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"If I remember right, theres a stat that says there are approx 4 million planets circling stars that we know of that potentially have the right conditions for life to evolve. That's an awful lot of chance that we aren't alone " probably are but how likely is life and more importantly complex life, not just astronomy numbers Rob | |||
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"If I remember right, theres a stat that says there are approx 4 million planets circling stars that we know of that potentially have the right conditions for life to evolve. That's an awful lot of chance that we aren't alone probably are but how likely is life and more importantly complex life, not just astronomy numbers Rob" Yeah in fairness I think it's probably infinitesimal but you never know. To go back to the point you made though, we really should take care of ourselves  | |||
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"If I remember right, theres a stat that says there are approx 4 million planets circling stars that we know of that potentially have the right conditions for life to evolve. That's an awful lot of chance that we aren't alone probably are but how likely is life and more importantly complex life, not just astronomy numbers Rob Yeah in fairness I think it's probably infinitesimal but you never know. To go back to the point you made though, we really should take care of ourselves "I read a paper published by an Economist of all people, life started on Earth maybe two million years after it was geologically stable, complex life 1.8 billion years later. That ain't evolution, seems to have been a one off event. Rob | |||
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"If I remember right, theres a stat that says there are approx 4 million planets circling stars that we know of that potentially have the right conditions for life to evolve. That's an awful lot of chance that we aren't alone probably are but how likely is life and more importantly complex life, not just astronomy numbers Rob Yeah in fairness I think it's probably infinitesimal but you never know. To go back to the point you made though, we really should take care of ourselves I read a paper published by an Economist of all people, life started on Earth maybe two million years after it was geologically stable, complex life 1.8 billion years later. That ain't evolution, seems to have been a one off event.
Rob"I just did a bit of googling and that "event" might just coincide with the earth growing and begging to ecrete icy planetesimals which turned to water which is essential for complex life on this planet. | |||
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"There is life everywhere in the universe. Check out the Fermi paradox "The Fermi paradox is "where are they all" Must correct myself evidence is life started 200 million years after the earth was stable. But still 1.8 billion years before multi cellular life. If they are out there there would be evidence, wish I could remember the quote but something like after discovering that there was intelligent life in the universe, the next most remarkable discovery would be that there is not | |||
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"There is life everywhere in the universe. Check out the Fermi paradox
The Fermi paradox is "where are they all" Must correct myself evidence is life started 200 million years after the earth was stable. But still 1.8 billion years before multi cellular life.
If they are out there there would be evidence, wish I could remember the quote but something like after discovering that there was intelligent life in the universe, the next most remarkable discovery would be that there is not"I know what it is. They're probably witnessed ww2 and thought leave them alone | |||
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"There out there or have been out there we haven’t even scratched the surface yet in our search" No, if they were anything like us they would have sent self replicating probes to every corner of the universe, they wouldn't need to much advanced on us to do that. There is no evidence. I'm not remotely religious but what if we are alone in the entire universe, makes you think doesn't it. | |||
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"In the entire visible universe, so we need to take care of ourselves. Rob" Including us if the fora is anything to go by  | |||
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"No matter which "origin" camp you are in I think it's presumptuous to believe we are unique in the entire universe." But worth questioning no, the astronomers just number extrapolate, others less so. It's a big universe but life could be extremely rare, complex life more so, intelligent life maybe unique | |||
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"There out there or have been out there we haven’t even scratched the surface yet in our search No, if they were anything like us they would have sent self replicating probes to every corner of the universe, they wouldn't need to much advanced on us to do that. There is no evidence. I'm not remotely religious but what if we are alone in the entire universe, makes you think doesn't it." Why would they be like us and if they have sent little probes out would we spot them? And if the probes turned up a billion years ago they wouldn’t have found any intelligent life would they or if they turn up today it’s gonna take possibly thousands of years for them to report back | |||
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"There out there or have been out there we haven’t even scratched the surface yet in our search No, if they were anything like us they would have sent self replicating probes to every corner of the universe, they wouldn't need to much advanced on us to do that. There is no evidence. I'm not remotely religious but what if we are alone in the entire universe, makes you think doesn't it. Why would they be like us and if they have sent little probes out would we spot them? And if the probes turned up a billion years ago they wouldn’t have found any intelligent life would they or if they turn up today it’s gonna take possibly thousands of years for them to report back " Why wouldn't they be like us, and self replicating probes would be quicker than you think, would still take many years I grant you, thing is either intelligent life is not rare and they either self distruct or revert back to a more primative society due to resource issues or they just don't exist. If they don't exist how special are we? | |||
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"There out there or have been out there we haven’t even scratched the surface yet in our search No, if they were anything like us they would have sent self replicating probes to every corner of the universe, they wouldn't need to much advanced on us to do that. There is no evidence. I'm not remotely religious but what if we are alone in the entire universe, makes you think doesn't it. Why would they be like us and if they have sent little probes out would we spot them? And if the probes turned up a billion years ago they wouldn’t have found any intelligent life would they or if they turn up today it’s gonna take possibly thousands of years for them to report back Why wouldn't they be like us, and self replicating probes would be quicker than you think, would still take many years I grant you, thing is either intelligent life is not rare and they either self distruct or revert back to a more primative society due to resource issues or they just don't exist. If they don't exist how special are we?" We would be a miracle | |||
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"There out there or have been out there we haven’t even scratched the surface yet in our search No, if they were anything like us they would have sent self replicating probes to every corner of the universe, they wouldn't need to much advanced on us to do that. There is no evidence. I'm not remotely religious but what if we are alone in the entire universe, makes you think doesn't it. Why would they be like us and if they have sent little probes out would we spot them? And if the probes turned up a billion years ago they wouldn’t have found any intelligent life would they or if they turn up today it’s gonna take possibly thousands of years for them to report back Why wouldn't they be like us, and self replicating probes would be quicker than you think, would still take many years I grant you, thing is either intelligent life is not rare and they either self distruct or revert back to a more primative society due to resource issues or they just don't exist. If they don't exist how special are we? We would be a miracle " Kind of my point in a way, if we discovered intelligent life we would be in awe, there's likely no way to prove there isn't but if it was....Be about the same right, would it make you reassess, as I said I'm not religious but it gave me cause to think. Rob | |||
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"How intelligent are really? As a people as a planet. When you see dumb asses out partying during a lockdown? But it silly to think we are the only ones out here in the univers. The universe is huge. I mean it's huge. Impossible that we are the only ones in it Though we had gone past the point of thinking earth was the centre of the universe. " Number extrapolation, Universe is huge so we can't be alone? So we know a lot about DNA, any scientists know how life began yet, or how complex cells evolved? | |||
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"There out there or have been out there we haven’t even scratched the surface yet in our search No, if they were anything like us they would have sent self replicating probes to every corner of the universe, they wouldn't need to much advanced on us to do that. There is no evidence. I'm not remotely religious but what if we are alone in the entire universe, makes you think doesn't it. Why would they be like us and if they have sent little probes out would we spot them? And if the probes turned up a billion years ago they wouldn’t have found any intelligent life would they or if they turn up today it’s gonna take possibly thousands of years for them to report back Why wouldn't they be like us, and self replicating probes would be quicker than you think, would still take many years I grant you, thing is either intelligent life is not rare and they either self distruct or revert back to a more primative society due to resource issues or they just don't exist. If they don't exist how special are we? We would be a miracle Kind of my point in a way, if we discovered intelligent life we would be in awe, there's likely no way to prove there isn't but if it was....Be about the same right, would it make you reassess, as I said I'm not religious but it gave me cause to think. Rob" We could in fact be the starting point for intelligent life in the universe if we last that long and spread across the cosmos and creating sub species of ourselves evolving into whatever other environments dictate | |||
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"I really doubt we live on the only planet with intelligent life living on it. However you define intelligent life? We are like a spec of dust suspended in a vast cosmic arena and we are probably to far away from any other populated planets for us to ever know. I once read that there are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on all the beaches in the world. Just imagine how planets are around them! " 1.8 billion years between single cell life and multicellular life on Earth, that's what about an eighth of the entire time the universe has existed, why are you so sure? | |||
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"I really doubt we live on the only planet with intelligent life living on it. However you define intelligent life? We are like a spec of dust suspended in a vast cosmic arena and we are probably to far away from any other populated planets for us to ever know. I once read that there are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on all the beaches in the world. Just imagine how planets are around them! 1.8 billion years between single cell life and multicellular life on Earth, that's what about an eighth of the entire time the universe has existed, why are you so sure?" If it's happened here then why not somewhere else. | |||
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"I would say that there's a very good chance that there is intelligent life in the visible universe. It's huge and what we see happened millennia ago, it's not what is happening there now. I would say it's rather arrogant, to suggest that we are the only "intelligent" life in the visible universe. " I'd agree We also need to remember we can only see the past Thus we even with a perfect view could have zero idea what or may not now lie on any planet 2 billion light years away or further Obviously we dont and cant know on closer still however given we could have seen a form.of life on earth (theoretic perfect vision detection) 1.8 billion that's why I pick 2 billion The maths actually suggests life to equal humans is nigh on inevitable | |||
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"There out there or have been out there we haven’t even scratched the surface yet in our search No, if they were anything like us they would have sent self replicating probes to every corner of the universe, they wouldn't need to much advanced on us to do that. There is no evidence. I'm not remotely religious but what if we are alone in the entire universe, makes you think doesn't it. Why would they be like us and if they have sent little probes out would we spot them? And if the probes turned up a billion years ago they wouldn’t have found any intelligent life would they or if they turn up today it’s gonna take possibly thousands of years for them to report back Why wouldn't they be like us, and self replicating probes would be quicker than you think, would still take many years I grant you, thing is either intelligent life is not rare and they either self distruct or revert back to a more primative society due to resource issues or they just don't exist. If they don't exist how special are we? We would be a miracle Kind of my point in a way, if we discovered intelligent life we would be in awe, there's likely no way to prove there isn't but if it was....Be about the same right, would it make you reassess, as I said I'm not religious but it gave me cause to think. Rob We could in fact be the starting point for intelligent life in the universe if we last that long and spread across the cosmos and creating sub species of ourselves evolving into whatever other environments dictate " We would indeed, I think Asimov often wrote about that, just really throwing the thought out there, it's a big universe but maybe life is very rare, possibly even unique. Would it change anything if we knew that. | |||
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"There out there or have been out there we haven’t even scratched the surface yet in our search No, if they were anything like us they would have sent self replicating probes to every corner of the universe, they wouldn't need to much advanced on us to do that. There is no evidence. I'm not remotely religious but what if we are alone in the entire universe, makes you think doesn't it. Why would they be like us and if they have sent little probes out would we spot them? And if the probes turned up a billion years ago they wouldn’t have found any intelligent life would they or if they turn up today it’s gonna take possibly thousands of years for them to report back Why wouldn't they be like us, and self replicating probes would be quicker than you think, would still take many years I grant you, thing is either intelligent life is not rare and they either self distruct or revert back to a more primative society due to resource issues or they just don't exist. If they don't exist how special are we? We would be a miracle Kind of my point in a way, if we discovered intelligent life we would be in awe, there's likely no way to prove there isn't but if it was....Be about the same right, would it make you reassess, as I said I'm not religious but it gave me cause to think. Rob We could in fact be the starting point for intelligent life in the universe if we last that long and spread across the cosmos and creating sub species of ourselves evolving into whatever other environments dictate We would indeed, I think Asimov often wrote about that, just really throwing the thought out there, it's a big universe but maybe life is very rare, possibly even unique. Would it change anything if we knew that." For me it would change nothing | |||
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"There out there or have been out there we haven’t even scratched the surface yet in our search No, if they were anything like us they would have sent self replicating probes to every corner of the universe, they wouldn't need to much advanced on us to do that. There is no evidence. I'm not remotely religious but what if we are alone in the entire universe, makes you think doesn't it. Why would they be like us and if they have sent little probes out would we spot them? And if the probes turned up a billion years ago they wouldn’t have found any intelligent life would they or if they turn up today it’s gonna take possibly thousands of years for them to report back Why wouldn't they be like us, and self replicating probes would be quicker than you think, would still take many years I grant you, thing is either intelligent life is not rare and they either self distruct or revert back to a more primative society due to resource issues or they just don't exist. If they don't exist how special are we? We would be a miracle Kind of my point in a way, if we discovered intelligent life we would be in awe, there's likely no way to prove there isn't but if it was....Be about the same right, would it make you reassess, as I said I'm not religious but it gave me cause to think. Rob We could in fact be the starting point for intelligent life in the universe if we last that long and spread across the cosmos and creating sub species of ourselves evolving into whatever other environments dictate We would indeed, I think Asimov often wrote about that, just really throwing the thought out there, it's a big universe but maybe life is very rare, possibly even unique. Would it change anything if we knew that. For me it would change nothing " I agree | |||
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"Again number extrapolation, so many galaxies,so many stars, so many planets but no accurate numbers on life forming or complex life, just guesswork" Yep it’s all we have | |||
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"Again you are missing the point, number extrapolation, you have no numbers on how likely life is or multicellular life, if the odds of that are less it doesn't matter how big the universe is" Mate what’s your point? | |||
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"Again you are missing the point, number extrapolation, you have no numbers on how likely life is or multicellular life, if the odds of that are less it doesn't matter how big the universe is Mate what’s your point?" It's not a numbers game, 1.8. Billion years before even a sponge existed another 500 million years before the first time upright ape, even Brian Cox is questioning the assumptions now. Point is maybe we are alone | |||
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"Again you are missing the point, number extrapolation, you have no numbers on how likely life is or multicellular life, if the odds of that are less it doesn't matter how big the universe is Mate what’s your point? It's not a numbers game, 1.8. Billion years before even a sponge existed another 500 million years before the first time upright ape, even Brian Cox is questioning the assumptions now. Point is maybe we are alone" It's happend here on earth. Why can't it happen somewhere else. | |||
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"To get an idea of how big space is or how many galaxies there are look up the Hubble ultra deep field image. About 10,000 galaxies in area of night sky 1mm square. I believe there is life out there, level of intelligence we may never know given the vast distances. Voyage 1 launched in 1977 still hasn't travelled 1 light day." Exactly | |||
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"I would say that there's a very good chance that there is intelligent life in the visible universe. It's huge and what we see happened millennia ago, it's not what is happening there now. I would say it's rather arrogant, to suggest that we are the only "intelligent" life in the visible universe. " Yup | |||
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"Intelligence is dangerous, Ive watched the newer alien films. Some lovely planets with trees and waterfalls and some gentle unintelligent wildlife will do for me. " Can I come please...intelligence often leads to a desire for more and that leads to more until we have what we have now..best part of my life..living in my woods with nature.  | |||
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