FabSwingers.com forum: Is atheism a religion?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I dont think so as the festivities during the year is religion based, will they celebrate the easter like we do?

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

It's a belief not a religion .

A religion is worshipping some non existent entity .

Whereas Atheism is a belief that theres no such fucking thing .

That's my opinion anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods. "

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods. "
That is a good point too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, as atheism is an option on government forums under religion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldn’t call it a religion as there is no rules to follow

No group involvement it’s just my personal feeling that no single entity created everything and everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will be celebrating Easter in the traditional way with overpriced chocolate

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By *hebritukCouple
over a year ago

London

Worshipping yourself! Is that a religion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I will be celebrating Easter in the traditional way with overpriced chocolate

Don’t buy Easter eggs just buy bar of chocolate you far more chokky for your money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wanger? "

Is it on pornhub?

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"It's a belief not a religion .

A religion is worshipping some non existent entity .

Whereas Atheism is a belief that theres no such fucking thing .

That's my opinion anyway

I a faith, a strong belief in absolute truth without any evidence to back it up. As opposed to agnostic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too many questions that I’ve never been given a sensible answer to for me to believe in a God.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wanger?

Is it on pornhub?"

not quite, google it before I butcher it completely.

But said person "atheist" was asked on near death bed about "God", and does he now change his mind.. To which the reply was something along the lines of -

If he then starts to "believe", and God doesn't exist, he has nothing to loose, If God does exist, he has everything to gain..

Think I definitely butchered that, so probably best go google it

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By *erry bull1Man
over a year ago

doncaster

I’m a dyslexic atheist, I don’t believe in dog

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

No. It's a lack of religion.

I celebrate major festivals from my culture. Where necessary I strip the religion out.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wanger?

Is it on pornhub?"

It’s flawed, if you believe in things bigger than yourself , even if they don’t exist, good things still happen. Lots of studies done on this, into happiness, health and wealth. There was also a specific study dune on social workers and belief, atheists had something like 10x the rate of depression and burnout than other groups.

That’s why we lie to children about Santa Claus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wanger?

Is it on pornhub?

That’s why we lie to children about Santa Claus

Would love to see study done on social workers and beliefs, as I work in health and social care, but also have Christian beliefs (that I don't push onto others I might add). And would be interested in some aspects of this study.

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By *ndy64hMan
over a year ago

Plymouth

Google it

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"I will be celebrating Easter in the traditional way with overpriced chocolate

Got ours at Aldi half price. Probably still overpriced but every little helps.

Shit.

That's Tesco's........

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport

Of course not.

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By *ools1964Man
over a year ago

Swadlincote

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods. "
no it isn't a belief, it is literally the absence of belief

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wanger?

Is it on pornhub?

That’s why we lie to children about Santa Claus

It was Trussel Trust, we were anti-trafficking and they were telling us what to expect; burn out , depression and mental health issues after the work will be highest among us atheists(we were then) and quoted this study of social worker suicide and depression rates, because they had no way to cope with or understand despair and injustice they saw.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods. no it isn't a belief, it is literally the absence of belief "

Or is it belief in the absence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont think so as the festivities during the year is religion based, will they celebrate the easter like we do? "

You can be culturally Christian and an atheist.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

As people have said it is not a religion.

Every child is of born atheist and it is only when their minds are warped by adults that they become religious. Almost exclusively they grow up to be the same religion as their parents/society. Funny that.

Even funnier is that of course as most believers only believe in one god (in most cases) out of the 3000-5000 gods out there they are only one god less atheist than an atheist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a belief not a religion .

A religion is worshipping some non existent entity .

Whereas Atheism is a belief that theres no such fucking thing .

That's my opinion anyway

It rather depends whether you're using the definition from classical philosophy: a belief that no gods exist.

The modern more everyday definition which is a lack of belief in theistic claims.

The first, whilst it is an active belief is not necessarily a belief system and definitely not a religion.

The second is neither.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods. "

I disagree, I'd say that atheism is an absence of belief and not a religion.

Cal

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods.

I disagree, I'd say that atheism is an absence of belief and not a religion.

Cal"

Yes.

Unless a Christian also has the belief system of "not Judaism" and "not Islam" and "not ancient Norse pantheon" etc forever.

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Merton

can be argued for or against that being an atheist is a religion, if you look at it surely it is a common belief and practice.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"can be argued for or against that being an atheist is a religion, if you look at it surely it is a common belief and practice."

What are the central beliefs, tenets, or other unifying positive actions involved?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont think so as the festivities during the year is religion based, will they celebrate the easter like we do? "

No, I won't be. Nor do I celebrate Christmas

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

"can be argued for or against that being an atheist is a religion, if you look at it surely it is a common belief and practice."

I’m a non practicing atheist .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"can be argued for or against that being an atheist is a religion, if you look at it surely it is a common belief and practice."

But it isn't a common belief and practice, it's a common lack of belief and has NO practices.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I also looked up something interesting about funerals and this came up, it can be done in churches but it will be like a humanist funeral, although it does not include hymns or prayers there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an atheist I don't consider it a religion just a belief.

I don't celebrate easter, certainly not from a religious perspective (although I will eat mini-eggs, chocolate is not religious!) in the same way as I don't celebrate Christmas. But the good thing about atheism is there are no rules so other atheist can do as they please as far as I'm concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I also looked up something interesting about funerals and this came up, it can be done in churches but it will be like a humanist funeral, although it does not include hymns or prayers there."

Most churches will not allow a humanist service to take place although I guess some may allow a blessing.

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By *etLikeMan
over a year ago

most fundamental aspects

Humanist funerals and weddings are on the increase. They can be themed any way you like as long as, if they’re in a church, they’re respectful of the location.

One way to look at whether atheism is a religion, is to ask what colour water is. In its unadulterated state, it is a clear colourless liquid. Once you introduce an outside influence, it is then coloured by that. So what I’m saying, is effectively no. Ask 100 Christians/Muslims etc what their belief means to them and you get largely the same responses. Ask 100 atheists and it could be all over the place

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I dont think so as the festivities during the year is religion based, will they celebrate the easter like we do? "

Easter you mean that pagan moon based fertily festival that Christians stole

No I dont celebrate that I do look for to the holiday though and respect spring for a time of animal and plant birth or growth after winter

Atheism is a position on religious concepts it has no unified doctrines or beliefs

I'm a happy atheist

I feel sorry for those who believe the thing they worship created the nasty virus slaughtering some humans atm

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager? "

Yup it's stupid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you religious? No I'm an atheist.

I'd say that settles the debate on it not being a religion.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Humanist. Is the Route.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Humanist. Is the Route.

I understand the taoist philosophy

And the humanist one

I dont think there is enough data to form a belief in a creator

I understand some of the data that suggests there isn't

For the record I dont BELIEVE big bang theory

Theres not enough data to know a singularity could be correct

I understand expansion and why the theory is plausible

No need for belief just undranding

There is no human invented concept that does not have so many contradictions misnomer paradoxes and out and out lies that I could understand them beyond a human construct as a plausible theory of creator non stack up to understand let alone enough to take a position of belief

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"As people have said it is not a religion.

Even funnier is that of course as most believers only believe in one god (in most cases) out of the 3000-5000 gods out there they are only one god less atheist than an atheist."

This pretty much describes atheism perfectly

Its not a belief, it's the absence of belief

I assume most people dont believe in Zeus or Thor. Athiests just see no more reason to believe in any other man made Gods that's all

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager? "

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

But god is supposedly all knowing (omniscient) and he would know whether you truly believe in him or not and whether you're living life as a good person because you believe you should do that or whether you're doing it so you don't go to hell.

Not religious here myself.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

Not religious here myself. "

Exactly, its cheap trick used on people who are too gullible to see the fallacy of it

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"As people have said it is not a religion.

Even funnier is that of course as most believers only believe in one god (in most cases) out of the 3000-5000 gods out there they are only one god less atheist than an atheist.

This pretty much describes atheism perfectly

Its not a belief, it's the absence of belief

I assume most people dont believe in Zeus or Thor. Athiests just see no more reason to believe in any other man made Gods that's all"

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

Not religious here myself.

Exactly, its cheap trick used on people who are too gullible to see the fallacy of it"

"If you don't believe in this man threatening you with a cricket bat, you might get hit with the cricket bat." (Conveniently ignores all other people with all other weapons who might exist, or the fact that none of them might)

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

Just to point out that last paragraph isn't in pascals wager, it's a solid argument against it.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Just to point out that last paragraph isn't in pascals wager, it's a solid argument against it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My ex says absolutely not. He has no belief or faith system and says he won’t accept anything other than science and what can be proven x Viv x

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

Not religious here myself.

Exactly, its cheap trick used on people who are too gullible to see the fallacy of it

Haha I could probably handle a cricket bat

Hiwever the all loving God threatens non believers with eternal hellfire. It's a very good job there is absolutely no reason to think one exists

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

"Just to point out that last paragraph isn't in pascals wager, it's a solid argument against it.

i'm crap at explaining stuff in a nonconfusing way these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager? "

Years ago we had a house fire, my ex husband was hanging from the window trying to breath. He said that, to him, it proves there’s no God as he didn’t turn to one with the promise he’d believe if he was saved. He said he doesn’t believe and nothing will make him change his mind.

If my daughter had not been successfully resuscitated, because he chose to save himself, then maybe he’d think different as he would definitely be at deaths door when I’d finished with him. Viv xx

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

Not religious here myself.

Exactly, its cheap trick used on people who are too gullible to see the fallacy of it

Haha I could probably handle a cricket bat

Hiwever the all loving God threatens non believers with eternal hellfire. It's a very good job there is absolutely no reason to think one exists

Absolutely.

And any God who demands to be chosen with the same amount of evidence for him/her as the next ten thousand deities... doesn't deserve it.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

Not religious here myself.

Exactly, its cheap trick used on people who are too gullible to see the fallacy of it

Haha I could probably handle a cricket bat

Hiwever the all loving God threatens non believers with eternal hellfire. It's a very good job there is absolutely no reason to think one exists

Absolutely.

And any God who demands to be chosen with the same amount of evidence for him/her as the next ten thousand deities... doesn't deserve it."

Couldn't have said it better myself

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

Not religious here myself.

Exactly, its cheap trick used on people who are too gullible to see the fallacy of it

Haha I could probably handle a cricket bat

Hiwever the all loving God threatens non believers with eternal hellfire. It's a very good job there is absolutely no reason to think one exists

Erm

There is a chance cov-sars2 could torture humanity for quite some time if it decides to mutate so a vaccine is useless

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

Not religious here myself.

Exactly, its cheap trick used on people who are too gullible to see the fallacy of it

Haha I could probably handle a cricket bat

Hiwever the all loving God threatens non believers with eternal hellfire. It's a very good job there is absolutely no reason to think one exists

Erm

There is a chance cov-sars2 could torture humanity for quite some time if it decides to mutate so a vaccine is useless "

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By *inegarStrokesMan
over a year ago

Uxbridge

A religion is faith based, atheism is not.

Person A says there is a god.

Person B says prove it.

Person A has no sufficient evidence.

Person B says I don’t believe you then.

Therefore atheist - it is simply the rejection of claims not the belief of other claims.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

Not religious here myself.

Exactly, its cheap trick used on people who are too gullible to see the fallacy of it

Haha I could probably handle a cricket bat

Hiwever the all loving God threatens non believers with eternal hellfire. It's a very good job there is absolutely no reason to think one exists

Erm

There is a chance cov-sars2 could torture humanity for quite some time if it decides to mutate so a vaccine is useless

??"

Oh come on lol

I was of course being flippant lol

But to explain it

Many people hope many differing God concepts exist

No one however believes in the one true one that had you suggest will torture humans for eternity (hellfire being a metaphor for nasty shit)

Thus we now have a metaphoric hellfire that could indeed plague humanity for eternity

Which by default could prove the nasty sadist creator model doctrine to be a valid one

I of course jest said with a little tongue in cheek x

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

Its a definite belief ...so yes

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

"Its a definite belief ...so yes

I'm Agnostic myself

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"A religion is faith based, atheism is not.

Person A says there is a god.

Person B says prove it.

Person A has no sufficient evidence.

Person B says I don’t believe you then.

Therefore atheist - it is simply the rejection of claims not the belief of other claims. "

Not believing x does not mean we replace belief x with alternative belief y

That maybe the case for some but it's not the defacto position

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I also looked up something interesting about funerals and this came up, it can be done in churches but it will be like a humanist funeral, although it does not include hymns or prayers there.

Most churches will not allow a humanist service to take place although I guess some may allow a blessing.

Crematoriums will allow a humanist ceremony and they have no restrictions on whether that includes a religious element. I believe prayers were said at Stephen Hawkings' funeral because he wanted his religious friends to take comfort in their own beliefs"
That is right although I dont think that a non religious wedding symbolises the same thing as they dont have had the ceremony and the whole tradotional celebrations of it.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Its a definite belief ...so yes

Tell me sir what do I believe ? Ie tell me the story I'm told that I dont know if true or false but I chose belief ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I also looked up something interesting about funerals and this came up, it can be done in churches but it will be like a humanist funeral, although it does not include hymns or prayers there.

Most churches will not allow a humanist service to take place although I guess some may allow a blessing.

Crematoriums will allow a humanist ceremony and they have no restrictions on whether that includes a religious element. I believe prayers were said at Stephen Hawkings' funeral because he wanted his religious friends to take comfort in their own beliefsThat is right although I dont think that a non religious wedding symbolises the same thing as they dont have had the ceremony and the whole tradotional celebrations of it."

Steady shag that could be very offensive

Two devoted people look each other in the eye and tell each other they are wedded to one another

You must not demean that

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Religion is a bit like football. (I could have used the smoking, tattoo analogy)

Attendands at the weekends.

The rules are dished out by a man in black.

Tribal loyalty means the same venue week in week out.

The lower down the ranks, the higher the loyalty.

The lower down the ranks, the more offence is caused by in depth questioning.

There is an immense feeling of them-and-us. Worse for non-followers.

Flock/herd mentality.

Try this:

Believer: What church do you go to?

Atheist: I don't go.

B: What sort of christian are you?

A: I'm not?

B: Not what?

A: I'm not...a christian, not going to church, not religious at all, not going to start!

B: So you're a devil worshipper then?

A: (Takes a deep breath) The devil is a religious character, who though he was better than the god I don't believe in. Therefore I don't believe in him either!

B: (Nothing to say)

A: Walks away-point proven.

I've had this conversation when 15 at school. I was person A

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"Religion is a bit like football. (I could have used the smoking, tattoo analogy)

Attendands at the weekends.

The rules are dished out by a man in black.

Tribal loyalty means the same venue week in week out.

The lower down the ranks, the higher the loyalty.

The lower down the ranks, the more offence is caused by in depth questioning.

There is an immense feeling of them-and-us. Worse for non-followers.

Flock/herd mentality.

Try this:

Believer: What church do you go to?

Atheist: I don't go.

B: What sort of christian are you?

A: I'm not?

B: Not what?

A: I'm not...a christian, not going to church, not religious at all, not going to start!

B: So you're a devil worshipper then?

A: (Takes a deep breath) The devil is a religious character, who though he was better than the god I don't believe in. Therefore I don't believe in him either!

B: (Nothing to say)

A: Walks away-point proven.

I've had this conversation when I was 15 at school. I was person A

Typo!

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By *hite russianWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

Of course it's not. It is a belief.

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By *inegarStrokesMan
over a year ago

Uxbridge

" Not believing x does not mean we replace belief x with alternative belief y

That maybe the case for some but it's not the defacto position "

Yes that’s what I said. Rejection of belief does not mean you believe the opposite.

For example I reject the claim ‘there is a god’

That doesn’t mean i don’t believe there could be a god. It just means the evidence hasn’t backed up the claim thus far.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I also looked up something interesting about funerals and this came up, it can be done in churches but it will be like a humanist funeral, although it does not include hymns or prayers there.

Most churches will not allow a humanist service to take place although I guess some may allow a blessing.

Crematoriums will allow a humanist ceremony and they have no restrictions on whether that includes a religious element. I believe prayers were said at Stephen Hawkings' funeral because he wanted his religious friends to take comfort in their own beliefsThat is right although I dont think that a non religious wedding symbolises the same thing as they dont have had the ceremony and the whole tradotional celebrations of it.

Steady shag that could be very offensive

Two devoted people look each other in the eye and tell each other they are wedded to one another

You must not demean that "
That is right they are married the same but not just not traditional way there.

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over a year ago

Religion - the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I also looked up something interesting about funerals and this came up, it can be done in churches but it will be like a humanist funeral, although it does not include hymns or prayers there.

Most churches will not allow a humanist service to take place although I guess some may allow a blessing.

Crematoriums will allow a humanist ceremony and they have no restrictions on whether that includes a religious element. I believe prayers were said at Stephen Hawkings' funeral because he wanted his religious friends to take comfort in their own beliefsThat is right although I dont think that a non religious wedding symbolises the same thing as they dont have had the ceremony and the whole tradotional celebrations of it.

Steady shag that could be very offensive

Two devoted people look each other in the eye and tell each other they are wedded to one another

You must not demean that That is right they are married the same but not just not traditional way there."

Traditionally some humans used to eat human brains

Traditionally humans chase dog like creatures around the countryside and allow a super bread dog tear them apart

Traditionally some humans remove the clitoris from young ladies

I'm no fan of traditional

I like free thought and reasoning

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Religion - the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods"

See its buddhism that confuses people as its called a religion

Actually it's a philosophy one can be a theistic or an atheistic Buddhist

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

As Richard Dawkins once asked...Why is religion obsessed with the genitals of children?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"As Richard Dawkins once asked...Why is religion obsessed with the genitals of children?"

Indeed or why are young children asked which religion they are

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over a year ago

To all those who say they do not believe in God, it really does not matter because God believes in you

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"To all those who say they do not believe in God, it really does not matter because God believes in you

Keep it in church man

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"As Richard Dawkins once asked...Why is religion obsessed with the genitals of children?

Indeed or why are young children asked which religion they are "

No morally normal person would hold down a baby and start cutting away at its genitals

Religion takes a perfectly average human being and makes them do abhorrent things

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over a year ago

"As Richard Dawkins once asked...Why is religion obsessed with the genitals of children?

Indeed or why are young children asked which religion they are

No morally normal person would hold down a baby and start cutting away at its genitals

Religion takes a perfectly average human being and makes them do abhorrent things "

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods. "

My atheism is a lack of belief rather than a positive disbelief.

All I can say for certain is that I don't know anything for certain.

I'm quite sceptical about anyone who claims to know god and what is in its mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As Richard Dawkins once asked...Why is religion obsessed with the genitals of children?

Indeed or why are young children asked which religion they are "

My youngest doesn’t follow a religion. Our oldest is Catholic as we were both practicing at the time. However, as she’s severely disabled the Priest refused to let her go through the rites of passage as a Catholic, because she can’t recite what she has to. She’s non verbal. My argument was that God made her that way, so why would he deny her what every other Catholic child could have. He wouldn’t budge.

When my ex lost his faith, or however you want to term it and became an atheist, we agreed that our youngest would only have a naming ceremony and that she would make her own decisions re faith. She is amazing! She questions everything. I can give her a (lapsed) faith perspective, but as a former Catholic and someone who has studied the bible, Quran and other religious texts, and is an atheist, he can discuss things in more depth, should she be interested. Unlike me, she doesn’t attend a faith school. We are giving her choice, something I wasn’t given, and something her sister was denied.

When asked if she believes in God she says she doesn’t know. She wants to believe there’s something but she doesn’t believe in God x Viv x

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an atheist and i dont see its as a religion. Religions believe in a god or a deity. While some don’t have gods like Buddhism, it does teach a way to live your life and reincarnation . Atheism doesn’t have this.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No.

But everyone is welcome to enjoy any festivities. I'll have an Easter egg.

Humans appear to have celebrated many of the festive stuff we do, for religions, since long before that religion incorporated it. Decorated eggs are perhaps thousands of years old. We had ancient pagan winter festivals that got included as Christmas.

Just as I don't know much, or have any interest in most things, atheists can be the same about any or all of the thousands of religious sects that have existed.

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over a year ago

A belief system doesn't necessarily have to be the basis of a religion, it can be a person's moral code. I think a lot of people want to distance themselves from the word religion and the atrocities carried out under its name.

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over a year ago

Amusingly a Humanist wedding, which is entirely secular and non religious, is classed as a religious wedding at the registrar.

It was explained as the system having civil or religious as options.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I also looked up something interesting about funerals and this came up, it can be done in churches but it will be like a humanist funeral, although it does not include hymns or prayers there.

Most churches will not allow a humanist service to take place although I guess some may allow a blessing.

Crematoriums will allow a humanist ceremony and they have no restrictions on whether that includes a religious element. I believe prayers were said at Stephen Hawkings' funeral because he wanted his religious friends to take comfort in their own beliefsThat is right although I dont think that a non religious wedding symbolises the same thing as they dont have had the ceremony and the whole tradotional celebrations of it.

Steady shag that could be very offensive

Two devoted people look each other in the eye and tell each other they are wedded to one another

You must not demean that That is right they are married the same but not just not traditional way there."

The church appropriated marriage

There was a time when all you needed to marry was a witness

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"I also looked up something interesting about funerals and this came up, it can be done in churches but it will be like a humanist funeral, although it does not include hymns or prayers there.

Most churches will not allow a humanist service to take place although I guess some may allow a blessing.

A true Humanist funeral cannot include any religious element. Same with a Humanist wedding.

What a Humanist funeral will allow is a few moment of reflection, and people can use they to pray if they wish, but they won’t actively be invited to do so.

Humanist funerals have restrictions on things like music and readings as they cannot be religious. Some celebrants are stricter on music than others.

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By *orksRockerMan
over a year ago

Bradford

I think Matt Dillahunty has something to say on this.....

https://youtu.be/qHsFA7cp7M0

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods. "

Nope. At best you could describe it as a pursuit or interest followed with devotion if you really were wanting to label it a religion, but to not believe in any deity or superhuman force is definitely not a religion. It’s an ideology.

Atheism is not a belief system. Theism is a belief system. Atheism is the exact opposite.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wager?

It's a gamble on believing in God just in case 'he' does exist. If he doesn't then no harm done apparently.

Not religious here myself.

Exactly, its cheap trick used on people who are too gullible to see the fallacy of it

Haha I could probably handle a cricket bat

Hiwever the all loving God threatens non believers with eternal hellfire. It's a very good job there is absolutely no reason to think one exists

Erm

There is a chance cov-sars2 could torture humanity for quite some time if it decides to mutate so a vaccine is useless

Oh come on lol

I was of course being flippant lol

But to explain it

Many people hope many differing God concepts exist

No one however believes in the one true one that had you suggest will torture humans for eternity (hellfire being a metaphor for nasty shit)

Thus we now have a metaphoric hellfire that could indeed plague humanity for eternity

Which by default could prove the nasty sadist creator model doctrine to be a valid one

I of course jest said with a little tongue in cheek x"

Ahh I'm with you now, sorry

And I've no doubt that some crackpot preachers will already be claiming that this is all God's wrath pouring out on a sinful world. The mind boggles

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

Theism is holding a belief in a god (or in gods)

Atheism is not holding a belief in any gods. It's the opposite - a-theism. That is different from believing there is no god. The former denotes no belief, the latter denotes belief.

Not being convinced by something is not a religion any more than abstinence during lock-down is a sex position.

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over a year ago

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods.

Atheism is not a belief system. Theism is a belief system. Atheism is the exact opposite. "

How would Buddhism or Humanism fit into this argument, when both are religions that believe there is no god?

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Oxford dictionary defines religion is a belief in or worship of a superhuman controlling power.

By this definition, atheism is not a religion. But by the same definition, Buddhism and Jainism are also not religions.

In the end, it's all about how you define the word religion. If it is just a belief system about life and creation, atheism is a religion. If your definition involves worship or superhuman powers, then atheism is not a religion.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods.

Atheism is not a belief system. Theism is a belief system. Atheism is the exact opposite.

How would Buddhism or Humanism fit into this argument, when both are religions that believe there is no god? "

I'm a member of the British humanist society and I promise you its not a religion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oxford dictionary defines religion is a belief in or worship of a superhuman controlling power.

By this definition, atheism is not a religion. But by the same definition, Buddhism and Jainism are also not religions.

It’s not a religion by any definition. If you were to label it as such, you could say that being a Labour supporter is a religion for example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oxford dictionary defines religion is a belief in or worship of a superhuman controlling power.

By this definition, atheism is not a religion. But by the same definition, Buddhism and Jainism are also not religions.

It’s not a religion by any definition. If you were to label it as such, you could say that being a Labour supporter is a religion for example. "

If you say it is a belief system about creation, how would labour party be a religion?

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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oxford dictionary defines religion is a belief in or worship of a superhuman controlling power.

By this definition, atheism is not a religion. But by the same definition, Buddhism and Jainism are also not religions.

It’s not a religion by any definition. If you were to label it as such, you could say that being a Labour supporter is a religion for example.

If you say it is a belief system about creation, how would labour party be a religion?"

It’s not a belief system about creation. It’s anti-theism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Atheism for me is a belief in science and fact and a complete lack of belief in bronze age, intellectually embarrassing fairy stories.

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By *inky_CarpenterMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

For me its simply the lack of belief in a god or God's. It's not a religion, belief system or moral/ethical foundation.

If anyone is interested in learning more about Atheism, I'd suggest watching some episodes of "The Athiest Experience" or "Talk Heathen" on you tube.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"For me its simply the lack of belief in a god or God's. It's not a religion, belief system or moral/ethical foundation.

If anyone is interested in learning more about Atheism, I'd suggest watching some episodes of "The Athiest Experience" or "Talk Heathen" on you tube."

This

I would also recommend any debate involving Christopher Hitchens. He explains atheism so eloquently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am an athiest... I don't celebrate any of the religious festivals

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

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over a year ago

"Has anyone looked into Pascal's Wanger?

Is it on pornhub?

That’s why we lie to children about Santa Claus

Definitely going to read this over the weekend. I remember being barely turned 18 doing swearing in, me and couple other lads said we were atheists and therefor had to take different oath. After words, NCO took us to one side finger pointed at us and grumbled at us "I'm telling you now boys, there ain't no fucking atheists in a bastarding foxhole". (Exact words)

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over a year ago

"For me its simply the lack of belief in a god or God's. It's not a religion, belief system or moral/ethical foundation.

If anyone is interested in learning more about Atheism, I'd suggest watching some episodes of "The Athiest Experience" or "Talk Heathen" on you tube.

This

I would also recommend any debate involving Christopher Hitchens. He explains atheism so eloquently "

As a Christian, I do actually love listening to Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris also. I do see the problems with organised religion.

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over a year ago

"For me its simply the lack of belief in a god or God's. It's not a religion, belief system or moral/ethical foundation.

If anyone is interested in learning more about Atheism, I'd suggest watching some episodes of "The Athiest Experience" or "Talk Heathen" on you tube.

This

I would also recommend any debate involving Christopher Hitchens. He explains atheism so eloquently "

The late great Christopher Hitchens one of my favourite authors. There are loads of his debate videos on youtube which are worth a watch. I also read a lot of Richard Dawkins and enjoy him debating religion on youtube.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"For me its simply the lack of belief in a god or God's. It's not a religion, belief system or moral/ethical foundation.

If anyone is interested in learning more about Atheism, I'd suggest watching some episodes of "The Athiest Experience" or "Talk Heathen" on you tube.

This

I would also recommend any debate involving Christopher Hitchens. He explains atheism so eloquently "

Hitchens is fantastic.

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By *lairesurreyfunTV/TS
over a year ago

Weybridge

Tell them theres a sky fairy and they pray

Tell them the paint is wet and they have to touch it

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Tell them theres a sky fairy and they pray

Tell them the paint is wet and they have to touch it "

Shhh dont tell the secrets about human psychological malleablity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hitchems interview with paxman when he was terminal was onec of favourite interviews of him.

Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson tour some of best debate from both sides you could hear on whole subject.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"I am an athiest... I don't celebrate any of the religious festivals "

As an atheist, I have no problem with enjoying the trappings of easter or Christmas. I don't celebrate their religious connections but like the sentiment of Christmas and the chocolate of Easter.

Cal

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

And obviously Christmas and Easter are just festivals misappropriated from older cultures as a way of encouraging people into the "new religion". Christmas came from the Winter Solstice celebration and Easter from the Pagan Goddess Eoster and her associates spring festivities.

Cal

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I am an athiest... I don't celebrate any of the religious festivals

As an atheist, I have no problem with enjoying the trappings of easter or Christmas. I don't celebrate their religious connections but like the sentiment of Christmas and the chocolate of Easter.

Cal"

Anyway I dont think of xmas or Easter as religious festivals only seasonal bench marks understood and noted by humans in differing ways for millennia

In the west naively Christian's seem to think these seasonal points on the calendar were invented by their God myth

Love how they still adhere to the lunar cycle for their Easter timing lol

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over a year ago

Nope

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over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"And obviously Christmas and Easter are just festivals misappropriated from older cultures as a way of encouraging people into the "new religion". Christmas came from the Winter Solstice celebration and Easter from the Pagan Goddess Eoster and her associates spring festivities.

Cal"

Spring equinox was noted before then too

I'll suggest the xitans have been trying to steal " harvest festival " but never quite been able to fudge a jesus link

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Cal

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Spring equinox was noted before then too

I'll suggest the xitans have been trying to steal " harvest festival " but never quite been able to fudge a jesus link

Yes, these festivals seem to have been about forever. I do like how they Stole the name of Eoster to make Easter but there's no connection in the eyes of the churches

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over a year ago

No it isn't.

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over a year ago

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods. "

Err....Religion...noun;

'the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.'

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods.

Err....Religion...noun;

'the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.'"

That's the substantive definition.

A belief in science and rationality may fit into a functional definition.

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By *ensual mMan
over a year ago

conwy

Being an athieist im choosing not to hate anyone. Most religions despise the other ones to the point of violence. I only hate or dislike whoever does me wrong regardless of their colour or belief. Its not a belief its a choice.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods.

Err....Religion...noun;

'the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.'

That's the substantive definition.

A belief in science and rationality may fit into a functional definition."

Where do the worship and superhuman power come into believing science is a good way of understanding the universe?

Atheism does not have a specific position on science. It is a position on a single issue: not being convinced there is a god. It's perfectly possible to believe all sorts of crap as an atheist and not follow scientific explanations for anything. So I don't see any way atheism could be a religion.

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over a year ago

It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. "

Where are you seeing that being done?

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over a year ago

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously.

Where are you seeing that being done? "

All over the internet and when you talk to people who knows you believe in a religion. They usually automatically tried to argue with you

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over a year ago

Seeing as atheists don’t share a common view, no gods, no scripture, dogma, no special schools, nothing to worship, no clergy, no sacred buildings etc. They only share a disbelief in religion. Therefore, it cannot be classed as a religion. End of.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods.

Err....Religion...noun;

'the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.'

That's the substantive definition.

A belief in science and rationality may fit into a functional definition."

Can I be clear

I'm an atheist

That means

A without

Theism belief in any of the human invented God concepts

What that does not mean is you know what I may or may not believe in beyond that

Science exists I have no need for belief in that as a concept

Religion exists I have no need for belief in that

Right back to science which exists

I understand a rigorous set of rules that humans practicing science or investigating truth

should use

These rules are called scientific method

I understand how they can give us robust data

I understand where they cannot

I understand the data sometimes is statistical which can be ambiguous

I absolutely do not believe everything that is claimed to be scientific has adhered to the method

I absolutely do not believe everything a human scientist says it a fact

I do try very hard to understand the scientific methods used to give the data

I statistically trust the scientific community to be more meticulous and engage in greater self scrutiny thus statistically I think I can say the community as a whole gives us more robust data and knowledge than any other method

Notice no beliefs required

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously.

Where are you seeing that being done?

All over the internet and when you talk to people who knows you believe in a religion. They usually automatically tried to argue with you "

Are you saying that disagreeing with somebody and arguing a case is doing something "religiously"? I'm not sure I understand your point.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously.

Where are you seeing that being done?

All over the internet and when you talk to people who knows you believe in a religion. They usually automatically tried to argue with you

Are you saying that disagreeing with somebody and arguing a case is doing something "religiously"? I'm not sure I understand your point. "

His point is his continuing indoctrination has told him to think that

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Hang on of course atheism is a religion they believe in absolute truth and have a “faith” that God doesn’t exist, because they can’t possibly know for sure, unless they are omniscient. That settles it I think - atheists are religious fundamentalists , agnostics are on the fence. You can close the thread now.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Hang on of course atheism is a religion they believe in absolute truth and have a “faith” that God doesn’t exist, because they can’t possibly know for sure, unless they are omniscient. That settles it I think - atheists are religious fundamentalists , agnostics are on the fence. You can close the thread now."

Now take everything you said and reverse it. Atheism is literally the opposite

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I'm an atheist I most certainly do not believe in absolutely truth thanksx

I do vaguely understand quantum theory and chaos theory

Understanding just a little of either would illustrate why your accusation is not correct

I do not have faith God does not exist

Nor do I say I know it does not

Nor has someone written it does not and I think they do know and believe that

A number of vairied stories exist regarding a creator or creators

Non have enough substantiated data for me to decide truth or take a position of belief

Obviously you will agree that data does exist that gives us confidence to reject certain God myths ? I assume we could rule out Poseidon based upon evidence that contradicts the doctrine

I assume we can rule out the flying spaghetti monster too

I assume many rule out Rae our sun deity yet I can see the sun so I'm definitely agnostic on Rae

Any God concepts with a definition of benevolence I feel there is evidence to suggest suspicions and withhold a mindset of belief

Define me a creator with malevolent and sadistic I'm again very agnostic no evidence to suggest a creator exists but if one did sadism is evident thus cant rule it out with data and reason

Thanks for not understanding atheism or belief

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

They cant have the best of both worlds so to speak.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods.

Err....Religion...noun;

'the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.'

That's the substantive definition.

A belief in science and rationality may fit into a functional definition.

Where do the worship and superhuman power come into believing science is a good way of understanding the universe?

Read The Four Horsemen. The Discussion that Sparked an Atheist Revolution. Dawkins, Sennett, Harris and Hitchens.

Functional definition: I'm taking football, maybe being a Goth and similar practices.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

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"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. "

It is religion that is full of hubris; unjustified pride and claims to know all the answers with no proof. An atheist welcomes rational debate.

"Ever religious person makes the same criticism of other religions that we [atheists] do. They reject the pseudo-miracles and the pseudo-claims and certainties of others. They see the conference tricks in other people's faith" (Sam Harris).

How can there be so many one true gods?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

I think that the current crisis has shown that when the chips are down no one really believes in religion as much as they believe in science. Case in point, all the churches, mosques and synagogues are closed because the scientific advice is that they should. If the people who attend those places really believed in an all powerful God they would still be going along and praying to God to protect them. After all, according to their religions God is far more powerful than the most knowledgeable human.

They don't because, deep down, and apart from a few nutters, they know its bollocks.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I'm an atheist I most certainly do not believe in absolutely truth thanksx

I do vaguely understand quantum theory and chaos theory

Understanding just a little of either would illustrate why your accusation is not correct

I do not have faith God does not exist

Nor do I say I know it does not

Nor has someone written it does not and I think they do know and believe that

A number of vairied stories exist regarding a creator or creators

Non have enough substantiated data for me to decide truth or take a position of belief

Obviously you will agree that data does exist that gives us confidence to reject certain God myths ? I assume we could rule out Poseidon based upon evidence that contradicts the doctrine

I assume we can rule out the flying spaghetti monster too

I assume many rule out Rae our sun deity yet I can see the sun so I'm definitely agnostic on Rae

Any God concepts with a definition of benevolence I feel there is evidence to suggest suspicions and withhold a mindset of belief

Define me a creator with malevolent and sadistic I'm again very agnostic no evidence to suggest a creator exists but if one did sadism is evident thus cant rule it out with data and reason

Thanks for not understanding atheism or belief

So you are an agnostic after all

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously.

It is religion that is full of hubris; unjustified pride and claims to know all the answers with no proof. An atheist welcomes rational debate.

How can there be so many one true gods? "

Interesting point

Indeed

I could be in a room/ forum

There I have a Christian a hindu and a Muslim

It would be logical fact that the exact belief of at least 2 must be inaccurate (not true)

That would also defacto mean the belief at least two had would be misplaced

As an objective observer wanting to understand life and humanity is is most certainly not disrespectful to ask searching questions of the three ?

I'd suggest the three well and truly know this and thus the deflection with declarations of no respect

Asking searching questions and highlighting factual contradictions is not disrespectful

It cannot be

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I'm an atheist I most certainly do not believe in absolutely truth thanksx

I do vaguely understand quantum theory and chaos theory

Understanding just a little of either would illustrate why your accusation is not correct

I do not have faith God does not exist

Nor do I say I know it does not

Nor has someone written it does not and I think they do know and believe that

A number of vairied stories exist regarding a creator or creators

Non have enough substantiated data for me to decide truth or take a position of belief

Obviously you will agree that data does exist that gives us confidence to reject certain God myths ? I assume we could rule out Poseidon based upon evidence that contradicts the doctrine

I assume we can rule out the flying spaghetti monster too

I assume many rule out Rae our sun deity yet I can see the sun so I'm definitely agnostic on Rae

Any God concepts with a definition of benevolence I feel there is evidence to suggest suspicions and withhold a mindset of belief

Define me a creator with malevolent and sadistic I'm again very agnostic no evidence to suggest a creator exists but if one did sadism is evident thus cant rule it out with data and reason

Thanks for not understanding atheism or belief

So you are an agnostic after all

Of course I'm agnostic

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods. "

Religions and beliefs are not the same.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods.

Which is in itself a belief system, so a religion.

Not all religions have gods. That is a good point too

No it isn't

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I'm an atheist I most certainly do not believe in absolutely truth thanksx

I do vaguely understand quantum theory and chaos theory

Understanding just a little of either would illustrate why your accusation is not correct

I do not have faith God does not exist

Nor do I say I know it does not

Nor has someone written it does not and I think they do know and believe that

A number of vairied stories exist regarding a creator or creators

Non have enough substantiated data for me to decide truth or take a position of belief

Obviously you will agree that data does exist that gives us confidence to reject certain God myths ? I assume we could rule out Poseidon based upon evidence that contradicts the doctrine

I assume we can rule out the flying spaghetti monster too

I assume many rule out Rae our sun deity yet I can see the sun so I'm definitely agnostic on Rae

Any God concepts with a definition of benevolence I feel there is evidence to suggest suspicions and withhold a mindset of belief

Define me a creator with malevolent and sadistic I'm again very agnostic no evidence to suggest a creator exists but if one did sadism is evident thus cant rule it out with data and reason

Thanks for not understanding atheism or belief

So you are an agnostic after all

Of course I'm agnostic "

That does not mean I think the maths of plausibility are very high though

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"can be argued for or against that being an atheist is a religion, if you look at it surely it is a common belief and practice."

1. There's nothing to believe so it can't be a common belief.

2. Atheists don't practise anything.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Humanist. Is the Route.

I used to think that.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I think that the current crisis has shown that when the chips are down no one really believes in religion as much as they believe in science. Case in point, all the churches, mosques and synagogues are closed because the scientific advice is that they should. If the people who attend those places really believed in an all powerful God they would still be going along and praying to God to protect them. After all, according to their religions God is far more powerful than the most knowledgeable human.

They don't because, deep down, and apart from a few nutters, they know its bollocks. "

Interesting thought , however many believers do not denounce science and many scientists are believers.

Sometimes it's not necessary to choose.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

They don't because, deep down, and apart from a few nutters, they know its bollocks.

Interesting thought , however many believers do not denounce science and many scientists are believers.

Sometimes it's not necessary to choose."

My point is that very few religious believers actually really believe in the doctrines of their religion when things get serious. They don't believe that prayer will really have any effect for example , as shown by the fact that they tend to seek medical treatment when seriously ill as opposed to asking God to cure them, which according to their religion he could do instantaneously.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

They don't because, deep down, and apart from a few nutters, they know its bollocks.

Interesting thought , however many believers do not denounce science and many scientists are believers.

Sometimes it's not necessary to choose.

To be fair to those who believe I think they do their doctrines are so intricately designed that the creator is not responsible for harming or helping

Those that do the saving have been given the ability by the creator and so on so on

Logically the whole thing is messy but damn its contorted into a circular fudge that leaves human kind and its God given free will full culpability

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. "
Yes it is, the majority of them fo that, many of them are the least acceptant of others religions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not strictly religious.. More spiritual with pagan undertones.. Hubby is atheist.

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By *DreamOfGenieWoman
over a year ago

London

Misread the thread title as 'Is asthma a religion'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Misread the thread title as 'Is asthma a religion'

...... And. Breathe.....

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. Yes it is, the majority of them fo that, many of them are the least acceptant of others religions."

Say that to me again shag and explain yourself clearly

What are you saying about me ???

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. Yes it is, the majority of them fo that, many of them are the least acceptant of others religions.

Say that to me again shag and explain yourself clearly

What are you saying about me ??? "
No need just that atheists seems like they have to prove something even tho they dont believe in it.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. Yes it is, the majority of them fo that, many of them are the least acceptant of others religions."

But can you see why people might be hostile to religion? Given its past - and present for that matter

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I celebrate food, still call the holidays Christmas and Easter though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. "

Which view would this be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont think so as the festivities during the year is religion based, will they celebrate the easter like we do? "

The word Atheist should not even be a word. Are you labeled an atheist if you don't believe in Vulcan or Zeus? Nope, they are also Gods, so why not?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. Yes it is, the majority of them fo that, many of them are the least acceptant of others religions.

But can you see why people might be hostile to religion? Given its past - and present for that matter "
No, there is still no need to be hostile towards others cos of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brought up in a religious society back in the day, hymns and prayers everyday at school etc.

But as we grew older we felt less of a need to turn to a god.

We class ourselves as non believers rather than atheists, our opinion, but atheist just categorizes you into a certain group for religious purposes.

We do respect that others may feel the need to look to a god, and have many friends of many religions. Doesn't stop us being friends.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. Yes it is, the majority of them fo that, many of them are the least acceptant of others religions.

But can you see why people might be hostile to religion? Given its past - and present for that matter No, there is still no need to be hostile towards others cos of it."

There is never a need to be hostile ever

There is also absolutely no need to misunderstand an illustration of religious irony as hostility

A thread is started

It declares

Praise our saviour on an open public forum

To some that is inflamatory and down right offensive

It is NOT hostile for a person to counter a wild claim that a saviour exists

When a person tells us they believe in a saviour it has implied baggage part of that belief is an opinion upon all humans some of those implied opinions are offensive

A believer maybe comfortable with being classed a sinner

By default suggest you are celebrating Easter means you are directly telling all if us you think we are sinners

That's not nice thank you very much

And you are telling us you believe a creature that created nasty diseases is calling us sinners that too is offensive

Luckily I have zero belief in that creator

However starting conversations telling us implicity that you think(you believe) we are sinners especially while really bad stuff is happening is obviously going to necessitate a counter position as why your belief that we are sinners is perhaps misplaced

That is not hostility that's honest debate

The Christian belief doctrine has baggage when a person tells us they hold such a belief the very fact they believe the christ is our saviour is an implicit critique of others especially non believers

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"It is funny to watch atheists defend their view religiously. Yes it is, the majority of them fo that, many of them are the least acceptant of others religions.

But can you see why people might be hostile to religion? Given its past - and present for that matter No, there is still no need to be hostile towards others cos of it."

I said hostile towards religion, not to its followers. Do you see any reasons why people would be hostile to religion?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By *appytrailmanMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I try and avoid all religious celebrations, some you can't avoid really such as Easter and Christmas because of it being shoved in your face, I don't really celebrate any of these myself but will partake in them because some of my family do follow certain religions.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

" I assume many rule out Rae our sun deity yet I can see the sun so I'm definitely agnostic on Rae

Funnily enough, I far believe the concepts over the ancient god's than the modern ones.

Rae/ra (sun & creator of all) was worshipped along with Thoth (moon & god of knowledge), you need the sun for life, the moon has influence over water, another requirement of life, knowledge as Thoth seen it was not for humans because they could not conducive the full impact and effects of the knowledge (history shows truth to this). The later pharaoh's changed the meaning from being an interpreter of to being god. The Greeks have similar god's to these and so do the Vikings.

Ra = Apollo/Helios = odin

Thoth = Hermes

There's many other examples of "god's" name changes over the millenniums.

The modern religions are largely rules to live by (common sense of being a good person) & were originally laws, some tales have been recycled others others have changed because of translations & personal perspective of the writer.

Indigenous tribes largely worship the elements - earth, wind, fire, water & spirit - these can all be seen or felt, the sun, moon & knowledge of the time year, a sense of time and knowledge that everything is connected.

These all play parts here, all without the need to know the science behind it.

It's only recently (past 200-300 years) that we have somehow unlocked the knowledge to do extraordinary things...travel to space, see both the very small & the very large, medical advances are another....advantage to us yet to the detriment of so many other beings. Still the bigger picture of the affects of these things as omitted/ignored/cannot be conceived by most. Just look at Trump & Henry the 8th with calling everything "fake news", Air travel & it's pollution, the torture beings endure for medical gain.

So to conclude, I hope if the green tablets of Thoth exist that we never find them....we're bad enough.

I'll stick the the ancients/indigenous if any thanks.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"Im atheist no it’s not a religion it’s a total disbelief in god or gods. "

I agree.

It's like asking if non smoking is an addiction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are religions belief systems or are they dependent on belief in a God? There’s a few sociological approaches to these questions; I think my knowledge of atheism is too limited to answer definitively. But I think that it’s wrong to assume the answer lies in ‘it can’t be because I don’t believe in God/gods’ because new age/religious movements aren’t all centred around God/gods. That’s all I can add

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Are religions belief systems or are they dependent on belief in a God? There’s a few sociological approaches to these questions; I think my knowledge of atheism is too limited to answer definitively. But I think that it’s wrong to assume the answer lies in ‘it can’t be because I don’t believe in God/gods’ because new age/religious movements aren’t all centred around God/gods. That’s all I can add

Ok let's start simple what do you think theism is

My definition is

Theism is where a person feels what exists needed to be created by something that has sentience and an ability to create everything ie not just a natural nature thing and was not in itself either evolved or created ie not an alien

Theism for my definition is an original, sentient (thinking self aware entity) creator (stuff would not be without its conscious design)

If you feel that which I describe not a belief of yours and that would include God is an alien then you are

A without

Theism x

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

Diesm is a belief in a God or God's

Theism is a belief that this God or God's apparently communicate with humans inspiring them to write holy books, creating religion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having read up on athiesm specifically I would say it’s not a religion. But I would say that many that claim to be atheists are likely not atheists.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Having read up on athiesm specifically I would say it’s not a religion. But I would say that many that claim to be atheists are likely not atheists. "

I would technically class myself as an a-deist, I don't believe in any God. This naturally encompasses being an atheist as I as also wouldn't believe in a God that has ever communicated with humans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok let's start simple what do you think theism is

My definition is

Theism for my definition is an original, sentient (thinking self aware entity) creator (stuff would not be without its conscious design)

If you feel that which I describe not a belief of yours and that would include God is an alien then you are

A without

Theism x

I see this. But my argument is that not all religions or religious movements believe in dieties or God/gods. So the new age movement as cited which focus on spiritual and humanistic beliefs. Although I don’t think athiesm is a religion I think being an atheist wouldn’t stop you following said things which are *arguably* religions. I just think we have a view of religion that is too narrow and too focused on ‘traditional’ ones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having read up on athiesm specifically I would say it’s not a religion. But I would say that many that claim to be atheists are likely not atheists.

I would technically class myself as an a-deist, I don't believe in any God. This naturally encompasses being an atheist as I as also wouldn't believe in a God that has ever communicated with humans"
do you think you could follow religions (whether you call them that is contested) if there was no emphasis on a belief in God?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Interesting points everyone, there are other atheism threads too if you search for them if you want to continue about it

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Having read up on athiesm specifically I would say it’s not a religion. But I would say that many that claim to be atheists are likely not atheists. "

Honestly it really does not take long to read about atheism

Reading about the thoughts and ideas of certain atheists now that's different

An atheist is simple

A person without a belief in a theistic concept

An atheist may then personally wish to expand upon their personal conclusions but there is nothing "atheist doctrine" to follow

Some atheists expand and say they are agnostic

That is

The stories I have heard I have no belief of zero data to hold an honest position of belief

Yet I cannot know thus agnosticism is a reiteration that our without belief stand point is open to change with new data

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