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"Describe please can’t be bothered to google it? Lol" Likes intelligence  | |||
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"Describe please can’t be bothered to google it? Lol" According to Tokyo, it's when someone finds intelligence sexy | |||
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"Describe please can’t be bothered to google it? Lol" Loves intelligence x | |||
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"I’ve got leanings that way...but it’s not just pure intelligence...it’s how it’s applied that’s the turn on. Anyone can be clever, or good looking...but are they kind and open with it?" Love this answer, where have you been hiding? X | |||
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"I’ve got leanings that way...but it’s not just pure intelligence...it’s how it’s applied that’s the turn on. Anyone can be clever, or good looking...but are they kind and open with it? Love this answer, where have you been hiding? X" Lol...behind a big old pile of baggage, I think! | |||
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"I’ve got leanings that way...but it’s not just pure intelligence...it’s how it’s applied that’s the turn on. Anyone can be clever, or good looking...but are they kind and open with it? Love this answer, where have you been hiding? X Lol...behind a big old pile of baggage, I think! " Well come and say hi, show your intelligence and beauty x | |||
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"I’ve got leanings that way...but it’s not just pure intelligence...it’s how it’s applied that’s the turn on. Anyone can be clever, or good looking...but are they kind and open with it? Love this answer, where have you been hiding? X Lol...behind a big old pile of baggage, I think! Well come and say hi, show your intelligence and beauty x" Don’t think either are that great after midnight!! | |||
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"I’ve got leanings that way...but it’s not just pure intelligence...it’s how it’s applied that’s the turn on. Anyone can be clever, or good looking...but are they kind and open with it? Love this answer, where have you been hiding? X Lol...behind a big old pile of baggage, I think! Well come and say hi, show your intelligence and beauty x Don’t think either are that great after midnight!!" Why does your carriage turn into a pumpkin and your dress into rags x | |||
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"I’ve got leanings that way...but it’s not just pure intelligence...it’s how it’s applied that’s the turn on. Anyone can be clever, or good looking...but are they kind and open with it?" that is very true.
It takes more than a profile and a dick pic to show you that.... Maybe show me your hands and I'll tell you what the lines mean  ..... Or maybe i just want to hold your hands | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. " Ohh | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. Ohh "We'll talk to geeks, nerds and all other sorts too, so long as they are interesting  | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. Ohh
We'll talk to geeks, nerds and all other sorts too, so long as they are interesting "Hold the phone  | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. " Oh but a woman who knows Excel is an instant hard on  ..,jk!
But you're right, need to have a basic social skills first then impress with that layer of random knowledge.. | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. Oh but a woman who knows Excel is an instant hard on ..,jk!
But you're right, need to have a basic social skills first then impress with that layer of random knowledge.."See, we can both do Excel (S far better than me) but also have social skills. It's about the blend...... | |||
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves "Sapio hedonist right here... | |||
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves "But can you really describe yourself as sapient if you only learnt that word today though? | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. " I have a very high IQ of 146 which puts me in the top 1% on the planet. But like you say that’s only one indication of intelligence but beyond my IQ I have a fountain of knowledge from music, current affairs, history and sport to name a few things. But intelligent people can become focused and have tunnel vision for there chosen professions. Many medical consultants/surgeons have very little people skills as they spend so much time with there heads in books & doing research in there chosen fields that people skills don’t develop that one. I can be a social chameleon and hold a decent conversation on many topics to a wide range of different people from all walks of life. | |||
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves
But can you really describe yourself as sapient if you only learnt that word today though? "Unless i was born from Google, one cannot expect to know all orders of philia | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. Oh but a woman who knows Excel is an instant hard on ..,jk!
But you're right, need to have a basic social skills first then impress with that layer of random knowledge.."You mean like pivot tables?  | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. Oh but a woman who knows Excel is an instant hard on ..,jk!
But you're right, need to have a basic social skills first then impress with that layer of random knowledge..
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"If your profile says ‘nawty’ we probably won’t get along " Grrrr don’t start me off with grammar and spelling! In a world where auto correct lurkes in the background of most social media platforms, I still read misspelled words used in incorrect context 
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"You can have all the book smarts in the world. Reality is. Most of us are thick as shit. In the grand scheme of it all. We understand very little and 'know' even less. I don't think people find intelligence sexy. I think they find the confidence and self awareness in those people attractive. " I only know that I know nothing. | |||
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"There are lots of self described sapiophiles or sapiosexuals on here. I’ve always ignored because nobody wants to realise or be made to feel as though they may not be quite intelligent *enough* for someone; I think that would hurt far more than not being physically attractive enough. I’m no expert so I’m not sure if they’re attracted to anyone that is intelligent or anyone that is their physical type *and* intelligent but perhaps that’s one any of them can answer? " You’ll be surprised to know we mix with people from all walks of life, assuming we have common ground | |||
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"There are lots of self described sapiophiles or sapiosexuals on here. I’ve always ignored because nobody wants to realise or be made to feel as though they may not be quite intelligent *enough* for someone; I think that would hurt far more than not being physically attractive enough. I’m no expert so I’m not sure if they’re attracted to anyone that is intelligent or anyone that is their physical type *and* intelligent but perhaps that’s one any of them can answer? You’ll be surprised to know we mix with people from all walks of life, assuming we have common ground " Even us unintelligent folk?  | |||
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"There are lots of self described sapiophiles or sapiosexuals on here. I’ve always ignored because nobody wants to realise or be made to feel as though they may not be quite intelligent *enough* for someone; I think that would hurt far more than not being physically attractive enough. I’m no expert so I’m not sure if they’re attracted to anyone that is intelligent or anyone that is their physical type *and* intelligent but perhaps that’s one any of them can answer? You’ll be surprised to know we mix with people from all walks of life, assuming we have common ground Even us unintelligent folk? "You may be someone’s ‘cup of tea’ there a plenty of folk here after all ... | |||
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"If your profile says ‘nawty’ we probably won’t get along Grrrr don’t start me off with grammar and spelling! In a world where auto correct lurkes in the background of most social media platforms, I still read misspelled words used in incorrect context
It really doesn’t take much - see the little screen below as I’m typing this corrects my spelling ..."Poor spelling and grammar is NOT a sign of lacking intelligence. I’m dyslexic and theirs certain things I just don’t get ever get in spelling and grammar but I am highly intelligent even if I do blow smoke up my own arse with that comment | |||
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"You can have all the book smarts in the world. Reality is. Most of us are thick as shit. In the grand scheme of it all. We understand very little and 'know' even less. I don't think people find intelligence sexy. I think they find the confidence and self awareness in those people attractive. " Confidence & self awareness are not always linked to intelligent people. Some of the most intelligent people I know including Cambridge & Oxford graduates lack confidence | |||
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" I don't think people find intelligence sexy. I think they find the confidence and self awareness in those people attractive. " This true too | |||
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"There are lots of self described sapiophiles or sapiosexuals on here. I’ve always ignored because nobody wants to realise or be made to feel as though they may not be quite intelligent *enough* for someone; I think that would hurt far more than not being physically attractive enough. I’m no expert so I’m not sure if they’re attracted to anyone that is intelligent or anyone that is their physical type *and* intelligent but perhaps that’s one any of them can answer? You’ll be surprised to know we mix with people from all walks of life, assuming we have common ground Even us unintelligent folk?
You may be someone’s ‘cup of tea’ there a plenty of folk here after all ... "Thanks you too | |||
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"I seek intelligence purely to have stimulating conversations with someone, I in turn find this an attractive quality as our connection would deepen, with others we tend to run out of things to discuss and the conversation naturally fades away. Social skills are not part of the attraction for me as they will present themselves in time in whatever form that naturally evolves between us." I think many of us seek the stimulation of conversation as a form of attraction and intelligence does stop the conversations drying up or becoming mundane. As would an interest in a variety of topics | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. Oh but a woman who knows Excel is an instant hard on ..,jk!
But you're right, need to have a basic social skills first then impress with that layer of random knowledge..
You mean like pivot tables? "Oooft! I seem to remember you're quite decorous
You're the only one I'd keep after removing all other conditional formatting, because you're my 'match' with a false condition | |||
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"I’ve got leanings that way...but it’s not just pure intelligence...it’s how it’s applied that’s the turn on. Anyone can be clever, or good looking...but are they kind and open with it?" | |||
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"I seek intelligence purely to have stimulating conversations with someone, I in turn find this an attractive quality as our connection would deepen, with others we tend to run out of things to discuss and the conversation naturally fades away. Social skills are not part of the attraction for me as they will present themselves in time in whatever form that naturally evolves between us." Agree, but there needs to be a basic level of social skills. Or you provide a social comfort to bring the best of out of the other person | |||
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"I seek intelligence purely to have stimulating conversations with someone, I in turn find this an attractive quality as our connection would deepen, with others we tend to run out of things to discuss and the conversation naturally fades away. Social skills are not part of the attraction for me as they will present themselves in time in whatever form that naturally evolves between us." I must say, you can’t beat a beautiful mind. And a conversation with an intelligent person about anything is possibly one of the most stimulating things for me. It’s also why I want to go back and study more, because you can never really be intelligent enough, you know? But I’d hesitate calling myself a sapiophile only because I’m unsure whether someone’s intelligence may be the most attractive feature to me or even the main reason for my attraction, but intelligence can also be irrelevant in my attraction to another person. Is that possible for sapiophiles? Nb: I read there’s apparently a difference between sapiophiles and sapiosexuals so will only use one term and not them both interchangeably. | |||
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves "I personally think that emotional intelligence is the biggest attraction and the trait by which I “measure” most people. Most super intelligent (academic) people I know are miserable or boring fuckers, because they’re often one dimensional and struggle with empathy. Most of the sharp witted people I’ve met/worked with tend to be assholes because they have a sense of superiors over everyone else. The best people - in my view - are those that blend the various ways of being “intelligent”. | |||
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"Sapiosexual female here...although I find I get a lot of abuse for sharing that fact on here. " Abuse for being intelligent? Goodness me, where has it all gone wrong | |||
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves
I personally think that emotional intelligence is the biggest attraction and the trait by which I “measure” most people. Most super intelligent (academic) people I know are miserable or boring fuckers, because they’re often one dimensional and struggle with empathy. Most of the sharp witted people I’ve met/worked with tend to be assholes because they have a sense of superiors over everyone else.
The best people - in my view - are those that blend the various ways of being “intelligent”.
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves "it aint me..I had to look the word up when I first joined | |||
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves
I personally think that emotional intelligence is the biggest attraction and the trait by which I “measure” most people. Most super intelligent (academic) people I know are miserable or boring fuckers, because they’re often one dimensional and struggle with empathy. Most of the sharp witted people I’ve met/worked with tend to be assholes because they have a sense of superiors over everyone else.
The best people - in my view - are those that blend the various ways of being “intelligent”.
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"Sapiosexual female here...although I find I get a lot of abuse for sharing that fact on here. " Whaaaaat?! That's terrible. It's a safe haven here on this thread | |||
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"Sapiosexual female here...although I find I get a lot of abuse for sharing that fact on here. Whaaaaat?! That's terrible. It's a safe haven here on this thread "It just means that I have a long blocked list. It is nice to see that there are a few of us on your thread. | |||
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"I seek intelligence purely to have stimulating conversations with someone, I in turn find this an attractive quality as our connection would deepen, with others we tend to run out of things to discuss and the conversation naturally fades away. Social skills are not part of the attraction for me as they will present themselves in time in whatever form that naturally evolves between us. Agree, but there needs to be a basic level of social skills. Or you provide a social comfort to bring the best of out of the other person "The social comfort side is generally what happens and that leads to a deeper connection, which can take place over a period of months until enough trust is ascertained by both for a happy relationship to appear | |||
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"Sapiosexual female here...although I find I get a lot of abuse for sharing that fact on here. " Hello.. | |||
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"I seek intelligence purely to have stimulating conversations with someone, I in turn find this an attractive quality as our connection would deepen, with others we tend to run out of things to discuss and the conversation naturally fades away. Social skills are not part of the attraction for me as they will present themselves in time in whatever form that naturally evolves between us. I must say, you can’t beat a beautiful mind. And a conversation with an intelligent person about anything is possibly one of the most stimulating things for me. It’s also why I want to go back and study more, because you can never really be intelligent enough, you know? But I’d hesitate calling myself a sapiophile only because I’m unsure whether someone’s intelligence may be the most attractive feature to me or even the main reason for my attraction, but intelligence can also be irrelevant in my attraction to another person. Is that possible for sapiophiles? Nb: I read there’s apparently a difference between sapiophiles and sapiosexuals so will only use one term and not them both interchangeably. "The sexual part for me is a wordsmith, the man who can make me imagine exactly how he wants to play with me is always going to be a first choice. This is also why I only like audio porn, my mind can visualise the images I need to orgasm rather than my eyes | |||
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"I do think sapiophile is fab's buzzword. It makes the person using it sound as if they are interested in things on a deeper level, no superficiality for them and are almost a "touch above"... sure, they may well be but a lot of women who use it are actually just attracted to a well rounded person - they want a good conversationalist, one who is emotionally intelligent and sensitive and can engage playfully on a myriad of subjects... but if it's not wrapped in an aesthetically pleasing package they'd be less than interested. That aesthetic is the primary concern, so no, I don't oft agree with the usage of that term, I just think they want a modern Byron. I do find intelligence attractive, I frequently pretend I have an iota of it. It's not the most important thing for me however. So, not a sapiophile here. Just a woman who likes a decent, well rounded man." slightly more than an iota, Meli - you do yourself a disservice | |||
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"I’ve got leanings that way...but it’s not just pure intelligence...it’s how it’s applied that’s the turn on. Anyone can be clever, or good looking...but are they kind and open with it?" I find the same with women. I love intelligence, but it's the personality that comes with it that makes it sexy. Sheer IQ does nothing for me. | |||
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves
I personally think that emotional intelligence is the biggest attraction and the trait by which I “measure” most people. Most super intelligent (academic) people I know are miserable or boring fuckers, because they’re often one dimensional and struggle with empathy. Most of the sharp witted people I’ve met/worked with tend to be assholes because they have a sense of superiors over everyone else.
The best people - in my view - are those that blend the various ways of being “intelligent”.
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"I do think sapiophile is fab's buzzword. It makes the person using it sound as if they are interested in things on a deeper level, no superficiality for them and are almost a "touch above"... sure, they may well be but a lot of women who use it are actually just attracted to a well rounded person - they want a good conversationalist, one who is emotionally intelligent and sensitive and can engage playfully on a myriad of subjects... but if it's not wrapped in an aesthetically pleasing package they'd be less than interested. That aesthetic is the primary concern, so no, I don't oft agree with the usage of that term, I just think they want a modern Byron. I do find intelligence attractive, I frequently pretend I have an iota of it. It's not the most important thing for me however. So, not a sapiophile here. Just a woman who likes a decent, well rounded man." I think I agree with this (if I’m allowed). | |||
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"I seek intelligence purely to have stimulating conversations with someone, I in turn find this an attractive quality as our connection would deepen, with others we tend to run out of things to discuss and the conversation naturally fades away. Social skills are not part of the attraction for me as they will present themselves in time in whatever form that naturally evolves between us. I must say, you can’t beat a beautiful mind. And a conversation with an intelligent person about anything is possibly one of the most stimulating things for me. It’s also why I want to go back and study more, because you can never really be intelligent enough, you know? But I’d hesitate calling myself a sapiophile only because I’m unsure whether someone’s intelligence may be the most attractive feature to me or even the main reason for my attraction, but intelligence can also be irrelevant in my attraction to another person. Is that possible for sapiophiles? Nb: I read there’s apparently a difference between sapiophiles and sapiosexuals so will only use one term and not them both interchangeably.
The sexual part for me is a wordsmith, the man who can make me imagine exactly how he wants to play with me is always going to be a first choice. This is also why I only like audio porn, my mind can visualise the images I need to orgasm rather than my eyes "Recently got into girlonthenet’s audio porn and it’s definitely more of a turn on than regular porn for me, I must say. | |||
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"There are plenty of academically 'Intelligent' people who are complete shits. Intelligence is attractive to some people and big tits are attractive to others. We can't help what we like" I agree with this too. And also I think intelligence, although it has a specific definition that we can call on, I think is often so subjective. Some people think that you might need at least a post graduate degree to be intelligent enough for them, some might say you need an IQ of a certain level, some might say you have to have read and be able to recite all the literary classics and others might just say you need to have had experiences that encourage you to think ‘logically’. Which is why I said I wouldn’t message a sapiophile because to someone, you’re never going to be intelligent *enough*. My opinion anyway | |||
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"Former-Sapiosexual here I tend to enjoy non-sense giggles and banter as I get older lol "Now here’s a thing, lots of nonsense and humour requires a sharp wit and intelligence so there is likely a link. I am troubled by the sapiosexual thing in that if somebody is seeking somebody who is turned on by so called intelligence is obviously classing themselves as intelligent. When there is intelligence without humility does that become arrogance. Oscar Wilde famously declared he had nothing to declare but his wit, however he didn’t suggest that made him attractive to anybody because of it, in reality his intelligence without humility may have had detrimental consequences. Just my two penneth, it’s fine to be sexually attracted to intelligence, but a different kettle of fish to suggest that you are going to be attractive to somebody else because you consider yourself to be intelligent. I’m just about intelligent enough to realise that this really rather wordy post will go largely unread amongst the flotsam and jetsam of the forum. | |||
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves "In order to attract a sapiophile you have to have something to attract them with. It's not enough to know who they are. | |||
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"There are plenty of academically 'Intelligent' people who are complete shits. Intelligence is attractive to some people and big tits are attractive to others. We can't help what we like I agree with this too. And also I think intelligence, although it has a specific definition that we can call on, I think is often so subjective. Some people think that you might need at least a post graduate degree to be intelligent enough for them, some might say you need an IQ of a certain level, some might say you have to have read and be able to recite all the literary classics and others might just say you need to have had experiences that encourage you to think ‘logically’. Which is why I said I wouldn’t message a sapiophile because to someone, you’re never going to be intelligent *enough*. My opinion anyway "Is it misconstrued as just being an adequate conversationalist then? I get very bored on here when I'm making all the conversation and get just a 3 word response with some women. | |||
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"There are plenty of academically 'Intelligent' people who are complete shits. Intelligence is attractive to some people and big tits are attractive to others. We can't help what we like I agree with this too. And also I think intelligence, although it has a specific definition that we can call on, I think is often so subjective. Some people think that you might need at least a post graduate degree to be intelligent enough for them, some might say you need an IQ of a certain level, some might say you have to have read and be able to recite all the literary classics and others might just say you need to have had experiences that encourage you to think ‘logically’. Which is why I said I wouldn’t message a sapiophile because to someone, you’re never going to be intelligent *enough*. My opinion anyway
Is it misconstrued as just being an adequate conversationalist then?
I get very bored on here when I'm making all the conversation and get just a 3 word response with some women. "I think on fab and dating sites it might often (not always) be. I’ve found getting Long enthusiastic responses on here to be near impossible but I’m assured it’s not because they’re not interested. Lmao bit confusing for me but I’m not a sapiophile so I’m likely easily confused | |||
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"Former-Sapiosexual here I tend to enjoy non-sense giggles and banter as I get older lol
Now here’s a thing, lots of nonsense and humour requires a sharp wit and intelligence so there is likely a link.
I am troubled by the sapiosexual thing in that if somebody is seeking somebody who is turned on by so called intelligence is obviously classing themselves as intelligent.
When there is intelligence without humility does that become arrogance.
Oscar Wilde famously declared he had nothing to declare but his wit, however he didn’t suggest that made him attractive to anybody because of it, in reality his intelligence without humility may have had detrimental consequences.
Just my two penneth, it’s fine to be sexually attracted to intelligence, but a different kettle of fish to suggest that you are going to be attractive to somebody else because you consider yourself to be intelligent.
I’m just about intelligent enough to realise that this really rather wordy post will go largely unread amongst the flotsam and jetsam of the forum. "I disagree on the parts of all sapiosexual people consider themselves as intelligent or always the case. Some people look for the things that they don’t have and to admire , which resulted an attraction and the desire of that person. They want to have sex with them to receive the energy of infused intelligence which some believe and some don’t. | |||
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"Former-Sapiosexual here I tend to enjoy non-sense giggles and banter as I get older lol
Now here’s a thing, lots of nonsense and humour requires a sharp wit and intelligence so there is likely a link.
I am troubled by the sapiosexual thing in that if somebody is seeking somebody who is turned on by so called intelligence is obviously classing themselves as intelligent.
When there is intelligence without humility does that become arrogance.
Oscar Wilde famously declared he had nothing to declare but his wit, however he didn’t suggest that made him attractive to anybody because of it, in reality his intelligence without humility may have had detrimental consequences.
Just my two penneth, it’s fine to be sexually attracted to intelligence, but a different kettle of fish to suggest that you are going to be attractive to somebody else because you consider yourself to be intelligent.
I’m just about intelligent enough to realise that this really rather wordy post will go largely unread amongst the flotsam and jetsam of the forum.
I disagree on the parts of all sapiosexual people consider themselves as intelligent or always the case. Some people look for the things that they don’t have and to admire , which resulted an attraction and the desire of that person. They want to have sex with them to receive the energy of infused intelligence which some believe and some don’t.
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"Former-Sapiosexual here I tend to enjoy non-sense giggles and banter as I get older lol
Now here’s a thing, lots of nonsense and humour requires a sharp wit and intelligence so there is likely a link.
I am troubled by the sapiosexual thing in that if somebody is seeking somebody who is turned on by so called intelligence is obviously classing themselves as intelligent.
When there is intelligence without humility does that become arrogance.
Oscar Wilde famously declared he had nothing to declare but his wit, however he didn’t suggest that made him attractive to anybody because of it, in reality his intelligence without humility may have had detrimental consequences.
Just my two penneth, it’s fine to be sexually attracted to intelligence, but a different kettle of fish to suggest that you are going to be attractive to somebody else because you consider yourself to be intelligent.
I’m just about intelligent enough to realise that this really rather wordy post will go largely unread amongst the flotsam and jetsam of the forum.
I disagree on the parts of all sapiosexual people consider themselves as intelligent or always the case. Some people look for the things that they don’t have and to admire , which resulted an attraction and the desire of that person. They want to have sex with them to receive the energy of infused intelligence which some believe and some don’t.
I agree with you, I was suggesting that if you feel that you will be attractive to somebody who is attracted by intelligence, then you are by default suggesting that you yourself have the intelligence that said sapiofile seeks.
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"I think both Sapiophile and Sapiosexual get thrown around by people who don't fully understand what it means. If I recall correctly (from when Mark Ronson described himself as one, then later withdrew that claim as he found out the proper meaning) Sapiophile: Someone who is sexually attracted to intelligence. Sapiosexual: Some who finds intelligence attractive and seeks relationships with people they find intelligent. However, and this is where people get it wrong, it also means that you are attracted to intelligence regardless of the gender. So a guy who calls himself a Sapiophile would be attracted sexually to another bloke if the guy was intelligent." Can we have a definition of intelligence please | |||
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"I think both Sapiophile and Sapiosexual get thrown around by people who don't fully understand what it means. If I recall correctly (from when Mark Ronson described himself as one, then later withdrew that claim as he found out the proper meaning) Sapiophile: Someone who is sexually attracted to intelligence. Sapiosexual: Some who finds intelligence attractive and seeks relationships with people they find intelligent. However, and this is where people get it wrong, it also means that you are attracted to intelligence regardless of the gender. So a guy who calls himself a Sapiophile would be attracted sexually to another bloke if the guy was intelligent." That’s how I understood it. I asked earlier whether sapiophiles would be attracted to intelligence or would have attraction enhanced by intelligence because of course, they’re different. If your attraction is to the intelligence not the looks of the person, it’s a bit like pansexuality in that sense? These people do exist though, I heard it is what made Satre such a womaniser! | |||
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"I find calling yourself a 'sapiophile' a bit cringy and self-regarding. " I disagree. A sapiophile is attracted by intelligence. They make no comment as to what they regard as 'intelligence' nor any regard to their own intelligence. If someone with a low i.q. says ...... God I fancy him he's dead clever he is...... That makes them a sapiophile and all the nonsense and misunderstanding that goes with it is there just as much as it is anywhere. | |||
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"I think both Sapiophile and Sapiosexual get thrown around by people who don't fully understand what it means. If I recall correctly (from when Mark Ronson described himself as one, then later withdrew that claim as he found out the proper meaning) Sapiophile: Someone who is sexually attracted to intelligence. Sapiosexual: Some who finds intelligence attractive and seeks relationships with people they find intelligent. However, and this is where people get it wrong, it also means that you are attracted to intelligence regardless of the gender. So a guy who calls himself a Sapiophile would be attracted sexually to another bloke if the guy was intelligent. Can we have a definition of intelligence please " | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. Oh but a woman who knows Excel is an instant hard on ..,jk!
But you're right, need to have a basic social skills first then impress with that layer of random knowledge..
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"Learnt this word today watching Money Heist. Like the professor, i struggle to find women who are sapiophiles.... So declare yourselves
I personally think that emotional intelligence is the biggest attraction and the trait by which I “measure” most people. Most super intelligent (academic) people I know are miserable or boring fuckers, because they’re often one dimensional and struggle with empathy. Most of the sharp witted people I’ve met/worked with tend to be assholes because they have a sense of superiors over everyone else.
The best people - in my view - are those that blend the various ways of being “intelligent”.
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"I find calling yourself a 'sapiophile' a bit cringy and self-regarding. I disagree. A sapiophile is attracted by intelligence. They make no comment as to what they regard as 'intelligence' nor any regard to their own intelligence. If someone with a low i.q. says ...... God I fancy him he's dead clever he is...... That makes them a sapiophile and all the nonsense and misunderstanding that goes with it is there just as much as it is anywhere. " No it doesn't! | |||
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"There are plenty of academically 'Intelligent' people who are complete shits. Intelligence is attractive to some people and big tits are attractive to others. We can't help what we like I agree with this too. And also I think intelligence, although it has a specific definition that we can call on, I think is often so subjective. Some people think that you might need at least a post graduate degree to be intelligent enough for them, some might say you need an IQ of a certain level, some might say you have to have read and be able to recite all the literary classics and others might just say you need to have had experiences that encourage you to think ‘logically’. Which is why I said I wouldn’t message a sapiophile because to someone, you’re never going to be intelligent *enough*. My opinion anyway
Is it misconstrued as just being an adequate conversationalist then?
I get very bored on here when I'm making all the conversation and get just a 3 word response with some women. "That’s nothing to do with intelligence - it usually means they’re being lazy and not engaged with your conversation, which is ordinarily a direct result of the inevitable fact that they’ll have around 20 conversations going on at any one time and simply can’t pick one or two in which to focus their efforts. Literally keeping the options open. I think it shows a distinct lack of decisiveness, which I find considerably less attractive than a lack of intellect, not to mention mildly offensive. I prefer to be told “I’m too busy cultivating a rapport with several other men, so I don’t have time to do it with you too”. | |||
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"There are plenty of academically 'Intelligent' people who are complete shits. Intelligence is attractive to some people and big tits are attractive to others. We can't help what we like I agree with this too. And also I think intelligence, although it has a specific definition that we can call on, I think is often so subjective. Some people think that you might need at least a post graduate degree to be intelligent enough for them, some might say you need an IQ of a certain level, some might say you have to have read and be able to recite all the literary classics and others might just say you need to have had experiences that encourage you to think ‘logically’. Which is why I said I wouldn’t message a sapiophile because to someone, you’re never going to be intelligent *enough*. My opinion anyway
Is it misconstrued as just being an adequate conversationalist then?
I get very bored on here when I'm making all the conversation and get just a 3 word response with some women.
That’s nothing to do with intelligence - it usually means they’re being lazy and not engaged with your conversation, which is ordinarily a direct result of the inevitable fact that they’ll have around 20 conversations going on at any one time and simply can’t pick one or two in which to focus their efforts.
Literally keeping the options open.
I think it shows a distinct lack of decisiveness, which I find considerably less attractive than a lack of intellect, not to mention mildly offensive.
I prefer to be told “I’m too busy cultivating a rapport with several other men, so I don’t have time to do it with you too”.
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"There are plenty of academically 'Intelligent' people who are complete shits. Intelligence is attractive to some people and big tits are attractive to others. We can't help what we like I agree with this too. And also I think intelligence, although it has a specific definition that we can call on, I think is often so subjective. Some people think that you might need at least a post graduate degree to be intelligent enough for them, some might say you need an IQ of a certain level, some might say you have to have read and be able to recite all the literary classics and others might just say you need to have had experiences that encourage you to think ‘logically’. Which is why I said I wouldn’t message a sapiophile because to someone, you’re never going to be intelligent *enough*. My opinion anyway
Is it misconstrued as just being an adequate conversationalist then?
I get very bored on here when I'm making all the conversation and get just a 3 word response with some women.
That’s nothing to do with intelligence - it usually means they’re being lazy and not engaged with your conversation, which is ordinarily a direct result of the inevitable fact that they’ll have around 20 conversations going on at any one time and simply can’t pick one or two in which to focus their efforts.
Literally keeping the options open.
I think it shows a distinct lack of decisiveness, which I find considerably less attractive than a lack of intellect, not to mention mildly offensive.
I prefer to be told “I’m too busy cultivating a rapport with several other men, so I don’t have time to do it with you too”.
Great... But 99.99999999% of the time, said mEn choose to pretend to be angry and choose to hurl abuse at the other person when they don't get their way."Well, men are assholes, for the most part | |||
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"There are plenty of academically 'Intelligent' people who are complete shits. Intelligence is attractive to some people and big tits are attractive to others. We can't help what we like I agree with this too. And also I think intelligence, although it has a specific definition that we can call on, I think is often so subjective. Some people think that you might need at least a post graduate degree to be intelligent enough for them, some might say you need an IQ of a certain level, some might say you have to have read and be able to recite all the literary classics and others might just say you need to have had experiences that encourage you to think ‘logically’. Which is why I said I wouldn’t message a sapiophile because to someone, you’re never going to be intelligent *enough*. My opinion anyway
Is it misconstrued as just being an adequate conversationalist then?
I get very bored on here when I'm making all the conversation and get just a 3 word response with some women.
That’s nothing to do with intelligence - it usually means they’re being lazy and not engaged with your conversation, which is ordinarily a direct result of the inevitable fact that they’ll have around 20 conversations going on at any one time and simply can’t pick one or two in which to focus their efforts.
Literally keeping the options open.
I think it shows a distinct lack of decisiveness, which I find considerably less attractive than a lack of intellect, not to mention mildly offensive.
I prefer to be told “I’m too busy cultivating a rapport with several other men, so I don’t have time to do it with you too”.
Great... But 99.99999999% of the time, said mEn choose to pretend to be angry and choose to hurl abuse at the other person when they don't get their way."Because men are trash? | |||
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"I find calling yourself a 'sapiophile' a bit cringy and self-regarding. I disagree. A sapiophile is attracted by intelligence. They make no comment as to what they regard as 'intelligence' nor any regard to their own intelligence. If someone with a low i.q. says ...... God I fancy him he's dead clever he is...... That makes them a sapiophile and all the nonsense and misunderstanding that goes with it is there just as much as it is anywhere. " I read that this in a Brummy accent "God I fancy him he's dead clever he is". I'm a Brummy and can't see anything wrong with it | |||
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"I find calling yourself a 'sapiophile' a bit cringy and self-regarding. I disagree. A sapiophile is attracted by intelligence. They make no comment as to what they regard as 'intelligence' nor any regard to their own intelligence. If someone with a low i.q. says ...... God I fancy him he's dead clever he is...... That makes them a sapiophile and all the nonsense and misunderstanding that goes with it is there just as much as it is anywhere. I read that this in a Brummy accent "God I fancy him he's dead clever he is". I'm a Brummy and can't see anything wrong with it "Yams reet. | |||
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"There are plenty of academically 'Intelligent' people who are complete shits. Intelligence is attractive to some people and big tits are attractive to others. We can't help what we like I agree with this too. And also I think intelligence, although it has a specific definition that we can call on, I think is often so subjective. Some people think that you might need at least a post graduate degree to be intelligent enough for them, some might say you need an IQ of a certain level, some might say you have to have read and be able to recite all the literary classics and others might just say you need to have had experiences that encourage you to think ‘logically’. Which is why I said I wouldn’t message a sapiophile because to someone, you’re never going to be intelligent *enough*. My opinion anyway
Is it misconstrued as just being an adequate conversationalist then?
I get very bored on here when I'm making all the conversation and get just a 3 word response with some women.
That’s nothing to do with intelligence - it usually means they’re being lazy and not engaged with your conversation, which is ordinarily a direct result of the inevitable fact that they’ll have around 20 conversations going on at any one time and simply can’t pick one or two in which to focus their efforts.
Literally keeping the options open.
I think it shows a distinct lack of decisiveness, which I find considerably less attractive than a lack of intellect, not to mention mildly offensive.
I prefer to be told “I’m too busy cultivating a rapport with several other men, so I don’t have time to do it with you too”.
Great... But 99.99999999% of the time, said mEn choose to pretend to be angry and choose to hurl abuse at the other person when they don't get their way."I've never done that,i just don't see the point being abusive here. Maybe I'm weird 
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"I find calling yourself a 'sapiophile' a bit cringy and self-regarding. I disagree. A sapiophile is attracted by intelligence. They make no comment as to what they regard as 'intelligence' nor any regard to their own intelligence. If someone with a low i.q. says ...... God I fancy him he's dead clever he is...... That makes them a sapiophile and all the nonsense and misunderstanding that goes with it is there just as much as it is anywhere. I read that this in a Brummy accent "God I fancy him he's dead clever he is". I'm a Brummy and can't see anything wrong with it " accents win me way aye.... Oh wait | |||
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"Tbh I ignore men who say they are sapiophiles, they tend to be very pretentious. I much prefer people who can converse well, have a laugh etc. But actually witty chat is a rarity!!" THIS! And sapiophilia is ableist too | |||
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"I find calling yourself a 'sapiophile' a bit cringy and self-regarding. I disagree. A sapiophile is attracted by intelligence. They make no comment as to what they regard as 'intelligence' nor any regard to their own intelligence. If someone with a low i.q. says ...... God I fancy him he's dead clever he is...... That makes them a sapiophile and all the nonsense and misunderstanding that goes with it is there just as much as it is anywhere. No it doesn't! " Yes it does. | |||
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"Tbh I ignore men who say they are sapiophiles, they tend to be very pretentious. I much prefer people who can converse well, have a laugh etc. But actually witty chat is a rarity!! THIS! And sapiophilia is ableist too" Ooo. Would you mind explaining how? I’m super keen on understanding how we do things that impact the experiences of others. | |||
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"Tbh I ignore men who say they are sapiophiles, they tend to be very pretentious. I much prefer people who can converse well, have a laugh etc. But actually witty chat is a rarity!! THIS! And sapiophilia is ableist too Ooo. Would you mind explaining how? I’m super keen on understanding how we do things that impact the experiences of others. "Not at all! It's linked in another comment ohere but copy pasting is a nightmare sometimes | |||
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"Tbh I ignore men who say they are sapiophiles, they tend to be very pretentious. I much prefer people who can converse well, have a laugh etc. But actually witty chat is a rarity!! THIS! And sapiophilia is ableist too Ooo. Would you mind explaining how? I’m super keen on understanding how we do things that impact the experiences of others. "https://medium.com/@neal_michon/an-alternative-to-sapiosexual-671dc1bdf86a TL;DR you have people like Mel Baggs who was non-verbal but could write far more eloquently than many, someone with a Masters who has among the highest and most complex emotional support needs of someone I know, and a lot of learning disabled people are actually more astute and with it than a lot of those without. Again, this is personal experience, but I used to be in Mensa and couldn't stand how much reliance on performing wanky philosophising and debating there was. | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. " | |||
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"In other words, sapiosexuslity doesn't take any form of intelligence into account other than IQ points" Oh thanks for sharing. This is super informative. And thanks for sharing bits of your personal experience. And on the IQ points = intelligence I think the trouble is that, unfortunately, it’s not just sapiosexuals and/or sapiophiles that think that. Thanks again | |||
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"Neither of us would use the term sapiophile but we're both very intelligent people and probably geeky to most. We do seek the company of other intelligent people, but intelligence is not the same as IQ or MENSA tests. We have a colleague who is a member of MENSA, a very clever woman in bits she's an expert in, but she has zero general knowledge and no interest or understanding of current affairs really. She's fabulous with a spreadsheet but not so great to sit and chat to socially. We love conversing with well rounded, worldly people who have something interesting to talk about. I have a very high IQ of 146 which puts me in the top 1% on the planet. But like you say that’s only one indication of intelligence but beyond my IQ I have a fountain of knowledge from music, current affairs, history and sport to name a few things. But intelligent people can become focused and have tunnel vision for there chosen professions. Many medical consultants/surgeons have very little people skills as they spend so much time with there heads in books & doing research in there chosen fields that people skills don’t develop that one. I can be a social chameleon and hold a decent conversation on many topics to a wide range of different people from all walks of life. " Interesting. In visiting the hospital recently. The higher up the chain the doctor/consultant was the worse their people skills were. Give me someone who I can chat to. I don’t care about their IQ. | |||
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"Does size matter to sapiophiles? I have a massive, er, vocabulary "Oh yes, I love me a man with a huge, hard(cover) dictionary | |||
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"Does size matter to sapiophiles? I have a massive, er, vocabulary
Oh yes, I love me a man with a huge, hard(cover) dictionary "Think of the dustjacket you'd need though | |||
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"Does size matter to sapiophiles? I have a massive, er, vocabulary
Oh yes, I love me a man with a huge, hard(cover) dictionary
Think of the dustjacket you'd need though "I'm sure they make 'em to fit all sizes in a factory somewhere in Malaysia | |||
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"Eye fink I must b fick " I am !I think ?? I still have no idea beyond subjective or relative what intelligent is? Also does this perceived intelligence have to at some point have a moral or philosophical agreement Thus can a highly intelligent person who articulates the position for Brexit eloquent and articulate desire on a sapiosexual level a swivel eyed articulate and eloquent snowflake remainer
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"In other words, sapiosexuslity doesn't take any form of intelligence into account other than IQ points Oh thanks for sharing. This is super informative. And thanks for sharing bits of your personal experience. And on the IQ points = intelligence I think the trouble is that, unfortunately, it’s not just sapiosexuals and/or sapiophiles that think that. Thanks again "Any time! | |||
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"I’ve got leanings that way...but it’s not just pure intelligence...it’s how it’s applied that’s the turn on. Anyone can be clever, or good looking...but are they kind and open with it?" I'm with you, girl. Intelligence along with awareness and generosity is defo a turn on. | |||
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"I find calling yourself a 'sapiophile' a bit cringy and self-regarding. I disagree. A sapiophile is attracted by intelligence. They make no comment as to what they regard as 'intelligence' nor any regard to their own intelligence. If someone with a low i.q. says ...... God I fancy him he's dead clever he is...... That makes them a sapiophile and all the nonsense and misunderstanding that goes with it is there just as much as it is anywhere. " There's quite a difference between 'I'm a sapiophile' and 'I fancy them, they're clever' One is a simple expression of taste, the other is trying to dress up that taste as something special through fancy language. Imagine if you met someone who said 'I'm a oenophile' instead of 'I really like wine' - most of us would consider that person a bit of a pretentious so and so. | |||
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"I do think sapiophile is fab's buzzword. It makes the person using it sound as if they are interested in things on a deeper level, no superficiality for them and are almost a "touch above"... sure, they may well be but a lot of women who use it are actually just attracted to a well rounded person - they want a good conversationalist, one who is emotionally intelligent and sensitive and can engage playfully on a myriad of subjects... but if it's not wrapped in an aesthetically pleasing package they'd be less than interested. That aesthetic is the primary concern, so no, I don't oft agree with the usage of that term, I just think they want a modern Byron. I do find intelligence attractive, I frequently pretend I have an iota of it. It's not the most important thing for me however. So, not a sapiophile here. Just a woman who likes a decent, well rounded man." Well said Meli some (not all) of the people that use the term also show themselves to be shallow people with I think is actually the opposite of a sapiophile or maybe a contradiction when looking for someone with more depth. How people measure intelligence is up for debate too. Because as others have done on this thread using spelling n grammar as a measure is such a misconception | |||
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