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By *verage Joe Black OP   Man
over a year ago

Border Area

Exist. God that is.

Now, normally i steer clear of any forum threads that talk about religion, Brexit, politics or socio-religious matters like abortion.

But my reason for this post is to test the correlation between (lack of) faith and this lifestyle.

So please, please, please, if you are tempted to post, resist the urge to lay into the church, Sunday school, priests, Christian Brothers or abuse, etc... this is strictly about whether you believe in the big man or not and not about the administration or religion on Earth.

Its also not a thread to have a pop at those who believe but live this lifestyle, so again, please refrain if you feel tempted to... Thank You..!

It would be interesting to see how many believe.

For my part, i certainly do..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Exist. God that is.

Now, normally i steer clear of any forum threads that talk about religion, Brexit, politics or socio-religious matters like abortion.

But my reason for this post is to test the correlation between (lack of) faith and this lifestyle.

So please, please, please, if you are tempted to post, resist the urge to lay into the church, Sunday school, priests, Christian Brothers or abuse, etc... this is strictly about whether you believe in the big man or not and not about the administration or religion on Earth.

Its also not a thread to have a pop at those who believe but live this lifestyle, so again, please refrain if you feel tempted to... Thank You..!

It would be interesting to see how many believe.

For my part, i certainly do.."
Let me be first to say yes I believe.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

of course something made the universe, that to us would be comparable to a God. Yes they could indeed even be all knowing.

What is the science alternative? There was absolutely nothing then a big bang?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watch the Stephen Fry interview by Gay Byrne on YouTube.... it's certainty food for thought.

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By *ryst In IsoldeWoman
over a year ago

your imagination

I don't believe in a God in the traditional sense, but I do believe in the soul. Not sure how you reconcile those two, but it's how I've seen the world for over 30 years

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Stephen Fry. lol. The guy who said all traditional medicine was nonsense.

Few years later antibacteria found in Irish traditional medicine able to kill super bugs.

His bias is palpable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't believe in a God in the traditional sense, but I do believe in the soul. Not sure how you reconcile those two, but it's how I've seen the world for over 30 years "

Same!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Exist. God that is.

Now, normally i steer clear of any forum threads that talk about religion, Brexit, politics or socio-religious matters like abortion.

But my reason for this post is to test the correlation between (lack of) faith and this lifestyle.

So please, please, please, if you are tempted to post, resist the urge to lay into the church, Sunday school, priests, Christian Brothers or abuse, etc... this is strictly about whether you believe in the big man or not and not about the administration or religion on Earth.

Its also not a thread to have a pop at those who believe but live this lifestyle, so again, please refrain if you feel tempted to... Thank You..!

It would be interesting to see how many believe.

For my part, i certainly do.."

I do believe in God. Someone can say it doesnt exist, its your imagination. Those who believe dont care. We just know instinctively. Life is full of surprises. We make good or bad decisions. We have a free will to do good or bad things. Its upon us. How do we live? What choices have we made or will do? All depends on us.

We have a power in our hands and minds. Believing that there is someone who takes care of us, can lead us and forgive us what we have done might help. Also, giving us a hope in a hopeless situations that there might be better, we can heal, we can fight to beat a cancer, etc.

We all need a leader who shows us the right path

It really doesnt matter we are Christians, Muslims or Buddists once we find a peace and live as a good people, helping each other.

Did you ever look in the mirror and ask yourself: what have I done to others?

Or you just stand up, look at yourself and complain its everybody's fault but not yours?

Maybe I went too far but its never too late to be a good person and having desires and fantasies its just human being thing. Simple "think before you take any action" should be applied.

No one is perfect but many of us want to be. It isnt something bad having a plan and goals in our lives but we have to remember that we arent alone and need to respect others. Treat them like we want to be treated.

Being kind, nice and helpful cost nothing but definitely might change someone's miserable and tough life. Smile more often, people and stay positive!

Happy weekend

V

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stephen Fry. lol. The guy who said all traditional medicine was nonsense.

Few years later antibacteria found in Irish traditional medicine able to kill super bugs.

His bias is palpable."

I don't believe with everything he says, in the same way we get along with lots of people but don't agree with every view they have. All I'm saying is that his view on "God" is an interesting one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont believe in god or a god like entity.

I used to be one of those people who scoffed at those who did but thankfully I grew out if that.

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By *eralt80Man
over a year ago

cork

I do not believe in a god.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm polythestic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Each to their own, people can believe what they want as long as they don't put it down people's throats. World would be easier if people were more considerate of anything and everything.

Takes nothing to be nice and kind to everyone regardless of faith or views or anything

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"Stephen Fry. lol. The guy who said all traditional medicine was nonsense.

Few years later antibacteria found in Irish traditional medicine able to kill super bugs.

His bias is palpable.

I don't believe with everything he says, in the same way we get along with lots of people but don't agree with every view they have. All I'm saying is that his view on "God" is an interesting one."

Yeah, its interesting glimpse into the mind of someone with his mental health problems. That any God that does not create a living paradise for him is a scumbag. (at least thats what I understood his belief to be).

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stephen Fry. lol. The guy who said all traditional medicine was nonsense.

Few years later antibacteria found in Irish traditional medicine able to kill super bugs.

His bias is palpable.

I don't believe with everything he says, in the same way we get along with lots of people but don't agree with every view they have. All I'm saying is that his view on "God" is an interesting one.

Yeah, its interesting glimpse into the mind of someone with his mental health problems. That any God that does not create a living paradise for him is a scumbag. (at least thats what I understood his belief to be)."

I'm not sure mental health has anything to do with it! 80% of the population has or had at some point mental health issues, anxiety is a mental health problem as are panisc attacks! Its not all about schizophrenia and psychosis.

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By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast


"Exist. God that is.

Now, normally i steer clear of any forum threads that talk about religion, Brexit, politics or socio-religious matters like abortion.

But my reason for this post is to test the correlation between (lack of) faith and this lifestyle.

So please, please, please, if you are tempted to post, resist the urge to lay into the church, Sunday school, priests, Christian Brothers or abuse, etc... this is strictly about whether you believe in the big man or not and not about the administration or religion on Earth.

Its also not a thread to have a pop at those who believe but live this lifestyle, so again, please refrain if you feel tempted to... Thank You..!

It would be interesting to see how many believe.

For my part, i certainly do..

I do believe in God. Someone can say it doesnt exist, its your imagination. Those who believe dont care. We just know instinctively. Life is full of surprises. We make good or bad decisions. We have a free will to do good or bad things. Its upon us. How do we live? What choices have we made or will do? All depends on us.

We have a power in our hands and minds. Believing that there is someone who takes care of us, can lead us and forgive us what we have done might help. Also, giving us a hope in a hopeless situations that there might be better, we can heal, we can fight to beat a cancer, etc.

We all need a leader who shows us the right path

It really doesnt matter we are Christians, Muslims or Buddists once we find a peace and live as a good people, helping each other.

Did you ever look in the mirror and ask yourself: what have I done to others?

Or you just stand up, look at yourself and complain its everybody's fault but not yours?

Maybe I went too far but its never too late to be a good person and having desires and fantasies its just human being thing. Simple "think before you take any action" should be applied.

No one is perfect but many of us want to be. It isnt something bad having a plan and goals in our lives but we have to remember that we arent alone and need to respect others. Treat them like we want to be treated.

Being kind, nice and helpful cost nothing but definitely might change someone's miserable and tough life. Smile more often, people and stay positive!

Happy weekend

V"

You do realise that atheists can live by a strong moral code just as well (better actually) as “Christians Muslims and Buddhists” ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe there is a greater entity. I have certainly cried out for his or her help in times of need. I think most people do. I don’t know who it is but there is someone there I hope. I believe in an afterlife and the soul and I pray that someday I get to meet the people I have loved and lost again. What form all that takes I don’t know, it could be like the story, “Horton hears a Who” for all I know xx

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

I don't believe in God. Stephen Fry is awesome.

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By *oseredWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

Raised in a Catholic family educated by science, and so the conflict began. I don't subscribe to any one religion but can see the comfort people can find there. I do find that the general message of spirituality is a guide to being a good and kind person though. Don't believe the universe was created by the hand of God though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a word no!

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By *eanbelfastMan
over a year ago

Belfast

I am an atheist, thank god

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Higher Power for sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Load of codswallop. Early religion was out of fear of things people didn't understand and then catholicism was basically a means of control for the roman empire. But to each their own. Believe what you want. Won't begrudge people that do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aliens

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

I know I shouldn't, but I just can't help thinking a little less of people who believe in invisible supernatural beings/gods. Sorry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

.......

Being kind, nice and helpful cost nothing but definitely might change someone's miserable and tough life. Smile more often, people and stay positive! ....

Beautiful. Very well put!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sur dudnt Cain n Able swing with Eve? Maybe the christians have it spot on!

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"I'm not sure mental health has anything to do with it! 80% of the population has or had at some point mental health issues, anxiety is a mental health problem as are panisc attacks! Its not all about schizophrenia and psychosis."

80% of the population has attempted suicide? Lets not downplay his mental health problems to something everyone has dealt with. Severe depression, eating disorders and suicide attempts. Admitted after the interview that he was still suffering manic depression.

Then you hear him talk about god with anger in his voice, how god is a scumbag for letting a single child suffer, for not giving him a happy world.

80% of people suffering mental health problems could explain why he is so popular. He is articulate, and him being able to articulate the opinions and fears in him, in a way others who have suffered mental health problems can feel is truthful and representative of how they feel would be nice for them.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


".......

Being kind, nice and helpful cost nothing but definitely might change someone's miserable and tough life. Smile more often, people and stay positive! ....

Beautiful. Very well put! "

I'm not sure what smiling, being kind, nice, and helpful, has to do with believing in a god/gods. People with no supernatural beliefs can be those things too!

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

I don't believe in God nor am I a follower of any religion. However I believe in contemporary spirituality.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"I'm not sure what smiling, being kind, nice, and helpful, has to do with believing in a god/gods. People with no supernatural beliefs can be those things too! "

God can exist within the natural laws of the universe. Some of the powers would just be termed spooky by us, like quantum entanglement at a distance.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"I'm not sure what smiling, being kind, nice, and helpful, has to do with believing in a god/gods. People with no supernatural beliefs can be those things too!

God can exist within the natural laws of the universe. Some of the powers would just be termed spooky by us, like quantum entanglement at a distance."

Nonsense. Quantum entanglement can be tested and proved experimentally, you can SEE it happen if you have the right equipment. It's not supernatural. There are loads of different gods for different religions. None of which can be proven to exist experimentally. All of which rely on their own set of beliefs. Most of which conflict with each other.

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By *asterIrelandMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

I personally don't believe. I have my reasons... However... If there were no religions, they should be invented... Which is wany mankind has done in the last 2000y...

(to be clear, i have respect for the belivers)

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"I'm not sure what smiling, being kind, nice, and helpful, has to do with believing in a god/gods. People with no supernatural beliefs can be those things too!

God can exist within the natural laws of the universe. Some of the powers would just be termed spooky by us, like quantum entanglement at a distance.

Nonsense. Quantum entanglement can be tested and proved experimentally, you can SEE it happen if you have the right equipment. It's not supernatural. There are loads of different gods for different religions. None of which can be proven to exist experimentally. All of which rely on their own set of beliefs. Most of which conflict with each other. "

Thats what I said, quantum entanglement is not supernatural, and of course we can test for Gods powers, what power specifically can we not test for or not present a scientific reason for?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"I'm not sure what smiling, being kind, nice, and helpful, has to do with believing in a god/gods. People with no supernatural beliefs can be those things too!

God can exist within the natural laws of the universe. Some of the powers would just be termed spooky by us, like quantum entanglement at a distance.

Nonsense. Quantum entanglement can be tested and proved experimentally, you can SEE it happen if you have the right equipment. It's not supernatural. There are loads of different gods for different religions. None of which can be proven to exist experimentally. All of which rely on their own set of beliefs. Most of which conflict with each other.

Thats what I said, quantum entanglement is not supernatural, and of course we can test for Gods powers, what power specifically can we not test for or not present a scientific reason for?"

OK I'll bite. How can one test for the existance of the powers of a particular god.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And.... which one? I vote Thor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mental health is not just about attempting or completing suicide!!!

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"And.... which one? I vote Thor. "

Yeah if I ever decided to believe in a god it would probably be Thor. He's badass. None of this floating about in a cloud nonsense. Plus he has the best weaponry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed, nothing says supernatural deity like a big feckin’ hammer. Though, Neptune and the trident are not to be scoffed at...

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"OK I'll bite. How can one test for the existance of the powers of a particular god. "

Quite easy. For example, lets say God knows what will happen next. Can we have a scientific reason for how this could be.

Yes. If we drop a stone in a pool of liquid and we observe and watch the ripples, and we then do it again, excat same stone, exact same body of liquid and we drop it again, we can predict what waves will happen. With a super computer we can predict what will happen every atom of water in the container of liquid.

Now supposes this is not the first big bang, its repeating over and over according to the theory of stephen hawkings. This would mean that anyone who has seen a big bang happen to its end, can predict what will happen in the next. You can also say that if every single atom was placed in exactly the same position, and the big bang happend exactly the same situation as before. Then this line of existence would already have been observed. I would have written this post, and every single atom in the universe would have acted in exactly the same way as before.

And like quantum entanglement, for some powers we might not understand them, as no one on the planet knows how quantum entanglement works. We could just observe the result of the power, so we can change one and see the other change instantly. We dont need to see the "how" to say it is sound, we just have to observe the outcome.

For example turning water into wine. We don't need to know how it was done, we just need to scientifically observe it happening to sign off on it as being true.

For a God like entity to be able to read your mind all they would need to do is be able to see the electricity travel through your brain and have an advanced understanding of what it all meant.

They are just some ways an entity could have god like powers while still staying within the rules of the natural world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But my reason for this post is to test the correlation between (lack of) faith and this lifestyle.

So far i have yet to read an relationship between a lack of faith & this lifestyle...suffice to say we like what we like, god or no god

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

What a brilliantly incoherent pseudo-scientific rant of half understood concepts and misattributed ideas. Dropping something in a puddle can prove a God exists? Wow

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By *upidsbowkissWoman
over a year ago

City Center

I don't believe in God

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By *ysteryman2009Man
over a year ago

Ireland


"I don't believe in God nor am I a follower of any religion. However I believe in contemporary spirituality. "

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By *vpamelaTV/TS
over a year ago

kinkville

Cold blooded atheist here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Exist. God that is.

Now, normally i steer clear of any forum threads that talk about religion, Brexit, politics or socio-religious matters like abortion.

But my reason for this post is to test the correlation between (lack of) faith and this lifestyle.

So please, please, please, if you are tempted to post, resist the urge to lay into the church, Sunday school, priests, Christian Brothers or abuse, etc... this is strictly about whether you believe in the big man or not and not about the administration or religion on Earth.

Its also not a thread to have a pop at those who believe but live this lifestyle, so again, please refrain if you feel tempted to... Thank You..!

It would be interesting to see how many believe.

For my part, i certainly do..

I do believe in God. Someone can say it doesnt exist, its your imagination. Those who believe dont care. We just know instinctively. Life is full of surprises. We make good or bad decisions. We have a free will to do good or bad things. Its upon us. How do we live? What choices have we made or will do? All depends on us.

We have a power in our hands and minds. Believing that there is someone who takes care of us, can lead us and forgive us what we have done might help. Also, giving us a hope in a hopeless situations that there might be better, we can heal, we can fight to beat a cancer, etc.

We all need a leader who shows us the right path

It really doesnt matter we are Christians, Muslims or Buddists once we find a peace and live as a good people, helping each other.

Did you ever look in the mirror and ask yourself: what have I done to others?

Or you just stand up, look at yourself and complain its everybody's fault but not yours?

Maybe I went too far but its never too late to be a good person and having desires and fantasies its just human being thing. Simple "think before you take any action" should be applied.

No one is perfect but many of us want to be. It isnt something bad having a plan and goals in our lives but we have to remember that we arent alone and need to respect others. Treat them like we want to be treated.

Being kind, nice and helpful cost nothing but definitely might change someone's miserable and tough life. Smile more often, people and stay positive!

Happy weekend

V

You do realise that atheists can live by a strong moral code just as well (better actually) as “Christians Muslims and Buddhists” ?"

My dear of course! Etc.... Its continuing as i didnt mention others it didnt mean there is bo respect

Namaste

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"What a brilliantly incoherent pseudo-scientific rant of half understood concepts and misattributed ideas. Dropping something in a puddle can prove a God exists? Wow"

Observing quantum entanglement proves it though?

You observe something, you come up with a theory to explain that observation.

Some things have no theory to explain the observation, like quantum entanglement, others do like gravity.

If you observe an entity that knows what will happen next, you propose a theory as to how this can happen, You then test that theory. Not having a theory to explain the observation does not mean the observation did not happen. It still happened.

This is why things like schrodingers cat thought experiments are in science, so that when we can not observe something, we must assume all outcomes are possible.

You tell me one of gods powers, as if you observed it directly with your eyes, and I will give you a theory as to how it happened within the realms of the natural world. That is what you asked me to do, and then you disregard my theory because you never observed god using the power. So why ask then?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

The problem here is that there is nothing to observe. If a God does exist then he/she/it doesn't actually DO anything, so your ideas about how to test following an observation is moot.

(In my original question I was looking for an actual way of testing existence rather than an existential theory of how a theoretical observed superpower of a god might be explained without the use of the supernatural)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reckon a lot of the nonbelievers would be the first to seek help from God if some tragedy came to there door.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"I reckon a lot of the nonbelievers would be the first to seek help from God if some tragedy came to there door. "

Yes I'm sure. People will cling to any kind of belief that offers hope once medicine hasn't got anything else to offer. For many it might be homeopathy or organics, some turn to drugs or sex, for others it might be meditation, for others they might look to the Christian god, or maybe the hindu one. Others find the buddist ideas of reincarnation comforting. Doesn't mean any of the gods are actually real.

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

I don't believe in a separate all powerful being who resides in the sky and looks down judging everything we do.

When you look into quantum mechanics you discover that all matter in the universe, on a quantum level, is vibrating energy.

You, me, and everything in the universe are just energy.

Energy can't be created or destroyed, just transferred or changed from one form to the other (first law of thermodynamics).

So in that sense, we may well be around forever and have always been around in some form or another.

But then you have the question of consciousness. Well, your guess is as good as mine but I believe that we are essentially a way for the universe to know and experience itself.

It's like the tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it, how can the universe exist if there's nothing there to experience it?

And if this is the case, then our experiences are individual expressions, thoughts and dreams of the one collective consciousness of the universe, or God.

So yes, in my opinion not only does 'God' exist, but we are all God.

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By *affa31Woman
over a year ago

Galway


"Exist. God that is.

Now, normally i steer clear of any forum threads that talk about religion, Brexit, politics or socio-religious matters like abortion.

But my reason for this post is to test the correlation between (lack of) faith and this lifestyle.

So please, please, please, if you are tempted to post, resist the urge to lay into the church, Sunday school, priests, Christian Brothers or abuse, etc... this is strictly about whether you believe in the big man or not and not about the administration or religion on Earth.

Its also not a thread to have a pop at those who believe but live this lifestyle, so again, please refrain if you feel tempted to... Thank You..!

It would be interesting to see how many believe.

For my part, i certainly do.."

Nope

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By *iablo73Couple
over a year ago

Southside

"God" what a load of rubbish. Did God create the 3.5 million year old scul that was in the news recently ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jasus. Think I need a drink after that. Or maybe a brisk walk for us all individually would be better.

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By *hors.HammerMan
over a year ago

Newbridge

I'm my own God I worship myself .

As for that imaginary friend in the sky with his hippy dippy son.

No I don't believe in imaginary friends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe in any god. I believe in developing one's own moral code based on understanding that all of our actions have consequences, not just for ourselves, but for others.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"I don't believe in a separate all powerful being who resides in the sky and looks down judging everything we do.

When you look into quantum mechanics you discover that all matter in the universe, on a quantum level, is vibrating energy.

You, me, and everything in the universe are just energy.

Energy can't be created or destroyed, just transferred or changed from one form to the other (first law of thermodynamics).

So in that sense, we may well be around forever and have always been around in some form or another.

But then you have the question of consciousness. Well, your guess is as good as mine but I believe that we are essentially a way for the universe to know and experience itself.

It's like the tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it, how can the universe exist if there's nothing there to experience it?

And if this is the case, then our experiences are individual expressions, thoughts and dreams of the one collective consciousness of the universe, or God.

So yes, in my opinion not only does 'God' exist, but we are all God."

I like this. In a símilar vein (and to quote the the very rev fatboy slim) we are all made of stars. Literally. The atoms that make up our bodies were once part of stars, which exploded in ancient times and was scattered across the universe. We are godlike in that sense

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By *eavier than HeavenMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"Load of codswallop. Early religion was out of fear of things people didn't understand and then catholicism was basically a means of control for the roman empire. But to each their own. Believe what you want. Won't begrudge people that do. "

This 100%

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By *eavier than HeavenMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"I reckon a lot of the nonbelievers would be the first to seek help from God if some tragedy came to there door. "

Nope, I've not once.

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast


"I reckon a lot of the nonbelievers would be the first to seek help from God if some tragedy came to there door. "

Non believers tend to learn to deal with their problems without blaming the invisible man in the sky for "his mysterious ways", nor asking him for invisible help.

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

South Side.

I am God... So are you... And you.... And him... And her...

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By *ublinGirl92Woman
over a year ago

Hell

I dont believe in any god or god like idea. Theres a lot that isn't answered by science yet but I believe it will be and I'm comfortable not knowing yet. I dont feel the need to fill in the blanks with nonsense.

I try not to judge people who do believe just because I cant understand how they could but I have a massive issue with people who use god as an excuse for their bullshit behaviour.

Stephen Fry is one of my favourite people ever btw.

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By *ublinGirl92Woman
over a year ago

Hell

Honestly though, this thread makes me wish that when you block someone you couldn't see them on forums anymore. Pain in my tits seeing the same twat here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I believe in God but I don't believe its a him it could be a her or an it but I just believe in A God if that make sense.

if you look up some near death experiences most if not all see a dark tunnel or even standing in the tunnel with a bright light at the end. I believe thats when you meet a God.

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

Here's a thought.

Ignore all religion.

Forget about Bible/Koran/ any book.

Burn them and say that there is no higher being/lower being or God/Devil.

Everyone is equal and there is no belief system.

Guess what happens?

No war, no arms trade, genuine politics, real issues dealt with, regardless of social class or beliefs.

What a weird, wonderful world it would be if everyone lived for today, without any religion, of any kind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a thought.

Ignore all religion.

Forget about Bible/Koran/ any book.

Burn them and say that there is no higher being/lower being or God/Devil.

Everyone is equal and there is no belief system.

Guess what happens?

No war, no arms trade, genuine politics, real issues dealt with, regardless of social class or beliefs.

What a weird, wonderful world it would be if everyone lived for today, without any religion, of any kind"

I wish that were true but the reality is religious zealotry is usually just a foil for trying to legitimize war. Money, power, land grabs, oil, historic grudges etc are usually the real reason. Most religions whether you are a believer or not are based on kindness and compassion but people have seen opportunity to take bits from the different teachings, de-contextualise them and use them to support their own agenda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the Dawkin's scale I am a 6, god cannot be disproved (currently), so logically I have to admit that there is the tiniest possibility that God exists. But that chance is miniscule, the only thing that the existance of our universe exists proves is that our universe exists, to say that we don't know how it came about so God, is intellectually bankrupt, God of the gaps. There is No evidence for a god, and to say that everything needs a creator so there must be a god, then who created god?

So, I am a defacto atheist, there is no god, religions are nothing more than Iron age superstitions

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"Here's a thought.

Ignore all religion.

Forget about Bible/Koran/ any book.

Burn them and say that there is no higher being/lower being or God/Devil.

Everyone is equal and there is no belief system.

Guess what happens?

No war, no arms trade, genuine politics, real issues dealt with, regardless of social class or beliefs.

What a weird, wonderful world it would be if everyone lived for today, without any religion, of any kind"

Unfortunately enforcing this level of nonbelief would be a rather destructive operation. Best to let everyone on with their beliefs (no matter how wacky). Just judge them quietly to yourself, that's what I do most of the time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK I'll bite. How can one test for the existance of the powers of a particular god.

Quite easy. For example, lets say God knows what will happen next. Can we have a scientific reason for how this could be.

Yes. If we drop a stone in a pool of liquid and we observe and watch the ripples, and we then do it again, excat same stone, exact same body of liquid and we drop it again, we can predict what waves will happen. With a super computer we can predict what will happen every atom of water in the container of liquid.

Now supposes this is not the first big bang, its repeating over and over according to the theory of stephen hawkings. This would mean that anyone who has seen a big bang happen to its end, can predict what will happen in the next. You can also say that if every single atom was placed in exactly the same position, and the big bang happend exactly the same situation as before. Then this line of existence would already have been observed. I would have written this post, and every single atom in the universe would have acted in exactly the same way as before.

And like quantum entanglement, for some powers we might not understand them, as no one on the planet knows how quantum entanglement works. We could just observe the result of the power, so we can change one and see the other change instantly. We dont need to see the "how" to say it is sound, we just have to observe the outcome.

For example turning water into wine. We don't need to know how it was done, we just need to scientifically observe it happening to sign off on it as being true.

For a God like entity to be able to read your mind all they would need to do is be able to see the electricity travel through your brain and have an advanced understanding of what it all meant.

They are just some ways an entity could have god like powers while still staying within the rules of the natural world."

What utter nonsense.. You say that god is all knowing because he has seen it before, but your theory assumes that there have been other big bangs, for which there is no evidence. Also, if we follow your logic, the fist time your God observed this universe he did not know what was going to happen and was therefor not all knowing. Your theory, like all "proof" for the existance of God relies on just making shit up

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By *eeperscreepersMan
over a year ago

Tipp


"I don't believe in a God in the traditional sense, but I do believe in the soul. "

Pretty much my thoughts exactly

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By *ublinGirl92Woman
over a year ago

Hell


"OK I'll bite. How can one test for the existance of the powers of a particular god.

Quite easy. For example, lets say God knows what will happen next. Can we have a scientific reason for how this could be.

Yes. If we drop a stone in a pool of liquid and we observe and watch the ripples, and we then do it again, excat same stone, exact same body of liquid and we drop it again, we can predict what waves will happen. With a super computer we can predict what will happen every atom of water in the container of liquid.

Now supposes this is not the first big bang, its repeating over and over according to the theory of stephen hawkings. This would mean that anyone who has seen a big bang happen to its end, can predict what will happen in the next. You can also say that if every single atom was placed in exactly the same position, and the big bang happend exactly the same situation as before. Then this line of existence would already have been observed. I would have written this post, and every single atom in the universe would have acted in exactly the same way as before.

And like quantum entanglement, for some powers we might not understand them, as no one on the planet knows how quantum entanglement works. We could just observe the result of the power, so we can change one and see the other change instantly. We dont need to see the "how" to say it is sound, we just have to observe the outcome.

For example turning water into wine. We don't need to know how it was done, we just need to scientifically observe it happening to sign off on it as being true.

For a God like entity to be able to read your mind all they would need to do is be able to see the electricity travel through your brain and have an advanced understanding of what it all meant.

They are just some ways an entity could have god like powers while still staying within the rules of the natural world.

What utter nonsense.. You say that god is all knowing because he has seen it before, but your theory assumes that there have been other big bangs, for which there is no evidence. Also, if we follow your logic, the fist time your God observed this universe he did not know what was going to happen and was therefor not all knowing. Your theory, like all "proof" for the existance of God relies on just making shit up "

Yes!!!

My eyes nearly got stuck in the back of my head from rolling them so hard reading that crap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a thought.

Ignore all religion.

Forget about Bible/Koran/ any book.

Burn them and say that there is no higher being/lower being or God/Devil.

Everyone is equal and there is no belief system.

Guess what happens?

No war, no arms trade, genuine politics, real issues dealt with, regardless of social class or beliefs.

What a weird, wonderful world it would be if everyone lived for today, without any religion, of any kind

I wish that were true but the reality is religious zealotry is usually just a foil for trying to legitimize war. Money, power, land grabs, oil, historic grudges etc are usually the real reason. Most religions whether you are a believer or not are based on kindness and compassion but people have seen opportunity to take bits from the different teachings, de-contextualise them and use them to support their own agenda."

Human nature is the problem, not religion per se.

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By *ongueandgroove555Couple
over a year ago

Waterford

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By *ongueandgroove555Couple
over a year ago

Waterford


"I reckon a lot of the nonbelievers would be the first to seek help from God if some tragedy came to there door. "

Work in a hospital.and you see this ever day !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a thought.

Ignore all religion.

Forget about Bible/Koran/ any book.

Burn them and say that there is no higher being/lower being or God/Devil.

Everyone is equal and there is no belief system.

Guess what happens?

No war, no arms trade, genuine politics, real issues dealt with, regardless of social class or beliefs.

What a weird, wonderful world it would be if everyone lived for today, without any religion, of any kind

I wish that were true but the reality is religious zealotry is usually just a foil for trying to legitimize war. Money, power, land grabs, oil, historic grudges etc are usually the real reason. Most religions whether you are a believer or not are based on kindness and compassion but people have seen opportunity to take bits from the different teachings, de-contextualise them and use them to support their own agenda.

Human nature is the problem, not religion per se. "

Shit I never realised all those animals that fight, maim and kill each other to be leader of the pack, for territory or the jucist part of the deer all went to church on Sundays

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Some people sat through a lecture about black holes before they were observed.

A theory that they could exist.

People got up and walked out, calling it nonsense, that they would believe it when they seen it. These people who walked out called themselves scientists.

Eventually we finally observed them.

The world is still full of people that will get up and walk out when hearing new ideas. Who will shout them down, who have no imagination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people sat through a lecture about black holes before they were observed.

A theory that they could exist.

People got up and walked out, calling it nonsense, that they would believe it when they seen it. These people who walked out called themselves scientists.

Eventually we finally observed them.

The world is still full of people that will get up and walk out when hearing new ideas. Who will shout them down, who have no imagination."

Black holes were predicted by mathematics and astro physics, testable, repeatable science. Your god is predicted by nothing but superstition and blind faith, to conflate the two is nothing short of idiotic

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By *hors.HammerMan
over a year ago

Newbridge

There's a few goddesses on fab I'd worship at their alter

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"Some people sat through a lecture about black holes before they were observed.

A theory that they could exist.

People got up and walked out, calling it nonsense, that they would believe it when they seen it. These people who walked out called themselves scientists.

Eventually we finally observed them.

The world is still full of people that will get up and walk out when hearing new ideas. Who will shout them down, who have no imagination."

Yeah I saw that move too. Eddie Redmayne is a great Stephen Hawking. Using that as evidance for gods existence is a bit silly though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe, but I'm a good person. The two don't go hand in hand.

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