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"I will emphasis that I am not attacking anyone or putting anyone down but, from reading comments on other posts, there seems to be a bit of “sour grapes” by a very few people over some site members offering courses to men and educating them on the ways and means of potentially meeting women here on FAB.I am not being one of these so called “white knights” but, personally, I think the members offering help in whatever form they give it should be applauded and praised. Any help offered by experienced swingers on a swingers site should be great fully received by those who are struggling to even interact with females via the most basic of communication i.e messaging/PM. So, with the greatest of respect, leave the “sour grapes” out of it and a big thanks to those members who are willing to offer their time and knowledge into helping others.... Here Endeth the lesson.......
"You stole my thunder op. I was just about to suggest a dummy spitting course but not sure it would be well received. Totally agree with what you have said btw. | |||
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"I will emphasis that I am not attacking anyone or putting anyone down but, from reading comments on other posts, there seems to be a bit of “sour grapes” by a very few people over some site members offering courses to men and educating them on the ways and means of potentially meeting women here on FAB.I am not being one of these so called “white knights” but, personally, I think the members offering help in whatever form they give it should be applauded and praised. Any help offered by experienced swingers on a swingers site should be great fully received by those who are struggling to even interact with females via the most basic of communication i.e messaging/PM. So, with the greatest of respect, leave the “sour grapes” out of it and a big thanks to those members who are willing to offer their time and knowledge into helping others.... Here Endeth the lesson.......
You stole my thunder op.
I was just about to suggest a dummy spitting course but not sure it would be well received.
Totally agree with what you have said btw."I apologise for stealing your thunder, that was not my intention in writing this post. I just think it is highly noticeable that some people are trying to put these site members, who older offering help down, and that is not simply not right and should be highlighted. | |||
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"The way the advice is offered is pretty close to pay for play. Don’t know the intent, it’s the internet, but comes across as sleazy and explosive. Even lonely single men have feelings. " Maybe I'm missing something but I didn't get any hint from the original post of what you are suggesting. It's not something I would be interested in and I know nothing about the op and her partner but it certainly isn't going to make things any more difficult for single men. | |||
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"The way the advice is offered is pretty close to pay for play. Don’t know the intent, it’s the internet, but comes across as sleazy and explosive. Even lonely single men have feelings. " From what I have read any money discussed was to pay for room hire and light refreshments? Surely that is not too much to ask for considering there is experienced advice and help on offer? | |||
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"The way the advice is offered is pretty close to pay for play. Don’t know the intent, it’s the internet, but comes across as sleazy and explosive. Even lonely single men have feelings. " The way it was offered is they have to find a venue for the social and the venue ain't gonna be free so there has to be a charge. | |||
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"The way the advice is offered is pretty close to pay for play. Don’t know the intent, it’s the internet, but comes across as sleazy and explosive. Even lonely single men have feelings. The way it was offered is they have to find a venue for the social and the venue ain't gonna be free so there has to be a charge. " Exactly this. | |||
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"The way the advice is offered is pretty close to pay for play. Don’t know the intent, it’s the internet, but comes across as sleazy and explosive. Even lonely single men have feelings. " I think you got the wrong impression of I'm honest. What I understood is money is to cover the cost of hiring somewhere to hold it not to make a profit or anything and it's just a chat from what I could see and some unveried people could get the veris they seem to be looking for as well. I don't know why people got so snotty over it to be honest. If you want to go then go if you don't then ignore the thread and move on. The same as every other thread on here. | |||
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"The way the advice is offered is pretty close to pay for play. Don’t know the intent, it’s the internet, but comes across as sleazy and explosive. Even lonely single men have feelings. " Single men DO have feelings and this is what I've been preaching for over a year now on forums. I've said time and time again that single men aren't some kind of animals who you should avoid at all costs, cross the road if you God forbid bump into them in your every day life, who people should ignore and delete, who you can't even invite into your own home just because they're on fab. Pay for play? I've yet to see a single organized play party which is free for anyone attending. Venues and organization cost money. Marie Teresa haven't done a single thing out of her own pocket and was considered saint anyway. I'm not Marie Teresa, I'm far from a saint and will never claim to be one, but if I can genuinely help someone, even if it's as little as 2-3 people in the end. I will do it as anyone can complain about slim pickings, no shows and time wasters, but people, who actually suffer from it are the women and couples, who constantly get let down last minute by someone getting cold feet and the guys, genuine guys, who have the interest and do want to explore and see the world from different perspective, but end up being ignored and unnoticed every step of the way, their self esteem eventually crumbling into nothing till they give up hope and delete their profile. It takes a lot of courage for a person to admit that they may need help and accept it when it's offered. There's no shame in being okay to step out of a comfort zone and learn something new. | |||
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"The way the advice is offered is pretty close to pay for play. Don’t know the intent, it’s the internet, but comes across as sleazy and explosive. Even lonely single men have feelings. Single men DO have feelings and this is what I've been preaching for over a year now on forums. I've said time and time again that single men aren't some kind of animals who you should avoid at all costs, cross the road if you God forbid bump into them in your every day life, who people should ignore and delete, who you can't even invite into your own home just because they're on fab. Pay for play? I've yet to see a single organized play party which is free for anyone attending. Venues and organization cost money. Marie Teresa haven't done a single thing out of her own pocket and was considered saint anyway. I'm not Marie Teresa, I'm far from a saint and will never claim to be one, but if I can genuinely help someone, even if it's as little as 2-3 people in the end. I will do it as anyone can complain about slim pickings, no shows and time wasters, but people, who actually suffer from it are the women and couples, who constantly get let down last minute by someone getting cold feet and the guys, genuine guys, who have the interest and do want to explore and see the world from different perspective, but end up being ignored and unnoticed every step of the way, their self esteem eventually crumbling into nothing till they give up hope and delete their profile. It takes a lot of courage for a person to admit that they may need help and accept it when it's offered. There's no shame in being okay to step out of a comfort zone and learn something new. " Just in case I'm accused of white knighting, you are young enough to be my daughter so I have no interest in meeting you but as you have been on fab for quite a while and have a good understanding of the do's and don'ts then why shouldn't you pass on that experience to others if you are willing? If some people refuse to listen or take advice and prefer to start yet another"what am I doing wrong?" thread on here that's their problem. I am content with my fab interaction so I won't be attending but I wish you well in your endeavour. | |||
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"There are bitter angry people who are never happy, best ignored really to wallow in their bile" Welcome to the Internet, allowing assholes to be assholes since 1996 | |||
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"I think Missus has balls. And what she's offering is badly needed, not just among the swinging community, but to many young men who haven't a clue how to attract, seduce, charm, and form relationships, whether for one day or longer. It can only do good. Good on ye Missus and yer man. " It actually reminds me a little of the 'pick up' community back in day, I did a bit of coaching for RSD. Some of the courses were very good and some very bad.. At the end of the day, it all comes down to the quality of the course | |||
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 ) so entry points should be taken as they are. I think the thing is what people believe her intentions are but I don't get a bad vibe from it personally | |||
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"I think Missus has balls. And what she's offering is badly needed, not just among the swinging community, but to many young men who haven't a clue how to attract, seduce, charm, and form relationships, whether for one day or longer. It can only do good. Good on ye Missus and yer man. It actually reminds me a little of the 'pick up' community back in day, I did a bit of coaching for RSD. Some of the courses were very good and some very bad.. At the end of the day, it all comes down to the quality of the course" In my eyes a course is a way to train people to do a set task. I don't have a one works for all formula and would never tell anyone that I can teach them how to get laid on a site. That's just a ridiculous. Our point of view is - swinging being borderline taboo in this country a lot of people, especially newbies see it as some dodgy site full of creeps, that are gagging to fuck everything that moves. They read explicit veris, see all nude photos and just assume all they need is a photo of their cock and the offers will just start flooding in. What we want to do is to educate them on psychology that drives couples and women to join sites like these. That women who are here - they're not easy or desperate, they're just confident in their own sexuality and skin, that what most of them are looking for is to explore that sexual side with people who treat them right and are grounded enough to be okay with experimenting or now and then simply have a good night out together without having to pretend to be dating. That couples who are here aren't here because their sex lives are bad or boring or common assumption that male half of a couple has a small penis. Couples who are here are normal, settled couples, who have their own fantasies, kinks and turn ons. That all couples have their own rules for good reasons and what they may be. That there's no shame and it's not boring to meet a fellow fabber in public for a social and why. That going to parties isn't all about pretending to be a pornstar and as much as everyone keeps repeating that men can't just come and fuck any woman at a party - nobody ever tells them that nobody will ever put any pressure on them to perform anything they don't feel comfortable with. There are men, men, who genuinely want to learn more and are in need of encouragement to break out of their shells. Imagine jumping on a trampoline and hitting your head every single time on something hard, you can't figure out what you keep hitting and what keeps stopping you from jumping higher and other people are standing around watching you fail without letting you know about a glass ceiling that's right above you. | |||
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