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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The organisation I work for is a charity and have always paid sick pay to anyone who has worked there once they have passed their probation, a colleague of mine has been put on isolation for 12 weeks due to a heart condition and the manager has called her this morning to say the company has changed their policy as of today and now they will only pay two weeks sick pay and the rest SSP due to the fact some of the companies income is shop based and the shops are closed therefore they are losing money , but we are support workers and unless isolating still going to work . Does anyone know if they can actually do this ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah they can

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

Do you mean two weeks full pay, then ssp after that?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you mean two weeks full pay, then ssp after that? "

Yes

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yeah they can"

So even if you have a contract stating their original policy they can change it ?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I'm not sure but that's pretty rotten of them!

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"Do you mean two weeks full pay, then ssp after that?

Yes "

Yes they can. They're not even obliged to give you the two weeks full pay, it could be ssp from day one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm not sure but that's pretty rotten of them!"

I feel bad for her as she’s worked her arse off for them always goes above and beyond !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you mean two weeks full pay, then ssp after that?

Yes

Yes they can. They're not even obliged to give you the two weeks full pay, it could be ssp from day one. "

Oh I see , thank you x

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By *atex and KinkCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Unfortunately yes they can.

Employment law in the UKand scotland is rather untethered and open to abuse and change with no or very limited notice.

This is why alot of companies can open and close bases without to much issue.

Try the same thing in, say Germany. Not a chance!!

Its shit. But nothing you can do.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"Do you mean two weeks full pay, then ssp after that?

Yes

Yes they can. They're not even obliged to give you the two weeks full pay, it could be ssp from day one.

Oh I see , thank you x"

If you have different specific sick pay arrangements in your contract though, speak to your union if you have one.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Yeah they camas in most contracts full sick pay is discretionary. Who has put them on 12 weeks isolation ? If they are not signed off unfit for work by a doctor they should be paid in full and given work to do from home or furloughed at 80 %

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

No they can't.

If making changes to the employee hand book. The employee must be informed prior to the changes in most cases agreed with before any changes.

Employers cannot make changes on the spot like this.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I had a text from my surgery with a link if you'd been isolated and needed a sick note. Not sure that's of any help but worth a mention x

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

She has an argument if she as the letter saying extremely vulnerable and perhaps she could ask for csp and ssp after the 14 days or ten weeks ... apart from that then see if they will forlough her ... good luck

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

Afyer reading some of the replys.

Company SSP is not discrepancce.

Its in the contrace.

You can't give cssp to one employee and not the other

Yes you may need to provide a sick note but if the employer is asking for it which I think would be stupid to do so.

Make sure all correspondence are done via email only and ask if they require a sick not and why ahas this new rule been brought in place without giving any prior notice?

Try acas

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

If I can ask what is she entitled to with a company sick pay policy?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If I can ask what is she entitled to with a company sick pay policy? "

She has a letter to say she is at high risk and must isolate for 12 weeks which is good , she’s just trying to find her contract to find out the exact wording. It’s not the money that bothers her as such it’s just the way they’ve suddenly done it especially to such a hard working much loved member of staff , I know there’s many people much worse off mind x

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

"If I can ask what is she entitled to with a company sick pay policy?

Some company’s will use its unprecedented times ... in my eyes if there is a sick scheme in place then the company should use it ...

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"If I can ask what is she entitled to with a company sick pay policy?

The problem is the company is try to save money. But this is not the correct way.

It will help her case if she can find the contact. But generally Cssp is 3 months full pay the. 3 months half pay

No contract allows for changes to be made on the spot. If she was informed after she told her employers if her 12weeks isolation then she is in the right.

Acas check this website out.

They have a lot of info here to help you. You can also contact them and no need to pay.

Any changes made to the employee hand book must be done weeks prior and agreed with all employees

Her employers are being c**ts

If the media find out they will soon change their minds.

They are trying their luck.

It makes no difference if they are open, closed, not making money if they are in business they have to follow the governments guidelines to corona

It semaes they don't wish to apply for the 80‰ and will try to get her to leave which is also wrong.

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

Based on the statements made by the government they should if they can furlough people in that situation. Speak to your friend and see if that's an option. The biggest problem especially for a charity is cash flow. And by doing this it reduces the impact on their cash flow when the money coming in is probably very low whilst the lockdown is on.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If I can ask what is she entitled to with a company sick pay policy?

The problem is the company is try to save money. But this is not the correct way.

It will help her case if she can find the contact. But generally Cssp is 3 months full pay the. 3 months half pay

No contract allows for changes to be made on the spot. If she was informed after she told her employers if her 12weeks isolation then she is in the right.

Acas check this website out.

They have a lot of info here to help you. You can also contact them and no need to pay.

Any changes made to the employee hand book must be done weeks prior and agreed with all employees

Her employers are being c**ts

If the media find out they will soon change their minds.

They are trying their luck.

It makes no difference if they are open, closed, not making money if they are in business they have to follow the governments guidelines to corona

It semaes they don't wish to apply for the 80‰ and will try to get her to leave which is also wrong.

Thank you so much for your help , I will pass this on now , she’s with a union so is going to call them as well . It’s just so annoying that as support workers getting min wage we are the ones risking our own health while all the bosses are getting paid a tonne more than us are sitting at home relatively safe and sound and I’m not saying it’s easy for anyone working from home as I’m sure it can be stressful but making decisions like this is not fair !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Based on the statements made by the government they should if they can furlough people in that situation. Speak to your friend and see if that's an option. The biggest problem especially for a charity is cash flow. And by doing this it reduces the impact on their cash flow when the money coming in is probably very low whilst the lockdown is on."

I do understand that but it’s just tough for us when the bosses making these decisions who get paid a butt tonne more than us anyway are able to work from home , but I guess this is the case many times over at the moment x

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"If I

That's quite alright.

Union should help but if they are giving negative advice forget them.

But take a loom at acas website.

Note don't be fooled that because the company is not making money that they don't need to pay her. They do.

You are an employee you did your end of the contrace now it's their turn. Making such changes in theirs times is not just stupid but wrong they can't do that.

Let me know what the union said?

Happy to help more if need be feel free to PM if need be.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If I

That's quite alright.

Union should help but if they are giving negative advice forget them.

But take a loom at acas website.

Note don't be fooled that because the company is not making money that they don't need to pay her. They do.

You are an employee you did your end of the contrace now it's their turn. Making such changes in theirs times is not just stupid but wrong they can't do that.

Let me know what the union said?

Happy to help more if need be feel free to PM if need be. "

Will do , I did actually try but can’t get to your profile

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

Will do , I did actually try but can’t get to your profile

Think it might be your settings

As I did try to meesage you but I can't get to your profile either.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

Will do , I did actually try but can’t get to your profile

I just tried to message you but it looks like you blocked me. Don't know if it me you blocked it single men?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Will do , I did actually try but can’t get to your profile

I just tried to message you but it looks like you blocked me. Don't know if it me you blocked it single men?"

Just looked through our block list and you’re it on it ! X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Try now x

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"Try now x"

O dear. Don't know why?

Tried it and yeah still blocked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would have thought most big organisations would have a process to follow when amending policy and that a union would usually be involved in this

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"I would have thought most big organisations would have a process to follow when amending policy and that a union would usually be involved in this"

Very true. If not the union then the staff.

But this employer is trying to pull a fast one.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"Try now x"

Good luck to your friend. Hope she gets full CSSP

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Try now x

Good luck to your friend. Hope she gets full CSSP"

Thank you , I’ve messaged admin as you’re definitely not on our block list x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would have thought most big organisations would have a process to follow when amending policy and that a union would usually be involved in this"

They’ve sent an email to us all this afternoon telling us that they have changed their sickness policy!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

A lot of us can use this virus period as a good time to assess who to work or engage with.

It's sickening what they have done op, especially where she was led to believe that something different would be paid. A decent organisation wouldn't backdate bad changes against their staffs' interests, unless they were, for example, on the brink of bankruptcy. They'd stand the cost themselves and give notice for the future.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"I would have thought most big organisations would have a process to follow when amending policy and that a union would usually be involved in this

They’ve sent an email to us all this afternoon telling us that they have changed their sickness policy! "

Ok so how much notice did they give you?

And you need to raise that you don't agree with the policy as this has been implemented during a crisist which effects us all, Without giving any notice. Which is unlawful. And very unprofessional.

They may say that if you see taking a wage then you agree. That's bull that's not how employment works.

Need to get a hold of your union but you should make a point that you don't agree with this

I don't know why they are doing this. It's stupid.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"A lot of us can use this virus period as a good time to assess who to work or engage with.

Agreed, maybe they are making it difficult for her, come on your on 12 isolation and then told you won't get cssp? If that don't get you stressed. That you tell them to F off. Might be trying to get staff to just leave.

Can't take away something without good cause and without giving notice

Can't make up new rules just cos you feel like it.

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

If they really take the piss go to the media.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

On their email it says the company has always reserved the right to amend or withdraw sick pay without notice in the even of a mass absenteeism due to a widespread illness suck as a flu epidemic! And it’s with immediate effect !

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"On their email it says the company has always reserved the right to amend or withdraw sick pay without notice in the even of a mass absenteeism due to a widespread illness suck as a flu epidemic! And it’s with immediate effect !"

Do you have the original copy of the CSSP policy? If its not in there then no it don't count.

They will tell you that's its in their policy. Unless you check.

It's funny how it's in there policy about an epidemic when we are going through an epidemic.???

No one puts that into a policy. Come on

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

You can't amend, withdraw any policy without giving prior notice to staff. You just can't do it. Doesn't matter what they say.

Also be care full if they try to get you to sigh or accept a new contrace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They could at least offer you the chance for furlough, that way you get 80% wages and it costs the company nothing.

Also do check your employment contract, a worker who has been there longer would be a better test case though. It may be the have to give at least your contractual notice period before the change.

Also is there any trade union like UNITE or GMB?

Finally, might be worth you phoning ACAS for advice as well.

Citizens advice might be able to help with benefits advice.

Good luck OP.

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By *mcouple2Couple
over a year ago

Warrington

If self isolating you can be furloughed on 80%. Same if you cant work because of kids. Have a look at money saving expert site. Martin Lewis asked the exact question to the chancellor and he said yes you can be furloughed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I should ad, as you have been there less than 2 years you are in a vulnerable position as well as you don't have protection from unfair dismissal.

Am in tomorrow if you to message me I can run through as much as possible on the phone if thats helpful

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"They could at least offer you the chance for furlough, that way you get 80% wages and it costs the company nothing.

Also do check your employment contract, a worker who has been there longer would be a better test case though. It may be the have to give at least your contractual notice period before the change.

Also is there any trade union like UNITE or GMB?

Finally, might be worth you phoning ACAS for advice as well.

Citizens advice might be able to help with benefits advice.

Good luck OP."

Do NOT talk to or join gmb they are useless. And will likely sell you out. 2 years or not they are changing their policy on sick pay.

I'm sure there will be other employees who have been their longer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I should ad, as you have been there less than 2 years you are in a vulnerable position as well as you don't have protection from unfair dismissal.

Am in tomorrow if you to message me I can run through as much as possible on the phone if thats helpful"

Thank you x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If self isolating you can be furloughed on 80%. Same if you cant work because of kids. Have a look at money saving expert site. Martin Lewis asked the exact question to the chancellor and he said yes you can be furloughed. "

Thank you, will check his website x

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By *ovestrapMan
over a year ago

London

"They could at least offer you the chance for furlough, that way you get 80% wages and it costs the company nothing.

Good point here. But it's the company that has to apply for the 80% and not the employee.

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