of other narratives with similar evidence bases and worth. It's a bit like when archaeologists went to Troy. They dug through centuries of evidence, destroying it, looking for Helen. Left us all poorer as a consequence. The Acropolis in Athens, post classical evidence was discarded as unworthy. Let's not do that, particularly when the impact of the material culture we're examining still festers on in real life. What happens when you can’t re-evaluate for yourself as someone else has decided what you can or cannot evaluate. " Who's decided that? You're interpreting it right now. The books and sources still exist. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
You’ve clearly missed the point "Educate me, then. What's the point? Forests and floods of ink have been spilled over Churchill. The Google search, and yes I saw, contained countless links to information. Portraits, statues, popular culture. It's all still there. We're talking about it. The police aren't kicking down my door. 99.999999999% of evidence of Churchill still exists. We're still free to talk about it. News at 11. | |||
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" Exactly this but I'll head back onto the subject so we don't take over the post. Reviewing all the statues will be beneficial and hopefully in most cases they will decide that a plaque with information will be enough to show both sides of a individuals history. I hope they don't just randomly start removing statue to appease a loud minority. Let's ask our councils to inquire, compile and then share their outlook on individual statues and then .we can decide on the outcomes For sure. Re-evaluating is a constant process. It's been politicised here. I'm all for representation of how to portray and display these things. Including "the might and glory of the British empire". But not to the exclusion of other narratives with similar evidence bases and worth. It's a bit like when archaeologists went to Troy. They dug through centuries of evidence, destroying it, looking for Helen. Left us all poorer as a consequence. The Acropolis in Athens, post classical evidence was discarded as unworthy. Let's not do that, particularly when the impact of the material culture we're examining still festers on in real life. What happens when you can’t re-evaluate for yourself as someone else has decided what you can or cannot evaluate. Who's decided that? You're interpreting it right now. The books and sources still exist." I don’t think you can see the wood for the trees. | |||
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" Exactly this but I'll head back onto the subject so we don't take over the post. Reviewing all the statues will be beneficial and hopefully in most cases they will decide that a plaque with information will be enough to show both sides of a individuals history. I hope they don't just randomly start removing statue to appease a loud minority. Let's ask our councils to inquire, compile and then share their outlook on individual statues and then .we can decide on the outcomes For sure. Re-evaluating is a constant process. It's been politicised here. I'm all for representation of how to portray and display these things. Including "the might and glory of the British empire". But not to the exclusion of other narratives with similar evidence bases and worth. It's a bit like when archaeologists went to Troy. They dug through centuries of evidence, destroying it, looking for Helen. Left us all poorer as a consequence. The Acropolis in Athens, post classical evidence was discarded as unworthy. Let's not do that, particularly when the impact of the material culture we're examining still festers on in real life. What happens when you can’t re-evaluate for yourself as someone else has decided what you can or cannot evaluate. Who's decided that? You're interpreting it right now. The books and sources still exist. I don’t think you can see the wood for the trees. " What am I missing? | |||
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"He’s back where he rightfully belongs as one of our greatest leaders "Personally I'd prefer to hear more about Turing Oh yeah the hero they killed Churchill indeed a fine orator Beyond that he is credited with far more than he deserves Thousands of smaller cogs were the true saviours | |||
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"He’s back where he rightfully belongs as one of our greatest leaders
Personally I'd prefer to hear more about Turing
Oh yeah the hero they killed
Churchill indeed a fine orator
Beyond that he is credited with far more than he deserves
Thousands of smaller cogs were the true saviours
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"He’s back where he rightfully belongs as one of our greatest leaders
Personally I'd prefer to hear more about Turing
Oh yeah the hero they killed
Churchill indeed a fine orator
Beyond that he is credited with far more than he deserves
Thousands of smaller cogs were the true saviours
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
I think the fact that certain factions of society are calling for parts of British history to be errased makes it more than a storm in a teacup! "Who is doing that? | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
You’ve clearly missed the point
Educate me, then. What's the point?
Forests and floods of ink have been spilled over Churchill. The Google search, and yes I saw, contained countless links to information. Portraits, statues, popular culture. It's all still there.
We're talking about it. The police aren't kicking down my door.
99.999999999% of evidence of Churchill still exists. We're still free to talk about it.
News at 11."You’re undermining your own argument by constantly saying news at 11, that phrase is ironically passé. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
You’ve clearly missed the point
Educate me, then. What's the point?
Forests and floods of ink have been spilled over Churchill. The Google search, and yes I saw, contained countless links to information. Portraits, statues, popular culture. It's all still there.
We're talking about it. The police aren't kicking down my door.
99.999999999% of evidence of Churchill still exists. We're still free to talk about it.
News at 11.
You’re undermining your own argument by constantly saying news at 11, that phrase is ironically passé."By constantly, you mean twice? | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11."It's not just a picture missing it's also an entire term in office. The main, most important term probably of any prime minister. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
It's not just a picture missing it's also an entire term in office. The main, most important term probably of any prime minister."Has it not been replaced? | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
It's not just a picture missing it's also an entire term in office. The main, most important term probably of any prime minister."update he’s back | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
It's not just a picture missing it's also an entire term in office. The main, most important term probably of any prime minister."When I Googled there was a placeholder where the image should be and his name. Plus umpteen links on prime ministers, a link to a page to Churchill being in the first page. ... If he'd been "erased" something else would have been there or there would have been a gap. A gap, you ask questions. Also, sources other than Google exist. He's not gone anywhere. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
It's not just a picture missing it's also an entire term in office. The main, most important term probably of any prime minister.
Has it not been replaced?"No. There is an 8 year gap between 1937 and 1945 | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
It's not just a picture missing it's also an entire term in office. The main, most important term probably of any prime minister.
Has it not been replaced?
No. There is an 8 year gap between 1937 and 1945"I do like the top hat he's wearing in the line up on my search on both .com and .co.uk. Very fetching. | |||
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"What a strange age we live in where a technical glitch sees people assuming soneone has been erased from history." It fits into preconceived notions about how history should be done, I suppose. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
You’ve clearly missed the point
Educate me, then. What's the point?
Forests and floods of ink have been spilled over Churchill. The Google search, and yes I saw, contained countless links to information. Portraits, statues, popular culture. It's all still there.
We're talking about it. The police aren't kicking down my door.
99.999999999% of evidence of Churchill still exists. We're still free to talk about it.
News at 11.
You’re undermining your own argument by constantly saying news at 11, that phrase is ironically passé.
By constantly, you mean twice?"Yes, constantly, let me guess you just heard the phrase for the first time the other day, which would be very ironic ?! | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
It's not just a picture missing it's also an entire term in office. The main, most important term probably of any prime minister.
Has it not been replaced?
No. There is an 8 year gap between 1937 and 1945"When this thread was posted all that was missing was his image along the top of the searches. All other information was available. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
It's not just a picture missing it's also an entire term in office. The main, most important term probably of any prime minister.
Has it not been replaced?
No. There is an 8 year gap between 1937 and 1945
When this thread was posted all that was missing was his image along the top of the searches. All other information was available."It looks like a glitch to me. All other information is available. This is a tempest in a teapot in a doll's house. | |||
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"Goodness. A picture is missing from one search. Stop the press, call the army. No one will ever know who he is ever again
There is a serious point in this if you think about it ...
I have no idea why the picture is missing, but it's a tempest in a teapot. Find another picture, show your family, learn about history.
History goes on.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Nope.
An image is missing from Google.
Other sources exist.
News at 11.
It's not just a picture missing it's also an entire term in office. The main, most important term probably of any prime minister.
Has it not been replaced?
No. There is an 8 year gap between 1937 and 1945
When this thread was posted all that was missing was his image along the top of the searches. All other information was available.
It looks like a glitch to me.
All other information is available. This is a tempest in a teapot in a doll's house."Indeed they were probably updating the image but you know Google must have been censoring him
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten. "No one is erasing it! | |||
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"the amount of people who couldn't read a statement (which had been posted in this thread more than once) and yet still go on about it like it was some sort on conspiracy is amazing... google explained exactly what the two issues were.... google went and fixed them..... the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!! "People have had a view of history they like as the overwhelming one, for their entire lives. It largely continues. People discuss changing it as a result of some agitation and the removal (not destruction) of a statue that there's been pressure to remove for a long time. Google has a glitch. People lose their minds. Those saying this is how history is done and that all historical perspectives should be considered are the sensitive ones. Is that about it? | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!"I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is. | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is. "That's very true. We listen, we learn, we grow. | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
That's very true. We listen, we learn, we grow."I try at least | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
That's very true. We listen, we learn, we grow.
I try at least "Me too | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
That's very true. We listen, we learn, we grow.
I try at least
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is. "I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history. People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country. | |||
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"the amount of people who couldn't read a statement (which had been posted in this thread more than once) and yet still go on about it like it was some sort on conspiracy is amazing... google explained exactly what the two issues were.... google went and fixed them..... the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!! "Coincidence they had a glitch with Churchill on the same weekend as his statue in Parliament square has to be boarded up ??
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
"History is discussion and forming a view from the evidence. One picture on Google doesn't even rise to evidence (I do include secondary sources). We need all of those things. And some humility I think. The version of history we believe isn't the only one with something to teach us. | |||
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"the amount of people who couldn't read a statement (which had been posted in this thread more than once) and yet still go on about it like it was some sort on conspiracy is amazing... google explained exactly what the two issues were.... google went and fixed them..... the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Coincidence they had a glitch with Churchill on the same weekend as his statue in Parliament square has to be boarded up ??
"Nope. Lots of searches happen so they have capacity issues or want to make sure everything is fine or some other computer issue. Computer capacity. Orwellian. | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
"There’s no subtext whatsoever, whatever slant on it that’s your own perception, I merely pointed out it wasn’t there when I wanted to find out about some dates. What has empathy got to do with pointing out that one of our prime minister wasn’t there ? | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
"Maybe it was a glitch, but maybe not. And i agree totally about the intelligence empathy and wisdom being lacking. And im guilty of lacking it at times myself but im aware of it and try my best. It's all anyone can do | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
History is discussion and forming a view from the evidence. One picture on Google doesn't even rise to evidence (I do include secondary sources).
We need all of those things. And some humility I think. The version of history we believe isn't the only one with something to teach us." | |||
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"the amount of people who couldn't read a statement (which had been posted in this thread more than once) and yet still go on about it like it was some sort on conspiracy is amazing... google explained exactly what the two issues were.... google went and fixed them..... the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Coincidence they had a glitch with Churchill on the same weekend as his statue in Parliament square has to be boarded up ??
Nope. Lots of searches happen so they have capacity issues or want to make sure everything is fine or some other computer issue.
Computer capacity. Orwellian."Hmmmmm | |||
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"the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!! "Maybe, just maybe, some people are pragmatic instead of viewing the world through the rose-tinted spectacles of ideology. Some of the actions of Churchill while he was Prime Minister are the things that have allowed us to live in this democratic country with free speech so that we are able to discuss matters such as this. | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
History is discussion and forming a view from the evidence. One picture on Google doesn't even rise to evidence (I do include secondary sources).
We need all of those things. And some humility I think. The version of history we believe isn't the only one with something to teach us."Agree completely | |||
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"the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, some people are pragmatic instead of viewing the world through the rose-tinted spectacles of ideology.
Some of the actions of Churchill while he was Prime Minister are the things that have allowed us to live in this democratic country with free speech so that we are able to discuss matters such as this. "And I don't dismiss any of them. I'm happy to discuss them. I celebrate the role he played in leading our forces. I just do so more holistically, not with a two dimensional rose tinted ideological slant. | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
There’s no subtext whatsoever, whatever slant on it that’s your own perception, I merely pointed out it wasn’t there when I wanted to find out about some dates. What has empathy got to do with pointing out that one of our prime minister wasn’t there ?"Well..there is..people have put 2 and 2 together and got 6 Picture has been taken down therefore he has been erased from history. The empathy comment was in regards to the wider context about learning our history warts and all. | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
Maybe it was a glitch, but maybe not. And i agree totally about the intelligence empathy and wisdom being lacking. And im guilty of lacking it at times myself but im aware of it and try my best. It's all anyone can do "Indeed. | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
There’s no subtext whatsoever, whatever slant on it that’s your own perception, I merely pointed out it wasn’t there when I wanted to find out about some dates. What has empathy got to do with pointing out that one of our prime minister wasn’t there ?
Well..there is..people have put 2 and 2 together and got 6
Picture has been taken down therefore he has been erased from history.
The empathy comment was in regards to the wider context about learning our history warts and all."The erasure thing is hilarious. Yes Churchill has been erased. No one ever talks about Churchill. The discussion of history, so prominent on Fab, has really declined since we censored any discussion of Churchill | |||
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"the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, some people are pragmatic instead of viewing the world through the rose-tinted spectacles of ideology.
Some of the actions of Churchill while he was Prime Minister are the things that have allowed us to live in this democratic country with free speech so that we are able to discuss matters such as this. " | |||
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"the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, some people are pragmatic instead of viewing the world through the rose-tinted spectacles of ideology.
Some of the actions of Churchill while he was Prime Minister are the things that have allowed us to live in this democratic country with free speech so that we are able to discuss matters such as this. "See I dont agree with this idea of churchill being this great defender of free speech. As an example in the 1920s he sent warships up the mersey with orders to fire on striking workers. He was a great wartime leader.I wouldnt say he was a great human being | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
There’s no subtext whatsoever, whatever slant on it that’s your own perception, I merely pointed out it wasn’t there when I wanted to find out about some dates. What has empathy got to do with pointing out that one of our prime minister wasn’t there ?
Well..there is..people have put 2 and 2 together and got 6
Picture has been taken down therefore he has been erased from history.
The empathy comment was in regards to the wider context about learning our history warts and all.
The erasure thing is hilarious.
Yes Churchill has been erased. No one ever talks about Churchill. The discussion of history, so prominent on Fab, has really declined since we censored any discussion of Churchill "If you think that’s hilarious you need to get out more. | |||
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"History is history wether it's good or bad. Erasing it is wrong, it's withholding knowledge. It's like burning books and it's not on. History should be learned from not forgotten.
No one is erasing it!
I never said they were, although I'm sad to say i wouldn't rule it out. I was only giving my thoughts, and im sure most people know that history can't always be taken as actual fact, it's more often than not clouded by some agenda or other. That's the way it is.
I think that's the sub context to the whole thread though isnt it?Google have removed a picture ergo they are trying to erase history.
People say education is the key but I think intelligence,empathy and wisdom are often lacking in this country.
There’s no subtext whatsoever, whatever slant on it that’s your own perception, I merely pointed out it wasn’t there when I wanted to find out about some dates. What has empathy got to do with pointing out that one of our prime minister wasn’t there ?
Well..there is..people have put 2 and 2 together and got 6
Picture has been taken down therefore he has been erased from history.
The empathy comment was in regards to the wider context about learning our history warts and all.
The erasure thing is hilarious.
Yes Churchill has been erased. No one ever talks about Churchill. The discussion of history, so prominent on Fab, has really declined since we censored any discussion of Churchill
If you think that’s hilarious you need to get out more."Noted. | |||
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"the amount of people who couldn't read a statement (which had been posted in this thread more than once) and yet still go on about it like it was some sort on conspiracy is amazing... google explained exactly what the two issues were.... google went and fixed them..... the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Coincidence they had a glitch with Churchill on the same weekend as his statue in Parliament square has to be boarded up ??
Nope. Lots of searches happen so they have capacity issues or want to make sure everything is fine or some other computer issue.
Computer capacity. Orwellian.
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"When people seriously believe Google are trying to wipe churchill from history its time to get off." Google would be daft if they try but they do have a history of manipulating their search results to hide what they dont want people to see. | |||
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"When people seriously believe Google are trying to wipe churchill from history its time to get off. Google would be daft if they try but they do have a history of manipulating their search results to hide what they dont want people to see." What like?(serous question) | |||
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"When people seriously believe Google are trying to wipe churchill from history its time to get off. Google would be daft if they try but they do have a history of manipulating their search results to hide what they dont want people to see." Then maybe people should return to other research methods. Google is the main way a lot of people find things, but not the only one. Corporate manipulation of data is another question entirely. I'm quite happy to work towards putting safeguards in place, to minimise major organisations manipulating information. Reduce corporate monopolies and power over government. Sounds great to me. | |||
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"the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, some people are pragmatic instead of viewing the world through the rose-tinted spectacles of ideology.
Some of the actions of Churchill while he was Prime Minister are the things that have allowed us to live in this democratic country with free speech so that we are able to discuss matters such as this.
See I dont agree with this idea of churchill being this great defender of free speech.
As an example in the 1920s he sent warships up the mersey with orders to fire on striking workers.
He was a great wartime leader.I wouldnt say he was a great human being
"Notice the word "some" in my post. My opinion is that this country would be vastly different today had the outcome of WW2 been different. | |||
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"the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, some people are pragmatic instead of viewing the world through the rose-tinted spectacles of ideology.
Some of the actions of Churchill while he was Prime Minister are the things that have allowed us to live in this democratic country with free speech so that we are able to discuss matters such as this.
See I dont agree with this idea of churchill being this great defender of free speech.
As an example in the 1920s he sent warships up the mersey with orders to fire on striking workers.
He was a great wartime leader.I wouldnt say he was a great human being
Notice the word "some" in my post. My opinion is that this country would be vastly different today had the outcome of WW2 been different. "That's true but then we should thank the real people who saved us. The russians | |||
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"When people seriously believe Google are trying to wipe churchill from history its time to get off. Google would be daft if they try but they do have a history of manipulating their search results to hide what they dont want people to see. What like?(serous question)" One example - https://www.vox.com/2017/6/27/15878980/europe-fine-google-antitrust-search where google was found to manipulate results in its favour. Search on any of the lesser used engines for loads more complaints. | |||
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"the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, some people are pragmatic instead of viewing the world through the rose-tinted spectacles of ideology.
Some of the actions of Churchill while he was Prime Minister are the things that have allowed us to live in this democratic country with free speech so that we are able to discuss matters such as this.
See I dont agree with this idea of churchill being this great defender of free speech.
As an example in the 1920s he sent warships up the mersey with orders to fire on striking workers.
He was a great wartime leader.I wouldnt say he was a great human being
Notice the word "some" in my post. My opinion is that this country would be vastly different today had the outcome of WW2 been different.
That's true but then we should thank the real people who saved us. The russians " shots fired | |||
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"the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, some people are pragmatic instead of viewing the world through the rose-tinted spectacles of ideology.
Some of the actions of Churchill while he was Prime Minister are the things that have allowed us to live in this democratic country with free speech so that we are able to discuss matters such as this.
See I dont agree with this idea of churchill being this great defender of free speech.
As an example in the 1920s he sent warships up the mersey with orders to fire on striking workers.
He was a great wartime leader.I wouldnt say he was a great human being
Notice the word "some" in my post. My opinion is that this country would be vastly different today had the outcome of WW2 been different. "Yeah I know..sorry wasnt having a pop I think without him we would have been a german colony But the americans and more importantly the Russians changed the course of the war. | |||
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"OMFG!!! I'm embarrassed to be British. This is getting beyond a joke. I for one know that I owe my independance to that man and am sincerely grateful for what he did for ALL of us. He may have had racist views but that doesn't change what he achieved. " You realise he didnt win the war on his own? | |||
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"the rest of you are just spoiling to troll... so just take ya tin foil hats off!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, some people are pragmatic instead of viewing the world through the rose-tinted spectacles of ideology.
Some of the actions of Churchill while he was Prime Minister are the things that have allowed us to live in this democratic country with free speech so that we are able to discuss matters such as this.
See I dont agree with this idea of churchill being this great defender of free speech.
As an example in the 1920s he sent warships up the mersey with orders to fire on striking workers.
He was a great wartime leader.I wouldnt say he was a great human being
Notice the word "some" in my post. My opinion is that this country would be vastly different today had the outcome of WW2 been different.
That's true but then we should thank the real people who saved us. The russians "If anyone has been written out of history its them | |||
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"When people seriously believe Google are trying to wipe churchill from history its time to get off. Google would be daft if they try but they do have a history of manipulating their search results to hide what they dont want people to see. What like?(serous question) One example - https://www.vox.com/2017/6/27/15878980/europe-fine-google-antitrust-search where google was found to manipulate results in its favour. Search on any of the lesser used engines for loads more complaints. " Thats different to writing people out of history though no? | |||
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"OMFG!!! I'm embarrassed to be British. This is getting beyond a joke. I for one know that I owe my independance to that man and am sincerely grateful for what he did for ALL of us. He may have had racist views but that doesn't change what he achieved. You realise he didnt win the war on his own?" Of course not. But it was Churchill who was the driving force behind motivating British armed forces and keeping morale following the retreat from Dunkirk. Remember that if the British had capitulated like France did the USA would never have entered the war effectively allowing the Third Reich and it's allies to focus solely on the Eastern Front. | |||
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"OMFG!!! I'm embarrassed to be British. This is getting beyond a joke. I for one know that I owe my independance to that man and am sincerely grateful for what he did for ALL of us. He may have had racist views but that doesn't change what he achieved. You realise he didnt win the war on his own? Of course not. But it was Churchill who was the driving force behind motivating British armed forces and keeping morale following the retreat from Dunkirk. Remember that if the British had capitulated like France did the USA would never have entered the war effectively allowing the Third Reich and it's allies to focus solely on the Eastern Front." He played a big part in morale etc there is no argument there.I just find the whole "churchill won the war' a bit silly.A fella yesterday was going round saying he killed Hitler and got applauded. But he was certainly no saint. Yeah good point..but it was The combined efforts of the British,the Americans and the Russians which tipped the balance. | |||
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"OMFG!!! I'm embarrassed to be British. This is getting beyond a joke. I for one know that I owe my independance to that man and am sincerely grateful for what he did for ALL of us. He may have had racist views but that doesn't change what he achieved. You realise he didnt win the war on his own? Of course not. But it was Churchill who was the driving force behind motivating British armed forces and keeping morale following the retreat from Dunkirk. Remember that if the British had capitulated like France did the USA would never have entered the war effectively allowing the Third Reich and it's allies to focus solely on the Eastern Front. He played a big part in morale etc there is no argument there.I just find the whole "churchill won the war' a bit silly.A fella yesterday was going round saying he killed Hitler and got applauded. But he was certainly no saint. Yeah good point..but it was The combined efforts of the British,the Americans and the Russians which tipped the balance." And the British empire. Many countries suffered significantly answering the call. "The King is at war, so we are at war." | |||
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"OMFG!!! I'm embarrassed to be British. This is getting beyond a joke. I for one know that I owe my independance to that man and am sincerely grateful for what he did for ALL of us. He may have had racist views but that doesn't change what he achieved. You realise he didnt win the war on his own? Of course not. But it was Churchill who was the driving force behind motivating British armed forces and keeping morale following the retreat from Dunkirk. Remember that if the British had capitulated like France did the USA would never have entered the war effectively allowing the Third Reich and it's allies to focus solely on the Eastern Front. He played a big part in morale etc there is no argument there.I just find the whole "churchill won the war' a bit silly.A fella yesterday was going round saying he killed Hitler and got applauded. But he was certainly no saint. Yeah good point..but it was The combined efforts of the British,the Americans and the Russians which tipped the balance." Very true. I do think people overlook the sacrifices of the Red Army in pushing back the Nazis from the East. Also it was Stalin's industrial reforms (and their terrible consequences for millions of Russians) which arguably strengthened Russia sufficiently to resist the invasion (helped greatly by the harsh winter). | |||
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"OMFG!!! I'm embarrassed to be British. This is getting beyond a joke. I for one know that I owe my independance to that man and am sincerely grateful for what he did for ALL of us. He may have had racist views but that doesn't change what he achieved. You realise he didnt win the war on his own? Of course not. But it was Churchill who was the driving force behind motivating British armed forces and keeping morale following the retreat from Dunkirk. Remember that if the British had capitulated like France did the USA would never have entered the war effectively allowing the Third Reich and it's allies to focus solely on the Eastern Front. He played a big part in morale etc there is no argument there.I just find the whole "churchill won the war' a bit silly.A fella yesterday was going round saying he killed Hitler and got applauded. But he was certainly no saint. Yeah good point..but it was The combined efforts of the British,the Americans and the Russians which tipped the balance. Very true. I do think people overlook the sacrifices of the Red Army in pushing back the Nazis from the East. Also it was Stalin's industrial reforms (and their terrible consequences for millions of Russians) which arguably strengthened Russia sufficiently to resist the invasion (helped greatly by the harsh winter)." 20 million dead was an eye watering sacrifice . | |||
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"OMFG!!! I'm embarrassed to be British. This is getting beyond a joke. I for one know that I owe my independance to that man and am sincerely grateful for what he did for ALL of us. He may have had racist views but that doesn't change what he achieved. You realise he didnt win the war on his own? Of course not. But it was Churchill who was the driving force behind motivating British armed forces and keeping morale following the retreat from Dunkirk. Remember that if the British had capitulated like France did the USA would never have entered the war effectively allowing the Third Reich and it's allies to focus solely on the Eastern Front. He played a big part in morale etc there is no argument there.I just find the whole "churchill won the war' a bit silly.A fella yesterday was going round saying he killed Hitler and got applauded. But he was certainly no saint. Yeah good point..but it was The combined efforts of the British,the Americans and the Russians which tipped the balance. Very true. I do think people overlook the sacrifices of the Red Army in pushing back the Nazis from the East. Also it was Stalin's industrial reforms (and their terrible consequences for millions of Russians) which arguably strengthened Russia sufficiently to resist the invasion (helped greatly by the harsh winter). 20 million dead was an eye watering sacrifice ." Yes. I'm not inclined to airbrush that in bringing Russia's role back to prominence. It's a difficult balance, and nuance is required. | |||
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"What do you Notice different ? Really are they taking the actual piss 1951-1955. What about from 1940-1945 ?! So we had no prime minister during the war then "What war? History is being rewritten so that the British are seen as always having been nice people. It will also help our Eurovision results. | |||
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"Churchill is far from being erased. Interesting article in the Independent... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/winston-churchill-genocide-dictator-shashi-tharoor-melbourne-writers-festival-a7936141.html" These things can be difficult to read. But it's a sense of perspective. How do other people view us and our legacy? Can we accept that their views have merit? This is how we forge our way forward as a relevant nation in the 21st century, being able to relate to others. Not just clinging to past whitewashed glories and claiming that we're great because of it. | |||
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