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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work."

Agreed, time for that kind of shit to go.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Put it in a museum, where it can be viewed along with its historical context.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Perhaps, I would hope the records of his company are public somewhere for people to be able to view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Erase all that stuff like it never happened, aye....

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

I disagree, it's disgusting what they did. I hope they are found and charged for criminal damage.

These protests are only about making crime not protesting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Begs the question " why in 2020 was it there in the first place?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Begs the question " why in 2020 was it there in the first place?""

Precisely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it needed to go but not the way it went it sends out the wrong message ..

bristol and other cities that were used for slavery need to be changes lots of roads and building renamed for starters ...

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By *icboobs26Woman
over a year ago

Bristol

And how much more is it now going to cost Bristol council and the general public to fish it out the water safely, preserve it, get it to museum, find, chase and prosecute the (idiots) who threw it and not to mention clean and tidy up all the rubbish they left behind during their "quiet" protest!!

Oh and let's hope we dont have to spend our precious and dwindling nhs resources and hospital beds treating them all when they all get c.19 that we are meant to all be staying in for or in groups of less than 6 not 6000!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with these protests is that it's increasing the risk of the virus spreading, and studies are now showing the virus is more dangerous for black and Asian people. So, aren't we actually just increasing the risk of death to black people by clumping together during this pandemic?? It seems counter productive to the cause!?

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

"it needed to go but not the way it went it sends out the wrong message ..

bristol and other cities that were used for slavery need to be changes lots of roads and building renamed for starters ...

So basically you want to erase history? What has already happened and changed a long time ago. You want people to not know what happened, slowly we are become China where freedom of information is limited and changed to suit a few people.

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By *icboobs26Woman
over a year ago

Bristol

"The problem with these protests is that it's increasing the risk of the virus spreading, and studies are now showing the virus is more dangerous for black and Asian people. So, aren't we actually just increasing the risk of death to black people by clumping together during this pandemic?? It seems counter productive to the cause!?"

couldnt agree more!!

I also wanted to say this but couldnt word it right!!

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

"it needed to go but not the way it went it sends out the wrong message ..

bristol and other cities that were used for slavery need to be changes lots of roads and building renamed for starters ...

Yes all the old arguments for changing street names such as; Whiteladies Road and Blackboy Hill will re-emerge..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

We can preserve history and not name things and have statues of those who profiteered off human misery.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"And how much more is it now going to cost Bristol council and the general public to fish it out the water safely, preserve it, get it to museum, find, chase and prosecute the (idiots) who threw it and not to mention clean and tidy up all the rubbish they left behind during their "quiet" protest!!

I believe Bristol City Council spent £50,000 of your money on promoting the demonstration ...

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"Begs the question " why in 2020 was it there in the first place?""

Exactly! When the American solders tore down the Sattue of Saddam Hussein there was celebration so why are people angry now? Admittedly,it is a criminal offence but it's also offensive to celebrate slave traders and just adds to the instutional racism that is ever present.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi just thought I'd give a insight into this. I was at the protest (taking risks I know) and apart from the statue all was very peaceful. I had to return back through the march path and can say there was a very small amount of litter and again no violence.

In terms of removing history and if names should be changed I would say they so. All of the names related to slavers could be changed with a plague on the buildings remembering the old names. The history can be moved to museums so the history can be explained in context

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By *ud and BryanCouple
over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire

Strange how we keep hearing about Britains' involvement in the deplorable slave trade, but nothing about all the British people who were enslaved by - Italians, Arabs, Norwegians, French and others.

Yes slavery is wrong and vile, but remember, Britain was following the lead of MANY other countries, some of whom enslaved Britons.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Strange how we keep hearing about Britains' involvement in the deplorable slave trade, but nothing about all the British people who were enslaved by - Italians, Arabs, Norwegians, French and others.

Yes slavery is wrong and vile, but remember, Britain was following the lead of MANY other countries, some of whom enslaved Britons."

Slavery is very prevalent today. Look at Libya and the Middle East. Never seems to get a mention sadly.

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By *egalBeetleWoman
over a year ago

London

A lot more of those protesters wore masks than any I've seen in parks, beaches and really every day.

The number of deaths have always been high in the UK without protestors.

The UK has its own history of slave trading, focus on your own country and its gritty past.

What did you all do regarding the windrush lives? Nothing.. just qualified nurses and other professionals brought over and treated like shit.

So if we do nothing, nothing happens because clearly there are more closed minded people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work."

Get a life buttercup !

It's called history ....slavery as been around for every color of the human species ! Since the stone age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work.

Get a life buttercup !

It's called history ....slavery as been around for every color of the human species ! Since the stone age.

So we should celebrate slavery in the centre of a city? No we petitioned for over 10 years and millions of signatures to be ignored. They can now decide what to put there instead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work.

Get a life buttercup !

It's called history ....slavery as been around for every color of the human species ! Since the stone age.

So we should celebrate slavery in the centre of a city? No we petitioned for over 10 years and millions of signatures to be ignored. They can now decide what to put there instead

So you think it's acceptable to destroy historical artefacts... Just because you are on some sort of a selfright moral crusade !

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work.

Get a life buttercup !

It's called history ....slavery as been around for every color of the human species ! Since the stone age.

So we should celebrate slavery in the centre of a city? No we petitioned for over 10 years and millions of signatures to be ignored. They can now decide what to put there instead

Is the statue specifically celebrating his involvement in slavery ? He was part of the company for about 10 years. Outside of that he was an MP, did a lot of charity work, establishing alms houses, hospital school as examples.

The British history is full of mistakes, as a nation we’ve made lots of mistakes -damn we have a whole museum of artifacts we’ve stolen from others and have the cheek to call it the British museum.

It’s a history that shouldn’t be erased but in fact talked about. Make the generations question who is that person, why is that street name called what it is, then they learn what has past and teach them not to repeat it

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By *erces LetiferMan
over a year ago

Somewhere off the edge of the map... 'ere there be monsters

"Begs the question " why in 2020 was it there in the first place?""

Was my exact thought also. Should have been taken down years - if not decades - ago. And no that doesn't mean erasing history, obviously it's existence should be documented and remain a matter of public record. That doesn't mean we have to leave a statue up like it's something to be proud of. Let's leave statues for those things and those figures that are actually worthy of such display.

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work.

Get a life buttercup !

It's called history ....slavery as been around for every color of the human species ! Since the stone age.

So we should celebrate slavery in the centre of a city? No we petitioned for over 10 years and millions of signatures to be ignored. They can now decide what to put there instead

So you think it's acceptable to destroy historical artefacts... Just because you are on some sort of a selfright moral crusade !"

Might one take that argument up with the us and UK military forces when they bombed the shit out the ancient building in Baghdad ,one of the corner stones of miderm civilisation.

Just because something his part of our history doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

Maybe an idea would be collecting the artifiactes and placing them into central place. Instead of being a shrine in open spaces but instead as reminded as to how far we have come when slavery was widespread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a Scotsman living not far from Bristol, heres my two cents worth.... apologies to the snowflakes who cant understand it...

I agree the statue probably shouldnt have stood this long, like many others in the UK, however, and this is a big HOWEVER...

Tearing it down the way its been done because your petitions for years and years have fallen on deaf ears...that is just downright thuggery. You're no better than vandals and looters.

The protests are supposed to be peaceful, can you honestly say most of them are around the world?!

Absolute nonsense when we have more important things like a virus to get rid of that is actually killing hundreds of people in the UK per day.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Ghandi next he had some profoundly racist views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work.

Get a life buttercup !

It's called history ....slavery as been around for every color of the human species ! Since the stone age.

So we should celebrate slavery in the centre of a city? No we petitioned for over 10 years and millions of signatures to be ignored. They can now decide what to put there instead

So you think it's acceptable to destroy historical artefacts... Just because you are on some sort of a selfright moral crusade !

Might one take that argument up with the us and UK military forces when they bombed the shit out the ancient building in Baghdad ,one of the corner stones of miderm civilisation.

Just because something his part of our history doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

Maybe the Bristol Crusaders should have a very close look at themselves ? Over the year's they are all guilty of supporting 3rd world modern day slavery ! With buying clothes etc from UK shop's made in the slum's of Calcutta etc .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Begs the question " why in 2020 was it there in the first place?""

Exactly this. The statue should never have still been there

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"Ghandi next he had some profoundly racist views.

Gandhi was a paedophile who slept naked with his own grand niece to test his abstinence from sex.

That's not an opinion it's a fact from her mouth.

He had disgusting views of Africans and was part on annex of east and west Pakistan that lead to a civil war that killed over 3 million with the creation of Bangladesh and Pakistan.

It also didn't help when the UK pulled out of India they gave the new government 1 month to get ready.

Sounds like the uk has form with this piss poor brexit planning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People have to much time on their hands at present & jumping on band wagons , always something to bang on about & an excuse to Cause hassle , damage to other people’s property & not to say more expense to the tax payer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember the outcry when isis started erasing historical artefacts because it went against what they believed should be allowed to exist ?

More of the same I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good god fab truly is a cross section of society and it's idiots today.....

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"it needed to go but not the way it went it sends out the wrong message ..

bristol and other cities that were used for slavery need to be changes lots of roads and building renamed for starters ...

You can't and shouldn't erase history, but you can and should get rid of monuments that celebrate certain shameful people that profited from the sheer misery and suffering of enslaved people. Should have been done years ago.

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good god fab truly is a cross section of society and it's idiots today.....

Idiots?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some food for thought as this is a debate:

6000 on a protest or 6000 on a beach. Yes both breach lockdown but at least one done so for a serious reason, let's not forget that, when we bracket the 2 together. I know which 6000 people I'd rather see fined.

Lots of people of all races have called for more education so let's be careful of erasing history when it could be used for education, this is not celebration just keeping it there.

No matter the rationale, vandalism is not the answer, nor is trolling someone or harassing them, if a young black girl peacefully protesting was crushed by the statue then what?

Unfortunately the manners in which the public display their opinions rightly or wrongly is often illegal and unlawful yet celebrated. In a world where the young are impressionable and want change, what example does that set to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it needed to go but not the way it went it sends out the wrong message ..

bristol and other cities that were used for slavery need to be changes lots of roads and building renamed for starters ...

Everyone on the planet today has and will continue profiting from it, because it happened and a society was built on it, yet we still build statues.... I don't see the link - a statue is a work of art and I'd rather know and remember that there was a slave trade. Just because a statue exists in public it doesn't bring the subject fame, it's more shame in this context and we can remember that and not repeat it surely without vandalism.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Awful, vandalism does not change history. The statue should be in a museum if anyone starts a gofundme to have it restored id chip in.

I suppose all the ancient monuments in Egypt should be destroyed? Afterall slaves were used to build them

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work.

Get a life buttercup !

It's called history ....slavery as been around for every color of the human species ! Since the stone age.

So we should celebrate slavery in the centre of a city? No we petitioned for over 10 years and millions of signatures to be ignored. They can now decide what to put there instead

So you think it's acceptable to destroy historical artefacts... Just because you are on some sort of a selfright moral crusade !

Might one take that argument up with the us and UK military forces when they bombed the shit out the ancient building in Baghdad ,one of the corner stones of miderm civilisation.

Just because something his part of our history doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

Calcutta you mean Kolkata...old boy

You do know Indian doesn't belong the empire anymore?

It's also the main financial hub of India and most of the employment is in that sector. They even have running water and sanitation don't you know.

You mean Bangladesh, you want to see what happens a LEDC country when it main ascot of economy fails just look how people have 100s of miles just to be fed.

These kind of economies can just adjust overnight to the industry going away.

With that said I remember in my time in Bristol it having a diverse high street with even some independent vintage clothing shops.

Bunching up an entire group of people and saying they are one characterization is literally the definition of racism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put it in a museum, where it can be viewed along with its historical context."

Spot on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good god fab truly is a cross section of society and it's idiots today.....

Idiots?"

Yeah, simple folk. Society is made up of a spectrum of mental capability in various subjects from simple folk through to brain surgeons and elite decision makers, yet our voices on fab carry equal weight and often simple shouts louder because it has no fear of ridicule or doesn't know better. One of the sadder points of a democracy, but without an it we can't have equality... I'm an expert in chemicals and human behaviour, but I know nothing about civil engineering or nursing, and I try to recognize that and keep it in check when I open my mouth, innit...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is not about erasing history. It's about not celebrating things that should never happened with a statue in a city centre. It belonged in a museum with context as to who he was and just what he did, including the god he did for the city of Bristol. It did not belong in the city centre

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is not about erasing history. It's about not celebrating things that should never happened with a statue in a city centre. It belonged in a museum with context as to who he was and just what he did, including the god he did for the city of Bristol. It did not belong in the city centre"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see it a bit like a ww2 sub that's been sunk and washed up on a beach and left there rusting. It's history, it happened, but nobody is celebrating it, they're recognising and reflecting.... I haven't seen a slavery march in Bristol lately to my knowledge....

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"it needed to go but not the way it went it sends out the wrong message ..

bristol and other cities that were used for slavery need to be changes lots of roads and building renamed for starters ...

You may want to celebrate a slave trader with a monument, I don't and pleased it's gone. If it's considered a piece of art I'd much rather see something contemporary and progressive on its place.

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By *egalBeetleWoman
over a year ago

London

.... we celebrate WW1/2 every year. Theres always something about the holocaust.

Who even remembers black history month..

Beyond black artists and some black sports players; what do people know about black british people in science and academia?

Or innovators.

How much do you know about the black people who fought in british wars?

The affects of the windrush generation?

How white british people used the south african apartheid system for their own better life?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work.

Get a life buttercup !

It's called history ....slavery as been around for every color of the human species ! Since the stone age.

So we should celebrate slavery in the centre of a city? No we petitioned for over 10 years and millions of signatures to be ignored. They can now decide what to put there instead

So you think it's acceptable to destroy historical artefacts... Just because you are on some sort of a selfright moral crusade !

Might one take that argument up with the us and UK military forces when they bombed the shit out the ancient building in Baghdad ,one of the corner stones of miderm civilisation.

Just because something his part of our history doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

Calcutta you mean Kolkata...old boy

You do know Indian doesn't belong the empire anymore?

It's also the main financial hub of India and most of the employment is in that sector. They even have running water and sanitation don't you know.

You mean Bangladesh, you want to see what happens a LEDC country when it main ascot of economy fails just look how people have 100s of miles just to be fed.

These kind of economies can just adjust overnight to the industry going away.

With that said I remember in my time in Bristol it having a diverse high street with even some independent vintage clothing shops.

Bunching up an entire group of people and saying they are one characterization is literally the definition of racism"

Well what ever that bunch of people pulling that statue down ! It was out and out vandalism!

You wouldn't be best please if a bunch of people came around and pulled half your house down ...because they disagreed with you .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it needed to go but not the way it went it sends out the wrong message ..

bristol and other cities that were used for slavery need to be changes lots of roads and building renamed for starters ...

You may want to celebrate a slave trader with a monument, I don't and pleased it's gone. If it's considered a piece of art I'd much rather see something contemporary and progressive on its place. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".... we celebrate WW1/2 every year. Theres always something about the holocaust.

Who even remembers black history month..

Beyond black artists and some black sports players; what do people know about black british people in science and academia?

Or innovators.

How much do you know about the black people who fought in british wars?

The affects of the windrush generation?

How white british people used the south african apartheid system for their own better life? "

This!

I’m white, and fucking privileged because of it. I don’t know the answers to most of these questions, and I’m going to try and educate myself.

But you’re so bloody right

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By *laqgrapeMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead

God bless Bristol City....God bless todays youth change has been a long time coming...much love Bristol City xxxx

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By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

These are not peaceful protests they run by yobs who feel hard done by ,i hope there parents feel real proud of the shit they caused ,defacing war memorials, chucking bricks at horses ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"God bless Bristol City....God bless todays youth change has been a long time coming...much love Bristol City xxxx"

Bristol city fan eh? They still in league one? Not a bad a team but I prefer Rovers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These are not peaceful protests they run by yobs who feel hard done by ,i hope there parents feel real proud of the shit they caused ,defacing war memorials, chucking bricks at horses .."

Parents are probably to pissed to care

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"Well done to everyone in Bristol today - probably not the best way to get rid of that statue of Edward Colston but it’s definitely opened up a lot of eyes to Britain’s involvement in slavery.

Top work.

Get a life buttercup !

It's called history ....slavery as been around for every color of the human species ! Since the stone age.

So we should celebrate slavery in the centre of a city? No we petitioned for over 10 years and millions of signatures to be ignored. They can now decide what to put there instead

So you think it's acceptable to destroy historical artefacts... Just because you are on some sort of a selfright moral crusade !

Might one take that argument up with the us and UK military forces when they bombed the shit out the ancient building in Baghdad ,one of the corner stones of miderm civilisation.

Just because something his part of our history doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

Calcutta you mean Kolkata...old boy

You do know Indian doesn't belong the empire anymore?

It's also the main financial hub of India and most of the employment is in that sector. They even have running water and sanitation don't you know.

You mean Bangladesh, you want to see what happens a LEDC country when it main ascot of economy fails just look how people have 100s of miles just to be fed.

These kind of economies can just adjust overnight to the industry going away.

With that said I remember in my time in Bristol it having a diverse high street with even some independent vintage clothing shops.

Bunching up an entire group of people and saying they are one characterization is literally the definition of racism

Well what ever that bunch of people pulling that statue down ! It was out and out vandalism!

You wouldn't be best please if a bunch of people came around and pulled half your house down ...because they disagreed with you ."

Your eloquent response to a logical dissemination of your racism is

"Well what ever"(sic)

If my house was built by slaves and their descendants tore it down. I wouldn't be surprised

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By *reakfastCouple
over a year ago

Great Dunmow

It doesnt matter what the rights and wrongs of that statute are, it's not up to a group of entitled vandels to decide what is allowed on our streets.

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By *laqgrapeMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead

"God bless Bristol City....God bless todays youth change has been a long time coming...much love Bristol City xxxx

Bristol city fan eh? They still in league one? Not a bad a team but I prefer Rovers

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hahaha...can someone pls give Badcherries a cigar x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did anyone read this or all too busy offering a view? I know it's not gonna be popular, but.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"God bless Bristol City....God bless todays youth change has been a long time coming...much love Bristol City xxxx

Bristol city fan eh? They still in league one? Not a bad a team but I prefer Rovers

hahaha...can someone pls give Badcherries a cigar x"

Is there a statue of Roy ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It doesnt matter what the rights and wrongs of that statute are, it's not up to a group of entitled vandels to decide what is allowed on our streets."